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Post by fixit on Apr 14, 2020 21:12:38 GMT -5
Wow that is harsh . Just watched Trump stumble through another briefing 2 hours long . Stopped after 20 minutes Does he exist ? Whoa hang on USA . Good question. He's like a bad dream. I hope when this is over the analysis will prove to his base that it would be a bad idea to re-elect him. I hope the Republican party wakes up before he does irreparable damage to the party. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 14, 2020 21:15:21 GMT -5
They may have only a mild version of it and not show many or any symptoms at all but there is no way of knowing whether you will have the mild version or the fatal version. Are there different versions? The British PM had a mild infection for a couple of weeks then ended up on a ventilator and it could have gone either way. |
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Post by joanna on Apr 14, 2020 23:30:15 GMT -5
How is everyone here coping....? Sourcing the insights of great, progressive thinkers  Yuval Noah Harari is the author of Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind"Harari is a vegan, and says this resulted from his research, including his view that the foundation of the dairy industry is breaking the bond between mother cow and calf." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuval_Noah_Harari |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 15, 2020 1:14:18 GMT -5
I was aware what you meant by the "bigger picture" as be our economic future.
But this is already hurting everyone economically now.
So, I see the "bigger picture" as we should be concentrating on is what is happening to a huge number of people right now.
23,000 people has died within a few months from just one disease.
If we don't to slow it down there will be many thousand more.
We have nothing to fight this virus, -no anti-viral medication, -no antidote, -the only weapon that we have is to try to contain the spread of the virus.
But since it is a respiratory virus it is more easily spread than many contagious diseases because -guess what? We all have to breath!
As to economics -we already have a economic disaster.
Millions of people are out of work, -often those who were already on the edge of surviving.
Now many have to rely on food banks to even survive.
So yes, -I understand concern for the financial future, -but unless we do what we can now, there won't be a future for many people. They will be dead.
That's cool, I understand your focus on the immediate concern and danger.
I just think there's been an over-reaction by essentially shutting down the entire nation (world). The World Health Organization has determined that the flu kills between 250,000 to 500,000 people each year. About 10% of U.S. residents get influenza each year. About 100,000 are hospitalized and 36,000 Americans die each year from the complications of the flu. COVID19 world death count is 123,348, less than half of what the flu kills. The USA death count is 24,480.... So to date, the regular flu has been more fatal than the corona virus.
Are you not listening to the news concerning this virus's or is it that you do not believe the news is ccurate?
Do you believe that the worldwide information that we are receiving is being inflated?
If you believe that that information is inaccurate and for some reason it is being inflated, -do you have any ideas as to why that would happen and who or what would be behind such misinformation?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 15, 2020 7:48:23 GMT -5
So I usually have a song pop into my mind for events in life however I chose a movie for Trump & Including Pence now .
It’s Dumb and Dumber .
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Post by Lee on Apr 15, 2020 8:56:11 GMT -5
"Making an utter fool of himself"..... Your hyperbole and polar default has been noted.
Time and time again Trump has used "hyperbole" himself along with is outright "untruths!"
Such on March 6, Trump said, "Anybody who needs a test, gets a test.
And the tests are "beautiful."
That was not true at that time nor is it true yet today!His heart was in the right place. I have questions about testing. The tests that are being done .... are they 100 percent accurate and 100 percent selective of the virus were reacting too? And why is testing not available for everyone today. Too much hassle? Too much social gathering? Too expensive? I should prowl around the internet for a couple hours for some answers. |
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Post by Lee on Apr 15, 2020 9:01:22 GMT -5
"Making an utter fool of himself"..... Your hyperbole and polar default has been noted. Have you listened to Trump's press conferences on COVID-19 lately? It's flimflammery. Given the media's derangement, he and Pence and everyone are doing a great job. China would have liked nothing more than to exploit our divisions during this crisis. |
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Post by iam on Apr 15, 2020 10:09:21 GMT -5
They may have only a mild version of it and not show many or any symptoms at all but there is no way of knowing whether you will have the mild version or the fatal version. Are there different versions? The British PM had a mild infection for a couple of weeks then ended up on a ventilator and it could have gone either way. No he didn’t end up on a ventilator. The closest he got was going into ICU so they could keep a closer eye on him. He only received oxygen. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 15, 2020 11:44:12 GMT -5
Are there different versions? The British PM had a mild infection for a couple of weeks then ended up on a ventilator and it could have gone either way. No he didn’t end up on a ventilator. The closest he got was going into ICU so they could keep a closer eye on him. He only received oxygen.
! So that was it!
I wondered how he could have been on a ventilator and yet got out of the hospital so soon. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 15, 2020 12:02:14 GMT -5
There are times when one just has to say it like it is!
Time and time again Trump has used "hyperbole" himself along with is outright "untruths!"
Such on March 6, Trump said, "Anybody who needs a test, gets a test.
And the tests are "beautiful."
That was not true at that time nor is it true yet today! His heart was in the right place. I have questions about testing. The tests that are being done .... are they 100 percent accurate and 100 percent selective of the virus were reacting too? And why is testing not available for everyone today. Too much hassle? Too much social gathering? Too expensive? I should prowl around the internet for a couple hours for some answers.
It is a new virus.
It takes while in a lab to even identify something so new.
Then it takes more time develop testing when something that new comes along.
Then it takes probably even a longer time to make it available to EVERYONE.
Probably the biggest factor is Trump had cut funding for the Center for Disease Control & fired all the knowledgeable scientists in the pandemic division.
(you know, -after all, Trump was just keeping his campaine promise and "draining the swamp")
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Post by snow on Apr 15, 2020 12:29:59 GMT -5
Well the US just had a particularly deadly last 12 hours. This morning the number infected was 588,465 and tonight it's 613,866. Deaths this morning were 23,711 and tonight they are 26,042. 2,331 people died of covid-19 in the States since this morning. To put that in a worldwide perspective 4810 died of the virus worldwide, and 2,331 of them were in the states. Almost half of those who died today came from the States and 2,479 was the total for the rest of the world. But people still are circulating their 'opinion' that it's exaggerated. It's happening in Canada too, but not quite as many are doing it. Canada had a deadly day too. 25,680 infected this morning and 27,063 tonight. 780 deaths this morning and tonight 903. 123 since this morning. So I do not understand why some people are not taking this seriously. Just read about a church in Mississippi that decided that they would take their church to assemble in their local Walmart store. They were protesting that they couldn't meet in their church. They obviously don't care about getting the virus or giving the virus. All they care about is their freedom of religion. Are people really this uneducated? Or are they really this uncaring? faith runs deep in some people regardless that Jesus said there would be trials, trouble and tribulation... Then why doesn't it allow them to believe that he will still love them even if they can't make it to church in a time when staying away can prevent a lot of pain and suffering among his people? I don't get that. God is supposed to be within us, nothing we can do will get us saved, so why wouldn't it be just the same to have a personal one on one relationship at home with him or in an on line service as going to church? This isn't about God or worshiping for these people, this about their belief that their religious rights have been taken away. That's all they care about imo. |
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Post by snow on Apr 15, 2020 12:33:24 GMT -5
They may have only a mild version of it and not show many or any symptoms at all but there is no way of knowing whether you will have the mild version or the fatal version. Are there different versions? The British PM had a mild infection for a couple of weeks then ended up on a ventilator and it could have gone either way. There are 2 different strains that I have heard about. Here is an article that explains it better than I can. www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/ |
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Post by snow on Apr 15, 2020 12:35:17 GMT -5
There are times when one just has to say it like it is!
Time and time again Trump has used "hyperbole" himself along with is outright "untruths!"
Such on March 6, Trump said, "Anybody who needs a test, gets a test.
And the tests are "beautiful."
That was not true at that time nor is it true yet today! His heart was in the right place. I have questions about testing. The tests that are being done .... are they 100 percent accurate and 100 percent selective of the virus were reacting too? And why is testing not available for everyone today. Too much hassle? Too much social gathering? Too expensive? I should prowl around the internet for a couple hours for some answers. You are not being tested because your country doesn't have enough test kits. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 15, 2020 13:55:57 GMT -5
Are there different versions? The British PM had a mild infection for a couple of weeks then ended up on a ventilator and it could have gone either way. No he didn’t end up on a ventilator. The closest he got was going into ICU so they could keep a closer eye on him. He only received oxygen. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said it "could have gone either way" as he thanked healthcare workers for saving his life after being discharged from hospital. www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-52262012 |
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Post by iam on Apr 15, 2020 14:01:10 GMT -5
No he didn’t end up on a ventilator. The closest he got was going into ICU so they could keep a closer eye on him. He only received oxygen. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said it "could have gone either way" as he thanked healthcare workers for saving his life after being discharged from hospital. www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-52262012No doubt it could have |
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Post by iam on Apr 15, 2020 14:04:30 GMT -5
Who else is cutting their own or their husband’s or others hair during the isolation? Had a worker give me tips some years ago for cutting men’s hair and it’s been a lifesaver...for my husband.
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Post by fixit on Apr 15, 2020 14:11:32 GMT -5
His heart was in the right place. I have questions about testing. The tests that are being done .... are they 100 percent accurate and 100 percent selective of the virus were reacting too? And why is testing not available for everyone today. Too much hassle? Too much social gathering? Too expensive? I should prowl around the internet for a couple hours for some answers. You are not being tested because your country doesn't have enough test kits. The president who said he'd make America great again didn't care enough about his people to provide adequate testing. The fact that they're not testing the deceased tells me America really has not much idea at all about who is carrying COVID-19 and who is not. NEW YORK (Reuters) - The daily tally of New York City residents who died at home with coronavirus-like symptoms exploded from 45 on March 20 to 241 on April 5, according to Fire Department of New York data - suggesting the city may be significantly undercounting COVID-19 deaths. Asked about the fire department numbers at a press conference Tuesday, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio acknowledged that deaths at home haven’t been fully accounted for. “It’s right to assume the vast majority are coronavirus related,” he said. “And that makes it even more sober in the sense of how many people we are losing, how many families are suffering, how real this crisis is.” www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fdny/at-home-covid-19-deaths-may-be-significantly-undercounted-in-new-york-city-idUSKBN21P3KF |
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Post by snow on Apr 15, 2020 14:20:06 GMT -5
You are not being tested because your country doesn't have enough test kits. The president who said he'd make America great again didn't care enough about his people to provide adequate testing. The fact that they're not testing the deceased tells me America really has not much idea at all about who is carrying COVID-19 and who is not. NEW YORK (Reuters) - The daily tally of New York City residents who died at home with coronavirus-like symptoms exploded from 45 on March 20 to 241 on April 5, according to Fire Department of New York data - suggesting the city may be significantly undercounting COVID-19 deaths. Asked about the fire department numbers at a press conference Tuesday, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio acknowledged that deaths at home haven’t been fully accounted for. “It’s right to assume the vast majority are coronavirus related,” he said. “And that makes it even more sober in the sense of how many people we are losing, how many families are suffering, how real this crisis is.” www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fdny/at-home-covid-19-deaths-may-be-significantly-undercounted-in-new-york-city-idUSKBN21P3KFYes I read that. What really concerns me is the amount of people that think this virus is just an exaggerated flu. I don't think many people know that it isn't just the lungs that are a concern, but also the kidneys and liver shuts down and there can be damage to the heart. Anyone that survives that's been on a ventilator will also have had it bad enough to see permanent damage to the lungs. It's not 'just the flu'. But the conspiracy theorists that think it's just the government trying to see how much they can control us are spreading this message around saying the government is lying to us, that there aren't hundreds of thousands dead or millions infected. And people are believing them and continuing the spread of this misinformation on social media. If people don't take it serious they will be careless and all it takes is exposure. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 15, 2020 14:25:23 GMT -5
The president who said he'd make America great again didn't care enough about his people to provide adequate testing. The fact that they're not testing the deceased tells me America really has not much idea at all about who is carrying COVID-19 and who is not. NEW YORK (Reuters) - The daily tally of New York City residents who died at home with coronavirus-like symptoms exploded from 45 on March 20 to 241 on April 5, according to Fire Department of New York data - suggesting the city may be significantly undercounting COVID-19 deaths. Asked about the fire department numbers at a press conference Tuesday, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio acknowledged that deaths at home haven’t been fully accounted for. “It’s right to assume the vast majority are coronavirus related,” he said. “And that makes it even more sober in the sense of how many people we are losing, how many families are suffering, how real this crisis is.” www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fdny/at-home-covid-19-deaths-may-be-significantly-undercounted-in-new-york-city-idUSKBN21P3KFYes I read that. What really concerns me is the amount of people that think this virus is just an exaggerated flu. I don't think many people know that it isn't just the lungs that are a concern, but also the kidneys and liver shuts down and there can be damage to the heart. Anyone that survives that's been on a ventilator will also have had it bad enough to see permanent damage to the lungs. It's not 'just the flu'. But the conspiracy theorists that think it's just the government trying to see how much they can control us are spreading this message around saying the government is lying to us, that there aren't hundreds of thousands dead or millions infected. And people are believing them and continuing the spread of this misinformation on social media. If people don't take it serious they will be careless and all it takes is exposure. Stupid has always been dangerous. That is evident as one looks back through history at other pandemics. The video of the stupids going into Walmart is good evidence. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 15, 2020 14:32:24 GMT -5
The president who said he'd make America great again didn't care enough about his people to provide adequate testing. The fact that they're not testing the deceased tells me America really has not much idea at all about who is carrying COVID-19 and who is not. NEW YORK (Reuters) - The daily tally of New York City residents who died at home with coronavirus-like symptoms exploded from 45 on March 20 to 241 on April 5, according to Fire Department of New York data - suggesting the city may be significantly undercounting COVID-19 deaths. Asked about the fire department numbers at a press conference Tuesday, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio acknowledged that deaths at home haven’t been fully accounted for. “It’s right to assume the vast majority are coronavirus related,” he said. “And that makes it even more sober in the sense of how many people we are losing, how many families are suffering, how real this crisis is.” www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fdny/at-home-covid-19-deaths-may-be-significantly-undercounted-in-new-york-city-idUSKBN21P3KFYes I read that. What really concerns me is the amount of people that think this virus is just an exaggerated flu. I don't think many people know that it isn't just the lungs that are a concern, but also the kidneys and liver shuts down and there can be damage to the heart. Anyone that survives that's been on a ventilator will also have had it bad enough to see permanent damage to the lungs. It's not 'just the flu'. But the conspiracy theorists that think it's just the government trying to see how much they can control us are spreading this message around saying the government is lying to us, that there aren't hundreds of thousands dead or millions infected. And people are believing them and continuing the spread of this misinformation on social media. If people don't take it serious they will be careless and all it takes is exposure. If they don't know who is dying with COVID-19 they won't know who is walking around with it. First world countries can do better than that, especially the richest of them all. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 15, 2020 14:41:41 GMT -5
Have you listened to Trump's press conferences on COVID-19 lately? It's flimflammery. Given the media's derangement, he and Pence and everyone are doing a great job. China would have liked nothing more than to exploit our divisions during this crisis. Think about it Lee. The US is China's biggest trading partner. When the US hurts, China hurts. |
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Post by nathan on Apr 15, 2020 18:55:30 GMT -5
Given the media's derangement, he and Pence and everyone are doing a great job. China would have liked nothing more than to exploit our divisions during this crisis. Think about it Lee. The US is China's biggest trading partner. When the US hurts, China hurts.
The market crashed 10,000 points, many people lost a lot of money in the stock market, but the big boys knew ahead of them so they sold it, and they wait it to came down at a low price they jumped back in and buy it. Those who lost most of the stocks didn't have the money to buy at the low price.
The market crashed during 9/11... They knew it was coming and they sold their stocks.... millions of people lost a lot of money during that crisis too.
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Post by Lee on Apr 15, 2020 19:01:41 GMT -5
Think about it Fixit.
If USA imploded economically, politically, or both, the CCP would have nothing to lose agressing (who would they be trading with then).
From a political standpoint, they'd be stupid not to pluck the low hanging fruit.
Think about a world where the CCP has no barriers or enemies ... the glory it could bring them.
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Post by Lee on Apr 15, 2020 19:04:59 GMT -5
You are not being tested because your country doesn't have enough test kits. The president who said he'd make America great again didn't care enough about his people to provide adequate testing. The fact that they're not testing the deceased tells me America really has not much idea at all about who is carrying COVID-19 and who is not. NEW YORK (Reuters) - The daily tally of New York City residents who died at home with coronavirus-like symptoms exploded from 45 on March 20 to 241 on April 5, according to Fire Department of New York data - suggesting the city may be significantly undercounting COVID-19 deaths. Asked about the fire department numbers at a press conference Tuesday, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio acknowledged that deaths at home haven’t been fully accounted for. “It’s right to assume the vast majority are coronavirus related,” he said. “And that makes it even more sober in the sense of how many people we are losing, how many families are suffering, how real this crisis is.” www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fdny/at-home-covid-19-deaths-may-be-significantly-undercounted-in-new-york-city-idUSKBN21P3KFSounds like you're playing "gotcha". Its a pathological rut. |
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Post by Lee on Apr 15, 2020 19:10:59 GMT -5
faith runs deep in some people regardless that Jesus said there would be trials, trouble and tribulation... Then why doesn't it allow them to believe that he will still love them even if they can't make it to church in a time when staying away can prevent a lot of pain and suffering among his people? I don't get that. God is supposed to be within us, nothing we can do will get us saved, so why wouldn't it be just the same to have a personal one on one relationship at home with him or in an on line service as going to church? This isn't about God or worshiping for these people, this about their belief that their religious rights have been taken away. That's all they care about imo. Religious freedom bears a correlation to secular freedom. Think about the Jews demands for religious freedom from Pharoah. Its a leftist trick to tell the religious they need not exist because "your God lives inside so there's no need to come outside". For every example of religious people being stupid I want you to post at least one example of religious people being smart and at least one example of religious people being persecuted to better reflect the nature of most religious people. Make sure to include Christians in your posts. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 15, 2020 19:59:09 GMT -5
Think about it Fixit. If USA imploded economically, politically, or both, the CCP would have nothing to lose agressing (who would they be trading with then). From a political standpoint, they'd be stupid not to pluck the low hanging fruit. Think about a world where the CCP has no barriers or enemies ... the glory it could bring them. Trump seems hell bent on destroying the USA by his divide and conquer tactics. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 15, 2020 20:00:17 GMT -5
What really concerns me is the amount of people that think this virus is just an exaggerated flu. I don't think many people know that it isn't just the lungs that are a concern, but also the kidneys and liver shuts down and there can be damage to the heart. Anyone that survives that's been on a ventilator will also have had it bad enough to see permanent damage to the lungs. It's not 'just the flu'. But the conspiracy theorists that think it's just the government trying to see how much they can control us are spreading this message around saying the government is lying to us, that there aren't hundreds of thousands dead or millions infected. And people are believing them and continuing the spread of this misinformation on social media. If people don't take it serious they will be careless and all it takes is exposure. It's frustrating that fools like Trump have persistently downplayed the seriousness of this virus. Today Trump is still saying the worst is over but he doesn't have a clue who is carrying it because he hasn't provided enough test kits. You have a reality TV star in the White House, not the kind of leadership the American people need. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 15, 2020 20:02:45 GMT -5
What really concerns me is the amount of people that think this virus is just an exaggerated flu. I don't think many people know that it isn't just the lungs that are a concern, but also the kidneys and liver shuts down and there can be damage to the heart. Anyone that survives that's been on a ventilator will also have had it bad enough to see permanent damage to the lungs. It's not 'just the flu'. But the conspiracy theorists that think it's just the government trying to see how much they can control us are spreading this message around saying the government is lying to us, that there aren't hundreds of thousands dead or millions infected. And people are believing them and continuing the spread of this misinformation on social media. If people don't take it serious they will be careless and all it takes is exposure. It's frustrating that fools like Trump have persistently downplayed the seriousness of this virus. Today Trump is still saying the worst is over but he doesn't have a clue who is carrying it because he hasn't provided enough test kits. You have a reality TV star in the White House, not the kind of leadership the American people need. It was an awful show. I saw about fifteen seconds of it once which was enough. |
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