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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2020 15:46:06 GMT -5
I think it's become the norm for both of them. They seem to think they are the only ones that can 'get it right'. They worship 3 gods no matter how they like to package it and construe it. The Pagans were right to accuse the RCC of worshiping multiple gods just like they did. My opinion of course. Could be wrong. Snow, that’s a bit strong. We don’t mean to come across as such; but are anxious that people receive the fuller understanding about their Saviour. Even before I even heard about the Trinity, I knew it was belittling him to say that he was ONLY A PERFECT MAN. That didn’t explain at all to me how God the Father could consider a perfect man could redeems sinners. That wasn’t much better then being sure the Passover Lamb was a yearling kid and without blemish. And the Bible does say that those sacrifices didn’t forgive ones’ sins but acted like a schoolmaster until the new covenant was made in Jesus Christ. The Bible also plainly states a man cannot redeem his brother NOR pay a ransom to God for his brother.
That says to me , JESUS HAD TO BE MORE THEN A PERFECT MAN.
But in all, since I begin to see and believe the Trinity therehave been so much scriptural revelations given to me, and I’d read and studied the Bible and heard workers for nearly sixty years and never saw the hidden mysteries until I understood exactly who Jesus Christ is. But you don’t believe anything as far as the Bible is concerned but are molded into the opinion that some of think only we have it right when that’s as far from the truth as you are. Shaz, when you are going to rely on verses please quote them. Here is Psalm 49 49 Hear this, all ye people; give ear, all ye inhabitants of the world: 2 Both low and high, rich and poor, together. 3 My mouth shall speak of wisdom; and the meditation of my heart shall be of understanding. 4 I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp. 5 Wherefore should I fear in the days of evil, when the iniquity of my heels shall compass me about? 6 They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches;
7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
8 (For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:) The passage you are relying on is referring to those with riches cannot BUY redemption. It has nothing to do with God raising up a perfect human being to be his lamb, sin offering for all of manking. It is what God wants or plans, NOT man! |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 3, 2020 15:47:53 GMT -5
He was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of man. He left his Father's glory and became man while on earth but took his glory back with the Father again after the resurrection and sits on the right hand of the Father. Mankind was also made a little lower than the angels. No I do not believe that Jesus left Heaven's glory. That is 2x2 indoctrination through the hymn 'From Heaven's glory, etc.' Jesus was glorified before the world began in the mind and plan of God. It was that glory that Jesus asked his Father to give him. He also passed on the same glory to his disciples, which they did not receive at that time. It was a future event.
My God refers to the Father while Jesus was on earth but the Father is always the Father and Jesus the Son. As has been said Jesus is not the Father and vice versa. Jesus will reign with the Father, do you not believe that?
John 17. Jesus prayed the Father to restore Jesus to the glory he had with his Father BEFORE THE WORLD EVER BECAME. The fact the Son of God left heaven’s glory to come to be in the human body that God prepared for him IS NOT JUST 2x2 thing it is from the Bible. ITsays that all things were created by the Son and for the Son. There wasn’t anything created that he didn’t create. In Isaiah it says the Lord was alone when he stretched out the firmament, etc. this was the Son not the Father for the Son created all things and there was not anything created that he didn’t create. All creation is for him. He is one HEIR that his predecessor will not nor does not have to die in order to inherit all things. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2020 15:48:09 GMT -5
You will not find scripture to support that Nathan. God decides how and through whom we are redeemed, not you or anyone else. Always go by what God says! Psalms says NO MAN CAN REDEEM HIS BROTHER NOR OFFER TO GOD A RANSOM FIR HIM. Hopelessly misunderstood and taken WAY out of context! Psalm 49 is stating that no matter what your wealthis, no man can buy his brother's redemption. Please read the Psalm properly! Psalm 49 1 Hear this, all ye people; give ear, all ye inhabitants of the world: 2 Both low and high, rich and poor, together. 3 My mouth shall speak of wisdom; and the meditation of my heart shall be of understanding. 4 I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp. 5 Wherefore should I fear in the days of evil, when the iniquity of my heels shall compass me about? 6 They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches; 7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: 8 (For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:) |
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2020 15:49:29 GMT -5
Please nip down the corridor and join Slowtosee in the common sense room! You go first! I will, once I start to show some common sense. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2020 15:53:13 GMT -5
Being of the same nature does not make Jesus God. It says in the Bible that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. Jesus didn't sin, so he had the fullness of the nature of God bodily. He even said when he prayed to the father, "you have given me power over all flesh" and it also says that God made Jesus Christ and Lord and exalted him and he anointed him, and that the head of Christ is God. So God the father is higher than Christ and he is his God. As Jesus says himself. Also, it's disturbing that Nathan would say I'm blaspheming and that you have liked his post, just because I don't agree with what you both believe when I can clearly quote from the Bible why I believe as I do. You both should be careful how you judge others. I think it's become the norm for both of them. They seem to think they are the only ones that can 'get it right'. They worship 3 gods no matter how they like to package it and construe it. The Pagans were right to accuse the RCC of worshiping multiple gods just like they did. My opinion of course. Could be wrong.As things stand you are firmly seated in the common sense room. Don't underestimate yourself! |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 3, 2020 15:54:39 GMT -5
Snow, that’s a bit strong. We don’t mean to come across as such; but are anxious that people receive the fuller understanding about their Saviour. Even before I even heard about the Trinity, I knew it was belittling him to say that he was ONLY A PERFECT MAN. That didn’t explain at all to me how God the Father could consider a perfect man could redeems sinners. That wasn’t much better then being sure the Passover Lamb was a yearling kid and without blemish. And the Bible does say that those sacrifices didn’t forgive ones’ sins but acted like a schoolmaster until the new covenant was made in Jesus Christ. The Bible also plainly states a man cannot redeem his brother NOR pay a ransom to God for his brother.
That says to me , JESUS HAD TO BE MORE THEN A PERFECT MAN.
But in all, since I begin to see and believe the Trinity therehave been so much scriptural revelations given to me, and I’d read and studied the Bible and heard workers for nearly sixty years and never saw the hidden mysteries until I understood exactly who Jesus Christ is. But you don’t believe anything as far as the Bible is concerned but are molded into the opinion that some of think only we have it right when that’s as far from the truth as you are. Shaz, when you are going to rely on verses please quote them. Here is Psalm 49 49 Hear this, all ye people; give ear, all ye inhabitants of the world: 2 Both low and high, rich and poor, together. 3 My mouth shall speak of wisdom; and the meditation of my heart shall be of understanding. 4 I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp. 5 Wherefore should I fear in the days of evil, when the iniquity of my heels shall compass me about? 6 They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches;
7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
8 (For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:) The passage you are relying on is referring to those with riches cannot BUY redemption. It has nothing to do with God raising up a perfect human being to be his lamb, sin offering for all of manking. It is what God wants or plans, NOT man! I’m sorry that your vision on that is so narrowed. It’s saying that it doesn’t matter how rich a person is; they cannot redeem his brother nor give to God a ransom for him. Otherwords, your riches won’t get you into heaven but God has his own salvation plan. Paul told the man who offered him money to get the power to be able to give the Holy Ghost by laying on of hands. Paul jumped his case about thinking he could buy the godly powers with money. It’s the same things, a man cannot redeem his brother even if he is 100 perfect, each person is accountable for themselves and INLY THROUGH THE SON OF GOD heaven’s salvation gift can save anyone. Not just a perfect man. TO. See Jesus as only a man is not using your noodle nor prizing you’re salvation’s redemption price. |
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Post by reborn on Feb 3, 2020 15:55:01 GMT -5
Common sense does not equate to Gods wisdom.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 16:03:11 GMT -5
Common sense does not equate to Gods wisdom. And this is the problem as I see it on here. Everyone thinks ‘their interpretation’ is God’s wisdom & they will argue it to the cows come home. If nothing else it is highly amusing. |
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Post by nathan on Feb 3, 2020 16:04:08 GMT -5
** What you are saying is FALSE! there many believers on here believe like me and STR, Wally/2×2, reborn/2×2, RossB, enuf, DennisJ and others also. We, or at least I, do not believe someone who does not believe in the Trinity is blaspheming. I think that is the difference between you and the others who believe in the Trinity, Nathan. I am open to both schools of thought but for now go with the Trinity but there is an argument for either thought. *** Jesus told the Jews and the Pharisees in His days God is my Father! And ye seek to KILL me *r stone me to death. According to the law of Moses we stone you because you are a MAN claimed to be God! That is the sin of BLASPHEMY. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2020 16:05:16 GMT -5
Shaz, when you are going to rely on verses please quote them. Here is Psalm 49 49 Hear this, all ye people; give ear, all ye inhabitants of the world: 2 Both low and high, rich and poor, together. 3 My mouth shall speak of wisdom; and the meditation of my heart shall be of understanding. 4 I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp. 5 Wherefore should I fear in the days of evil, when the iniquity of my heels shall compass me about? 6 They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches;
7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
8 (For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:) The passage you are relying on is referring to those with riches cannot BUY redemption. It has nothing to do with God raising up a perfect human being to be his lamb, sin offering for all of manking. It is what God wants or plans, NOT man! I’m sorry that your vision on that is so narrowed. It’s saying that it doesn’t matter how rich a person is; they cannot redeem his brother nor give to God a ransom for him. Otherwords, your riches won’t get you into heaven but God has his own salvation plan. Paul told the man who offered him money to get the power to be able to give the Holy Ghost by laying on of hands. Paul jumped his case about thinking he could buy the godly powers with money. It’s the same things, a man cannot redeem his brother even if he is 100 perfect, each person is accountable for themselves and INLY THROUGH THE SON OF GOD heaven’s salvation gift can save anyone. Not just a perfect man. TO. See Jesus as only a man is not using your noodle nor prizing you’re salvation’s redemption price. You do agree that God has a redemption plan and that HE decides how we are redeemed. Man cannot decide how we are redeemed. God does. He decided that we are redeemed through the shed blood and life of his only begotten, perfect, human being son, as long as we believe in him by following him in the way, truth and life that leads to the Father. John 3.16. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, so that those who believe in him will have eternal life and not perish.' The term 'only begotten son' refers to the human being Jesus, who was the lamb of God. It doesn't say that God himself came down to be his own sacrificial lamb. God provided the perfect human being. God is not a human being nor ever can be! |
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2020 16:06:50 GMT -5
Common sense does not equate to Gods wisdom. Actually Reebs, in many cases God's wisdom does equate to common sense. The trouble is we don't want that which is sensible. Often it cuts across our human nature. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2020 16:09:00 GMT -5
We, or at least I, do not believe someone who does not believe in the Trinity is blaspheming. I think that is the difference between you and the others who believe in the Trinity, Nathan. I am open to both schools of thought but for now go with the Trinity but there is an argument for either thought. *** Jesus told the Jews and the Pharisees in His days God is my Father! And ye seek to KILL me *r stone me to death. According to the law of Moses we stone you because you are a MAN claimed to be God! That is the sin of BLASPHEMY. Why not quote the relevant passages. You overlook at least two things that Jesus said to them which put a totally different picture on things.This is what happens when people pluck a verse here and there and stitch them together without looking at the context. |
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Post by nathan on Feb 3, 2020 16:14:40 GMT -5
I think it's become the norm for both of them. They seem to think they are the only ones that can 'get it right'. They worship 3 gods no matter how they like to package it and construe it. The Pagans were right to accuse the RCC of worshiping multiple gods just like they did. My opinion of course. Could be wrong. Snow, that’s a bit strong. We don’t mean to come across as such; but are anxious that people receive the fuller understanding about their Saviour. Even before I even heard about the Trinity, I knew it was belittling him to say that he was ONLY A PERFECT MAN. That didn’t explain at all to me how God the Father could consider a perfect man could redeems sinners. That wasn’t much better then being sure the Passover Lamb was a yearling kid and without blemish. And the Bible does say that those sacrifices didn’t forgive ones’ sins but acted like a schoolmaster until the new covenant was made in Jesus Christ. The Bible also plainly states a man cannot redeem his brother NOR pay a ransom to God for his brother. That says to me , JESUS HAD TO BE MORE THEN A PERFECT MAN. But in all, since I begin to see and believe the Trinity therehave been so much scriptural revelations given to me, and I’d read and studied the Bible and heard workers for nearly sixty years and never saw the hidden mysteries until I understood exactly who Jesus Christ is. But you don’t believe anything as far as the Bible is concerned but are molded into the opinion that some of think only we have it right when that’s as far from the truth as you are. ** Your understanding and revelation of the Christ/God and the Godhead is astounding. KEEP UP! The good work.  |
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Post by reborn on Feb 3, 2020 16:27:58 GMT -5
Common sense does not equate to Gods wisdom. Actually Reebs, in many cases God's wisdom does equate to common sense. The trouble is we don't want that which is sensible. Often it cuts across our human nature. Common sense is often what is just “common to man”. Gods wisdom is always above it! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 16:43:16 GMT -5
Actually Reebs, in many cases God's wisdom does equate to common sense. The trouble is we don't want that which is sensible. Often it cuts across our human nature. Common sense is often what is just “common to man”. Gods wisdom is always above it! ...And we have been given a brain to think with. I don’t think it was part of the plan, not to use it. |
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Post by Get off of TMB on Feb 3, 2020 16:45:17 GMT -5
Indiana probably had close to twice the number of Sunday morning meetings in 1984 as 2020. I once listed the meeting towns in IN during a 2 decade span. Look at the US state staff being consolidated. I only know about the US south of the great Lakes on down to the Gulf Coast.
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Post by reborn on Feb 3, 2020 16:50:00 GMT -5
Common sense is often what is just “common to man”. Gods wisdom is always above it! ...And we have been given a brain to think with. I don’t think it was part of the plan, not to use it. Yes, please use the brain that God has given. For knowledge of the holy- we all need to be wise enough to ask him! |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 3, 2020 17:12:49 GMT -5
Common sense does not equate to Gods wisdom. Needs repeated every third post. I nominate this as post of the week. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 3, 2020 17:15:49 GMT -5
Common sense does not equate to Gods wisdom. Actually Reebs, in many cases God's wisdom does equate to common sense. The trouble is we don't want that which is sensible. Often it cuts across our human nature. No God’s wisdom is what cuts across our human nature. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 3, 2020 17:18:40 GMT -5
Common sense is often what is just “common to man”. Gods wisdom is always above it! ...And we have been given a brain to think with. I don’t think it was part of the plan, not to use it. Strange that the Bible says in Isaiah 55:8. For my(God) thoughts are not your(man) thoughts, neither are your ways my ways. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 3, 2020 17:21:13 GMT -5
Common sense does not equate to Gods wisdom. Actually Reebs, in many cases God's wisdom does equate to common sense. The trouble is we don't want that which is sensible. Often it cuts across our human nature. I’m not sure about that. Isaiah 55:8 |
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Post by fixit on Feb 3, 2020 17:24:23 GMT -5
*** Wow! I see.. Then why, do you and your people Cooneyties, given praises, pray in his name and give thanks to Jesus every Sunday gathering? You are putting Jesus and the Holy Spirit on the same level as God the Father! That is BLASPHEMY to put anyone on the same level as God the Father unless they are God themselves. So then are your church committing blasphemy because they don't believe in a triune God? Nathan is trying to bring back the creeds and dogma that the early workers left behind. |
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Post by fixit on Feb 3, 2020 17:26:34 GMT -5
We, or at least I, do not believe someone who does not believe in the Trinity is blaspheming. I think that is the difference between you and the others who believe in the Trinity, Nathan. I am open to both schools of thought but for now go with the Trinity but there is an argument for either thought. *** Jesus told the Jews and the Pharisees in His days God is my Father! And ye seek to KILL me *r stone me to death. According to the law of Moses we stone you because you are a MAN claimed to be God! That is the sin of BLASPHEMY. I think you would be there stoning him as well Nathan. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 3, 2020 17:26:36 GMT -5
So then are your church committing blasphemy because they don't believe in a triune God? Nathan is trying to bring back the creeds and dogma that the early workers left behind. The creeds and dogma isn’t what’s wrong, it’s the failure to use them, |
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2020 17:36:21 GMT -5
Actually Reebs, in many cases God's wisdom does equate to common sense. The trouble is we don't want that which is sensible. Often it cuts across our human nature. Common sense is often what is just “common to man”. Gods wisdom is always above it! Someone listening to the true gospel which contains a very serious warning along with a means to escape the coming wrath of God, should even by common sense alone, seek to follow the advice given. Very simple. |
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Post by nathan on Feb 3, 2020 17:36:22 GMT -5
Shaz, when you are going to rely on verses please quote them. Here is Psalm 49 49 Hear this, all ye people; give ear, all ye inhabitants of the world: 2 Both low and high, rich and poor, together. 3 My mouth shall speak of wisdom; and the meditation of my heart shall be of understanding. 4 I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp. 5 Wherefore should I fear in the days of evil, when the iniquity of my heels shall compass me about? 6 They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches;
7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
8 (For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:) The passage you are relying on is referring to those with riches cannot BUY redemption. It has nothing to do with God raising up a perfect human being to be his lamb, sin offering for all of manking. It is what God wants or plans, NOT man! I’m sorry that your vision on that is so narrowed. It’s saying that it doesn’t matter how rich a person is; they cannot redeem his brother nor give to God a ransom for him. Otherwords, your riches won’t get you into heaven but God has his own salvation plan. Paul told the man who offered him money to get the power to be able to give the Holy Ghost by laying on of hands. Paul jumped his case about thinking he could buy the godly powers with money. It’s the same things, a man cannot redeem his brother even if he is 100 perfect, each person is accountable for themselves and INLY THROUGH THE SON OF GOD heaven’s salvation gift can save anyone. Not just a perfect man. TO. See Jesus as only a man is not using your noodle nor prizing you’re salvation’s redemption price. *** Some of these people can't see or understand it, ONLY Christ And the Holy Spirit can open their eyes to see it... Like He did with us, STR. Well, we tried. |
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Post by nathan on Feb 3, 2020 17:41:08 GMT -5
So then are your church committing blasphemy because they don't believe in a triune God? Nathan is trying to bring back the creeds and dogma that the early workers left behind. ** Yes, the early days workers teachings were spot on! The Trinity/Jesus is God.... And the early church fathers, the Vaudios, the apostles, the Bible and Jesus/God Himself! |
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Post by nathan on Feb 3, 2020 17:56:00 GMT -5
*** Jesus told the Jews and the Pharisees in His days God is my Father! And ye seek to KILL me *r stone me to death. According to the law of Moses we stone you because you are a MAN claimed to be God! That is the sin of BLASPHEMY. I think you would be there stoning him as well Nathan. ** You don't what the Heck you are talking about, I believe Christ is God like unto the Father and God is His Father! I agree with Jesus. How am I going to stone Jesus? It's you like the Phariees and the unbelieving Jews who don't believe Jesus is God the Christ. You probably throw the first stone at Jesus according to many of your anti-Christ/God. |
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