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Post by maryhig on Feb 3, 2020 11:53:50 GMT -5
So then are your church committing blasphemy because they don't believe in a triune God? *** The current workers and friends believed and taught the TRINITY and TRIUNE God But they don't KNOW or understand it, yet. The early days workers William Irvine, Edward Cooney and most ed and taught the TRINITY/Triune God and the workers believed it because they came out of many Protestant denominations and some from RCC. Back in those days, most denomination churches believed in the Trinity and Jesus/Christ is God. In 1903 dward Cooneyed and the early days workers established Sunday morning meeting/worship gathering so the workers and the friends come together to worship the Godhead/Trinity/Triune God like the New Testament believers. The current workers and friends still keep th Sunday morning worship meetings of the Trinity! But now they say they worship ONLY the Father, give thanks to Jesus the Son of God and It/Holy Spirit. So because they say they only worship the father, are they blaspheming? By condemning me, you are also condemning many on your own church! Because you've just said I'm blaspheming and I believe as they do. And none of the friends that I have spoken to believe in the trinity, only really you and Wally. Most I have spoken to believe as I do and you said I am committing blasphemy! Do you tell your own workers and the friends in the meetings that too? |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 3, 2020 11:53:57 GMT -5
God is not a person’s name; that is their nature. The Father, the Sin and the Holy Spirit are their names and they all three possess the Godhead nature. So when Jesus said 'My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me@ he was referring to himself? Matthew 27 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? His Father IS HIS GOD. He was always in subjection to his Father’s will. Just as any Son should be in subjection to the father’s will. If you understood when Jesus said, “Father, unto thy keeping I commend my spirit”; then you’d understand that the God man WAS gone from the Son of man because God cannot die but the Son of man was dying. Jesus had to face eternal death as any human faces it, he tasted hell on that cross for every man, woman, and child and since his God person could not die that had to go to the Father’s keeping. His spirit was no more in him. But his human agony was there for all. He did not defeat eternal death until his God spirit returned to him and he was resurrected into an eternal body. This is when he could go down into the depths of the graves, preach the gospel of eternal life and take the keys of eternal death from Satan. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 3, 2020 11:56:04 GMT -5
I’m not understanding what you’re saying. If they’re all of the God nature, then why doesn’t that make them “God” since God is not a name for a person but his nature? Isn’t that like saying mankind all have human nature but they’re not human? Being of the same nature does not make Jesus God. It says in the Bible that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. Jesus didn't sin, so he had the fullness of the nature of God bodily. He even said when he prayed to the father, "you have given me power over all flesh" and it also says that God made Jesus Christ and Lord and exalted him and he anointed him, and that the head of Christ is God. So God the father is higher than Christ and he is his God. As Jesus says himself. Also, it's disturbing that Nathan would say I'm blaspheming and that you have liked his post, just because I don't agree with what you both believe when I can clearly quote from the Bible why I believe as I do. You both should be careful how you judge others. What he says is true. The Bible says clearly thou shalt not worship any other but God. But when people take bread and wine and thank a Jesus for his sacrifice and gift of eternal life, they are worshipping Jesus Christ. |
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Post by maryhig on Feb 3, 2020 11:56:22 GMT -5
So when Jesus said 'My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me@ he was referring to himself? Matthew 27 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? ** Christ/God Jesus the Son speaking to God the Father in heaven as His God. In Hebrews 1 God the Father called the Son/Christ Jesus LORD and God. The Father is God; Christ is also God and the Holy Spirit as well. ALL three beings are ETERNAL. And in Hebrews 1:9 it says GOD EVEN THY GOD HAS ANOINTED THEE with the oil of gladness ABOVE THY FELLOWS. Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. |
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Post by maryhig on Feb 3, 2020 11:58:46 GMT -5
Being of the same nature does not make Jesus God. It says in the Bible that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. Jesus didn't sin, so he had the fullness of the nature of God bodily. He even said when he prayed to the father, "you have given me power over all flesh" and it also says that God made Jesus Christ and Lord and exalted him and he anointed him, and that the head of Christ is God. So God the father is higher than Christ and he is his God. As Jesus says himself. Also, it's disturbing that Nathan would say I'm blaspheming and that you have liked his post, just because I don't agree with what you both believe when I can clearly quote from the Bible why I believe as I do. You both should be careful how you judge others. What he says is true. The Bible says clearly thou shalt not worship any other but God. But when people take bread and wine and thank a Jesus for his sacrifice and gift of eternal life, they are worshipping Jesus Christ. I don't pray like that, I pray to God the father, through our Lord Jesus Christ. I don't pray to Jesus. And I am thankful to Jesus for saving me through his life and by the word of God. |
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Post by nathan on Feb 3, 2020 12:02:39 GMT -5
*** The current workers and friends believed and taught the TRINITY and TRIUNE God But they don't KNOW or understand it, yet. The early days workers William Irvine, Edward Cooney and most ed and taught the TRINITY/Triune God and the workers believed it because they came out of many Protestant denominations and some from RCC. Back in those days, most denomination churches believed in the Trinity and Jesus/Christ is God. In 1903 Edward Cooneyed and the early days workers established Sunday morning meeting/worship gathering so the workers and the friends come together to worship the Godhead/Trinity/Triune God like the New Testament believers. The current workers and friends still keep th Sunday morning worship meetings of the Trinity! But now they say they worship ONLY the Father, give thanks to Jesus the Son of God and It/Holy Spirit. So because they say they only worship the father, are they blaspheming? By condemning me, you are also condemning many on your own church! Because you've just said I'm blaspheming and I believe as they do. And none of the friends that I have spoken to believe in the trinity, only really you and Wally. Most I have spoken to believe as I do and you said I am committing blasphemy! Do you tell your own workers and the friends in the meetings that too? ** Yes, people are blasphemer if they believe Jesus is only a man because NO man can die for our sins NOT even an angel can redeem us/Salvaton. If Jesus is only a man the why you/Cooneyites and 2x2s put Him on the SAME level as God the Father! ONLY to be WORSHIPPED and to receive our praises and adoration. |
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Post by maryhig on Feb 3, 2020 12:06:06 GMT -5
So because they say they only worship the father, are they blaspheming? By condemning me, you are also condemning many on your own church! Because you've just said I'm blaspheming and I believe as they do. And none of the friends that I have spoken to believe in the trinity, only really you and Wally. Most I have spoken to believe as I do and you said I am committing blasphemy! Do you tell your own workers and the friends in the meetings that too? ** Yes, people are blasphemer if they believe Jesus is only a man because NO man can die for our sins NOT even an angel can redeem us/Salvaton. If Jesus is only a man the why they put Him on the SAME level as God the Father! ONLY to be WORSHIPPED and to receive our praises and adoration. Then you have just condemned the majority of your church and it makes you a hypocrite because you attend meetings with them when you don't believe as they do and believe that the way they believe is blasphemy! |
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2020 12:21:38 GMT -5
So when Jesus said 'My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me@ he was referring to himself? Matthew 27 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? ** Christ/God Jesus the Son speaking to God the Father in heaven as His God. In Hebrews 1 God the Father called the Son/Christ Jesus LORD and God. The Father is God; Christ is also God and the Holy Spirit as well. ALL three beings are ETERNAL. Thanks for clearing that up Nathan. So one God, or one third part of God is calling another God, or another one third part of God, HIS God? Are they all each other's Gods? |
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2020 12:25:01 GMT -5
So when Jesus said 'My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me@ he was referring to himself? Matthew 27 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? His Father IS HIS GOD. He was always in subjection to his Father’s will. Just as any Son should be in subjection to the father’s will. If you understood when Jesus said, “Father, unto thy keeping I commend my spirit”; then you’d understand that the God man WAS gone from the Son of man because God cannot die but the Son of man was dying. Jesus had to face eternal death as any human faces it, he tasted hell on that cross for every man, woman, and child and since his God person could not die that had to go to the Father’s keeping. His spirit was no more in him. But his human agony was there for all. He did not defeat eternal death until his God spirit returned to him and he was resurrected into an eternal body. This is when he could go down into the depths of the graves, preach the gospel of eternal life and take the keys of eternal death from Satan. Is Jesus also God or isn't he? Are there three Gods or are there three one third parts of God? So Jesus ceased to be God so that he could die because God cannot die? Then of course he became God again, or one third part of God? |
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Post by snow on Feb 3, 2020 12:39:46 GMT -5
God is not a person’s name; that is their nature. The Father, the Sin and the Holy Spirit are their names and they all three possess the Godhead nature. So when Jesus said 'My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me@ he was referring to himself? Matthew 27 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? And when Jesus came to save everyone, he came to save everyone from himself? |
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Post by snow on Feb 3, 2020 12:42:21 GMT -5
I’m not understanding what you’re saying. If they’re all of the God nature, then why doesn’t that make them “God” since God is not a name for a person but his nature? Isn’t that like saying mankind all have human nature but they’re not human? Being of the same nature does not make Jesus God. It says in the Bible that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. Jesus didn't sin, so he had the fullness of the nature of God bodily. He even said when he prayed to the father, "you have given me power over all flesh" and it also says that God made Jesus Christ and Lord and exalted him and he anointed him, and that the head of Christ is God. So God the father is higher than Christ and he is his God. As Jesus says himself. Also, it's disturbing that Nathan would say I'm blaspheming and that you have liked his post, just because I don't agree with what you both believe when I can clearly quote from the Bible why I believe as I do. You both should be careful how you judge others. I think it's become the norm for both of them. They seem to think they are the only ones that can 'get it right'. They worship 3 gods no matter how they like to package it and construe it. The Pagans were right to accuse the RCC of worshiping multiple gods just like they did. My opinion of course. Could be wrong. |
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Post by reborn on Feb 3, 2020 12:45:24 GMT -5
It really calls for a individual to read and Believe John 1- then ask/ pray to God for a revelation from himself😊
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Post by Grant on Feb 3, 2020 12:52:18 GMT -5
God is not a person’s name; that is their nature. The Father, the Sin and the Holy Spirit are their names and they all three possess the Godhead nature. So when Jesus said 'My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me@ he was referring to himself? Matthew 27 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? He was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of man. He left his Father's glory and became man while on earth but took his glory back with the Father again after the resurrection and sits on the right hand of the Father. My God refers to the Father while Jesus was on earth but the Father is always the Father and Jesus the Son. As has been said Jesus is not the Father and vice versa. Jesus will reign with the Father, do you not believe that? |
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Post by nathan on Feb 3, 2020 13:01:34 GMT -5
What he says is true. The Bible says clearly thou shalt not worship any other but God. But when people take bread and wine and thank a Jesus for his sacrifice and gift of eternal life, they are worshipping Jesus Christ. I don't pray like that, I pray to God the father, through our Lord Jesus Christ. I don't pray to Jesus. And I am thankful to Jesus for saving me through his life and by the word of God. ** ONLY God to be worshipped then why are you Pray to God through Jesus name when he is NOT God... That is blashemy! According to the Old test. That was why the Jews in Jesus days wanted to stone him for saying God is His Father putting him on the same level with God and that is the sin of blaphemy! |
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Post by nathan on Feb 3, 2020 13:43:29 GMT -5
Being of the same nature does not make Jesus God. It says in the Bible that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. Jesus didn't sin, so he had the fullness of the nature of God bodily. He even said when he prayed to the father, "you have given me power over all flesh" and it also says that God made Jesus Christ and Lord and exalted him and he anointed him, and that the head of Christ is God. So God the father is higher than Christ and he is his God. As Jesus says himself. Also, it's disturbing that Nathan would say I'm blaspheming and that you have liked his post, just because I don't agree with what you both believe when I can clearly quote from the Bible why I believe as I do. You both should be careful how you judge others. I think it's become the norm for both of them. They seem to think they are the only ones that can 'get it right'. They worship 3 gods no matter how they like to package it and construe it. The Pagans were right to accuse the RCC of worshiping multiple gods just like they did. My opinion of course. Could be wrong. ** What you are saying is FALSE! there many believers on here believe like me and STR, Wally/2×2, reborn/2×2, RossB, enuf, DennisJ and others also. |
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Post by Grant on Feb 3, 2020 14:19:04 GMT -5
I think it's become the norm for both of them. They seem to think they are the only ones that can 'get it right'. They worship 3 gods no matter how they like to package it and construe it. The Pagans were right to accuse the RCC of worshiping multiple gods just like they did. My opinion of course. Could be wrong. ** What you are saying is FALSE! there many believers on here believe like me and STR, Wally/2×2, reborn/2×2, RossB, enuf, DennisJ and others also. We, or at least I, do not believe someone who does not believe in the Trinity is blaspheming. I think that is the difference between you and the others who believe in the Trinity, Nathan. I am open to both schools of thought but for now go with the Trinity but there is an argument for either thought. |
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Post by maryhig on Feb 3, 2020 14:28:31 GMT -5
I don't pray like that, I pray to God the father, through our Lord Jesus Christ. I don't pray to Jesus. And I am thankful to Jesus for saving me through his life and by the word of God. ** ONLY God to be worshipped then why are you Pray to God through Jesus name when he is NOT God... That is blashemy! According to the Old test. That was why the Jews in Jesus days wanted to stone him for saying God is His Father putting him on the same level with God and that is the sin of blaphemy! Maybe you should ask the friends and workers the same question? And then you could also tell them that they are blaspheming, as most of them believe as I do! |
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Post by reborn on Feb 3, 2020 14:39:27 GMT -5
What matters is what God reveals to a individual. It then becomes part of your testimony,and you don’t need any current polls as far as what others around you believe.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 3, 2020 15:22:32 GMT -5
His Father IS HIS GOD. He was always in subjection to his Father’s will. Just as any Son should be in subjection to the father’s will. If you understood when Jesus said, “Father, unto thy keeping I commend my spirit”; then you’d understand that the God man WAS gone from the Son of man because God cannot die but the Son of man was dying. Jesus had to face eternal death as any human faces it, he tasted hell on that cross for every man, woman, and child and since his God person could not die that had to go to the Father’s keeping. His spirit was no more in him. But his human agony was there for all. He did not defeat eternal death until his God spirit returned to him and he was resurrected into an eternal body. This is when he could go down into the depths of the graves, preach the gospel of eternal life and take the keys of eternal death from Satan. Is Jesus also God or isn't he? Are there three Gods or are there three one third parts of God? So Jesus ceased to be God so that he could die because God cannot die? Then of course he became God again, or one third part of God? There is only one God(God is not a person’s name it is his nature.) Jesus was 100 % God the Son and 100 % Son of man. But God cannot die, this is why the Father prepared a human body for Jesus in a Mary’s womb. As God is a spirit, so that means the Father AND the SON are spirits. However, the spirit given to the Son of man was a God the Son spirit. So he had to taste of eternal death for every one, but only in the human flesh. He willingly commended his spirit as God the Son into the Father’s keeping because he couldn’t die until that was done. So as only the Son of man in his human flesh; naturally he’s going to cry out to his God which is also his spiritual Father. Hebrews says “in that he feared.” After resurrection he certainly retained his glorious standing as God the Son, his deity. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 15:24:46 GMT -5
** ONLY God to be worshipped then why are you Pray to God through Jesus name when he is NOT God... That is blashemy! According to the Old test. That was why the Jews in Jesus days wanted to stone him for saying God is His Father putting him on the same level with God and that is the sin of blaphemy! Maybe you should ask the friends and workers the same question? And then you could also tell them that they are blaspheming, as most of them believe as I do! You are so right Maryhig in saying that. Who cares ...if STR, Wally, Reborn, Ross, Enuf, Reborn, Dennis J believe in Trinity. So be it. They are entitled to. Does not make Nathan’s argument any stronger ( but argue Nathan will !!!!) Maryhig you hold on to your own personal spiritual relationship and it is none of Nathan’s business to be doing his self- righteous judgement on another. But I’m sure you have common sense to be able to see that. Cheers |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 3, 2020 15:25:01 GMT -5
** What you are saying is FALSE! there many believers on here believe like me and STR, Wally/2×2, reborn/2×2, RossB, enuf, DennisJ and others also. We, or at least I, do not believe someone who does not believe in the Trinity is blaspheming. I think that is the difference between you and the others who believe in the Trinity, Nathan. I am open to both schools of thought but for now go with the Trinity but there is an argument for either thought. I believe getting the understanding about Jesus more fully falls under the subject of laying up treasures in heaven. I know in my experience that the Bible has certainly become easier to understand. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2020 15:29:30 GMT -5
So because they say they only worship the father, are they blaspheming? By condemning me, you are also condemning many on your own church! Because you've just said I'm blaspheming and I believe as they do. And none of the friends that I have spoken to believe in the trinity, only really you and Wally. Most I have spoken to believe as I do and you said I am committing blasphemy! Do you tell your own workers and the friends in the meetings that too? ** Yes, people are blasphemer if they believe Jesus is only a man because NO man can die for our sins NOT even an angel can redeem us/Salvaton. If Jesus is only a man the why you/Cooneyites and 2x2s put Him on the SAME level as God the Father! ONLY to be WORSHIPPED and to receive our praises and adoration. You will not find scripture to support that Nathan. God decides how and through whom we are redeemed, not you or anyone else. Always go by what God says! |
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2020 15:36:21 GMT -5
So when Jesus said 'My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me@ he was referring to himself? Matthew 27 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? He was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of man. He left his Father's glory and became man while on earth but took his glory back with the Father again after the resurrection and sits on the right hand of the Father. Mankind was also made a little lower than the angels. No I do not believe that Jesus left Heaven's glory. That is 2x2 indoctrination through the hymn 'From Heaven's glory, etc.' Jesus was glorified before the world began in the mind and plan of God. It was that glory that Jesus asked his Father to give him. He also passed on the same glory to his disciples, which they did not receive at that time. It was a future event.
My God refers to the Father while Jesus was on earth but the Father is always the Father and Jesus the Son. As has been said Jesus is not the Father and vice versa. Jesus will reign with the Father, do you not believe that?
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2020 15:37:54 GMT -5
** What you are saying is FALSE! there many believers on here believe like me and STR, Wally/2×2, reborn/2×2, RossB, enuf, DennisJ and others also. We, or at least I, do not believe someone who does not believe in the Trinity is blaspheming. I think that is the difference between you and the others who believe in the Trinity, Nathan. I am open to both schools of thought but for now go with the Trinity but there is an argument for either thought. Nathan, you should take a leaf or two out of enuf's book. He at least knows where to be cautious and to be open to other schools of thought. He could teach you a thing or two? |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 3, 2020 15:38:11 GMT -5
Being of the same nature does not make Jesus God. It says in the Bible that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. Jesus didn't sin, so he had the fullness of the nature of God bodily. He even said when he prayed to the father, "you have given me power over all flesh" and it also says that God made Jesus Christ and Lord and exalted him and he anointed him, and that the head of Christ is God. So God the father is higher than Christ and he is his God. As Jesus says himself. Also, it's disturbing that Nathan would say I'm blaspheming and that you have liked his post, just because I don't agree with what you both believe when I can clearly quote from the Bible why I believe as I do. You both should be careful how you judge others. I think it's become the norm for both of them. They seem to think they are the only ones that can 'get it right'. They worship 3 gods no matter how they like to package it and construe it. The Pagans were right to accuse the RCC of worshiping multiple gods just like they did. My opinion of course. Could be wrong. Snow, that’s a bit strong. We don’t mean to come across as such; but are anxious that people receive the fuller understanding about their Saviour. Even before I even heard about the Trinity, I knew it was belittling him to say that he was ONLY A PERFECT MAN. That didn’t explain at all to me how God the Father could consider a perfect man could redeems sinners. That wasn’t much better then being sure the Passover Lamb was a yearling kid and without blemish. And the Bible does say that those sacrifices didn’t forgive ones’ sins but acted like a schoolmaster until the new covenant was made in Jesus Christ. The Bible also plainly states a man cannot redeem his brother NOR pay a ransom to God for his brother. That says to me , JESUS HAD TO BE MORE THEN A PERFECT MAN. But in all, since I begin to see and believe the Trinity therehave been so much scriptural revelations given to me, and I’d read and studied the Bible and heard workers for nearly sixty years and never saw the hidden mysteries until I understood exactly who Jesus Christ is. But you don’t believe anything as far as the Bible is concerned but are molded into the opinion that some of think only we have it right when that’s as far from the truth as you are. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2020 15:39:18 GMT -5
So when Jesus said 'My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me@ he was referring to himself? Matthew 27 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? And when Jesus came to save everyone, he came to save everyone from himself? Please nip down the corridor and join Slowtosee in the common sense room! |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 3, 2020 15:39:21 GMT -5
** Yes, people are blasphemer if they believe Jesus is only a man because NO man can die for our sins NOT even an angel can redeem us/Salvaton. If Jesus is only a man the why you/Cooneyites and 2x2s put Him on the SAME level as God the Father! ONLY to be WORSHIPPED and to receive our praises and adoration. You will not find scripture to support that Nathan. God decides how and through whom we are redeemed, not you or anyone else. Always go by what God says! Psalms says NO MAN CAN REDEEM HIS BROTHER NOR OFFER TO GOD A RANSOM FIR HIM. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 3, 2020 15:39:49 GMT -5
And when Jesus came to save everyone, he came to save everyone from himself? Please nip down the corridor and join Slowtosee in the common sense room! You go first! |
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