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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 17:57:20 GMT -5
The mosquito has been around since the Jurassic pefiod or about 210 million years. That is a bit longer than your god who was only invented about 6000 years ago. My God was there long before that! From everlasting to everlasting! 😉
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Post by Get off of TMB on Aug 22, 2019 18:48:22 GMT -5
I can have church in my backyard, a mall, McDonalds, or wherever I want or need to have it.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 19:10:10 GMT -5
I had an ex2x2 friend I grew up with,?that goes to the national forests and walks where the only sounds are the sounds of a God’s nature/creation and does her meditations/reflections.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 19:18:16 GMT -5
I had an ex2x2 friend I grew up with,?that goes to the national forests and walks where the only sounds are the sounds of a God’s nature/creation and does her meditations/reflections. Love it. ’ he leadeth me beside the still [quiet] waters’
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 19:23:30 GMT -5
I had an ex2x2 friend I grew up with,?that goes to the national forests and walks where the only sounds are the sounds of a God’s nature/creation and does her meditations/reflections. Love it. ’ he leadeth me beside the still [quiet] waters’ I’ll always remember the Syrian guest told that the shepherd will find clean running water but knowing his sheep are afraid of the moving water, he fixes a dam to where he’ll have a pool of fresh clear but quiet water, then the sheep can drink without fear.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 19:30:52 GMT -5
Love it. ’ he leadeth me beside the still [quiet] waters’ I’ll always remember the Syrian guest told that the shepherd will find clean running water but knowing his sheep are afraid of the moving water, he fixes a dam to where he’ll have a pool of fresh clear but quiet water, then the sheep can drink without fear. There’s no drinking without fear on this board. It’s the obsessive sermons of fear.
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 22, 2019 19:42:56 GMT -5
Why am I not surprised Nathan that you cannot accept at face value what I am sharing from my experience. I work and pray with other Christians from different denominations. We get visitors at church some Sundays from other denominations who pop in to fellowship with us. My wife works as a fully -accredited generic Christian chaplain in a Catholic hospital. She often leads prayer meetings with other chaplains who come from at least 8 different denominations. They all serve everyone, Christian or not, whether from ‘their’ denomination or not. They are all there for one reason, to serve others. They are there to sit alongside and encourage others at their most vulnerable, and often, tragic moments, not to preach at anyone. I am telling you what is my lived experience. I can’t do more than that. if you never get outside your bubble you can assert any old rubbish. ** I had been where you are so I KNOW the things you talk about and experiencing. I know those feelings and the desire for unity among the 40,000 plus denominations. Here is my understanding... There are 1/3 of the fallen angels living on/in the earth and they want the humans to worship them as God. So, how are they going to do that? They are going to deceive the fallen humans worshing false religions, false churches making them to believe they are worshing God all along. Satan an fallen angels are creators of false religions and false churches.They are the masters of God's Truth and Way counterfeiters. Nathan - I get where you are coming from. But your experience is your experience, certainly not mine. And also this 40,000 denominations thing that you keep quoting is a spurious figure anyway. In some cases you are talking about different names of churches that actually belong to parachurch networks and larger denominational umbrellas. For example, in Australia there a lot of networks of independent churches that work together based on common goals and ministries. You really have no idea what you are actually referring to. I have already pointed out that we have fellowship with people from many churches. We don't just imagine it. You are imagining that we don't have such genuine fellowship, but you have no basis to claim that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 19:51:57 GMT -5
** I had been where you are so I KNOW the things you talk about and experiencing. I know those feelings and the desire for unity among the 40,000 plus denominations. Here is my understanding... There are 1/3 of the fallen angels living on/in the earth and they want the humans to worship them as God. So, how are they going to do that? They are going to deceive the fallen humans worshing false religions, false churches making them to believe they are worshing God all along. Satan an fallen angels are creators of false religions and false churches.They are the masters of God's Truth and Way counterfeiters. Nathan - I get where you are coming from. But your experience is your experience, certainly not mine. And also this 40,000 denominations thing that you keep quoting is a spurious figure anyway. In some cases you are talking about different names of churches that actually belong to parachurch networks and larger denominational umbrellas. For example, in Australia there a lot of networks of independent churches that work together based on common goals and ministries. You really have no idea what you are actually referring to. I have already pointed out that we have fellowship with people from many churches. We don't just imagine it. You are imagining that we don't have such genuine fellowship, but you have no basis to claim that. Absolutely
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Post by nathan on Aug 22, 2019 19:59:42 GMT -5
** I had been where you are so I KNOW the things you talk about and experiencing. I know those feelings and the desire for unity among the 40,000 plus denominations. Here is my understanding... There are 1/3 of the fallen angels living on/in the earth and they want the humans to worship them as God. So, how are they going to do that? They are going to deceive the fallen humans worshing false religions, false churches making them to believe they are worshing God all along. Satan an fallen angels are creators of false religions and false churches.They are the masters of God's Truth and Way counterfeiters. Nathan - I get where you are coming from. But your experience is your experience, certainly not mine. And also this 40,000 denominations thing that you keep quoting is a spurious figure anyway. In some cases you are talking about different names of churches that actually belong to parachurch networks and larger denominational umbrellas. For example, in Australia there a lot of networks of independent churches that work together based on common goals and ministries. You really have no idea what you are actually referring to. I have already pointed out that we have fellowship with people from many churches. We don't just imagine it. You are imagining that we don't have such genuine fellowship, but you have no basis to claim that. You are entitled to share your experiences and I share mine... let the readers decide for themselves.
Why? are there so MANY churches/40,000 plus denominations? Very good video to listen to.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH79F0Hn56U
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 20:05:30 GMT -5
** I had been where you are so I KNOW the things you talk about and experiencing. I know those feelings and the desire for unity among the 40,000 plus denominations. Here is my understanding... There are 1/3 of the fallen angels living on/in the earth and they want the humans to worship them as God. So, how are they going to do that? They are going to deceive the fallen humans worshing false religions, false churches making them to believe they are worshing God all along. Satan an fallen angels are creators of false religions and false churches.They are the masters of God's Truth and Way counterfeiters. Nathan - I get where you are coming from. But your experience is your experience, certainly not mine. And also this 40,000 denominations thing that you keep quoting is a spurious figure anyway. In some cases you are talking about different names of churches that actually belong to parachurch networks and larger denominational umbrellas. For example, in Australia there a lot of networks of independent churches that work together based on common goals and ministries. You really have no idea what you are actually referring to. I have already pointed out that we have fellowship with people from many churches. We don't just imagine it. You are imagining that we don't have such genuine fellowship, but you have no basis to claim that. “For where there are two or three gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” Matthew 18:20 Used to use that as an excuse for the small crowds for different 2x2 meetings. But Jesus didn’t say that. He actually said “For where two or three are gathered together ‘in my name.”
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Post by rational on Aug 22, 2019 20:16:02 GMT -5
Here is my understanding... There are 1/3 of the fallen angels living on/in the earth and they want the humans to worship them as God. What is their long term game plan? Sitting around for eternity in the midst of a bunch of sycophants singing your praises? Actually the same question applies to heaven. After the first billion years wouldn't that be hell?
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 22, 2019 20:19:29 GMT -5
Nathan - I get where you are coming from. But your experience is your experience, certainly not mine. And also this 40,000 denominations thing that you keep quoting is a spurious figure anyway. In some cases you are talking about different names of churches that actually belong to parachurch networks and larger denominational umbrellas. For example, in Australia there a lot of networks of independent churches that work together based on common goals and ministries. You really have no idea what you are actually referring to. I have already pointed out that we have fellowship with people from many churches. We don't just imagine it. You are imagining that we don't have such genuine fellowship, but you have no basis to claim that. You are entitled to share your experiences and I share mine... let the readers decide for themselves.
Why? are there so MANY churches/40,000 plus denominations? Very good video to listen to.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH79F0Hn56U
Nathan - really, this is a non-brainer! Videos like this are put out by individual cults and sects like various spin-offs of Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God, JWs and others to prepare the way to tell you that only they are right. It is a transparent tactic for dummies, and also inaccurate. You only have to check who runs the channel or who put the video up, or often it is contained in the video itself. The fact that you fail again and again to test the bona fides of videos like this and also the Valiant Thor stuff shows you are not doing due diligence in these matters. As you rightly say, let the reader decide!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 20:22:17 GMT -5
Here is my understanding... There are 1/3 of the fallen angels living on/in the earth and they want the humans to worship them as God. What is their long term game plan? Sitting around for eternity in the midst of a bunch of sycophants singing your praises? Actually the same question applies to heaven. After the first billion years wouldn't that be hell? It’s a concept I’ve never understood about living for eternity. Why? Focusing on saving yourself for another life. Expand some of that energy on ‘focusing on others’ in this life makes more sense to me.
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 22, 2019 20:31:30 GMT -5
Olea,
I am cool with both concepts! Just saying... :-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 20:55:09 GMT -5
** I had been where you are so I KNOW the things you talk about and experiencing. I know those feelings and the desire for unity among the 40,000 plus denominations. Here is my understanding... There are 1/3 of the fallen angels living on/in the earth and they want the humans to worship them as God. So, how are they going to do that? They are going to deceive the fallen humans worshing false religions, false churches making them to believe they are worshing God all along. Satan an fallen angels are creators of false religions and false churches.They are the masters of God's Truth and Way counterfeiters. Nathan - I get where you are coming from. But your experience is your experience, certainly not mine. And also this 40,000 denominations thing that you keep quoting is a spurious figure anyway. In some cases you are talking about different names of churches that actually belong to parachurch networks and larger denominational umbrellas. For example, in Australia there a lot of networks of independent churches that work together based on common goals and ministries. You really have no idea what you are actually referring to. I have already pointed out that we have fellowship with people from many churches. We don't just imagine it. You are imagining that we don't have such genuine fellowship, but you have no basis to claim that. ummm that is very close to the real number its more like 50,000.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 20:58:26 GMT -5
What is their long term game plan? Sitting around for eternity in the midst of a bunch of sycophants singing your praises? Actually the same question applies to heaven. After the first billion years wouldn't that be hell? It’s a concept I’ve never understood about living for eternity. Why? Focusing on saving yourself for another life. Expand some of that energy on ‘focusing on others’ in this life makes more sense to me. eternity is a very long time vs the temporary life(this life) of maybe 100 years...
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 22, 2019 20:58:42 GMT -5
You are entitled to share your experiences and I share mine... let the readers decide for themselves.
Why? are there so MANY churches/40,000 plus denominations? Very good video to listen to.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH79F0Hn56U
Nathan - really, this is a non-brainer! Videos like this are put out by individual cults and sects like various spin-offs of Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God, JWs and others to prepare the way to tell you that only they are right. It is a transparent tactic for dummies, and also inaccurate. You only have to check who runs the channel or who put the video up, or often it is contained in the video itself. The fact that you fail again and again to test the bona fides of videos like this and also the Valiant Thor stuff shows you are not doing due diligence in these matters. As you rightly say, let the reader decide! Agree alistairhenderson! But of course nathan thinks that everyone agrees with him 😃😃
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 21:04:28 GMT -5
Here is my understanding... There are 1/3 of the fallen angels living on/in the earth and they want the humans to worship them as God. What is their long term game plan? Sitting around for eternity in the midst of a bunch of sycophants singing your praises? Actually the same question applies to heaven. After the first billion years wouldn't that be hell? I've been in meetings where it would take about 3 minutes...
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 22, 2019 21:12:37 GMT -5
Nathan - I get where you are coming from. But your experience is your experience, certainly not mine. And also this 40,000 denominations thing that you keep quoting is a spurious figure anyway. In some cases you are talking about different names of churches that actually belong to parachurch networks and larger denominational umbrellas. For example, in Australia there a lot of networks of independent churches that work together based on common goals and ministries. You really have no idea what you are actually referring to. I have already pointed out that we have fellowship with people from many churches. We don't just imagine it. You are imagining that we don't have such genuine fellowship, but you have no basis to claim that. ummm that is very close to the real number its more like 50,000. Actually Wally I have to respectfully differ. I will show you what I have been trying to convey to Nathan. You can argue from a very narrow definition of what a denomination is (just any church with a name) or you can zoom out and look at it from the perspective of identifiable sub-groups within a larger group or over-arching denomination, or you can look at it from a 'movement' point of view. There are in fact only about a dozen major 'movements' which each contain a number of church denominations (large) or independent. Let's just take one of the dozen or so major groupings: Anglicanism: And here is Pentecostalism (probably missing a fair few, but still all in one movement)
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 22, 2019 21:19:28 GMT -5
ummm that is very close to the real number its more like 50,000. Actually Wally I have to respectfully differ. I will show you what I have been trying to convey to Nathan. You can argue from a very narrow definition of what a denomination is (just any church with a name) or you can zoom out and look at it from the perspective of identifiable sub-groups within a larger group or over-arching denomination, or you can look at it from a 'movement' point of view. There are in fact only about a dozen major 'movements' which each contain a number of church denominations (large) or independent. Let's just take one of the dozen or so major groupings: Anglicanism: And here is Pentecostalism (probably missing a fair few, but still all in one movement) And here is a picture for those who can't be bothered looking it up for themselves about major movements. Gives an entirely different perspective to this misleading talk of 50,000 denominations (which you seem to want to convey as being like 50,000 equivalents to the Anglican Church, which is just silly): movements.PNG Attachments:
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Post by nathan on Aug 22, 2019 21:26:35 GMT -5
** I had been where you are so I KNOW the things you talk about and experiencing. I know those feelings and the desire for unity among the 40,000 plus denominations. Here is my understanding... There are 1/3 of the fallen angels living on/in the earth and they want the humans to worship them as God. So, how are they going to do that? They are going to deceive the fallen humans worshing false religions, false churches making them to believe they are worshing God all along. Satan an fallen angels are creators of false religions and false churches.They are the masters of God's Truth and Way counterfeiters. Yes Nathan so heed the words you quoted. Beware of false prophets who claim to be of God but are not. You seem to base your beliefs on your present experience with the 2x2s who do not accept any church other than their own. What denomination number were the 2x2s, a newly formed sect formed around 1897 by some person who turned out to be a false teacher. Many mainstream churches are interdenominational. Many of the early workers attended interdenominational groups. The Faith Mission is interdenominational, keswick conventions are interdenominational both of which the early worker attended. Being only 17 years old when you joined the workers church gave you very little understanding of mainstream christianity or Christianity as whole which is obvious due to your noticeable lack of understanding of other churches. Growing up I attended the RCC mass, and many churches before I met the 2x2s, then AFTER that I studied many other churches doctrines. I KNOW more about the 40,000 denomination churches than you think. William Irvine was NOT the ONLY teacher of the 2x2 church, there were many good teachers among the 2x2s and some are NOT so good.
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 22, 2019 21:32:36 GMT -5
I give up, really I do.
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Post by nathan on Aug 22, 2019 21:41:57 GMT -5
Here is my understanding... There are 1/3 of the fallen angels living on/in the earth and they want the humans to worship them as God. What is their long term game plan?Sitting around for eternity in the midst of a bunch of sycophants singing your praises? Actually the same question applies to heaven. After the first billion years wouldn't that be hell? hahaha... I hope NOT. I will say this ETERNITY is NOT going to be boring, sitting around play the harp in the clouds all days long, that is HELL. God has MANY interesting adventures things line up for us to do and enjoy for eternity.
Jesus said in John 10:9-10 "I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."
Rev. 21:3-5 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
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Post by rational on Aug 22, 2019 22:46:23 GMT -5
It’s a concept I’ve never understood about living for eternity. Why? Focusing on saving yourself for another life. Expand some of that energy on ‘focusing on others’ in this life makes more sense to me. eternity is a very long time vs the temporary life(this life) of maybe 100 years... that is right. Can you think of anything you could do that would not become utter boredom ater a million years? Ad then what for the next billion years?
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Post by nathan on Aug 22, 2019 23:23:02 GMT -5
eternity is a very long time vs the temporary life(this life) of maybe 100 years... that is right. Can you think of anything you could do that would not become utter boredom ater a million years? Ad then what for the next billion years? Rational, you THINK like a man and NOT as God. God is eternal and everlasting, as a man you can only see thing as far as your eyes can see. God's presence fills the Universe! and there no end to it. There is NO end to LOVE. There will be NO BOREDOM in heaven for eternity. The Universe/s has so much to offer for His children to experience and enjoy for eternity.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 23:30:15 GMT -5
eternity is a very long time vs the temporary life(this life) of maybe 100 years... that is right. Can you think of anything you could do that would not become utter boredom ater a million years? Ad then what for the next billion years? You think hearing all genre of music at one time would be boring. It doesn’t even come close to cacophony so one witness has said. I’d be in thrall to discover how that can be. Likely take several eons for me to find that out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 2:11:18 GMT -5
eternity is a very long time vs the temporary life(this life) of maybe 100 years... that is right. Can you think of anything you could do that would not become utter boredom ater a million years? Ad then what for the next billion years? i imagine that if God has said that former things will pass away that boredom will be one of them....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 2:18:49 GMT -5
ummm that is very close to the real number its more like 50,000. Actually Wally I have to respectfully differ. I will show you what I have been trying to convey to Nathan. You can argue from a very narrow definition of what a denomination is (just any church with a name) or you can zoom out and look at it from the perspective of identifiable sub-groups within a larger group or over-arching denomination, or you can look at it from a 'movement' point of view. There are in fact only about a dozen major 'movements' which each contain a number of church denominations (large) or independent. Let's just take one of the dozen or so major groupings: Anglicanism: And here is Pentecostalism (probably missing a fair few, but still all in one movement) the two images seem to list the same thing...anywho i don't know, all 50k of them are incorporated separately from the parent organization and all of them have their own little doctrines that are different from each other....and if 2x2ism can't come through different organizations through the last 2000 years neither can all 50k be the same either....
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