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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 21, 2019 23:52:30 GMT -5
And wondering why god made mosquitoes! God wants To remind people, this earth is a blood sucking place so look for a better home in heaven, there are no mosquitoes to bother you with Zika Virus. The mosquitoes are a pestilence but usually cities spray every week at night and kill them off. But we have another pestilence that’s hard to kill, you’ve got to get the insecticide right on them or it won’t kill them. It’s the white “thrip” or biting aphid. They’ve come into our area with the tropical plants and flowers. They of course are boxed up to ship and the home insulation companies buy those used boxes to grind up into the blow-in insulation. They think when they spray it they’ve got rid of these aphids but those dudes hides in the corrugation crevices and don’t getvspray on them then they are sprayed into homes with the insulation. Now people are fussing because they’re being bit but they don’t see them. I’ve tried showing them to people but all they see is lint or dust particles! The dermatologist call them “no see-ums”.
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Post by joanna on Aug 21, 2019 23:53:25 GMT -5
nathan . Nathan, do you believe that your God is active in the lives of his followers in present times? Can you explain in plain terms why he does not clear up the confusion amongst Christians? And can you also please explain why he fails to intervene to prevent the abuse and suffering of young children, especially those raised in Christian homes?
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Post by nathan on Aug 22, 2019 1:08:25 GMT -5
nathan . 1) Nathan, do you believe that your God is active in the lives of his followers in present times? ~~ Yes, He/They are as long there are God's servants and people living on earth. Jesus said in John 14:23,16 "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him... And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever."2) Can you explain in plain terms why he/God does not clear up the confusion amongst Christians? Jesus/God explained it In Matthew 13:24-30 24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
But he said, NO! lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
3) And can you also please explain why he fails to intervene to prevent the abuse and suffering of young children, especially those raised in Christian homes? ~~ I don't know the answer to your question. I KNOW from the gospels that Jesus cares VERY much about the welfare of children, if anyone harm these little ones they will get punished severely on this earth and if they don't in this life, He will deal with them in horrible ways, in the Day of Judgement.
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Post by janj on Aug 22, 2019 3:44:14 GMT -5
*** Jesus own words in Matt 7:21-28 NOT everyone who say and teach Lord, Lord have we not prophesied in your name, and in your name done many wonderful works, but I will tell them "Depart from me ye workers of iniquity." They did it their own ways and did not follow Jesus instructions of how he wanted things done HIS ways. You by your own opinion say the workers are and have been wrong not to believe or to teach that Jesus is God the Son! So when people say they believe in Jesus but deny his deity, they ARE the ones who are those whom Jesus will tell “I knew you not.” Because they don’t know him! Jesus told his disciples “If you have seen me, you’ve seen the Father.” But two by twos read right over that and have NO idea what that means. They read in the Bible where it say “God was made manifest in the flesh” but they comprehend it not. Jesus does not know them because they don’t know him! Kind of frightening to think that they are those that “ have an ear but hear not, and have eyes but comprehend not!, and as Jesus said “lest hearing and seeing I would heal them.” So- if people dont believe what you believe regarding God/Jesua they are not saved??
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 9:59:15 GMT -5
You by your own opinion say the workers are and have been wrong not to believe or to teach that Jesus is God the Son! So when people say they believe in Jesus but deny his deity, they ARE the ones who are those whom Jesus will tell “I knew you not.” Because they don’t know him! Jesus told his disciples “If you have seen me, you’ve seen the Father.” But two by twos read right over that and have NO idea what that means. They read in the Bible where it say “God was made manifest in the flesh” but they comprehend it not. Jesus does not know them because they don’t know him! Kind of frightening to think that they are those that “ have an ear but hear not, and have eyes but comprehend not!, and as Jesus said “lest hearing and seeing I would heal them.” So- if people dont believe what you believe regarding God/Jesua they are not saved?? I’ve just become aware that there are people saying they believe in Jesus but they don’t really. They are too reliant on their own deeds to give them salvation, or their faith is in their church, plus how can anyone really know Jesus Christ if they deny his deity. Even the hymns that some sing recognize his deity. Such as “Jesus came from heaven revealing...” Jesus Saviour I will be thine” But yet those who sing those songs deny his deity. So if we don’t “know” who he is; does he really “know” us in spite of our verbalizing we believe in Jesus. Other words we moth the right words but our minds and hearts don’t back up those mouthed words. If we believe in Jesus Christ, that means we accept him as Isaiah said, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulders: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, THE Mighty GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
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Post by nathan on Aug 22, 2019 11:03:30 GMT -5
So- if people dont believe what you believe regarding God/Jesua they are not saved?? According to Nathan yes. People who don't believe what he does and attend the church he goes to are heading to hell. He says many of the workers and those who go to your church also believe that. ** The 2x2 is NOT the ONLY group believes and teaches that but MOST denominations TEACH and believe their sects are going to get to heaven that why you have 40,000 plus denominations today! And they keep on growing more and more every week.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 11:39:44 GMT -5
According to Nathan yes. People who don't believe what he does and attend the church he goes to are heading to hell. He says many of the workers and those who go to your church also believe that. ** The 2x2 is NOT the ONLY group believes and teaches that but MOST denominations TEACH and believe their sects are going to get to heaven that why you have 40,000 plus denominations today! And they keep on growing more and more every week. Most churches I’ve gone to in recent times teach that those who believe in Jesus Christ alone, will be saved.
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Post by snow on Aug 22, 2019 12:02:03 GMT -5
And wondering why god made mosquitoes! God wants To remind people, this earth is a blood sucking place so look for a better home in heaven, there are no mosquitoes to bother you with Zika Virus. LOL trust you to be able to concoct a sermon out of the topic of 'why did God make mosquitoes'! For some reason mosquitoes don't like me. I am just fine with that.
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Post by snow on Aug 22, 2019 12:03:26 GMT -5
God wants To remind people, this earth is a blood sucking place so look for a better home in heaven, there are no mosquitoes to bother you with Zika Virus. The mosquitoes are a pestilence but usually cities spray every week at night and kill them off. But we have another pestilence that’s hard to kill, you’ve got to get the insecticide right on them or it won’t kill them. It’s the white “thrip” or biting aphid. They’ve come into our area with the tropical plants and flowers. They of course are boxed up to ship and the home insulation companies buy those used boxes to grind up into the blow-in insulation. They think when they spray it they’ve got rid of these aphids but those dudes hides in the corrugation crevices and don’t getvspray on them then they are sprayed into homes with the insulation. Now people are fussing because they’re being bit but they don’t see them. I’ve tried showing them to people but all they see is lint or dust particles! The dermatologist call them “no see-ums”. Unfortunately the no seeums seem to like me.
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Post by snow on Aug 22, 2019 12:10:06 GMT -5
nathan . Nathan, do you believe that your God is active in the lives of his followers in present times? Can you explain in plain terms why he does not clear up the confusion amongst Christians? And can you also please explain why he fails to intervene to prevent the abuse and suffering of young children, especially those raised in Christian homes? Well following the same mindset as the mosquitoes are here to remind of us of how much earth sucks and how nice it will be in heaven, I imagine he allows CSA so that people realize just how terrible earth is and how there won't be CSA in heaven... Contrasts are required after all, for us to enjoy the good things we must know what the definition of bad is, right!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 12:18:42 GMT -5
The mosquitoes are a pestilence but usually cities spray every week at night and kill them off. But we have another pestilence that’s hard to kill, you’ve got to get the insecticide right on them or it won’t kill them. It’s the white “thrip” or biting aphid. They’ve come into our area with the tropical plants and flowers. They of course are boxed up to ship and the home insulation companies buy those used boxes to grind up into the blow-in insulation. They think when they spray it they’ve got rid of these aphids but those dudes hides in the corrugation crevices and don’t getvspray on them then they are sprayed into homes with the insulation. Now people are fussing because they’re being bit but they don’t see them. I’ve tried showing them to people but all they see is lint or dust particles! The dermatologist call them “no see-ums”. Unfortunately the no seeums seem to like me. Me too! It’s all the inflammatory reactions that draw them apparently. They think the can siphon that fluid off. But I bet with all my meds few of them survive long! 😉. My blood pressure medicine alone should bottom them out!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 12:20:30 GMT -5
nathan . Nathan, do you believe that your God is active in the lives of his followers in present times? Can you explain in plain terms why he does not clear up the confusion amongst Christians? And can you also please explain why he fails to intervene to prevent the abuse and suffering of young children, especially those raised in Christian homes? Well following the same mindset as the mosquitoes are here to remind of us of how much earth sucks and how nice it will be in heaven, I imagine he allows CSA so that people realize just how terrible earth is and how there won't be CSA in heaven... Contrasts are required after all, for us to enjoy the good things we must know what the definition of bad is, right! Possibly. However we are warned that there would be troubles in the flesh! The waywardness of human lusts is really what’s at fault.
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Post by snow on Aug 22, 2019 12:31:18 GMT -5
Unfortunately the no seeums seem to like me. Me too! It’s all the inflammatory reactions that draw them apparently. They think the can siphon that fluid off. But I bet with all my meds few of them survive long! 😉. My blood pressure medicine alone should bottom them out! LOL
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Post by nathan on Aug 22, 2019 12:31:20 GMT -5
** The 2x2 is NOT the ONLY group believes and teaches that but MOST denominations TEACH and believe their sects are going to get to heaven that why you have 40,000 plus denominations today! And they keep on growing more and more every week. Most churches I’ve gone to in recent times teach that those who believe in Jesus Christ alone, will be saved. ** In your dreams, that is what they want you to believe but it ain't so.
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Post by janj on Aug 22, 2019 12:40:58 GMT -5
So- if people dont believe what you believe regarding God/Jesua they are not saved?? I’ve just become aware that there are people saying they believe in Jesus but they don’t really. They are too reliant on their own deeds to give them salvation, or their faith is in their church, plus how can anyone really know Jesus Christ if they deny his deity. Even the hymns that some sing recognize his deity. Such as “Jesus came from heaven revealing...” Jesus Saviour I will be thine” But yet those who sing those songs deny his deity. So if we don’t “know” who he is; does he really “know” us in spite of our verbalizing we believe in Jesus. Other words we moth the right words but our minds and hearts don’t back up those mouthed words. If we believe in Jesus Christ, that means we accept him as Isaiah said, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulders: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, THE Mighty GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” And I have become very aware lately that we have no idea what is in people's hearts. They can say they believe something they can act as if they believe something but nobody knows what they really think and what they really believe. I've also become very aware lately that it's best not to judge anyone -that's why I'm so glad that is left to God. So many Christians and churches say they are 'not exclusive' as long as people believe as they do!!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 12:57:03 GMT -5
Most churches I’ve gone to in recent times teach that those who believe in Jesus Christ alone, will be saved. ** In your dreams, that is what they want you to believe but it ain't so. Believe in Jesus Christ alone to be saved isn’t so? What kind of Christian are you?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 12:59:20 GMT -5
I’ve just become aware that there are people saying they believe in Jesus but they don’t really. They are too reliant on their own deeds to give them salvation, or their faith is in their church, plus how can anyone really know Jesus Christ if they deny his deity. Even the hymns that some sing recognize his deity. Such as “Jesus came from heaven revealing...” Jesus Saviour I will be thine” But yet those who sing those songs deny his deity. So if we don’t “know” who he is; does he really “know” us in spite of our verbalizing we believe in Jesus. Other words we moth the right words but our minds and hearts don’t back up those mouthed words. If we believe in Jesus Christ, that means we accept him as Isaiah said, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulders: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, THE Mighty GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” And I have become very aware lately that we have no idea what is in people's hearts. They can say they believe something they can act as if they believe something but nobody knows what they really think and what they really believe. I've also become very aware lately that it's best not to judge anyone -that's why I'm so glad that is left to God. So many Christians and churches say they are 'not exclusive' as long as people believe as they do!! Generally that may be so, however there has to be something people see in those with earnest and honest hearts and minds, because they recognize they are godly people. And that’s not always evident by outward appearances!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 13:27:35 GMT -5
Generally that may be so, however there has to be something people see in those with earnest and honest hearts and minds, because they recognize they are godly people. And that’s not always evident by outward appearances! Easy to change the outward to look religious, the pharasees did that. In meetings many women only put their hair up for meeting to appear the part and wear it out the rest of the week. That’s why I said godliness not always apparent by outward appearances. I’ve seen in several times for myself!
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 22, 2019 14:53:20 GMT -5
I too have to take issue with Nathan’s assertion that every one who goes to a different church or denomination condemns everyone outside their group. Just not so.
You only have to go to an inter-denominational convention which I have done a number of times to worship and fellowship together with, for example, people from Baptist, Anglican, Presbyterian, Reformed, Methodist / uniting churches, Pentecostals and others.
I suggest you get out more Nathan.
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Post by nathan on Aug 22, 2019 15:21:09 GMT -5
nathan . Nathan, do you believe that your God is active in the lives of his followers in present times? Can you explain in plain terms why he does not clear up the confusion amongst Christians? And can you also please explain why he fails to intervene to prevent the abuse and suffering of young children, especially those raised in Christian homes? Well following the same mindset as the mosquitoes are here to remind of us of how much earth sucks and how nice it will be in heaven, I imagine he allows CSA so that people realize just how terrible earth is and how there won't be CSA in heaven... Contrasts are required after all, for us to enjoy the good things we must know what the definition of bad is, right! ** God wants to show revealed and show us this earth is belong to Satan and 1/3 of the fallen angels kingdom and they rule the planet with an iron fists with confusion and chaotic, their world. The fallen humans are their slaves and their souls belong to Satan/the Serpent, he can do whatever he wants with them. Satan gives The fallen humans to feed the lust of their flesh and desires to the fullest because he wants them to be with him in HELL and they will not able to RULE and REIGN with Christ during the 1000 yr on the earth.
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Post by nathan on Aug 22, 2019 15:29:14 GMT -5
I too have to take issue with Nathan’s assertion that every one who goes to a different church or denomination condemns everyone outside their group. Just not so. You only have to go to an inter-denominational convention which I have done a number of times to worship and fellowship together with, for example, people from Baptist, Anglican, Presbyterian, Reformed, Methodist / uniting churches, Pentecostals and others. I suggest you get out more Nathan. ** They have tried it for a long time with all denominations unite as ONE, they might say on the surface they are ONE now. However, behind the scene they don't get along at all. Even the Pope tried to get along with all religions under the RCC rules, it will not happen.
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 22, 2019 16:08:43 GMT -5
Why am I not surprised Nathan that you cannot accept at face value what I am sharing from my experience.
I work and pray with other Christians from different denominations. We get visitors at church some Sundays from other denominations who pop in to fellowship with us. My wife works as a fully -accredited generic Christian chaplain in a Catholic hospital. She often leads prayer meetings with other chaplains who come from at least 8 different denominations. They all serve everyone, Christian or not, whether from ‘their’ denomination or not. They are all there for one reason, to serve others. They are there to sit alongside and encourage others at their most vulnerable, and often, tragic moments, not to preach at anyone.
I am telling you what is my lived experience. I can’t do more than that.
if you never get outside your bubble you can assert any old rubbish.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 16:52:45 GMT -5
Well following the same mindset as the mosquitoes are here to remind of us of how much earth sucks and how nice it will be in heaven, I imagine he allows CSA so that people realize just how terrible earth is and how there won't be CSA in heaven... Contrasts are required after all, for us to enjoy the good things we must know what the definition of bad is, right! ** God wants to show revealed and show us this earth is belong to Satan and 1/3 of the fallen angels kingdom and they rule the planet with an iron fists with confusion and chaotic, their world. The fallen humans are their slaves and their souls belong to Satan/the Serpent, he can do whatever he wants with them. Satan gives The fallen humans to feed the lust of their flesh and desires to the fullest because he wants them to be with him in HELL and they will not able to RULE and REIGN with Christ during the 1000 yr on the earth. You’re wrong about Satan’s intent and purpose with gaining people away from Jesus/God. It has nothing to do with him wanting them with himself at all! It has to do to do spite to God to show God he can be God too! Satan could care less about people in any way, shape or form. He’s narcissistic just like some other person who is in love with themselves and sees themself as “the chosen one.”
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Post by nathan on Aug 22, 2019 17:45:52 GMT -5
** God wants to show revealed and show us this earth is belong to Satan and 1/3 of the fallen angels kingdom and they rule the planet with an iron fists with confusion and chaotic, their world. The fallen humans are their slaves and their souls belong to Satan/the Serpent, he can do whatever he wants with them. Satan gives The fallen humans to feed the lust of their flesh and desires to the fullest because he wants them to be with him in HELL and they will not able to RULE and REIGN with Christ during the 1000 yr on the earth. You’re wrong about Satan’s intent and purpose with gaining people away from Jesus/God. It has nothing to do with him wanting them with himself at all! It has to do to do spite to God to show God he can be God too! Satan could care less about people in any way, shape or form. He’s narcissistic just like some other person who is in love with themselves and sees themself as “the chosen one.” *** WHY? Do you think Satan/Serpent deceived Eve and Adam into sin of disobedience to God's words NOT to eat the forbidden fruit/no association/fellowship with Satan= death naturally and spiritually. Well, the unbelievers souls will spend eternity with Satan in the lake of fire.
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Post by nathan on Aug 22, 2019 17:49:40 GMT -5
Why am I not surprised Nathan that you cannot accept at face value what I am sharing from my experience. I work and pray with other Christians from different denominations. We get visitors at church some Sundays from other denominations who pop in to fellowship with us. My wife works as a fully -accredited generic Christian chaplain in a Catholic hospital. She often leads prayer meetings with other chaplains who come from at least 8 different denominations. They all serve everyone, Christian or not, whether from ‘their’ denomination or not. They are all there for one reason, to serve others. They are there to sit alongside and encourage others at their most vulnerable, and often, tragic moments, not to preach at anyone. I am telling you what is my lived experience. I can’t do more than that. if you never get outside your bubble you can assert any old rubbish. ** I had been where you are so I KNOW the things you talk about and experiencing. I know those feelings and the desire for unity among the 40,000 plus denominations. Here is my understanding... There are 1/3 of the fallen angels living on/in the earth and they want the humans to worship them as God. So, how are they going to do that? They are going to deceive the fallen humans worshing false religions, false churches making them to believe they are worshing God all along. Satan an fallen angels are creators of false religions and false churches.They are the masters of God's Truth and Way counterfeiters.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 17:52:52 GMT -5
You’re wrong about Satan’s intent and purpose with gaining people away from Jesus/God. It has nothing to do with him wanting them with himself at all! It has to do to do spite to God to show God he can be God too! Satan could care less about people in any way, shape or form. He’s narcissistic just like some other person who is in love with themselves and sees themself as “the chosen one.” *** WHY? Do you think Satan/Serpent deceived Eve and Adam into sin of disobedience to God's words NOT to eat the forbidden fruit/no association/fellowship with Satan= death naturally and spiritually. Well, the unbelievers souls will spend eternity with Satan in the lake of fire. That’s not why he deceived them! Sstan’s Whole gig was about being god in place of the Father God. You can understand that in his tempting Jesus in the wilderness. He used God’s own words against him. He’d won a big coup if he’d caused Jesus to do what Satan asked him to do by using God’s word against him but Jesus best him at his own game for he answered him with God’s words.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 22, 2019 17:55:45 GMT -5
The mosquito has been around since the Jurassic pefiod or about 210 million years. That is a bit longer than your god who was only invented about 6000 years ago.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2019 17:56:05 GMT -5
Why am I not surprised Nathan that you cannot accept at face value what I am sharing from my experience. I work and pray with other Christians from different denominations. We get visitors at church some Sundays from other denominations who pop in to fellowship with us. My wife works as a fully -accredited generic Christian chaplain in a Catholic hospital. She often leads prayer meetings with other chaplains who come from at least 8 different denominations. They all serve everyone, Christian or not, whether from ‘their’ denomination or not. They are all there for one reason, to serve others. They are there to sit alongside and encourage others at their most vulnerable, and often, tragic moments, not to preach at anyone. I am telling you what is my lived experience. I can’t do more than that. if you never get outside your bubble you can assert any old rubbish. ** I had been where you are so I KNOW the things you talk about and experienced. I know those feelings and the desire for unity among the 40,000 plus denominations. There should be unity if all came to like faith in Jesus Christ as God’s Son and in him alone and not be having their faith in their church or faith they can work their way to eternal life. There will be God’s chosen come together in unity of faith unto the stature and knowledge of God’s Son.
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