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Post by joanna on Aug 20, 2019 22:22:07 GMT -5
Over my time of being involved in this forum, I have noticed what impresses as being an interesting theme.
Those people who were once members of the 2x2 group and have left, but remained Christians, generally seem to be shy about revealing the identity of the group or church they now meet with.
I recall being admonished for publishing the contact of the church of one such person.
If we are prepared to label the 2x2's as being secretive; isolated; wanting to keep under the radar and so on, then why do ex-2x2 Christians overwhelmingly suppress the identity of their Christian church (replace the term "church" with your preferred term)?
To assist the members of this forum, can the Christians who contribute please provide the church (group or whatever) they are now following?
This would surely help 2x2's to determine how their own church compares with the churches that each ex-2x2 believes to be a satisfactory alternative.
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Post by nathan on Aug 20, 2019 22:36:03 GMT -5
Over my time of being involved in this forum, I have noticed what impresses as being an interesting theme. Those people who were once members of the 2x2 group and have left, but remained Christians, generally seem to be shy about revealing the identity of the group or church they now meet with. I recall being admonished for publishing the contact of the church of one such person. If we are prepared to label the 2x2's as being secretive; isolated; wanting to keep under the radar and so on, then why do ex-2x2 Christians overwhelmingly suppress the identity of their Christian church (replace the term "church" with your preferred term)? To assist the members of this forum, can the Christians who contribute please provide the church (group or whatever) they are now following? This would surely help 2x2's to determine how their own church compares with the churches that each ex-2x2 believes to be a satisfactory alternative. They like to poke and condemn the 2x2s for being blinds, they don't want the 2x2s to poke back if they don't KNOW which church/denomination they go to. How can they condemn 2x2s as a cult when they got into bigger CULT themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 22:53:17 GMT -5
Over my time of being involved in this forum, I have noticed what impresses as being an interesting theme. Those people who were once members of the 2x2 group and have left, but remained Christians, generally seem to be shy about revealing the identity of the group or church they now meet with. I recall being admonished for publishing the contact of the church of one such person. If we are prepared to label the 2x2's as being secretive; isolated; wanting to keep under the radar and so on, then why do ex-2x2 Christians overwhelmingly suppress the identity of their Christian church (replace the term "church" with your preferred term)? To assist the members of this forum, can the Christians who contribute please provide the church (group or whatever) they are now following? This would surely help 2x2's to determine how their own church compares with the churches that each ex-2x2 believes to be a satisfactory alternative. they don't want to face the same criticisms of their current church that they throw at the 2x2 church....
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 20, 2019 23:09:33 GMT -5
Sounds like they're justified in feeling that way. Anything positive you guys might say about it?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 20, 2019 23:14:26 GMT -5
That’s not true!
The reason is most still have family and close friends in the 2x2s. If those families found out they were going to a “false” church there’d be no end of condemnation for the ex 2x2. Just look at how Nathan has condemned them to a lost eternity and most of us don’t appreciate that! It’s the way the 2x2s do spiritual killing and kill close relationships between family members.
It’s sad that it happens because when there’s condemnation to a lost eternity then they who do that are facing very stiff judgment themselves.
As to what I believe about 2x2s is there will be some that will know eternal life, but only some. Exactly the same way amongst any other Christian church.
It’s what is in the heart that Jesus judges on and there are people who say they believe in Jesus Christ, but if they don’t believe he is God manifested in the flesh then they deny their faith. So many Christians and 2x2s are amongst the worst is their faith is in their church not Jesus Christ. JMO
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 23:21:31 GMT -5
That’s not true! The reason is most still have family and close friends in the 2x2s. If those families found out they were going to a “false” church there’d be no end of condemnation for the ex 2x2. Just look at how Nathan has condemned them to a lost eternity and most of us don’t appreciate that! It’s the way the 2x2s do spiritual killing and kill close relationships between family members. It’s sad that it happens because when there’s condemnation to a lost eternity then they who do that are facing very stiff judgment themselves. As to what I believe about 2x2s is there will be some that will know eternal life, but only some. Exactly the same way amongst any other Christian church. It’s what is in the heart that Jesus judges on and there are people who say they believe in Jesus Christ, but if they don’t believe he is God manifested in the flesh then they reign their faith. So many Christians and 2x2s are amongst the worst is their faith is in their church not Jesus Christ. JMO cop out....ex's have already left the truth and have already been condemned from the get go or at least according to ex's testimonies on here...whats best is being honest and not deliberately omitting information for the debate to be balanced and fair...
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Post by nathan on Aug 20, 2019 23:27:22 GMT -5
Sounds like they're justified in feeling that way. Anything positive you guys might say about it? Yea, REPENT before it too late.... or to suffer the horrible ETERNAL consequences. Peter wrote in I Peter 4:17-18 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Jude 5-15 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
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Post by joanna on Aug 20, 2019 23:28:20 GMT -5
sharingtherichesIf fear of 2x2 condemnation was the reason, then how is that consistent with writing anything negative about the 2x2 grp? Ex but still Christians have written books, introduced websites ... to inform readers of the perceived issues with the 2x2 group. By revealing a willingness to publish their negative views of the 2x2 grp, they are also revealing a lack of concern about the opinions and reactions of the 2x2's. The natural consequence of criticising one church is surely an enthusiasm to inform the name and contact details of the church/grp they are now members of. Why keep this a secret?
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Post by slowtosee on Aug 20, 2019 23:39:01 GMT -5
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Contents 1 Bibliography 2 Additional Information 2.1 Christian Fellowship Church Pastors 2.2 Christian Fellowship Church Membership 3 Map 4 Cite This Article
Christmas choir practice led by Bernie Thiessen on 7 December 2007. Former pastors Ferlin Abrahamson (back row second from the left) and Harold Thiessen (third from the left). Photo taken by Terry Smith. The Christian Fellowship Church in Birch River, Manitoba began in 1970, when the Mafeking Evangelical Mennonite Church, located 20 miles farther north, decided to meet in Birch River because of its more central location. The church was first known as the Christian Fellowship Centre but changed its name to Christian Fellowship Church in 1988. The language of worship was English. Services were first held in Birch River in the United Church building. The congregation formally organized in 1971 under the Evangelical Mennonite Conference when Andrew Friesen was the pastor. Ralph and Mary Lynn Unger took over the pastorate in 1972. When Ralph Unger returned Steinbach Bible Institute for further training in 1980-1981, Leroy Friesen filled in the pastorate role. Financially supported by Christian Fellowship Church and the Evangelical Mennonite Conference, Ralph Unger, a trained teacher, supplemented his income by driving a school bus and substitute teaching. Ben Kroeker, who had been a deacon in the Rosenort Evangelical Mennonite Church, moved to the area in 1971 with his wife Helen, and began to serve as a deacon in Birch River. Building construction was started in 1975 and the building was occupied in June 1976. For a time, the church had a manse a mile out of town. John and Becky Hiebert served as the pastoral couple from 1986-1989. Ferlin Abrahamson, a graduate of Nipawin Bible Institute and raised in Pelly Fellowship Chapel, served as pastor for many years. He was partly self-supporting, working as a farm hand. Glen and Betty Koop served as an interim pastoral couple from January to December 2008. Harold Thiessen, a local farmer who had studied at Steinbach Bible Institute, served as pastor from 2009-2012. When Harold Thiessen moved to Kleefeld after 2012, the congregation continued without a formal pastor. Ferlin Abrahamson informally functioned as the pastor. Ferlin and Elizabeth Abrahamson’s daughter Bethany Matejka, a graduate of Canadian Mennonite University, served as congregational chair. The area’s population decline has resulted in fewer farms and less people attending Christian Fellowship Church in Birch River, but in 2017 the church still held weekly services – often with guest speakers or a video series. A key ministry was still the Steeprock Bay Bible Camp, supported by a thrift store in Birch River. Christian Fellowship Church served as an evangelical church for the area. Bibliography Schellenberg, Dave. “Church Profile: Birch River, Manitoba, Christian Fellowship Center.” The Messenger (27 July 1984): 2-4. Smith, Terry. “Christian Fellowship Church: More Strengths than Challenges.” The Messenger (19 December 2007): 17-18. Additional Information Address: 202 Third St., Birch River, Manitoba Phone: 204-236-4370 Website: Christian Fellowship Church Denominational Affiliation: Evangelical Mennonite Conference Christian Fellowship Church Pastors Minister Years Andrew Friesen 1970-1972 Ralph and Mary Lynn Unger 1972-1980, 1981-1985 Leroy Friesen 1980-1981 John and Becky Hiebert 1986-1989 Ferlin and Elizabeth Abrahamson 1990-2006 Glen and Betty Koop 2008 Harold and Laura Thiessen 2009-2012 Christian Fellowship Church Membership Year Members 1970 13 1975 29 1980 32 1985 34 1990 40 1995 48 2000 62 2005 60 2010 53 2015 53 Map Map:Christian Fellowship Church (Birch River, Manitoba)
Author(s) Terry Smith Date Published June 2017
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 20, 2019 23:40:01 GMT -5
Sounds like they're justified in feeling that way. Anything positive you guys might say about it? Yea, REPENT before it too late.... or to suffer the consequences. Peter wrote in I Peter 4:17-18 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Jude 5-15 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
So why did you like the request for their new denomination? Stop the condemning suggestions if you really want to know their answer.
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Post by nathan on Aug 21, 2019 0:21:52 GMT -5
Yea, REPENT before it too late.... or to suffer the consequences. Peter wrote in I Peter 4:17-18 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Jude 5-15 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
So why did you like the request for their new denomination? Stop the condemning suggestions if you really want to know their answer. Help them to understand that they believe they have been set FREE from the 2x2s, which they believe is a Cult but have jumped into the BIGGER fire/cults and don't KNOW it. They believe they were deliver from the 2x2 started by man William Irvine but what they don't get it that they gotten/tangled in a BIGGER MAZE of Satan's false spider webs of false religions, or the 40,000 plus forms denominations of Christianity.
Satan's web of deceit like a CRAZY MAZE there is ONLY one way out of it, there are so MANY ways which lead to a DEAD END roads. People just go round and round the merry go round. It takes the Holy Spirit to get people out of Satan's religious Maze.
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Post by joanna on Aug 21, 2019 0:35:54 GMT -5
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 21, 2019 1:17:11 GMT -5
Hi Joanna, I don't think I have ever been 'shy' or 'suppressed' my current church affiliation. Firstly, I consider myself a generic Christian believer (evangelical if you want to get pedantic). Secondly, our family currently worships and fellowships as part of a Baptist community/congregation called North Canberra Baptist Church, part of the Baptist Churches (network) of NSW and the ACT in Australia (2013 - present). It is an inner city church, very multi-cultural and with wide socio-economic demography. In fact one of our members is an adjunct Professor of Demography at the ANU. Our family picks up and drops off a disabled man who is also 'on the spectrum' every Sunday. So...diverse. We initially fellowshipped at a much bigger Baptist church from 2000 - 2012. We came to the smaller church to help build it up as the numbers were down. It has actually grown a lot in the last five years. Here is the website for the church we attend now: www.ncbc.org.au/ Here is the website for the church we used to attend: mosaicbaptist.org.au/ The one we attend now is much smaller in numbers and more 'traditional' in style. I like both traditional and contemporary styles. Also, we frequently meet up with folk from the church community we used to be part of every Sunday. We have just 'moved meetings'. Anything else you want to know?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 21, 2019 6:51:17 GMT -5
That’s not true! The reason is most still have family and close friends in the 2x2s. If those families found out they were going to a “false” church there’d be no end of condemnation for the ex 2x2. Just look at how Nathan has condemned them to a lost eternity and most of us don’t appreciate that! It’s the way the 2x2s do spiritual killing and kill close relationships between family members. It’s sad that it happens because when there’s condemnation to a lost eternity then they who do that are facing very stiff judgment themselves. As to what I believe about 2x2s is there will be some that will know eternal life, but only some. Exactly the same way amongst any other Christian church. It’s what is in the heart that Jesus judges on and there are people who say they believe in Jesus Christ, but if they don’t believe he is God manifested in the flesh then they reign their faith. So many Christians and 2x2s are amongst the worst is their faith is in their church not Jesus Christ. JMO cop out....ex's have already left the truth and have already been condemned from the get go or at least according to ex's testimonies on here...whats best is being honest and not deliberately omitting information for the debate to be balanced and fair... Nathan’s very next post is the purest example of an ongoing slaughter of condemnation. That kind of condemnation not only does spiritual killing, it destroys families. Furthermore it drives people farther and farther away, if the person doing the verbal slaying thinks it’s to make people repent. Who in their right mind wants to sit or stand still for such Bible bashing in such severe critical tones. I’m telling you this because the 2x2s are the farthest church from offering peace much less salvation. They show NO love when they attack people like Nathan attacked Bob.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 21, 2019 7:01:09 GMT -5
sharingtherichesIf fear of 2x2 condemnation was the reason, then how is that consistent with writing anything negative about the 2x2 grp? Ex but still Christians have written books, introduced websites ... to inform readers of the perceived issues with the 2x2 group. By revealing a willingness to publish their negative views of the 2x2 grp, they are also revealing a lack of concern about the opinions and reactions of the 2x2's. The natural consequence of criticising one church is surely an enthusiasm to inform the name and contact details of the church/grp they are now members of. Why keep this a secret? You asked why not name your church. You should know the 2x2s well enough that as long as they think you’re a free person from other churches, you’re liable to come back to 2x2ism.. However when they(or some) hear what church you’ve joined then they KNOW for a certainty you’re hell-bound. For myself, I don’t belong to any particular church and my reason is that I want my professing relatives to learn that God has the power to save his elect wherever they may be and by whatever avenue of aide God chooses. The reason Im strong on that point is I have a cousin who doesn’t go to any particular church either and I believe she is as much saved as any 2x2 can hope to be. God will save his elect and it won’t always be by a 2x2 workers or any other Christian ministry. God is into saving his elect through his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. And no, I’m not talking about not fellowshipping.
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Post by nathan on Aug 21, 2019 8:06:03 GMT -5
cop out....ex's have already left the truth and have already been condemned from the get go or at least according to ex's testimonies on here...whats best is being honest and not deliberately omitting information for the debate to be balanced and fair... Nathan’s very next post is the purest example of an ongoing slaughter of condemnation. That kind of condemnation not only does spiritual killing, it destroys families. Furthermore it drives people farther and farther away, if the person doing the verbal slaying thinks it’s to make people repent. Who in their right mind wants to sit or stand still for such Bible bashing in such severe critical tones. I’m telling you this because the 2x2s are the farthest church from offering peace much less salvation. They show NO love when they attack people like Nathan attacked Bob. BobW asked me and Wally a question so, I answered him truthfully and honestly. That was NO attacked against him, that is your OWN opinion came from your own head and you ATTACKING me.
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Post by rational on Aug 21, 2019 8:34:19 GMT -5
cop out....ex's have already left the truth and have already been condemned from the get go or at least according to ex's testimonies on here...whats best is being honest and not deliberately omitting information for the debate to be balanced and fair... I don't think it is a cop out. Leaving a church is one thing but joining a church that is considered 'false' is not only a betrayal in the leaving but a statement that "I think you are wrong." in the minds of those who remain. Leaving as an atheist is probably easier because you reject not only the beliefs of the denomination but the beliefs of the religion. Personally my family interacts with many professing people and so far have not had negative experiences except from an occasional young child who is parroting what they hear. Of course, I have no idea what is said when we are not around but then, I don't really care. Setting clear 'ground rules' from the start has made things easier.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 21, 2019 8:48:09 GMT -5
Nathan’s very next post is the purest example of an ongoing slaughter of condemnation. That kind of condemnation not only does spiritual killing, it destroys families. Furthermore it drives people farther and farther away, if the person doing the verbal slaying thinks it’s to make people repent. Who in their right mind wants to sit or stand still for such Bible bashing in such severe critical tones. I’m telling you this because the 2x2s are the farthest church from offering peace much less salvation. They show NO love when they attack people like Nathan attacked Bob. BobW asked me and Wally a question so, I answered him truthfully and honestly. That was NO attacked against him, that is your OWN opinion came from your own head and you ATTACKING me.Nathan, you’ve been very strong in condemning any ex 2x2s and those who’ve joined other churches you’ve berated the hardest using scriptures to justify your condemnation.
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Post by Dennis J on Aug 21, 2019 10:51:29 GMT -5
Living daily with a believer, who, like every member of the 2&2, chooses where and when to attend. Now since they attend the church group of their choice, why shouldn’t she? Or me, why not give everyone that freedom?
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Post by Lee on Aug 21, 2019 11:03:01 GMT -5
The context in which Elizabeth didn't want to tell you what church she attends is your hostility to religious people in general.
I really don't give two sh-'s how much you hate god or think you do.
After leaving the 2x2 I knit in with a little micro community led by my late FIL. He was good with ideas, but fallible.
After that I attended first Baptist Church in elk Grove CA. Now they're called creekside Christian Church of elk Grove. I even became employed by them to do operations and custodial work.
Creekside Christian Church is Christ centered. Somewhere along the line I acquired more Jewish blood than Christian blood. What I mean by that is that I'm more interested in the role of politics and culture as a means of emancipation from sin.
After ones emancipated, one needs something to do, right? One needs to live out their salvation? Helping others embark upon their personal emancipation from sin isnt my forte, per se.
Two years ago I took a job out of the area and I work weekends so I don't get back to church much.
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Post by nathan on Aug 21, 2019 11:35:15 GMT -5
BobW asked me and Wally a question so, I answered him truthfully and honestly. That was NO attacked against him, that is your OWN opinion came from your own head and you ATTACKING me. Nathan, you’ve been very strong in condemning any ex 2x2s and those who’ve joined other churches you’ve berated the hardest using scriptures to justify your condemnation. ** I am NOT the only 2x2 doing it but most workers and current believe the same as I do. Back in 1907 most workers and the friends excommunicated John Long 2x2 worker for sending his 2x2 converts to join the churches of their choice ONLY one professing man stood by John long. So, I am NOT the only onethat believe it but most current workers and the friend believe the same way. If any 2x2 workers today sending their 2x2 converts to join the churches of their choice will be EXCOMMUNICATE from the ministry.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 21, 2019 12:18:29 GMT -5
Nathan, you’ve been very strong in condemning any ex 2x2s and those who’ve joined other churches you’ve berated the hardest using scriptures to justify your condemnation. ** I am NOT the only 2x2 doing it but most workers and current believe the same as I do. Back in 1907 most workers and the friends excommunicated John Long 2x2 worker for sending his 2x2 converts to join the churches of their choice ONLY one professing man stood by John long. So, I am NOT the only onethat believe it but most current workers and the friend believe the same way. If any 2x2 workers today sending their 2x2 converts to join the churches of their choice will be EXCOMMUNICATE from the ministry. No one is sending any ex 2x2s to any church, it’s that free will you and Wally scream about when I’ve tried to tell about many are called but few are chosen! You cannot accept that God’s Will will be done regardless of what you or Wally or any other two by two believes. You do not accept the fact God has power that is beyond our comprehension and that by his wisdom, knowledge, and understanding he WILL save his elect even without the two by twos! He did it nearly 2000 years before the two by twos became a church. Which they didn’t intend to at first!
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Post by breakfree on Aug 21, 2019 12:41:04 GMT -5
Over my time of being involved in this forum, I have noticed what impresses as being an interesting theme. Those people who were once members of the 2x2 group and have left, but remained Christians, generally seem to be shy about revealing the identity of the group or church they now meet with. I recall being admonished for publishing the contact of the church of one such person. If we are prepared to label the 2x2's as being secretive; isolated; wanting to keep under the radar and so on, then why do ex-2x2 Christians overwhelmingly suppress the identity of their Christian church (replace the term "church" with your preferred term)? To assist the members of this forum, can the Christians who contribute please provide the church (group or whatever) they are now following? This would surely help 2x2's to determine how their own church compares with the churches that each ex-2x2 believes to be a satisfactory alternative. Joanna, the only alternative is finding God and believing in Him..no church or human being can fill the void of the soul..you can go here and there and still come up empty because we need to connect with our Creator..to find our true purpose of life
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Post by breakfree on Aug 21, 2019 12:52:55 GMT -5
You will also understand that we are all God' s creation and we will learn to love each other as God loves THE WORLD
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 21, 2019 13:08:48 GMT -5
Nathan, you’ve been very strong in condemning any ex 2x2s and those who’ve joined other churches you’ve berated the hardest using scriptures to justify your condemnation. ** I am NOT the only 2x2 doing it but most workers and current believe the same as I do. Back in 1907 most workers and the friends excommunicated John Long 2x2 worker for sending his 2x2 converts to join the churches of their choice ONLY one professing man stood by John long. So, I am NOT the only onethat believe it but most current workers and the friend believe the same way. If any 2x2 workers today sending their 2x2 converts to join the churches of their choice will be EXCOMMUNICATE from the ministry. I’m very sad that any two by two feels called upon to berate and condemn anyone especially ex2x2s. Do you not know with what Judgment you mete out it will return unto you? If you want to keep people’s Minds and hearts turned toward your church, don’t berate and condemn them because anybody that is a Christian knows your powers of condemnation only last for this life and the Just Judge is the judge in the end. If you would preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and not declare the gospel to be the ministry and the meetings in the home, you might gain more members but people are able to discern for themselves straight out of the Bible that IT WAS Jesus who died for our sins and not the self/effacing workers!.
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Post by janj on Aug 21, 2019 13:09:38 GMT -5
cop out....ex's have already left the truth and have already been condemned from the get go or at least according to ex's testimonies on here...whats best is being honest and not deliberately omitting information for the debate to be balanced and fair... Nathan’s very next post is the purest example of an ongoing slaughter of condemnation. That kind of condemnation not only does spiritual killing, it destroys families. Furthermore it drives people farther and farther away, if the person doing the verbal slaying thinks it’s to make people repent. Who in their right mind wants to sit or stand still for such Bible bashing in such severe critical tones. I’m telling you this because the 2x2s are the farthest church from offering peace much less salvation. They show NO love when they attack people like Nathan attacked Bob. That is a particularly harsh call. Nathan is NOT the spokesman for the 2x2 church. Gratu doesn't seem to have any particular church either, and appears to be in a similar situation to yourself but imagine if I judged you by his posts? I have never seen or experienced what people posted on here regarding the 2 x 2s. Within my family and family friend group we have such a mixture of believers and non believers including those that attend the 2x2 church and those that now attend other churches. Sure there is a silent division because we don't all share the same values, but there is absolutely no condemnation, shunning the nastiness that I read about here. Our friends and family show the same love to all. Maybe NZ is different.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 21, 2019 13:12:08 GMT -5
Nathan’s very next post is the purest example of an ongoing slaughter of condemnation. That kind of condemnation not only does spiritual killing, it destroys families. Furthermore it drives people farther and farther away, if the person doing the verbal slaying thinks it’s to make people repent. Who in their right mind wants to sit or stand still for such Bible bashing in such severe critical tones. I’m telling you this because the 2x2s are the farthest church from offering peace much less salvation. They show NO love when they attack people like Nathan attacked Bob. That is a particularly harsh call. Nathan is NOT the spokesman for the 2x2 church. Gratu doesn't seem to have any particular church either, and appears to be in a similar situation to yourself but imagine if I judged you by his posts? I have never seen or experienced what people posted on here regarding the 2 x 2s. Within my family and family friend group we have such a mixture of believers and non believers including those that attend the 2x2 church and those that now attend other churches. Sure there is a silent division because we don't all share the same values, but there is absolutely no condemnation, shunning the nastiness that I read about here. Our friends and family show the same love to all. Maybe NZ is different. Sometimes it has to be faced! The two by twos are far from the only true church. Far! I’ve had family members with the same spirit of berating and better then you, Nathan and Wally put out.
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Post by hoosierveteran on Aug 21, 2019 13:13:11 GMT -5
I go to Outlook Christian Church in McCordsville, Indiana. I get a lot out of the sermons and enjoy our 3rd Saturday Men's breakfast. All sinners are welcomed. I help new people on their first time to the church. I ,being an ex 2x2, was worried about having a tattoo on my arm and a big beard. They accepted me and are glad to have me. Some of the friends use Outlook's sports leagues for their kids that play volleyball and soccer. Outlook.org
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