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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 4:02:28 GMT -5
eternity is a very long time vs the temporary life(this life) of maybe 100 years... that is right. Can you think of anything you could do that would not become utter boredom ater a million years? Ad then what for the next billion years? I think your mind might be still holding ideas and thoughts regarding heaven and eternity that were placed there when you were young.
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Post by Dennis J on Aug 23, 2019 4:17:47 GMT -5
One experience possible to know is learning. When I enjoyed my experience whatever it was, I perceived it much like the greatest learning experience of my life to date at that moment. Correct or not, it gave me a few moments of joy and I look forward to returning to everlasting learning.
Boring? While it may be for a finite mind restricted still, it is not in the least for this old fool! It is something I look eagerly forward to in my perception of an everlasting eternal realm! Before my experience, I had absolutely no concept of a future eternity. Since, I can hardly wait!
So, such is my view as once being a USCG O-5 Master Instructor in Navigation, trig, Boating Skills and Seamanship, which departing students always (meaning every time without fail) overwhelmingly reported having fun learning, some reportedly anyway, for the very first time in their entire lives!
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Post by rational on Aug 23, 2019 10:16:08 GMT -5
that is right. Can you think of anything you could do that would not become utter boredom ater a million years? Ad then what for the next billion years? You think hearing all genre of music at one time would be boring. It doesn’t even come close to cacophony so one witness has said. I’d be in thrall to discover how that can be. Likely take several eons for me to find that out. One witness? As in someone who has experienced this in heaven? In any case - so it takes you eons to find out. But then there are endless eons following that.
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Post by rational on Aug 23, 2019 10:27:32 GMT -5
that is right. Can you think of anything you could do that would not become utter boredom after a million years? Ad then what for the next billion years? I think your mind might be still holding ideas and thoughts regarding heaven and eternity that were placed there when you were young. Perhaps you can post some examples of an existence that spans forever that will continue to be worthwhile. The concepts of heaven are on the bible. According to Isaiah 65:21 the saved will be builders and the managers of vineyards (They shall build houses and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit). Trying to imagine the joy in pruning grape vines for the next 50 million years. I am guessing others have better examples.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 23, 2019 10:28:25 GMT -5
You think hearing all genre of music at one time would be boring. It doesn’t even come close to cacophony so one witness has said. I’d be in thrall to discover how that can be. Likely take several eons for me to find that out. One witness? As in someone who has experienced this in heaven? In any case - so it takes you eons to find out. But then there are endless eons following that. Oh there’ll be a lot more discoveries for me, Im sure. If all things are possible with God, I’m sure my curiosity will be ever in the look/out! 😃
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 23, 2019 10:30:17 GMT -5
I think your mind might be still holding ideas and thoughts regarding heaven and eternity that were placed there when you were young. Perhaps you can post some examples of an existence that spans forever that will continue to be worthwhile. The concepts of heaven are on the bible. According to Isaiah 65:21 the saved will be builders and the managers of vineyards (They shall build houses and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit). Trying to imagine the joy in pruning grape vines for the next 50 million years. I am guessing others have better examples. Not my question, but have you ever pruned grapes vines? Quite an art to it, if you look to have a heavy harvest! And depends on what kind of grapes you’re pruning as to how to prune them! Besides the instant gratification of reaping grapes besides the sought-for end product. Picking grapes is great because your meal is right there as you pick!
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Post by rational on Aug 23, 2019 10:35:37 GMT -5
Perhaps you can post some examples of an existence that spans forever that will continue to be worthwhile. The concepts of heaven are on the bible. According to Isaiah 65:21 the saved will be builders and the managers of vineyards (They shall build houses and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit). Trying to imagine the joy in pruning grape vines for the next 50 million years. I am guessing others have better examples. Not my question, but have you ever pruned grapes vines? Quite an art to it, if you look to have a heavy harvest! And depends on what kind of grapes you’re pruning as to how to prune them! Besides the instant gratification of reaping grapes besides the sought-for end product. Picking grapes is great because your meal is right there as you pick! 10 million years of grapes for lunch...
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Post by snow on Aug 23, 2019 12:44:01 GMT -5
You think hearing all genre of music at one time would be boring. It doesn’t even come close to cacophony so one witness has said. I’d be in thrall to discover how that can be. Likely take several eons for me to find that out. One witness? As in someone who has experienced this in heaven? In any case - so it takes you eons to find out. But then there are endless eons following that. Exactly. Anything 'forever' can't help but get really old at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 12:49:21 GMT -5
One witness? As in someone who has experienced this in heaven? In any case - so it takes you eons to find out. But then there are endless eons following that. Exactly. Anything 'forever' can't help but get really old at some point. you looking at it from a fleshly concern in heaven you will be changed into a spirit....
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Post by snow on Aug 23, 2019 13:45:15 GMT -5
Exactly. Anything 'forever' can't help but get really old at some point. you looking at it from a fleshly concern in heaven you will be changed into a spirit.... No I'm not looking at it as a 'fleshly concern'. I am looking at it from a consciousness concern. I don't think you lose your consciousness when we become a spirit do you? It would be interesting for awhile I'm sure if we could just keep learning and experiencing things, but even that after a very long time would get tedious I think. Forever is a very long time unless you're kept completely oblivious and unconscious. That's how I see it.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 23, 2019 14:30:17 GMT -5
you looking at it from a fleshly concern in heaven you will be changed into a spirit.... No I'm not looking at it as a 'fleshly concern'. I am looking at it from a consciousness concern. I don't think you lose your consciousness when we become a spirit do you? It would be interesting for awhile I'm sure if we could just keep learning and experiencing things, but even that after a very long time would get tedious I think. Forever is a very long time unless you're kept completely oblivious and unconscious. That's how I see it. The Bible speaks about the saints entering into their eternal “ rest”. Now it’d be kinda like retirees thatve spent their lifespan working and learning everyday. But then they retire and soon grow tired of the lack of activity like what they’ve been used to. So they look for things to do and to learn to keep their minds and bodies busy. The difference being, in eternity there will be no deadlines to make one nervous about getting something finished nor will their be things like wild storms and 500 year floods to delay or completely cancel out some intended activity, etc As to building houses, etc. Being in a constant leaf or bough tabernacle would be alright as there is no severity of temperatures, wind, ice, snow etc to have to worry about. The feasts of the tabernacles are the feasts that will be celebrated during Jesus’ millennial reign.
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Post by nathan on Aug 23, 2019 14:32:47 GMT -5
Not my question, but have you ever pruned grapes vines? Quite an art to it, if you look to have a heavy harvest! And depends on what kind of grapes you’re pruning as to how to prune them! Besides the instant gratification of reaping grapes besides the sought-for end product. Picking grapes is great because your meal is right there as you pick! 10 million years of grapes for lunch... *** haha.. With the New resurrection bodies we don't need foods or water to survive or to live. It goes on forever like God= ETERNAL.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 23, 2019 16:52:39 GMT -5
10 million years of grapes for lunch... *** haha.. With the New resurrection bodies we don't need foods or water to survive or to live. It goes on forever like God= ETERNAL. According to the Bible, we will be needing food. The Tree of Life with 12 manners of fruit, one for each month and the leaves for the healing of the nations. And why would there be tending of the vineyards if at least we didn’t need wine? We won’t be just “spirits” for we’ll have a resurrected body like Jesus’ and he ate fish and honeycomb.
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Post by nathan on Aug 23, 2019 17:07:05 GMT -5
*** haha.. With the New resurrection bodies we don't need foods or water to survive or to live. It goes on forever like God= ETERNAL. According to the Bible, we will be needing food. The Tree of Life with 12 manners of fruit, one for each month and the leaves for the healing of the nations. And why would there be tending of the vineyards if at least we didn’t need wine? We won’t be just “spirits” for we’ll have a resurrected body like Jesus’ and he ate fish and honeycomb. ** with the New resurrection bodies we can eat food or not eat food just like God and Christ when he was here on earth. The resurrection bodies are very unique the Godhead doesn't need foods to live. Resurrection bodies don't age, cancer/diseae free, forever young, can't die and death has no power.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 17:08:27 GMT -5
As the seeking soul or lost sheep would on here. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 0:25:28 GMT -5
Not my question, but have you ever pruned grapes vines? Quite an art to it, if you look to have a heavy harvest! And depends on what kind of grapes you’re pruning as to how to prune them! Besides the instant gratification of reaping grapes besides the sought-for end product. Picking grapes is great because your meal is right there as you pick! 10 million years of grapes for lunch... I suppose a soul could use a couple to stuff in each ear to muffle the singing...
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Post by joanna on Aug 24, 2019 1:48:44 GMT -5
The fear of death is certainly a catalyst for some bizarre imaginings.
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Post by rational on Aug 24, 2019 2:17:24 GMT -5
The fear of death is certainly a catalyst for some bizarre imaginings. Is the fear of death any different than the fear of existing forever?
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Post by joanna on Aug 24, 2019 3:41:57 GMT -5
rational. I do not know Rational as I do not believe that existing forever is an option.
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Post by nathan on Aug 24, 2019 8:07:04 GMT -5
rational . I do not know Rational as I do not believe that existing forever is an option. What do you think of Jesus/God story about Luke 16 The rich man/unbeliever and Lazarus/believer, and BOTH died about the same time and each of them, ended up two different places. The rich man's soul went to Hades, a place of torment and the Rich man's soul went to paradise to be with Abraham a place of no suffering, no regrets and no sorrows but eternal Peace and joy.
Do you believing Jesus/God was LYING or he was TELLING the TRUTH of the event is going to happen to each of us unbeliever or believer after we die?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 24, 2019 10:09:40 GMT -5
Yes Nathan so heed the words you quoted. Beware of false prophets who claim to be of God but are not. You seem to base your beliefs on your present experience with the 2x2s who do not accept any church other than their own. What denomination number were the 2x2s, a newly formed sect formed around 1897 by some person who turned out to be a false teacher. Many mainstream churches are interdenominational. Many of the early workers attended interdenominational groups. The Faith Mission is interdenominational, keswick conventions are interdenominational both of which the early worker attended. Being only 17 years old when you joined the workers church gave you very little understanding of mainstream christianity or Christianity as whole which is obvious due to your noticeable lack of understanding of other churches. Growing up I attended the RCC mass, and many churches before I met the 2x2s, then AFTER that I studied many other churches doctrines. I KNOW more about the 40,000 denomination churches than you think. William Irvine was NOT the ONLY teacher of the 2x2 church, there were many good teachers among the 2x2s and some are NOT so good.
All at the tender age of 17 going on 109!
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Post by snow on Aug 24, 2019 14:19:37 GMT -5
No I'm not looking at it as a 'fleshly concern'. I am looking at it from a consciousness concern. I don't think you lose your consciousness when we become a spirit do you? It would be interesting for awhile I'm sure if we could just keep learning and experiencing things, but even that after a very long time would get tedious I think. Forever is a very long time unless you're kept completely oblivious and unconscious. That's how I see it. The Bible speaks about the saints entering into their eternal “ rest”. Now it’d be kinda like retirees thatve spent their lifespan working and learning everyday. But then they retire and soon grow tired of the lack of activity like what they’ve been used to. So they look for things to do and to learn to keep their minds and bodies busy. The difference being, in eternity there will be no deadlines to make one nervous about getting something finished nor will their be things like wild storms and 500 year floods to delay or completely cancel out some intended activity, etc As to building houses, etc. Being in a constant leaf or bough tabernacle would be alright as there is no severity of temperatures, wind, ice, snow etc to have to worry about. The feasts of the tabernacles are the feasts that will be celebrated during Jesus’ millennial reign. I'm sure there will be plenty to do at first. But like retirement, after a period of time you're just done and ready to go. But if what you believe is true and you never get to escape consciousness, it would eventually become pure hell! That's how I see it anyway. Why do people want to exist forever anyway? What is the tremendous draw it seems to have? I am more than happy to just end when I die. I see no value in continuing forever.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 24, 2019 15:18:06 GMT -5
rational . I do not know Rational as I do not believe that existing forever is an option. What do you think of Jesus/God story about Luke 16 The rich man/unbeliever and Lazarus/believer, and BOTH died about the same time and each of them, ended up two different places. The rich man's soul went to Hades, a place of torment and the Rich man's soul went to paradise to be with Abraham a place of no suffering, no regrets and no sorrows but eternal Peace and joy.
Do you believing Jesus/God was LYING or he was TELLING the TRUTH of the event is going to happen to each of us unbeliever or believer after we die?The liars are the people that present a fiction like the bible as truth.
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Post by nathan on Aug 24, 2019 15:56:22 GMT -5
rational . I do not know Rational as I do not believe that existing forever is an option. What do you think of Jesus/God story about Luke 16 The rich man/unbeliever and Lazarus/believer, and BOTH died about the same time and each of them, ended up two different places. The rich man's soul went to Hades, a place of torment and the Rich man's soul went to paradise to be with Abraham a place of no suffering, no regrets and no sorrows but eternal Peace and joy.
Do you believing Jesus/God was LYING or he was TELLING the TRUTH of the event is going to happen to each of us unbeliever or believer after we die?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 24, 2019 16:18:59 GMT -5
The Bible speaks about the saints entering into their eternal “ rest”. Now it’d be kinda like retirees thatve spent their lifespan working and learning everyday. But then they retire and soon grow tired of the lack of activity like what they’ve been used to. So they look for things to do and to learn to keep their minds and bodies busy. The difference being, in eternity there will be no deadlines to make one nervous about getting something finished nor will their be things like wild storms and 500 year floods to delay or completely cancel out some intended activity, etc As to building houses, etc. Being in a constant leaf or bough tabernacle would be alright as there is no severity of temperatures, wind, ice, snow etc to have to worry about. The feasts of the tabernacles are the feasts that will be celebrated during Jesus’ millennial reign. I'm sure there will be plenty to do at first. But like retirement, after a period of time you're just done and ready to go. But if what you believe is true and you never get to escape consciousness, it would eventually become pure hell! That's how I see it anyway. Why do people want to exist forever anyway? What is the tremendous draw it seems to have? I am more than happy to just end when I die. I see no value in continuing forever. Ive tasted of that inexplicable joy and I sure don’t want to miss out on that. That joy is complete in Jesus!
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Post by snow on Aug 24, 2019 16:39:57 GMT -5
I'm sure there will be plenty to do at first. But like retirement, after a period of time you're just done and ready to go. But if what you believe is true and you never get to escape consciousness, it would eventually become pure hell! That's how I see it anyway. Why do people want to exist forever anyway? What is the tremendous draw it seems to have? I am more than happy to just end when I die. I see no value in continuing forever. Ive tasted of that inexplicable joy and I sure don’t want to miss out on that. That joy is complete in Jesus! But will it be able to keep lasting is the big question? At what point does extreme joy become agony?
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Post by nathan on Aug 24, 2019 16:57:41 GMT -5
Ive tasted of that inexplicable joy and I sure don’t want to miss out on that. That joy is complete in Jesus! But will it be able to keep lasting is the big question? At what point does extreme joy become agony? *** There is NO END to eternal JOY so there is no sorrow whatsoever. Jesus tasted HELL and sorrows for us humans on Calvary's.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 24, 2019 17:00:02 GMT -5
Ive tasted of that inexplicable joy and I sure don’t want to miss out on that. That joy is complete in Jesus! But will it be able to keep lasting is the big question? At what point does extreme joy become agony? It’s not extreme. It’s hard to explain and yes it’ll be for all eternity. There’ll be peace and serenity with that joy. It’s just A condition man doesn’t find on earth. Prince of Peace!
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