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Post by snow on May 29, 2019 17:17:54 GMT -5
Now, when it comes to "He doesn't break his promises", are you willing to put that to the test? Mark 16:18 KJV They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.Jesus was talking to his apostles and this commission was directed to them; "And these signs shall follow them that believe" (Mark 16:17). "God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost" (Hebrews 2:4). The promises were kept, the apostles healed many sick. Paul was bit by a serpent, "And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm" (Acts 28:5, Luke 10:19)). And drinking a deadly thing is symbolic of sin, "The wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23). Drinking deadly sin and not being harmed is best explained in 1 John 5:15-19, sin/poison does not hurt a believer who consumes it, because there's forgiveness when we pray for it. <abbr title="May 28, 2019 20:21:24 GMT -5" data-timestamp="1559092884000" class="o-timestamp time">May 28, 2019 20:21:24 GMT -5</abbr> snow said:So God didn't know that his creation was going to 'fall'? As soon as people start talking about a world that has fallen etc. and that's why there are harmful things in it, you lose me. When I hear things like that all I can think of is how sad it is that things have to be twisted so out of proportion to make it jive with preconceived beliefs. I am so glad that I'm not required to make the bible make sense so that I can still believe it's right. There are so many things in the bible that in order to continue to have the faith to believe you need to disqualify so many things in the natural world. Ignoring scientific discoveries because they contradict what the bible says is absolutely not for me. I believe God was omniscient in this, so yes He knew man would sin and the repercussions were preordained. Nothing preconceived or twisted. You don't need to make the bible makes sense, it does that all on its own. We are just required to diligently study and gain understanding from it, then you'll know its right. You don't need to ignore scientific facts, but send the theories and speculative junk out with the garbage. Harmful things occur from disobedience to God, sin = evil. Everything God created was good, but He did not create sin, that's one thing that emanates from within us. I think we've taken this thread way off topic!!
LOL oh probably. Threads have a way of going way off topic on here. Okay, back to the topic...  |
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Post by snow on Jun 7, 2019 16:38:15 GMT -5
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Post by joanna on Jun 7, 2019 18:46:27 GMT -5
snow . This resistance by churches is an extension of the other negative factors which contribute to CSA within faith-based organisations. These organisations have a strong focus on financial profit and are going to try and avoid compensating victims of CSA. Promoting belief in gods continues to be a good business interest at the expense of child welfare 
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Post by Lee on Jun 9, 2019 14:22:21 GMT -5
Like every for profit group, -and let's be honest here, if we're not for profit at work and in our private conduct we are putting our heads up our asses, families, individuals, organizations, -each of these has to meet a bottom line.
Concerning premises liability, which is a lot like organizational liability, they're smart to limit this, whehter that means paying 500000 for a case versus 1000000, or adopting training that limits risk respecting safety as well as moral behavior.
What is a correct dollar amount to express restitution for sin? Sometimes it's convenient to put a price on it. More often, not so much. You run it through lawyers and courts and you're guess is as good as mine.
But what is the social liability of organizations for sin? Is it in effect, hell (repent or desist), for those organizations that refuse to repent? In CSA's case, hell for those organizations that refuse to adopt training and mandated reporting?
A complex calculus must be applied to making organizations guilty for our sins. When does the individual bear his guilt?
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Post by withlove on Jun 16, 2019 23:30:37 GMT -5
Alabamagal, I am just curious. Are you a worker from N.Z. and do you do your missionary work in another country at present? I note you post under an alias; as an anonymous poster. You have every right to do so. I find it hypocritical that you then proceed to probe another poster's identity! Of course such hypocrisy is not uncommon on this forum. Perhaps you would benefit by seeking the counsel of the administrator of this forum about such posting? I find it curious and revealing that you post this 'red herring' on a thread. While Elizabeth; who so righteously calls out the 2x2s on all their lacks and failures, is being confronted about the unsubstantiated allegation she has made. Is this your attempt to distract from the matter presently being discussed? You might have picked a better name...there aren't many professing "Alabama gals." I'm embarrassed for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 0:42:49 GMT -5
I note you post under an alias; as an anonymous poster. You have every right to do so. I find it hypocritical that you then proceed to probe another poster's identity! Of course such hypocrisy is not uncommon on this forum. Perhaps you would benefit by seeking the counsel of the administrator of this forum about such posting? I find it curious and revealing that you post this 'red herring' on a thread. While Elizabeth; who so righteously calls out the 2x2s on all their lacks and failures, is being confronted about the unsubstantiated allegation she has made. Is this your attempt to distract from the matter presently being discussed? You might have picked a better name...there aren't many professing "Alabama gals." I'm embarrassed for them. Well this one certainly got her knickers in a twist! |
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