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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 15, 2019 12:32:33 GMT -5
They ought to be otherwise that is an insult to education. plenty of educated idiots out there that prove the invalidity of your statement. . ..and even educated folks can have a relationship with the Father..He doesn't care how smart or dumb you are at all. . .I'm some sort of proof of that on the latter side. ... many nites I go to sleep wondering why? ..but I'm glad He called my name. ... . ..by the way.. . church attendance has nothing to do with having a relationship with the Father.. So you are hearing voices! There is a medical term for that and you can get help. |
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Post by openingact34 on Apr 15, 2019 20:25:45 GMT -5
"These eldest and wisest brothers are the ones closest to God who spend their lives deep in prayer." Dream on with your typical 2x2 jargon that has LONG been shown false from its root up. The problem with 2x2s and the like of the posts such as you quoted is that 2x2s ASSUME to know, but do not know the Biblical God, and the other just off-hand denies His existance, also not knowing the Biblical God, by suppressing the knowledge of God's existance built ito every human being by God. God is acting in real time against CSA within your very false "Truth." The Royal Commission is one evidence, the 60 Minutes episode will be the next. And with "the Truth's" "underground" existence for over 100 years shattered widely in the press, so far just in Australia, I do think you will see yet further worldwide Church action against the 2x2 false "Truth" such as this, in which the Biblical God is featured,  So God is "acting in real time against CSA" now. I'm very impressed. A mere 100 years after the notorious "fiddler" worker starts preying on children in Australia, God decides that it is time for a 60 Minutes Special. Glory! After all, it took 2000 years before the almighty creator of the universe could be bothered to expose the Roman Catholic Church in the media. Who knew that Heaven operated with the same incredible efficiency as the Department of Motor Vehicles? |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Apr 15, 2019 22:12:35 GMT -5
They ought to be otherwise that is an insult to education. plenty of educated idiots out there that prove the invalidity of your statement. . ..and even educated folks can have a relationship with the Father..He doesn't care how smart or dumb you are at all. . .I'm some sort of proof of that on the latter side. ... many nites I go to sleep wondering why? ..but I'm glad He called my name. ... . ..by the way.. . church attendance has nothing to do with having a relationship with the Father.. I agree , Johnny! Also as Jesus said “My sheep know my voice.” |
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Post by pa on Apr 16, 2019 0:33:38 GMT -5
Wally, something about this just doesn't sit well with me. How can a god be considered loving if it sits by and does nothing when a child is abused? It's supposed to be omnipotent - certainly capable of preventing child rape. It's supposed to be omnipresent and omniscient, so has no excuse that it wasn't aware of what was going on. The best it can do is watch as it goes down and say "When you're done, I have a special place for you to be punished, but not just now; I'll let you live out your days doing whatever you like until then." Sure, you can say everyone is responsible for their own actions; I agree with that, but you can't pass God's inaction off as allowing free will. Where is the free will of the child/victim? Tracey Harris says something like "If I had the power to stop a child rapist I would. That's the difference between me and your god". It's scenarios like this that prove Yahweh is imaginary - the logical inconsistency between omnipotency and omnibenevolence with what we see in reality. I don't think for a minute anyone on this board would stand by and let a child be abused if they had the power to do something about it. That shows that our morals supersede that of Yahweh and are not derived from him; and if there was a god who let these things happen it would be absolutely unworthy of worship. Interesting when things go wrong because humans are evil, then we're very quick to blame God and say that He should do something and because He does not do something, then He must be imaginary. So the parents or other adults that are with the victims are imaginary too because they do not do something to stop the crimes from happening, but hey we know they are real. The blame is with you and me, our society. Every sinful action has consequences and they affect us, our loved ones and weak ones in our society. The blame is not with God, but with those adults myself included who keep quiet when we see wrong done against another person, when there is not the selfless love that compels us to do something about it. Putting the blame on God is projecting the blame onto another and not taking ownership of the problems of our society ourselves. We can then debate endlessly about God instead of debating about our own evil selves and we feel superior. Just watch the Netflix series "13 reasons why" to see the effect our evil actions has on one another. Lets love with a selfless love, even on this board.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 0:39:49 GMT -5
"A mere 100 years after the notorious "fiddler" worker starts preying on children in Australia, God decides that it is time for a 60 Minutes Special. Glory!"
As I understand it, the fiddler got fiddled during his time, and undoubtedly is still getting fiddled today. But I don't know a lot about that fiddler. I do know that kids at conventions talk about who to avoid - so the rest of the fiddlers are pretty much restricted to fiddling with kids who can't talk yet.
I like your vid - is it you?
What I see is not just CSA in the 2x2s gaining public awareness across the globe, but the entire worker-corruption that goes right back to William Irvine, who might have been poor for one day after he quit his mine boss job, but was almost certainly equivalent to a millionair as soon as Cooney gave him his estate. I think the CSA issue cracks the door on the REST of the workers secret wealth, especially those on the top peg who haven't done an honest day's work in decades.
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Post by benar on Apr 16, 2019 0:52:34 GMT -5
Wally, something about this just doesn't sit well with me. How can a god be considered loving if it sits by and does nothing when a child is abused? It's supposed to be omnipotent - certainly capable of preventing child rape. It's supposed to be omnipresent and omniscient, so has no excuse that it wasn't aware of what was going on. The best it can do is watch as it goes down and say "When you're done, I have a special place for you to be punished, but not just now; I'll let you live out your days doing whatever you like until then." Sure, you can say everyone is responsible for their own actions; I agree with that, but you can't pass God's inaction off as allowing free will. Where is the free will of the child/victim? Tracey Harris says something like "If I had the power to stop a child rapist I would. That's the difference between me and your god". It's scenarios like this that prove Yahweh is imaginary - the logical inconsistency between omnipotency and omnibenevolence with what we see in reality. I don't think for a minute anyone on this board would stand by and let a child be abused if they had the power to do something about it. That shows that our morals supersede that of Yahweh and are not derived from him; and if there was a god who let these things happen it would be absolutely unworthy of worship. Interesting when things go wrong because humans are evil, then we're very quick to blame God and say that He should do something and because He does not do something, then He must be imaginary. So the parents or other adults that are with the victims are imaginary too because they do not do something to stop the crimes from happening, but hey we know they are real. The blame is with you and me, our society. Every sinful action has consequences and they affect us, our loved ones and weak ones in our society. The blame is not with God, but with those adults myself included who keep quiet when we see wrong done against another person, when there is not the selfless love that compels us to do something about it. Putting the blame on God is projecting the blame onto another and not taking ownership of the problems of our society ourselves. We can then debate endlessly about God instead of debating about our own evil selves and we feel superior. Just watch the Netflix series "13 reasons why" to see the effect our evil actions has on one another. Lets love with a selfless love, even on this board. If one is going to credit a god with good things in life, then one must also credit that god with the bad things. 'God has a plan for all of us...' Who's sinful actions result in children born with cancer? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 0:55:25 GMT -5
Interesting when things go wrong because humans are evil, then we're very quick to blame God and say that He should do something and because He does not do something, then He must be imaginary. So the parents or other adults that are with the victims are imaginary too because they do not do something to stop the crimes from happening, but hey we know they are real. The blame is with you and me, our society. Every sinful action has consequences and they affect us, our loved ones and weak ones in our society. The blame is not with God, but with those adults myself included who keep quiet when we see wrong done against another person, when there is not the selfless love that compels us to do something about it. Putting the blame on God is projecting the blame onto another and not taking ownership of the problems of our society ourselves. We can then debate endlessly about God instead of debating about our own evil selves and we feel superior. Just watch the Netflix series "13 reasons why" to see the effect our evil actions has on one another. Lets love with a selfless love, even on this board. Who's sinful actions result in children born with cancer? that ended with the arrival of Christ....no longer do other generations bear the sins of the father... |
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Post by benar on Apr 16, 2019 0:58:01 GMT -5
Who's sinful actions result in children born with cancer? that ended with the arrival of Christ....no longer do other generations bear the sins of the father... So why are some children born with disease? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 1:02:08 GMT -5
that ended with the arrival of Christ....no longer do other generations bear the sins of the father... So why are some children born with disease? only God knows that....although some diseases are the result of stupid choices by the parents such as drug or alcohol consumption while pregnant.... |
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Post by thelight on Apr 16, 2019 1:22:00 GMT -5
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Post by pa on Apr 16, 2019 1:43:27 GMT -5
that ended with the arrival of Christ....no longer do other generations bear the sins of the father... So why are some children born with disease? because the world is a broken place |
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Post by benar on Apr 16, 2019 6:25:14 GMT -5
So why are some children born with disease? because the world is a broken place You'll need to explain this assertion. |
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Post by benar on Apr 16, 2019 6:26:07 GMT -5
So why are some children born with disease? only God knows that....although some diseases are the result of stupid choices by the parents such as drug or alcohol consumption while pregnant.... You must then acknowledge; if your god were to exist, he would be evil. |
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Post by Johnny DeRaad on Apr 16, 2019 7:55:49 GMT -5
Benar . .there is a ruler of this earth and he's the father of lies. .all pain and suffering and sin belong to him and that is where the evil comes from your seeking an author of..God allows him to rule and He sees the beginning from the end .. we don't . .I know it's not an answer you like but it is your answer..if you don't understand there is an end to all creation then it's natural to struggle with why the Father does what He does. .
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Post by benar on Apr 16, 2019 8:17:15 GMT -5
Benar . .there is a ruler of this earth and he's the father of lies. .all pain and suffering and sin belong to him and that is where the evil comes from your seeking an author of..God allows him to rule and He sees the beginning from the end .. we don't . .I know it's not an answer you like but it is your answer..if you don't understand there is an end to all creation then it's natural to struggle with why the Father does what He does. . These are simply assertions, with no evidence to back them up. I could just as easily assert that everything goes according to Vishnu’s will, that Allah is the one true god or that the creation stories of the Australian Aboriginals are true. The outsider test for faith. |
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Post by Johnny DeRaad on Apr 16, 2019 8:39:56 GMT -5
I said you wouldn't like it. . .and it does seem kinda fruitless sometimes to discuss something about experience and faith with someone who rejects both ..I can tell you about my life experiences that bring me to a place of absolutely, unequivocally, utterly, without question believe there is a God..and when you read the Bible His Spirit sings to your heart. . you know that you know that you know. ....all the round and rounds of the toilet bowl don't mean diddly when it comes to knowing Him. ..I'll say it's right .. you'll say it's wrong. . now lets go drink some coffee. .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 11:11:23 GMT -5
There are some broken records in the Atheist camp - who of course 'don't' "assert" anything toll, just repeat and repeat and repeat ad nauseum.
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And of course they all line up with "facts" that are theories, along with "Everything from nothing" and when mere logic challenges that the next "fact" - "Everything is nothing." It's as if Atheists are copying workers' gospel meetings in which they too tell no lies - just facts, such as chidren are not getting molested by workers - fact - the victims tell all the lies - fact. The only thing I see in all the Atheist foolishness is that it glorifies God who foretold their suff pretty accurately something like 2500 years before they do it on here today.
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Post by snow on Apr 16, 2019 13:33:24 GMT -5
Wally, something about this just doesn't sit well with me. How can a god be considered loving if it sits by and does nothing when a child is abused? It's supposed to be omnipotent - certainly capable of preventing child rape. It's supposed to be omnipresent and omniscient, so has no excuse that it wasn't aware of what was going on. The best it can do is watch as it goes down and say "When you're done, I have a special place for you to be punished, but not just now; I'll let you live out your days doing whatever you like until then." Sure, you can say everyone is responsible for their own actions; I agree with that, but you can't pass God's inaction off as allowing free will. Where is the free will of the child/victim? Tracey Harris says something like "If I had the power to stop a child rapist I would. That's the difference between me and your god". It's scenarios like this that prove Yahweh is imaginary - the logical inconsistency between omnipotency and omnibenevolence with what we see in reality. I don't think for a minute anyone on this board would stand by and let a child be abused if they had the power to do something about it. That shows that our morals supersede that of Yahweh and are not derived from him; and if there was a god who let these things happen it would be absolutely unworthy of worship. Interesting when things go wrong because humans are evil, then we're very quick to blame God and say that He should do something and because He does not do something, then He must be imaginary. So the parents or other adults that are with the victims are imaginary too because they do not do something to stop the crimes from happening, but hey we know they are real. The blame is with you and me, our society. Every sinful action has consequences and they affect us, our loved ones and weak ones in our society. The blame is not with God, but with those adults myself included who keep quiet when we see wrong done against another person, when there is not the selfless love that compels us to do something about it. Putting the blame on God is projecting the blame onto another and not taking ownership of the problems of our society ourselves. We can then debate endlessly about God instead of debating about our own evil selves and we feel superior. Just watch the Netflix series "13 reasons why" to see the effect our evil actions has on one another. Lets love with a selfless love, even on this board. Of course you're right. It's not God's fault. There is no god. It is the responsibility of every one of us to protect the children of this world. There is no god to do it, so we must. |
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Post by snow on Apr 16, 2019 13:37:02 GMT -5
There are some broken records in the Atheist camp - who of course 'don't' "assert" anything toll, just repeat and repeat and repeat ad nauseum. When it's true, it's true. You want us to start telling lies? |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 16, 2019 14:23:29 GMT -5
There are some broken records in the Atheist camp - who of course 'don't' "assert" anything toll, just repeat and repeat and repeat ad nauseum. Oh yer, do you not like the repetition of facts. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 16, 2019 14:24:02 GMT -5
Benar . .there is a ruler of this earth and he's the father of lies. .all pain and suffering and sin belong to him and that is where the evil comes from your seeking an author of..God allows him to rule and He sees the beginning from the end .. we don't . .I know it's not an answer you like but it is your answer..if you don't understand there is an end to all creation then it's natural to struggle with why the Father does what He does. . You are reading too many fantasy novels. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Apr 16, 2019 16:25:11 GMT -5
that ended with the arrival of Christ....no longer do other generations bear the sins of the father... So why are some children born with disease? Genetics, parental indulgences before and during pregnancy, etc |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Apr 16, 2019 16:28:48 GMT -5
Interesting when things go wrong because humans are evil, then we're very quick to blame God and say that He should do something and because He does not do something, then He must be imaginary. So the parents or other adults that are with the victims are imaginary too because they do not do something to stop the crimes from happening, but hey we know they are real. The blame is with you and me, our society. Every sinful action has consequences and they affect us, our loved ones and weak ones in our society. The blame is not with God, but with those adults myself included who keep quiet when we see wrong done against another person, when there is not the selfless love that compels us to do something about it. Putting the blame on God is projecting the blame onto another and not taking ownership of the problems of our society ourselves. We can then debate endlessly about God instead of debating about our own evil selves and we feel superior. Just watch the Netflix series "13 reasons why" to see the effect our evil actions has on one another. Lets love with a selfless love, even on this board. Of course you're right. It's not God's fault. There is no god. It is the responsibility of every one of us to protect the children of this world. There is no god to do it, so we must. God expects us to protect the young, the weak, the old and the maim. Jesus said, whosoever offendeth any of these little ones, better that he has a milestone around his neck and dropped into the sea. Not much reward to look forward to, is it? |
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Post by Johnny DeRaad on Apr 16, 2019 18:25:10 GMT -5
C'mon Curlysammich....your talking to a Christian...surely the position a Christian takes isnt a new thing to consider..is it?...science and nature support a Creator ..why do you argue against it being a fact?
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Post by Johnny DeRaad on Apr 16, 2019 18:27:35 GMT -5
There are some broken records in the Atheist camp - who of course 'don't' "assert" anything toll, just repeat and repeat and repeat ad nauseum. When it's true, it's true. You want us to start telling lies? Snow says it's true... so it's true Gratu..why do you continue to kick against the pricks? |
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Post by benar on Apr 16, 2019 18:43:36 GMT -5
I said you wouldn't like it. . .and it does seem kinda fruitless sometimes to discuss something about experience and faith with someone who rejects both ..I can tell you about my life experiences that bring me to a place of absolutely, unequivocally, utterly, without question believe there is a God..and when you read the Bible His Spirit sings to your heart. . you know that you know that you know. ....all the round and rounds of the toilet bowl don't mean diddly when it comes to knowing Him. ..I'll say it's right .. you'll say it's wrong. . now lets go drink some coffee. . I do not reject your personal experience and faith out of hand, but because they have both been shown to be unreliable indicators of truth. If one can use faith to have a 'relationship' with any number of gods, surely you can see that faith on its own is not a reliable indicator of which, if any, of those gods are true. Do you understand what I'm saying? Personal experience is similarly unreliable. Our senses are fallible, so what we feel we experience is not always the truth of a situation. In addition to this, our natural confirmation bias leads us further to unwarranted conclusions. Suppose a person wants a new job. A Christian prays to Yahweh, a Muslim to Allah, a Hindu to Vishnu etc. When the job eventuates each person thanks their respective god for the outcome, while a new-age spiritual person may credit the spirit of their dead grandmother. This shows that personal experience is not reliable, no matter how convincing it is to the person experiencing it. This is not a case of being angry at a god, or wanting to sin, or being unwilling to believe. It's simply a case of 'evidence' provided by theists not meeting the standards of evidence required to establish a fact. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 16, 2019 18:45:47 GMT -5
..science and nature support a Creator ..why do you argue against it being a fact? Maybe not so much against the "fact" as against the "Christian proposal". |
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Post by benar on Apr 16, 2019 18:45:55 GMT -5
C'mon Curlysammich....your talking to a Christian...surely the position a Christian takes isnt a new thing to consider..is it?...science and nature support a Creator ..why do you argue against it being a fact? Science and nature do not support a creator, but for the sake of this argument, lets assume they do. How would you tell the difference between a god creating us and us being deposited here by an alien race? |
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