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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 14, 2017 20:23:40 GMT -5
Nope, each individual is responsible for their actions. These were christians passing out goods from a place they knew had smallpox. What part of the report was distorted? There's something distorted, but I don't think it's your end, rational... I wonder sometimes is So's responses are going through a word scrambler (you had previously suggested random generator). It might just be a bot or computer virus with too much time on its hands...
His responses aren't even relevant to the subject most times.
Maybe he doesn't even exist as a hunan and it IS just a bot.
Other wise, he surely has some kind of communication problem
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 14, 2017 20:26:59 GMT -5
There's something distorted, but I don't think it's your end, rational... I wonder sometimes is So's responses are going through a word scrambler (you had previously suggested random generator). It might just be a bot or computer virus with too much time on its hands...
His responses aren't even relevant to the subject most times.
Maybe he doesn't even exist as a hunan and it IS just a bot.
Other wise, he surely has some kind of communication problem
Either that or the brainwashing was 100% successful dmmichgood !  |
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Post by So on Nov 14, 2017 20:31:25 GMT -5
Propaganda?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 14, 2017 21:02:30 GMT -5
An interesting read for any so inclined: “Small pox in a blanket”. , by John koster
Are you sure of the name of the book; “Small pox in a blanket” and the author, John koster?
I could not find it anywhere, even from Abe/s Books. www.abebooks.com/?cm_sp=TopNav-_-Results-_-Logo
I did find this though.
Biological warfare involving smallpox
One of the most infamous and well documented issues during Pontiac's War was the use of biological warfare against the Native Americans.
The suggestion was posed by Amherst himself in letters to Colonel Henry Bouquet.[20] Amherst, having learned that smallpox had broken out among the garrison at Fort Pitt, and after learning of the loss of his forts at Venango, Le Boeuf and Presqu'Isle, wrote to Colonel Bouquet:[21]
"Could it not be contrived to send the small pox among the disaffected tribes of Indians?
We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them."
Bouquet, who was already marching to relieve Fort Pitt, agreed with this suggestion in a postscript when he responded to Amherst just days later on 13 July 1763:[22] P.S. "I will try to inocculate [sic] the Indians by means of Blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself.
As it is pity to oppose good men against them, I wish we could make use of the Spaniard's Method, and hunt them with English Dogs.
Supported by Rangers, and some Light Horse, who would I think effectively extirpate or remove that Vermine."
In response, also in a postscript, Amherst replied:[22]
P.S. You will Do well to try to Innoculate [sic] the Indians by means of Blankets, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race. I should be very glad your Scheme for Hunting them Down by Dogs could take Effect, but England is at too great a Distance to think of that at present.
Historians Elizabeth Fenn and Benedict Kiernan have shown, Fort Pitt had anticipated these orders. Reporting on parleys with Delaware chiefs on June 24, a trader [William Trent] wrote:
'[We] gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital.
I hope it will have the desired effect.'
The military hospital records confirm that two blankets and handkerchiefs were 'taken from people in the Hospital to Convey the Smallpox to the Indians. ' The fort commander paid for these items, which he certified 'were had for the uses above mentioned.' Historian Elizabeth Fenn has documented 'the eruption of epidemic smallpox' among Delaware and Shawnee Indians nearby, about the time the blankets were distributed." |
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Post by rational on Nov 14, 2017 21:43:01 GMT -5
It may well be but the event under discussion is from 1763 in the Great Lakes region with Lord Jeffery Amherst. That is the incident for which I provided written documentation. What did you find distorted with that report? Any killing , even one, even in wartime, is immoral The question was not one about morality but the action of christians against native americans. What did you think was distorted in the report referred to by the letters above? |
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Post by So on Nov 14, 2017 22:18:00 GMT -5
But thankfully God promised not to send a flood , Yet the world will one day be purged of all iniquity. Some people don’t understand that concept, yet How are you any different from ISIS? You are quite gleeful here when you write about the world being purged of all iniquity. I assume you mean those who are infidels in the eyes of Christians? I am an atheist and I would never be happy to see anyone, no matter what they did on earth, to actually have to suffer torture forever! But some like you seem to take a great deal of satisfaction with this concept. I find it very sad actually.  [ I find this sad, also |
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Post by rational on Nov 14, 2017 22:52:19 GMT -5
How are you any different from ISIS? You are quite gleeful here when you write about the world being purged of all iniquity. I assume you mean those who are infidels in the eyes of Christians? I am an atheist and I would never be happy to see anyone, no matter what they did on earth, to actually have to suffer torture forever! But some like you seem to take a great deal of satisfaction with this concept. I find it very sad actually. :'( [ I find this sad, also So do I. Any exclusive mentality of groups can lead to an us vs. them mentality which does not create unity. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 14, 2017 23:51:10 GMT -5
We have to cut this pathetic crap -- no one lets such a man just shoot him and kill him FOR ANY REASON. You report such people because they are dangerous and beyond your ability to stop him. Devins landlord (his father) calls this massacre investigation , “a media circus”. ? He doesn’t want his sons involvement in this massacre “ to destroy our lives” Understand? Hmm, I sure don’t either?? Guess it’s a n Mystery It's just evidence of how the American gun culture has become so deeply rooted in American society. A massacre is hardly worth an investigation. |
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Post by So on Nov 15, 2017 0:48:26 GMT -5
But the implication that this was a religious war ( jihad) And that is not the case,. If you wish to state or make this a discussion, please Do, otherwise I will conclude you want this to be Included In this discussion of (anti-theism) ? Fair? Thanks! It was not a religious war but a group of people who wanted to eliminate a different group of people. The natives could have been monotheistic, polytheistic, or some other combination. I think the discussion had to do with how the British, considered to be theists/christians, mistreated the native americans. They all got rewarded for their wrongs It’s distorted to believe these were Christian acts! |
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2017 1:35:05 GMT -5
It was not a religious war but a group of people who wanted to eliminate a different group of people. The natives could have been monotheistic, polytheistic, or some other combination. I think the discussion had to do with how the British, considered to be theists/christians, mistreated the native americans. They all got rewarded for their wrongs It’s distorted to believe these were Christian acts!
Hey! Do you know that every ship that came to the "New World" from Spain, France etc., -was required to have a Catholic priest on the ship?
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 15, 2017 1:59:59 GMT -5
It was not a religious war but a group of people who wanted to eliminate a different group of people. The natives could have been monotheistic, polytheistic, or some other combination. I think the discussion had to do with how the British, considered to be theists/christians, mistreated the native americans. They all got rewarded for their wrongs It’s distorted to believe these were Christian acts! Who said they were Christian acts? |
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 15, 2017 2:02:21 GMT -5
Believers do not need to bare bear arms, they register as Conscientious objectors to killing, and that would include Attempting to use viruses to cause death |
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 15, 2017 2:04:34 GMT -5
Does anyone else detect something weird here?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2017 2:18:58 GMT -5
Does anyone else detect something weird here? I read the propaganda , it’s lies
The only link that you ever gave us about the book or article called "Smallpox Blankets" could not be found. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2017 2:21:53 GMT -5
Does anyone else detect something weird here?
Yes, I do believe there is a run away bot posting here.
I am getting tired of trying to understand it. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 15, 2017 13:53:54 GMT -5
Does anyone else detect something weird here? I read the propaganda , it’s lies
The only link that you ever gave us about the book or article called "Smallpox Blankets" could not be found. I have a book that discusses the smallpox disaster, but it has more to do with genocide than mass shootings. |
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Post by rational on Nov 15, 2017 16:17:20 GMT -5
It was not a religious war but a group of people who wanted to eliminate a different group of people. The natives could have been monotheistic, polytheistic, or some other combination. I think the discussion had to do with how the British, considered to be theists/christians, mistreated the native americans. They all got rewarded for their wrongs It’s distorted to believe these were Christian acts! No one said they were christian acts. They were acts committed by individuals who considered themselves to be christians. No distortion, just the facts. |
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Post by Commonman on Nov 15, 2017 20:30:36 GMT -5
In that day , there will be some that say, ‘have I not prophesied
In thyname, and done many wonderful deeds(or awful deeds?)”
and it will be said to him, “depart, I do not know you”
Those who have ears, let him hear wheat the spirit says
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Post by Commonman on Nov 15, 2017 21:07:12 GMT -5
Have you ever lived in an Indiana border town?
Your personality is linked to that region , even so .
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Post by Commonman on Nov 15, 2017 21:10:52 GMT -5
2 brothers?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2017 21:17:21 GMT -5
Have you ever lived in an Indiana border town? Your personality is linked to that region , even so .
(I am assuming you meant "Indian" border town.") |
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Post by Commonman on Nov 16, 2017 4:29:53 GMT -5
Have you ever lived in an Indiana border town? Your personality is linked to that region , even so .
(I am assuming you meant "Indian" border town.")Shhh, I think rational is “ thinking”. 😉 |
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 17, 2017 17:48:08 GMT -5
Here is an interesting comment on this shooting.
Why the Right Is Obsessed With the Sutherland Springs Shooter’s Atheism It’s a way to cast blame on the godless left, yes.
But it also shows the extent to which guns have become a kind of civil religion.
By Sarah Jones November 7, 2017 <snip>
For conservatives unwilling to blame the widespread availability of deadly weapons for this latest massacre, atheism may seem like a convenient scapegoat.
But it goes deeper than that.
In The Washington Post, Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention avoided the subject of Kelley’s atheism but linked the shooting— sans any firm evidence—to the persecution of the global Christian church.
“The goal the gunman sought, to terrorize worshipers, has been attempted constantly over the centuries around the world by cold, rational governments and terrorist groups—all thinking that they could, by the trauma of violence, snuff out churches, or at least intimidate those churches into hiding from one another,” -he wrote.
So, There you have the motive for THAT SHOOTING INCIDENT! 
Never mind there was nothing in the gunman's history to hang that crazy idea on, - never mind that most all of the shooting incidents of late had nothinging to do with Christianity.
It would seem that a lot of Christians want to feel persecuted.
It seems to make them feel that indeed they are "children of the only god!"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 18:23:13 GMT -5
Here is an interesting comment on this shooting.
Why the Right Is Obsessed With the Sutherland Springs Shooter’s Atheism It’s a way to cast blame on the godless left, yes.
But it also shows the extent to which guns have become a kind of civil religion.
By Sarah Jones November 7, 2017 <snip>
For conservatives unwilling to blame the widespread availability of deadly weapons for this latest massacre, atheism may seem like a convenient scapegoat.
But it goes deeper than that.
In The Washington Post, Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention avoided the subject of Kelley’s atheism but linked the shooting— sans any firm evidence—to the persecution of the global Christian church.
“The goal the gunman sought, to terrorize worshipers, has been attempted constantly over the centuries around the world by cold, rational governments and terrorist groups—all thinking that they could, by the trauma of violence, snuff out churches, or at least intimidate those churches into hiding from one another,” -he wrote.
So, There you have the motive for THAT SHOOTING INCIDENT!
Never mind there was nothing in the gunman's history to hang that crazy idea on, - never mind that most all of the shooting incidents of late had nothinging to do with Christianity.
It would seem that a lot of Christians want to feel persecuted.
It seems to make them feel that indeed they are "children of the only god!" sorry russell moore doesn't speak for the shooter/gunman no one can.... |
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 17, 2017 19:23:27 GMT -5
Here is an interesting comment on this shooting.
Why the Right Is Obsessed With the Sutherland Springs Shooter’s Atheism It’s a way to cast blame on the godless left, yes.
But it also shows the extent to which guns have become a kind of civil religion.
By Sarah Jones November 7, 2017 <snip>
For conservatives unwilling to blame the widespread availability of deadly weapons for this latest massacre, atheism may seem like a convenient scapegoat.
But it goes deeper than that.
In The Washington Post, Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention avoided the subject of Kelley’s atheism but linked the shooting— sans any firm evidence—to the persecution of the global Christian church.
“The goal the gunman sought, to terrorize worshipers, has been attempted constantly over the centuries around the world by cold, rational governments and terrorist groups—all thinking that they could, by the trauma of violence, snuff out churches, or at least intimidate those churches into hiding from one another,” -he wrote.
So, There you have the motive for THAT SHOOTING INCIDENT!
Never mind there was nothing in the gunman's history to hang that crazy idea on, - never mind that most all of the shooting incidents of late had nothing to do with Christianity.
It would seem that a lot of Christians want to feel persecuted.
It seems to make them feel that indeed they are "children of the only god!" sorry russell moore doesn't speak for the shooter/gunman no one can....
Does Russell Moore even know Kelly -let alone know Kelly's "goal?"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 19:28:33 GMT -5
sorry russell moore doesn't speak for the shooter/gunman no one can....
Does Russell Moore even know Kelly -let alone know Kelly's "goal?"
as far as we know no note was left behind explaining why he did what he did... i believe that is my point russell moore doesn't know what the gunman was thinking... |
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 17, 2017 19:52:17 GMT -5
Why can you say that with such certainly, Wally?
Does Russell Moore even know Kelly -let alone know Kelly's "goal?"
as far as we know no note was left behind explaining why he did what he did... i believe that is my point russell moore doesn't know what the gunman was thinking...
mea culpa,, my mistake of misunderstanding of your post. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 21, 2017 18:03:28 GMT -5
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