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Post by Get off of TMB on Nov 10, 2017 21:05:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 22:25:51 GMT -5
oh your gonna catch some flak for that gill... |
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Post by xna on Nov 10, 2017 23:18:18 GMT -5
oh your gonna catch some flak for that gill... ———— Nah, but ... Should have posted under the spiritual bullying thread. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 11, 2017 0:29:36 GMT -5
Is that not what all atheists do? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 2:04:04 GMT -5
That's why the prayers didn't work on him then.
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Post by Wo on Nov 11, 2017 2:06:26 GMT -5
Sad, really sad
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 11, 2017 2:07:31 GMT -5
Have you checked on how credibility of the The New York Post?
Or that of the news source the, Daily Mail.
Both have a long list of errors in telling the truth.
It has been said that "you are what you eat.
That could also be said about what one reads. "You are what you read."
Read a lot of garbage and you are only able to spew back out the same garbage.
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Post by Wo on Nov 11, 2017 2:19:49 GMT -5
Don’t care what you believe
You can’t help people by mocking, berating, and worse.
😢😢😢
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Post by snow on Nov 11, 2017 14:00:14 GMT -5
What difference does it make who killed them? Anyone that can do that is in a league all their own. I have seen plenty of shootings done by Christians and they don't like it when that is pointed out to them because they rightfully claim that not all Christians are like that. Or they deny he was a Christian at all. So if an atheist does the shooting, what's the difference if he was a theist or an atheist? He still did something that most people in either group would never consider doing. He also was part of a church and his wife was too. He clearly had issues going on that most do not. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 11, 2017 15:07:11 GMT -5
Don’t care what you believe You can’t help people by mocking, berating, and worse. 😢😢😢 I find it somewhat disturbing that so much is being made of this man being an atheist. If he were a Christian and had all the same red flags flapping around him, the fact that he was a Christian would never be mentioned. It's called politicizing someone else's tragedy -- using it to single out one's favorite group to hate. |
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Post by xna on Nov 11, 2017 18:43:29 GMT -5
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Post by joanna on Nov 11, 2017 19:10:13 GMT -5
If proven to be so, it would be hypocritical of me to avoid accepting that a gunman who entered a church to kill had been motivated by an intolerance or hatred of religion;
as I believe the faith factor in those incidents where a muslim who mows down pedestrians or stabs random people shouting "Allah Akbar" or the christian 'right to life at whatever the cost' who shoots the staff of a family planning clinic, should be both acknowledged and addressed.
However it seems that this was not the case with Kelley and the salient cause of this murderous rampage was a mental health condition in a country where guns are handed out almost as freely as sweets even to people with a criminal past.
So maybe the heading of this thread would be just as relevant if it was " Texas shooter had green eyes".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 19:11:09 GMT -5
Don’t care what you believe You can’t help people by mocking, berating, and worse. 😢😢😢 the fact that he was a Christian would never be mentioned. oh yes it would, no doubt people would come out of the woodwork denying he was ever a christian but nevertheless they would make mention of it...just the same as being white and republican too... |
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Post by xna on Nov 11, 2017 19:39:25 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 11, 2017 19:58:12 GMT -5
It is un-nerving to see how some people wll jump on one aspect of anything without trying to get the whole picture.
Doesn't matter to them whether it is true or not just as long as it fits their preconceived opinions and biases!
Here are some <snips> of of what we know about him.
Texas church gunman escaped mental health facility in 2012 after threatening military superiors
The gunman who killed more than two dozen people in a small church outside San Antonio on Sunday had a string of troubling episodes in recent years, including an escape from a mental health facility in 2012 after he was caught sneaking guns onto an Air Force base “attempting to carry out death threats” against military superiors, according to a police report.
Devin P. Kelley’s young life was riddled with warning signs, mounting during and after his time in the Air Force, including a conviction for beating his then-wife and stepson, charges of animal cruelty, mental health concerns, investigations for domestic assault, threats against his family members and a motorcycle crash that left him with lingering physical pain.
Police in El Paso, reported that five years before the church massacre, officers were dispatched to a bus terminal after Kelley escaped from a nearby behavioral facility. Officers wrote they were told Kelley, who was serving in the Air Force, “was a danger to himself and others” at the time and “was also facing military criminal charges.”
While it is unclear why Kelley was at the behavioral facility and whether he ever faced military discipline for the threats, he was court-martialed that same year and convicted of abusing his wife and stepson.
But the Air Force has acknowledged that it did not tell federal authorities about the domestic violence conviction, which should have prevented him from buying firearms, and the revelations about Kelley’s stint in a mental health facility and making threats against his superiors raised new questions about the service’s handling of Kelley and his discharge.
The Air Force is investigating the lack of reporting of Kelley’s conviction to a national crime database, and an Air Force spokeswoman did not immediately provide additional information about the threats and 2012 escape.
Authorities, including Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R), have questioned how it was possible for Kelley to have passed background checks for jobs and gun purchases, checks that should have made it difficult for him to obtain the weapons he used in Sunday’s slaughter. The domestic violence conviction should have raised red flags as he purchased four guns, one in each of the past four years.
Domestic concerns appeared to follow Kelley through two marriages. His first marriage ended in divorce after he was jailed for abusing his wife, and authorities said domestic problems involving Kelley’s in-laws — officials said he had been sending his mother-in-law threatening texts — preceded his attack on the church his wife’s family attended.
This is only a little of what is now being disclosed
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Post by Wo on Nov 11, 2017 20:03:34 GMT -5
Don’t care what you believe You can’t help people by mocking, berating, and worse. 😢😢😢 I find it somewhat disturbing that so much is being made of this man being an atheist. If he were a Christian and had all the same red flags flapping around him, the fact that he was a Christian would never be mentioned. It's called politicizing someone else's tragedy -- using it to single out one's favorite group to hate. So, are you advocating that when someone goes off Ranting! , and mocking and berating others, (and worse), we should Comfort others by saying “ did you know mr Kelley “was” A Christian?” Fact is , when we die, out past is all in the “was” tense. His actions that led to his death are “ deplorable” People that work at various places , are not justified In taking justice into their own hands. God will reward each according to their own deeds,. |
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Post by Wo on Nov 11, 2017 20:19:05 GMT -5
It is one matter , that he identified himself as such.
That being said, it’s not becoming of any humanity of compassion,
To continuously: berate, belittle, mock , ( and worse) people that
are perceived as less intelligent (?),
Its time these people stop feeding on hate...
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Post by Wo on Nov 11, 2017 20:21:26 GMT -5
I’m referring to anyone that stoops to such behaviors.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 11, 2017 20:50:07 GMT -5
It is one matter , that he identified himself as such. That being said, it’s not becoming of any humanity of compassion, To continuously: berate, belittle, mock , ( and worse) people that are perceived as less intelligent (?), Its time these people stop feeding on hate... |
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Post by howitis on Nov 11, 2017 20:57:34 GMT -5
I think it is a matter of other's wanting to identify this terrible tragedy with something, anything that can possibly give them an assurance of meaning or an excuse....sadly many died including the gunman....No one will ever know the whole story and rather than trying to analyse the incident should we not be trying to emphasise more on supporting those that are grieving the loss of loved ones.
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Post by snow on Nov 12, 2017 14:56:18 GMT -5
I think it is a matter of other's wanting to identify this terrible tragedy with something, anything that can possibly give them an assurance of meaning or an excuse....sadly many died including the gunman....No one will ever know the whole story and rather than trying to analyse the incident should we not be trying to emphasise more on supporting those that are grieving the loss of loved ones. I agree howitis. Who cares what group he felt he was affiliated with or who other people labelled him, in the end he is a victim too. Mental health takes such a horrible toll on people and I wish our world would pay more attention to helping people BEFORE they get so desperate or hateful. But in my country at least, the first thing to get cut in hard economic times is the mental health budget. When we build another hospital in our city it was supposed to have a huge psychiatry wing, not just for patients but research too. Guess what got cut when budget started to go over. You guessed it, the psych aspect of it. Right at a time when mental health issues will rise because of higher anxiety due to lack of work etc. If we dealt with mental health issues we wouldn't need so many prisons. The amount of mental health issues in prisons is huge and we don't do enough to address this fact. People self medicate with drugs that make them crazy. They do things that make them end up in prison and it was possibly preventable if we paid more attention to how we can help people with these issues more. I worked Corrections Canada for many years and I volunteer on the Distress lines. There are so many hurting people out there it's overwhelming sometimes. Sometimes after a call we just sit and cry. We feel helpless to help because there are so little facilities to recommend to them, let alone that they can get into without a long waiting list, if money is an issue. |
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Post by So on Nov 12, 2017 15:47:26 GMT -5
I think it is a matter of other's wanting to identify this terrible tragedy with something, anything that can possibly give them an assurance of meaning or an excuse....sadly many died including the gunman....No one will ever know the whole story and rather than trying to analyse the incident should we not be trying to emphasise more on supporting those that are grieving the loss of loved ones. I agree howitis. Who cares what group he felt he was affiliated with or who other people labelled him, in the end he is a victim too. Mental health takes such a horrible toll on people and I wish our world would pay more attention to helping people BEFORE they get so desperate or hateful. But in my country at least, the first thing to get cut in hard economic times is the mental health budget. When we build another hospital in our city it was supposed to have a huge psychiatry wing, not just for patients but research too. Guess what got cut when budget started to go over. You guessed it, the psych aspect of it. Right at a time when mental health issues will rise because of higher anxiety due to lack of work etc. If we dealt with mental health issues we wouldn't need so many prisons. The amount of mental health issues in prisons is huge and we don't do enough to address this fact. People self medicate with drugs that make them crazy. They do things that make them end up in prison and it was possibly preventable if we paid more attention to how we can help people with these issues more. I worked Corrections Canada for many years and I volunteer on the Distress lines. There are so many hurting people out there it's overwhelming sometimes. Sometimes after a call we just sit and cry. We feel helpless to help because there are so little facilities to recommend to them, let alone that they can get into without a long waiting list, if money is an issue. There is a very real problem we all face Not to mention the adage: ( the enemy of my enemy Is my “ friend” ) If you connect the “dots” , it will change your Worldview immediately ! Have you listened to another video by : Brigitte Gabriel? . youtu.be/PFO1AtjoUooWho is the enemy ( of Islam) ? In a nutshell, “ Christian/infidels” Who is the enemy of Christianity? Militants that “hate Christians?” Thus we are doomed, not only by militants but the Common enemy that has big Mideast oil to back its Agenda (militant Islam) It’s a bleak future for the western world ideologies.. If you do choose to listen to Gabriel and think it starts Out slow and boring, skip to the eleven minute mark At least She is a powerful speaker , with a dramatic testimony! Please listen and consider her point of view Thank you |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 15:54:05 GMT -5
Brigitte Gabriel is spot on i've heard her speak before...
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Post by snow on Nov 12, 2017 16:23:17 GMT -5
I listened to the video by Brigitte Gabriel. I have known of this going on to both sides, Christians murdering Muslims and Muslims murdering Christians. Depended on the majority in the Arab world. It's terrible, not because they are killing Christians, but because they are killing human beings, all in the name of their god. Christians did it during the Crusades and the Inquisition and other holy wars. Now Muslims are doing it. It's tragic any way you look at it. I absolutely detest religious beliefs that make people think that others should be like them or they aren't worth anything and therefore can be killed with righteousness just for not worshiping the same god, which no one can even prove exists in the first place. Living as an atheist in this world means I have more than one religion that would just as soon shoot me as an ungodly infidel. We have a lot more against us and we are far fewer. Bottom line, it's tragic that we feel justified in killing others just because their beliefs are different. As much as I hate religion and what it's done to this world, I would fight to preserve the right for people to have the right to choose what they believe. The trouble with the Judeo/Christian/Muslim religions is that they are taught they need to bring others into their version of religion. If the others don't want to, then the solution is to kill them. We don't see that as much in the Christian religion anymore, but they were once just as bad as the Muslims. I congratulate the Christians for becoming less violent over the years and can only hope that Muslims learn to temper their beliefs to that degree someday. It's not going to happen soon, it carried on for quite awhile with the Christians too. The dark ages they called them. We are once again in the 'dark ages' with Islam. Hopefully this time it won't take so long to have them change to a more tolerant mindset as it did Christians during the dark ages.
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Post by xna on Nov 12, 2017 16:38:16 GMT -5
How soon we forget what the religions of the "western world" really were before they were stamped out by Christianity.  |
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Post by snow on Nov 12, 2017 16:58:42 GMT -5
How soon we forget what the religions of the "western world" really were before they were stamped out by Christianity. There is that too. Don't forget Heman Cortes and his famous Burn the Ships when he came in and annihilated the Aztecs. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 17:56:57 GMT -5
Is that not what all atheists do? Yes, what more do you expect from an a theist?  |
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Post by So on Nov 12, 2017 18:22:34 GMT -5
I listened to the video by Brigitte Gabriel. I have known of this going on to both sides, Christians murdering Muslims and Muslims murdering Christians. Depend It's terrible, not because they are killing Christians. Hopefully . [ What does hope look like to the sadducces? Is peace a desired virtue in a dog eat dog /materialistic world? ?? You are doing pacifists a huge disservice |
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