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Post by snow on Nov 13, 2017 15:10:36 GMT -5
prophesy 101 Believers win! Even if these winners are Muslim? |
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Post by snow on Nov 13, 2017 15:22:56 GMT -5
But thankfully God promised not to send a flood , Yet the world will one day be purged of all iniquity. Some people don’t understand that concept, yet How are you any different from ISIS? You are quite gleeful here when you write about the world being purged of all iniquity. I assume you mean those who are infidels in the eyes of Christians? I am an atheist and I would never be happy to see anyone, no matter what they did on earth, to actually have to suffer torture forever! But some like you seem to take a great deal of satisfaction with this concept. I find it very sad actually.  |
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2017 15:44:32 GMT -5
But thankfully God promised not to send a flood , Yet the world will one day be purged of all iniquity. Some people don’t understand that concept, yet How are you any different from ISIS? You are quite gleeful here when you write about the world being purged of all iniquity. I assume you mean those who are infidels in the eyes of Christians? I am an atheist and I would never be happy to see anyone, no matter what they did on earth, to actually have to suffer torture forever! But some like you seem to take a great deal of satisfaction with this concept. I find it very sad actually. Iniquity is real, and there is no glee intended. Don’t you want the world free of iniquity? I’m thinking you are using a substandard definition? 😰 |
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2017 15:49:11 GMT -5
We are all encouraged to purge ourselves of iniquities,
Psalms we hear David asking God to purge him,
Purging the world of unbelievers isn’t necessary, we
Know that iniquity can hold good people in bondage
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Post by snow on Nov 13, 2017 15:49:42 GMT -5
How are you any different from ISIS? You are quite gleeful here when you write about the world being purged of all iniquity. I assume you mean those who are infidels in the eyes of Christians? I am an atheist and I would never be happy to see anyone, no matter what they did on earth, to actually have to suffer torture forever! But some like you seem to take a great deal of satisfaction with this concept. I find it very sad actually. Iniquity is real, and there is no glee intended. Don’t you want the world free of iniquity? I’m thinking you are using a substandard definition? 😰 Maybe we should come to understanding about what you define as iniquity? That's likely important so we are both on the same page. Just so you know, I don't think we will ever rid our earth of 'wrongdoing' which is one dictionary definition of iniquity. in·iq·ui·ty iˈnikwədē/Submit noun immoral or grossly unfair behavior. "a den of iniquity" synonyms: wickedness, sinfulness, immorality, impropriety; vice, evil, sin; villainy, criminality; odiousness, atrocity, egregiousness; outrage, monstrosity, obscenity, reprehensibility; formalturpitude "many runaways become the pawns of these merchants of iniquity" sin, crime, transgression, wrongdoing, wrong, violation, offense, vice "I will forgive their iniquity" |
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2017 15:55:38 GMT -5
How are you any different from ISIS? You are quite gleeful here when you write about the world being purged of all iniquity. I assume you mean those who are infidels in the eyes of Christians? I am an atheist and I would never be happy to see anyone, no matter what they did on earth, to actually have to suffer torture forever! But some like you seem to take a great deal of satisfaction with this concept. I find it very sad actually. Iniquity is real, and there is no glee intended. Don’t you want the world free of iniquity? I’m thinking you are using a substandard definition? Btw 😰 Btw, please explain what compassion you show to Believers , Shall I remind you of your laughter, as you mock and Belittle believers, people that you accuse of being Mean spirited ? And when you mock God, is that Not unbecoming, since you wouldn’t mock the devil would you. |
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2017 15:57:47 GMT -5
Iniquity is real, and there is no glee intended. Don’t you want the world free of iniquity? I’m thinking you are using a substandard definition? 😰 Maybe we should come to understanding about what you define as iniquity? That's likely important so we are both on the same page. Just so you know, I don't think we will ever rid our earth of 'wrongdoing' which is one dictionary definition of iniquity. in·iq·ui·ty iˈnikwədē/Submit noun immoral or grossly unfair behavior. "a den of iniquity" synonyms: wickedness, sinfulness, immorality, impropriety; vice, evil, sin; villainy, criminality; odiousness, atrocity, egregiousness; outrage, monstrosity, obscenity, reprehensibility; formalturpitude "many runaways become the pawns of these merchants of iniquity" sin, crime, transgression, wrongdoing, wrong, violation, offense, vice "I will forgive their iniquity" God promised to |
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2017 15:58:58 GMT -5
Iniquity is real, and there is no glee intended. Don’t you want the world free of iniquity? I’m thinking you are using a substandard definition? 😰 Maybe we should come to understanding about what you define as iniquity? That's likely important so we are both on the same page. Just so you know, I don't think we will ever rid our earth of 'wrongdoing' which is one dictionary definition of iniquity. in·iq·ui·ty iˈnikwədē/Submit noun immoral or grossly unfair behavior. "a den of iniquity" synonyms: wickedness, sinfulness, immorality, impropriety; vice, evil, sin; villainy, criminality; odiousness, atrocity, egregiousness; outrage, monstrosity, obscenity, reprehensibility; formalturpitude "many runaways become the pawns of these merchants of iniquity" sin, crime, transgression, wrongdoing, wrong, violation, offense, vice "I will forgive their iniquity" God promised to |
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Post by snow on Nov 13, 2017 16:00:00 GMT -5
Maybe we should come to understanding about what you define as iniquity? That's likely important so we are both on the same page. Just so you know, I don't think we will ever rid our earth of 'wrongdoing' which is one dictionary definition of iniquity. in·iq·ui·ty iˈnikwədē/Submit noun immoral or grossly unfair behavior. "a den of iniquity" synonyms: wickedness, sinfulness, immorality, impropriety; vice, evil, sin; villainy, criminality; odiousness, atrocity, egregiousness; outrage, monstrosity, obscenity, reprehensibility; formalturpitude "many runaways become the pawns of these merchants of iniquity" sin, crime, transgression, wrongdoing, wrong, violation, offense, vice "I will forgive their iniquity" God promised to God promised to is not a definition of iniquity, which was my question. God promised to do what? He promised a lot of things and I haven't seen any evidence of him fulfilling any one of those promises yet. |
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Post by howitis on Nov 13, 2017 16:11:25 GMT -5
The problem with words is that they obviously mean different things to different people....take for instance "unfair" what some seem as unfair may not appear so to others.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 16:21:08 GMT -5
alot of scholars come in at 50 million and a large portion of that was disease not actual murder...and still that is pure speculation we don't really know how many were here before the europeans came... Does 50 million make it better? Or 20 million? Many did die from 'new' diseases that were introduced by the europeans. And there is some evidence that this process was 'helped' by giving the native people gifts of blankets and other goods used by people who had smallpox. For example: Here in a letter there is discussion of distribution of goods known to have been used by smallpox victims to 'inoculate' the natives.   These are from www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/amherst/lord_jeff.htmlJust how extensive this was is not totally clear but the writing does show the lack of compassion for the natives. it matters if your trying to compare it to hitler.... |
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2017 17:18:52 GMT -5
God promised to is not a definition of iniquity, which was my question. God promised to do what? He promised a lot of things and I haven't seen any evidence of him fulfilling any one of those promises yet. That is why patience is considered so essential a virtue, If someone told you you would be guaranteed A trust fund of $100 million , if you would only Learn how to be patient, would you skofff because you know Patience is unattainable to you , or would you find out if There may be a way to verify and prove if these promises Are worth considering. I would check it out and see, but then until that time actually Came I would be cautious I do understand caution, but please give other people the Curtesy they deserve? Thanks |
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2017 17:21:37 GMT -5
Gods promises are “priceless” , so I meant no ill
By giving an arbitrary value ($100 million)
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Post by joanna on Nov 13, 2017 20:02:06 GMT -5
rational Indigenous people across the globe were apparently regarded as animals by some colonists. History reveals how this attitude contributed to the mass slaughter, enslavement or other abuses of the native populations. A person who had worked with Australian aborigines some decades back told me that an aged Aboriginal person spoke of men that would go hunting and shoot his people as if they were kangaroos etc 'A society can be judged by the way it treats its most vulnerable'. Until the human species is overwhelmingly capable of applying empathy towards other sentient beings who cannot self-advocate, but who experience similar responses to negative stimuli as the human animal does, the brutal treatment of both vulnerable humans and non-human animals will continue. Eternal Treblinka: Our Treatment of Animals and the Holocaust is authored by a Yiddish writer, Isaac Bashevis Singer who compares the manner in which humans treat other humans to the treatment of other animals by humans. The previous post about the genocide of Native American Indians is relevant to this consideration.
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2017 22:02:05 GMT -5
rational Indigenous people across the globe were apparently regarded as animals by some colonists. History reveals how this attitude contributed to the mass slaughter, enslavement or other abuses of the native populations. A person who had worked with Australian aborigines some decades back told me that an aged Aboriginal person spoke of men that would go hunting and shoot his people as if they were kangaroos etc 'A society can be judged by the way it treats its most vulnerable'. Until the human species is overwhelmingly capable of applying empathy towards other sentient beings who cannot self-advocate, but who experience similar responses to negative stimuli as the human animal does, the brutal treatment of both vulnerable humans and non-human animals will continue. Eternal Treblinka: Our Treatment of Animals and the Holocaust is authored by a Yiddish writer, Isaac Bashevis Singer who compares the manner in which humans treat other humans to the treatment of other animals by humans. The previous post about the genocide of Native American Indians is relevant to this consideration. I am interested in listening in on this discussion, and share , Could you be so kind as to consider opening a new Discussion on the salient issues you believe need to be revisited in some form ( other than accepting What previous cultures experienced) One point that needs to be “considered “ is the Psychological makeup of pioneers involved ? Thanks |
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 13, 2017 22:46:20 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with that suggestion. But as the old saying goes, "a stitch in time saves nine." Laziness, negligence, or whatever on many people' part most certainly allowed this man to do want he did. So other are to blame, eh? Wow!  Then that should/would include the whole system that allows any Tom, Dick and Harry, even mental folks, to own and carry fire arms/guns willy nilly and use innocent people serving their God as targets. Gees, man!  What is your problem. This man smuggled weapons into a military base for the purpose of killing his supervisor. And h served what, a year, in prison for it. The military has apologized for not reporting him to the gun blacklist. Forget the rest of the VIOLENT incidents he was involved in -- do you really think these kind of people should be permitted to buy military style weapons. Gees, man!!!! |
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 13, 2017 23:06:24 GMT -5
It’s ludicrous to blame his neighbors for not Reporting his mocking, as what crime is it? It is a moral crime, but hey, many people ignore their Moral compasses. He could have been jailed , then it wouldn’t happen! Let’s jail everyone that mocks and belittles others that are Less intelligent than us...🙄 Forget morality. When a person known to have been sentenced to prison for plotting to kill his supervisor and continues to threaten such violence against his own family after he gets out ... and has already escaped from a mental institution... would any sane member of such a family hesitate to have his his guns taken from him. That's not mocking and belittling in any way shape or form. Maybe Americans are indeed stupid, but the normal ones aren't anywhere near that stupid. |
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2017 23:07:42 GMT -5
In America , we had the Davy Crockett’s, the Daniel boones
The Johnny Appleseeds, and as the Wild West openned,
Renagade law enforcement, Wyatt Earp s,
The wounded knee battle, and of course General Custer (?) little big horn
And the presidents that served in the years upto and
Including significant understanding of the historical
Milestones of cultural clashings, et cetera...
Worth our efforts?
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 13, 2017 23:09:27 GMT -5
In America , we had the Davy Crockett’s, the Daniel boones The Johnny Appleseeds, and as the Wild West openned, Renagade law enforcement, Wyatt Earp s, The wounded knee battle, and of course General Custer (?) little big horn And the presidents that served in the years upto and Including significant understanding of the historical Milestones of cultural clashings, et cetera... Worth our efforts? Explain the point, please. |
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2017 23:14:43 GMT -5
It’s ludicrous to blame his neighbors for not Reporting his mocking, as what crime is it? It is a moral crime, but hey, many people ignore their Moral compasses. He could have been jailed , then it wouldn’t happen! Let’s jail everyone that mocks and belittles others that are Less intelligent than us...🙄 Forget morality. When a person known to have been sentenced to prison for plotting to kill his supervisor and continues to threaten such violence against his own family after he gets out ... and has already escaped from a mental institution... would any sane member of such a family hesitate to have his his guns taken from him. That's not mocking and belittling in any way shape or form. Maybe Americans are indeed stupid, but the normal ones aren't anywhere near that stupid. It seemed he was “ living in an outbuilding “ an his Parents million dollar home? Don’t know the details. But would his father known about Whether his son was as”sick” or not, I know there was Comments that we want to know if “money” was a factor In keeping him out of institution? |
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2017 23:20:25 GMT -5
In America , we had the Davy Crockett’s, the Daniel boones The Johnny Appleseeds, and as the Wild West openned, Renagade law enforcement, Wyatt Earp s, The wounded knee battle, and of course General Custer (?) little big horn And the presidents that served in the years upto and Including significant understanding of the historical Milestones of cultural clashings, et cetera... Worth our efforts? Explain the point, please. This is a response to my requesting a new discussion On the topics of Indian treatment and treaties, I am very close to some natives and I find their attempts To multi-culture to be quite overwhelming , even in our days Could someone start a discussion, as Joanne and or others? |
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2017 23:20:41 GMT -5
In America , we had the Davy Crockett’s, the Daniel boones The Johnny Appleseeds, and as the Wild West openned, Renagade law enforcement, Wyatt Earp s, The wounded knee battle, and of course General Custer (?) little big horn And the presidents that served in the years upto and Including significant understanding of the historical Milestones of cultural clashings, et cetera... Worth our efforts? Explain the point, please. This is a response to my requesting a new discussion On the topics of Indian treatment and treaties, I am very close to some natives and I find their attempts To multi-culture to be quite overwhelming , even in our days Could someone start a discussion, as Joanne and or others? |
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 13, 2017 23:22:27 GMT -5
Forget morality. When a person known to have been sentenced to prison for plotting to kill his supervisor and continues to threaten such violence against his own family after he gets out ... and has already escaped from a mental institution... would any sane member of such a family hesitate to have his his guns taken from him. That's not mocking and belittling in any way shape or form. Maybe Americans are indeed stupid, but the normal ones aren't anywhere near that stupid. It seemed he was “ living in an outbuilding “ an his Parents million dollar home? Don’t know the details. But would his father known about Whether his son was as”sick” or not, I know there was Comments that we want to know if “money” was a factor In keeping him out of institution? We have to cut this pathetic crap -- no one lets such a man just shoot him and kill him FOR ANY REASON. You report such people because they are dangerous and beyond your ability to stop him. |
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2017 23:59:48 GMT -5
It seemed he was “ living in an outbuilding “ an his Parents million dollar home? Don’t know the details. But would his father known about Whether his son was as”sick” or not, I know there was Comments that we want to know if “money” was a factor In keeping him out of institution? We have to cut this pathetic crap -- no one lets such a man just shoot him and kill him FOR ANY REASON. You report such people because they are dangerous and beyond your ability to stop him. Devins landlord (his father) calls this massacre investigation , “a media circus”. ? He doesn’t want his sons involvement in this massacre “ to destroy our lives” Understand? Hmm, I sure don’t either?? Guess it’s a n Mystery |
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Post by So on Nov 14, 2017 0:08:28 GMT -5
Would have counseling been ordered? But what value
Would it be?
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Post by So on Nov 14, 2017 0:16:29 GMT -5
We have to cut this pathetic crap -- no one lets such a man just shoot him and kill him FOR ANY REASON. You report such people because they are dangerous and beyond your ability to stop him. Devins landlord (his father) calls this massacre investigation , “a media circus”. ? He doesn’t want his sons involvement in this massacre “ to destroy our lives” Understand? Hmm, I sure don’t either?? Guess it’s a n Mystery Then why aren’t Devin’s parents , understanding that We also could grieve with them in the loss of their son? Devin is a big part of this investigation, and his parents need To share their loss ... it’s very sad that it ended as it did |
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Post by howitis on Nov 14, 2017 0:23:57 GMT -5
Perhaps the father never wanted his son to destroy their lives....Perhaps that was the guys problem, maybe he never had guidance and love as a child....what if his father never wanted him....how would that feel? Would it make one just a little bit angry?
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Post by So on Nov 14, 2017 0:49:17 GMT -5
Perhaps the father never wanted his son to destroy their lives....Perhaps that was the guys problem, maybe he never had guidance and love as a child....what if his father never wanted him....how would that feel? Would it make one just a little bit angry? True Yet his father was hiding his sons problems at the same Time Report said that his father reported a theft of laptop and Other, and when they asked about his story, father said “He was in an accident and couldn’t deal with a visit” If that makes any sense?? |
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Then that should/would include the whole system that allows any Tom, Dick and Harry, even mental folks, to own and carry fire arms/guns willy nilly and use innocent people serving their God as targets. Gees, man!