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Post by Scott Ross on Sept 10, 2017 16:23:07 GMT -5
I received the following from one of those who read here on the TMB:
I am unable to put detailed information in this post out of respect for the two beautiful girls that were abused over many years as children in the central west NSW. This predator who still lives in this area was taken to court in June and July 2017. He pleaded guilty to many charges of Child sexual Assault including rape of a girl under 16 years old. He blamed the church, stating the children were not supervised. He also blamed his mother for not allowing him sex education at school. He also threatened these little girls that he would take their virginity at 16 but raped one before this. The abuse started when these girls were only aged 6 and 8 and continued for many years with one abuse happening on Mudge convention grounds & others were in the home where the meetings were held. This man did not end up with any jail time, his name is suppressed by the court as the Judge stated he was an upstanding citizen!!!
This perpetrator stated he feared for his life if he went to goal & repercussions from others if they found out. What about the victims? He appeared at one of the girls work place causing distress and fear & this abuse has cost these ladies a life of ongoing stress & health issues. These ladies have been ostracized from their families, have suffered extreme depression and unable to have close relationships. They have lost their trust. One lady has stage 4 breast cancer and in the fight of her life. They were not the perpetrator! but have been made victims all over again. I have also contacted a senior worker and spoke with him in July 2017 but he has not gotten back to me. This has saddened me as I feel children in the church meeting must to be protected at all cost. since the court case two other different victims have spoke of their CSA by this man. They were not part of this church ever, this is also concerning as this CSA happened after these girls, so it did not stop at just these Two.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 10, 2017 17:25:58 GMT -5
Do we know the "rank" of this person in the religion prior to his charges.
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Post by Scott Ross on Sept 11, 2017 16:19:01 GMT -5
Will post more as it comes available. Have heard about this from more than one source. Not sure who all within the church is aware of details, but will post more when it can be posted. The laws there allow for suppression of the name, although that does not actually pertain to someone out of that country, so it is possible that the name will be posted here. His name was posted at one point on Facebook from what I understand.
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Post by continuer on Sept 11, 2017 16:41:37 GMT -5
Something not quite right here. I cannot believe that someone who admitted to the appalling crime of rape of a child did not receive a jail sentence.
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Post by Scott Ross on Sept 11, 2017 16:59:34 GMT -5
When I have all the details, I will send it to you by email. You can have his name, address, and court he was tried in. It would be great if you were to look into this along with the overseer. It would be good to make sure that all those who attend meetings with him are aware of the details so they can take appropriate action.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Sept 13, 2017 6:15:28 GMT -5
Something not quite right here. I cannot believe that someone who admitted to the appalling crime of rape of a child did not receive a jail sentence. Sadly it sounds quite true. This is not the first time this has happened. It was exactly the same with the Ernie Barry case (ex-worker) here in Australia in 2011. Proven in court, but let off with no jail, partly because other victims were not known to the judge at the time. In the past, families of victims were pressured by workers not to come forward, so patterns were not seen, and the true extent of offense not known. In the case mentioned above, the perpetrator is known as a "fine upstanding" citizen and jail might ruin his reputation, poor guy.  |
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Post by continuer on Sept 13, 2017 6:30:20 GMT -5
Something not quite right here. I cannot believe that someone who admitted to the appalling crime of rape of a child did not receive a jail sentence. Sadly it sounds quite true. This is not the first time this has happened. It was exactly the same with the Ernie Barry case (ex-worker) here in Australia in 2011. Proven in court, but let off with no jail, partly because other victims were not known to the judge at the time. In the past, families of victims were pressured by workers not to come forward, so patterns were not seen, and the true extent of offense not known. In the case mentioned above, the perpetrator is known as a "fine upstanding" citizen and jail might ruin his reputation, poor guy. <img src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/superangry.png" alt=" " class="smile" contenteditable="false" text=" " ![]() Thanks for this. I find the lack of a jail sentence really disturbing - I don't think that this would happen here in the UK. The guy should take his punishment, get some professional help for his problem so that he understands the enormity of what he is alleged to have done. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 13, 2017 17:53:43 GMT -5
Elisabeth Coleman and continuer, Appreciate your comments but need to ask you: Are these the confirmed and 100% correct details that you base your comments on?
"A person who is professing and taking part in meetings was charged with many charges of child sexual assault including rape of a girl under 16 years old.
In his trial he blamed the church for not supervising the children, he blamed his mother for not allowing him to have sex education.
He pleaded guilty and did not receive a jail sentence and was told by the judge he was an upstanding citizen.
What sentence did he receive?"Or; Elizabeth is this just another opportunity you are taking to vent about the church you once belonged to? I guess your words "Sadly it sounds quite true." gives the answer? A real 'rumour mill' type statement!  I'm not sure the words "Sadly it sounds quite true." do confirm that. That was a speculative statement, based on the obviously truth that the man did plead guilty. Some other suggestions of what the details may be would also sound quite true.  |
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Sept 13, 2017 17:54:05 GMT -5
Elisabeth Coleman and continuer, Appreciate your comments but need to ask you: Are these the confirmed and 100% correct details that you base your comments on?
"A person who is professing and taking part in meetings was charged with many charges of child sexual assault including rape of a girl under 16 years old.
In his trial he blamed the church for not supervising the children, he blamed his mother for not allowing him to have sex education.
He pleaded guilty and did not receive a jail sentence and was told by the judge he was an upstanding citizen.
What sentence did he receive?"Or; Elizabeth is this just another opportunity you are taking to vent about the church you once belonged to? I guess your words "Sadly it sounds quite true." gives the answer? A real 'rumour mill' type statement! Yes, sadly it sounds quite true given the confirmed and 100% correct details regarding what has happened in the past. I have also seen more information than what was posted above concerning the current case, from an identified source who puts their real name and own reputation on the line in providing the information. Yes, all quite shocking, Review005, a real rumour mill. Where did I vent against the church? It is more an indictment against Australian law, I would say. Pardon me, but your bias is showing. And your "shoot the messenger" approach is still at large. |
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Post by Grant on Sept 14, 2017 14:53:58 GMT -5
We don't know what Ross does with his time. I'm sure he does plenty of things in his life besides this board. He might even be an advocate against sexual abuse in the Anglican church for all we know.
Review, you thanked Scott for his accurate details. I do not see where Scott has given any details about this case.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 14, 2017 15:40:30 GMT -5
We don't know what Ross does with his time. I'm sure he does plenty of things in his life besides this board. He might even be an advocate against sexual abuse in the Anglican church for all we know. Review, you thanked Scott for his accurate details. I do not see where Scott has given any details about this case. Surprise surprise: "He might even be an advocate against sexual abuse in the Anglican church for all we know."  Surprise No. 1: "Might" is no statement of either accusation or suspicion. It's quite okay for anyone to say "Review flagellates every time he farts out loud." Who knows? Surprise No. 2: No offense whatsoever to Scott, but Scott is not the only person who knows infallible truths. If he is, then what happened to you? |
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Post by howitis on Sept 15, 2017 2:14:08 GMT -5
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Post by howitis on Sept 15, 2017 4:32:17 GMT -5
Please gentlemen can we please rise above our particular denominations and see how serious the matter of CSA really is?
It is a huge societal issue there have been children harmed from all facets of society, no amount of posting of your churches reforms will actually safe guard any child...not one!!!
Proper consistent protocols need to be put in place by governments, for all organisations that deal with children it is only then that alarm bells will start to ring and perpetrators will be actually noticed.
As I post this an activity is currently running in a town, this activity is aimed at 12 to 18 year olds and there is no working with children check in place for the supposed supervising adults, this has been brought to the attention of the venue trustees and other relevant agencies to no avail!
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Post by howitis on Sept 15, 2017 4:59:03 GMT -5
Please!!!
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Post by jwatt on Sept 15, 2017 14:52:17 GMT -5
Someone needs to go get a real job going by the way this thread has turned out. The real problem is csa
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Post by Get off of TMB on Sept 15, 2017 15:59:06 GMT -5
My heart goes out to the victims. It isn't about which sect has more CSA problems. This board is about the Truth. There needs to be a board of workers and saints where people can report allegations without the fear of being denied the right to "take part".
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Post by howitis on Sept 15, 2017 16:50:15 GMT -5
Why are we suppressing the names of the perpetrators? Victims should be protected yes, but not the perpetrators, there should be an easily accessible register available to all organisations of all CAD offenders.
That way there is no bribing of officials and no false documents whereby offenders can get positions in organisations where children are.
Society in general keeps pushing this under the mat, it is no wonder then when organisations act likewise.
After all the perpetrators did NOTHING to protect the children!!!
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Post by vanillagorilla on Sept 15, 2017 16:50:29 GMT -5
have a snickers .........
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 15, 2017 17:20:07 GMT -5
Please gentlemen can we please rise above our particular denominations and see how serious the matter of CSA really is? It is a huge societal issue there have been children harmed from all facets of society, no amount of posting of your churches reforms will actually safe guard any child...not one!!! Proper consistent protocols need to be put in place by governments, for all organisations that deal with children it is only then that alarm bells will start to ring and perpetrators will be actually noticed. As I post this an activity is currently running in a town, this activity is aimed at 12 to 18 year olds and there is no working with children check in place for the supposed supervising adults, this has been brought to the attention of the venue trustees and other relevant agencies to no avail! FWIW, it appears to me that all the proper protocols have been followed in this case. And it is not Review's problem -- it is the parents' and victims' problem and they don't need the likes of Review commenting on anything they do or say. |
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Post by howitis on Sept 15, 2017 17:58:08 GMT -5
Which is why BobWilliston procedures and protocols adopted by organisations as individuals are failing. Therefore governments need to put in place procedures to be adhered to, an easily accessible register of offenders needs to be made available. Court cases for perpetrators can be moved to different areas to help stop identification of victims and perpetrators names need to be released, only then can organisations hope to stop CSA within their organisations. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 15, 2017 18:59:51 GMT -5
Review appears to have advanced to the point where he understands that parents need his permission (or Scott's) to do what is right for their children.  Bob appreciate that you have advanced to the point of no return. Your insightful, well thought out, deeply meaningful posts are pretty amazing. Thank you very very much. Thank you. My writing on this matter is so amazing because I actually do report worker CSA to the law, and the worker I personally reported to the law died in prison long before his sentence could be completed. He was a very nice man, but he was a dangerous predator and the overseer(s) knew that decades before someone had the guts to care for children's safety. Behave yourself and mind your own business and don't be a silly old phoney about this matter. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 15, 2017 19:05:03 GMT -5
Whigh is why BobWilliston procedures and protocols adopted by organisations as individuals are failing. Therefore governments need to put in place procedures to be adhered to, an easily accessible register of offenders needs to be made available. Court cases for perpetrators can be moved to different areas to help stop identification of victims and perpetrators names need to be released, only then can organisations hope to stop CSA within their organisations. I may have misunderstood your post somewhat. I thought your reference to protocols did mean the legal route. But you are right, other protocols have been devised by various workers and they have done far more harm to the victims, simply because their claimed desire to protect the children was just a farce ... the real goal of such protocols was to have the ministry sheltered from involvement in such matters. The best shelter the ministry can have from being implicated in worker and friend CSA is to let the legal authorities deal with it. |
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Post by howitis on Sept 15, 2017 19:22:54 GMT -5
But you see BobWilliston here in Australia more and more paedophiles are not getting sent to prison. Their names are suppressed and IF they make it to the offenders register that register is not a free for all to peruse.....again let's protect the predator and punish the victim!! No person should excuse a CSA offender NOT EVER. Regardless of their position judge, minister, educator, you name it |
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Post by joanna on Sept 15, 2017 21:27:09 GMT -5
This Australian article informs of the incidence of child abuse within churches. Child Abuse and the ChurchPaediphilia is currently considered incurable however the urge to abuse can be controlled. These articles cover treatment options. Help is available Early interventionDiagnostic techniques have identified brain anomalies in paedophiles. If there is an organic cause for this horrible behaviour, then future societies will look back on the way we currently regard paedophiles in a similar way to when we consider how intellectually handicapped people were treated in the past. However every possible action should be taken to protect children from this horrible behaviour. Those individuals who are aware of children being abused and who take no action, are not only culpable for the degree of harm suffered by the children, but also for delaying the urgent interventions required by the perpetrators. Those who fail to report are breaking the law: Mandatory Reporting |
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Post by Get off of TMB on Sept 16, 2017 8:41:38 GMT -5
Where the workers live in their friends home, the potential for abuse increases. But yes other church leaders, civic groups etc. have had problems and I don't excuse ANYONE who harms little innocent children.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 16, 2017 16:41:36 GMT -5
Thank you. My writing on this matter is so amazing because I actually do report worker CSA to the law, and the worker I personally reported to the law died in prison long before his sentence could be completed. He was a very nice man, but he was a dangerous predator and the overseer(s) knew that decades before someone had the guts to care for children's safety. Behave yourself and mind your own business and don't be a silly old phoney about this matter. That's interesting! The account I have of that man's arrest, trial and incarceration mentions nothing of you having a part in it. Of course not ... I live on the other side of the world. The meaning of what I wrote to you was that (1) you have no expertise or capacity to investigate or otherwise deal appropriately with cases of CSA, other than to report a "suspicion" to the authorities. And (2) telling people not to discuss such incidents does nothing more than allow unsuspecting parents to allow predators into their homes and access to their children ... an abominable expectation of parents. I take you to be a person that wise parents would not confide details of any such cases to anyway. You don't need any warning about such people. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 16, 2017 17:35:39 GMT -5
But you see BobWilliston here in Australia more and more paedophiles are not getting sent to prison. Their names are suppressed and IF they make it to the offenders register that register is not a free for all to peruse.....again let's protect the predator and punish the victim!! No person should excuse a CSA offender NOT EVER. Regardless of their position judge, minister, educator, you name it It sounds like the Australian government is complicit in protecting sexual predators by forbidding the publishing of their names. I doubt they'd do the same for a serial killer. Nothing serves a violent criminal more than hiding their identity. |
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Post by Get off of TMB on Sept 16, 2017 19:46:11 GMT -5
Review 005, if you are concerned with CSA in the Anglican Church, please find a board about Anglican church.
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