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Post by xna on Jun 21, 2017 21:06:08 GMT -5
just as Jesus has many names so do some people.... i myself have a number of names given to me by friends and enemies....wally, zinc, shazam, crosssiont, baby bird, bird, susanne(rhymes with my real name) What you say could be true but I suspect it a speculation. There are many websites, book & videos detailing many contractions and discrepancies in the bible. This site has 1001 CONTRADICTIONS & DISCREPANCIES |
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Post by Grant on Jun 21, 2017 21:36:07 GMT -5
one is marys and one is jospehs we've been over this before... From wiki "Traditional Christian scholars (starting with the historian Eusebius[1]) have put forward various theories that seek to explain why the lineages are so different" --------------------------------------------------- A simple question: Who was the grandfather of Jesus, was it Jacob or Heli? (Matthew 1:16) And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. (Luke 3:23) And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli I'm guessing one is Joseph's mother's line and one is his father's. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 22:11:26 GMT -5
one is marys and one is jospehs we've been over this before... From wiki "Traditional Christian scholars (starting with the historian Eusebius[1]) have put forward various theories that seek to explain why the lineages are so different" --------------------------------------------------- A simple question: Who was the grandfather of Jesus, was it Jacob or Heli? (Matthew 1:16) And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. (Luke 3:23) And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli Heli would have been a great grand father and joseph would have been the grandfather and father to mary...yes marys father would have been named joseph...and it would not have been unheard of for a grandpa to call his grandson son just like some say that jesus brothers and sisters were really cousins yet called brothers and sisters... another example is in the rich man and lazarus story.... Luk_16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. here we have abraham calling a decsendent far removed son... |
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Post by So on Jun 21, 2017 22:38:04 GMT -5
All throughout history we find peoples that are trying to stamp out the beliefs of others , so they can usher in Beliefs that are 7-fold more evil. Pray that what they believe will be the truth!! ‼️ This is why it is a good idea to hold beliefs that are supported by independently verifiable facts. When you are pointing out beliefs that are evil it is the beliefs that are founded on faith which does not have either logical nor mayerial support. Beliefs founded on facts/data cannot be evil. Faith is the substance. Without faith there is no belief/believing in anything. I have faith that the sun is still shining .... 😉, and I believe that it will tomorrow, the Lird willing.... 👍 |
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Post by So on Jun 21, 2017 22:39:32 GMT -5
Typo : Lord
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Post by So on Jun 21, 2017 22:55:50 GMT -5
All throughout history we find peoples that are trying to stamp out the beliefs of others , so they can usher in Beliefs that are 7-fold more evil. Pray that what they believe will be the truth!! ‼️ This is why it is a good idea to hold beliefs that are supported by independently verifiable facts. When you are pointing out beliefs that are evil it is the beliefs that are founded on faith which does not have either logical nor mayerial support. Beliefs founded on facts/data cannot be evil. This could be your opinion, nevertheless, should we agree that as things move forward, we should hold people accountable for eternity. if they misrepresent and stamp out people's beliefs that are true as the day is long, Yet because their faith was weak , they allowed their beliefs to be stamped out?? You can be accountable for teaching things that are false, and it should be Known that the beliefs you usher in could cause eternal pain and remorse ... Just some thoughts... |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 22, 2017 0:17:19 GMT -5
And then there is Methusaleh.
Surely people today do not believe that anymore.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 22, 2017 0:20:53 GMT -5
Have you proof that they are? I would think not and that your favourite science book is the bible. the Israelites were meticulous genealogy keepers, I have no valid reason to doubt their history ✌️ Were they now. First of all one would have to have a belief in the bible as some inerrant document. I do not. There may be some truth in the genealogies but not a lot. The example Methuselah for instance is seriously odd. Further to this I do not believe that your god or any other conjured up this earth so that makes your bible no more than a rather tedious novel. |
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Post by roland Modin Criket Phone on Jun 22, 2017 8:05:12 GMT -5
the Israelites were meticulous genealogy keepers, I have no valid reason to doubt their history ✌️ Were they now. First of all one would have to have a belief in the bible as some inerrant document. I do not. There may be some truth in the genealogies but not a lot. The example Methuselah for instance is seriously odd. Further to this I do not believe that your god or any other conjured up this earth so that makes your bible no more than a rather tedious novel. But just not believing that what others have long believed, certainly can evoke dispair? Then again, to produce a "new and improved" geneological timeline , bloodline, could hardly be possible without common sources with the sources you hold to be corrupted? I believe that either a geneologist could help you to find answers to you question of Methuselahs blood line, if you want that issue resolved. |
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Post by snow on Jun 22, 2017 15:37:57 GMT -5
Matthew and Luke give two different genealogies of Jesus! They both can't be right. Human beings .... generally...... have 2 geneologies... Perhaps unless there was unsustainable issues Not when a virgin gives birth. |
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Post by rational on Jun 23, 2017 10:00:25 GMT -5
More problems with the Job, if you really read story .... 42:2 "I know that thou canst do every thing..." Not all powerful??? Canst is the second person singular present of can. So, yes, omnipotent. |
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Post by rational on Jun 23, 2017 10:03:36 GMT -5
Human beings .... generally...... have 2 geneologies... Perhaps unless there was unsustainable issues Not when a virgin gives birth. If the claim is that one is the family of Mary and the other is the family of Joseph (which has nothing to do with Jesus) I think people should reasonably expect to see the genealogy of god. Or at least have a DNA sample for testing. |
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Post by rational on Jun 23, 2017 10:10:02 GMT -5
This could be your opinion, nevertheless, should we agree that as things move forward, we should hold people accountable for eternity. if they misrepresent and stamp out people's beliefs that are true as the day is long, Yet because their faith was weak , they allowed their beliefs to be stamped out?? You can be accountable for teaching things that are false, and it should be Known that the beliefs you usher in could cause eternal pain and remorse ... Just some thoughts... Their beliefs were not stamped out because their faith was weak but because their beliefs were proven to be wrong. Again, if you feel strongly regarding some of your beliefs all you have to do is support them with verifiable proof. Demonstrate, for example, that prayer has greater efficacy than random chance. |
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Post by rational on Jun 23, 2017 10:21:53 GMT -5
the Israelites were meticulous genealogy keepers, I have no valid reason to doubt their history ✌️ So were the Egyptains. The number of people who left Egypt, according to the bible, would have been in the 2 million range. Plus the cattle. Seems like someone would have made a note: "Cut back a bit on the dinner reservations." 2 million people getting water from a single spring coming out of a rock. Consider the sewer system for a city of 2 million. Now consider the system for 2 million people wandering in the desert. So odd that no trace of these 2 million people has not been found. Any of these reasons to doubt their history? If the 2 million people were walking 12 abreast, separated by 3 feet, the line would have been about` 100 miles long. |
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Post by xna on Jun 23, 2017 10:24:40 GMT -5
More problems with the Job, if you really read story .... 42:2 "I know that thou canst do every thing..." Not all powerful??? Canst is the second person singular present of can. So, yes, omnipotent. Good catch. Thanks So Job 42:2 says god is omnipotent. What about this verse? And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. —Judges 1:19 |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 23, 2017 12:40:21 GMT -5
Canst is the second person singular present of can. So, yes, omnipotent. Good catch. Thanks So Job 42:2 says god is omnipotent. What about this verse? And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. —Judges 1:19 Iron chariots aye! What year was that? |
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Post by rational on Jun 23, 2017 13:37:42 GMT -5
Canst is the second person singular present of can. So, yes, omnipotent. Good catch. Thanks So Job 42:2 says god is omnipotent. What about this verse? And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. —Judges 1:19 Imagine the discussion when confronted with people who have intercontinental ballistic missiles armed with multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles. Makes the chariots of iron look like soapbox derby cars... |
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Post by snow on Jun 23, 2017 16:09:12 GMT -5
Not when a virgin gives birth. If the claim is that one is the family of Mary and the other is the family of Joseph (which has nothing to do with Jesus) I think people should reasonably expect to see the genealogy of god. Or at least have a DNA sample for testing. Ha! Good luck with that. He's his own grandpa! |
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Post by snow on Jun 23, 2017 16:13:23 GMT -5
Canst is the second person singular present of can. So, yes, omnipotent. Good catch. Thanks So Job 42:2 says god is omnipotent. What about this verse? And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. —Judges 1:19 Yes the Hebrew God of War Yahweh did seem to have trouble with Iron. Interesting that! |
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Post by xna on Jun 23, 2017 16:30:22 GMT -5
Good catch. Thanks So Job 42:2 says god is omnipotent. What about this verse? And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. —Judges 1:19 Iron chariots aye! What year was that? I read ......
No one knows who or when the book of Job was written.
Iron age in the middle east was (1200 - 539 BC)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 16:32:38 GMT -5
Iron chariots aye! What year was that? I read ......
No one knows who or when the book of Job was written.
Iron age in the middle east was (1200 - 539 BC)
it was probably before the flood as it mentions dinosaurs leviathan and behemoth... |
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Post by xna on Jun 23, 2017 16:46:11 GMT -5
it was probably before the flood as it mentions dinosaurs leviathan and behemoth... What year was the flood? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 17:26:42 GMT -5
it was probably before the flood as it mentions dinosaurs leviathan and behemoth... What year was the flood? about 2300-2500 BC... |
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Post by rational on Jun 23, 2017 18:01:21 GMT -5
Iron chariots aye! What year was that? I read ......
No one knows who or when the book of Job was written.
Iron age in the middle east was (1200 - 539 BC)
But then, the book in question was Judges... (some claim it was written about 550 BCE so iron was the new technology) |
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Post by xna on Jun 23, 2017 18:48:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 18:53:26 GMT -5
2 thoughts 1. the dating system is seriously flawed 2. after the flood people built on the ruins of older flooded cities....there would have been ruins everywhere... |
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Post by rational on Jun 23, 2017 22:54:19 GMT -5
2 thoughts 1. the dating system is seriously flawed Can you shed any light on the data that led you to this conclusion? Tell us more about the 'flood people'. Why would their build cause ruins everywhere? Were they the only group building? |
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Post by xna on Jun 24, 2017 6:23:22 GMT -5
Noah's Ark is Plagiarized. Here's how we know ...
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