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Post by xna on Jun 17, 2017 22:42:22 GMT -5
Starting to die, is not the same as being dead. It says " in that day that you eat from it you will surely die." A day is one revolution of the earth, & one revolution later they were still alive. They did not die that day. your trying to apply your interpretation of death to Gods that wont work... The vernacular of "die" is; To stop living, become dead What do you say gods meaning of "die" is? |
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 22:45:03 GMT -5
Likely to show the great mercies , He gave them time to get their lives in order, in a "God-day." IMO
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Post by xna on Jun 17, 2017 22:48:28 GMT -5
Starting to die, is not the same as being dead. It says " in that day that you eat from it you will surely die." A day is one revolution of the earth, & one revolution later they were still alive. They did not die that day. I don't know lot about the culture then, nevertheless, no man lived to 1000 years, which is a day to Gods eyes, and He spoke it, and you and I can believe it, And death is the beginning of a new life, either with or separated from Goodness, the choice is yours, ‼️ You quoted " And since a day for God is as a thousand years". The using that logic then, Methuselah would have lived 969 years x 1,000 or 979,000 years! Neither 969, or 979,000 years makes sense. |
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 22:48:32 GMT -5
It is impossible for God to lie, but He loves to do what He does.
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Post by xna on Jun 17, 2017 22:50:24 GMT -5
It is impossible for God to lie, but He loves to do what He does. Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1 Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets. 2 Chronicles 18:22 Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people. Jeremiah 4:10 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jeremiah 20:7 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekiel 14:9 For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 |
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 22:51:14 GMT -5
I don't know lot about the culture then, nevertheless, no man lived to 1000 years, which is a day to Gods eyes, and He spoke it, and you and I can believe it, And death is the beginning of a new life, either with or separated from Goodness, the choice is yours, ‼️ You quoted " And since a day for God is as a thousand years". The using that logic then, Methuselah would have lived 969 years x 1,000 or 979,000 years! Neither 969, or 979,000 years makes sense. Don't confuse carnal measurements, with symbolisms |
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 22:55:25 GMT -5
It is impossible for God to lie, but He loves to do what He does. Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1 Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets. 2 Chronicles 18:22 Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people. Jeremiah 4:10 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jeremiah 20:7 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekiel 14:9 For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 There is the reality that you will reap what you sow. That's just the way things are always done here |
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Post by xna on Jun 17, 2017 22:58:28 GMT -5
Don't confuse carnal measurements, with symbolisms It's clear the bible uses metaphor like " I am the gate. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture." I think we would both agree that Jesus is not a gate but a metaphor for gate. The problem arises in many other less clear verses where some take them as metaphor and others take them literally. Let's say you were Jesus and you had the worlds most important message, then wouldn't you want to speak plainly and clearly so all knew exactly what your meant instead he used metaphors and parables. |
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 23:00:59 GMT -5
Satan believed God provides good things to those He loved
And He does. Even when Satan tries to discourage people as he did with Job.
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Post by xna on Jun 17, 2017 23:06:00 GMT -5
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 There is the reality that you will reap what you sow. That's just the way things are always done here You said "it is impossible for god to lie", but 2 Thessalonians 2:11says " For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."Either god lies, or god does not lie. Both can not be true. This has nothing to do with farming. |
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 23:06:14 GMT -5
Don't confuse carnal measurements, with symbolisms It's clear the bible uses metaphor like " I am the gate. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture." I think we would both agree that Jesus is not a gate but a metaphor for gate. The problem arises in many other less clear verses where some take them as metaphor and others take them literally. Let's say you were Jesus and you had the worlds most important message, then wouldn't you want to speak plainly and clearly so all knew exactly what your meant instead he used metaphors and parables. Well , it's certainly clear, when you understand the precepts Precept upon precept, seeing but not seeing, hearing but not hearing, the Bible was written to enlighten the blind |
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Post by xna on Jun 17, 2017 23:08:28 GMT -5
Satan believed God provides good things to those He loved And He does. Even when Satan tries to discourage people as he did with Job. Job is a horrible story. God and Satan made Job suffer on a bet, just for fun. |
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 23:09:11 GMT -5
There is the reality that you will reap what you sow. That's just the way things are always done here You said "it is impossible for god to lie", but 2 Thessalonians 2:11says " For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."Either god lies, or god does not lie. Both can not be true. This has nothing to do with farming. It is what it is, you cannot change the laws and precepts that rule your world, doesn't matter what you think you know, it can't be done |
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Post by xna on Jun 17, 2017 23:12:36 GMT -5
You said "it is impossible for god to lie", but 2 Thessalonians 2:11says " For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."Either god lies, or god does not lie. Both can not be true. This has nothing to do with farming. It is what it is, you cannot change the laws and precepts that rule your world, doesn't matter what you think you know, it can't be done Have a good evening "So", neither is making progress. Perhaps some day we can "reason together'. |
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 23:15:39 GMT -5
Satan believed God provides good things to those He loved And He does. Even when Satan tries to discourage people as he did with Job. Job is a horrible story. God and Satan made Job suffer on bet, just for fun. Can we expect Satan to treat anyone better than he treated Job? That's more than horrible that we have an enemy that Would stoop that low‼️ You choose who to believe, the evolutionist-Satan or Creator God. |
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 23:25:47 GMT -5
It is what it is, you cannot change the laws and precepts that rule your world, doesn't matter what you think you know, it can't be done Have a good evening "So", neither is making progress. Perhaps some day we can "reason together'. A delusion , creates a confusion, the confusion leads the error into a Maze so confusing you don't know right from wrong, truth from a lie, thus they believe a lie.... sad, huh? |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 18, 2017 3:11:07 GMT -5
I think a person might choose to take a certain action but whether it is a good or bad action is a judgement call. Jean Valjean stole bread for his starving sister and family and ended up spending almost 20 years in prison. Javert thought what he had done was bad but Bishop Myriel covered up the fact that Jean Valjean had taken his silver. But then, in another story Rodion Raskolnikov rides the ups and downs of his deeds in a long (and, for me, oft confusing) story of committing a crime and the attempted justification of the act. Not sure whether the act is good or bad unless evaluated in the context of the circumstances surrounding the event. Home invaders who break into people's homes, rob and rape them, is that good or bad by any standards? Is there a judgement call there? That can go under the bad side of the ledger. Not sure why some people play with semantics on this forum. However your God ordered his tribe to do simialar stuff. Killing, stealing and so on. Was that good or bad? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 3:35:21 GMT -5
Home invaders who break into people's homes, rob and rape them, is that good or bad by any standards? Is there a judgement call there? That can go under the bad side of the ledger. Not sure why some people play with semantics on this forum. However your God ordered his tribe to do simialar stuff. Killing, stealing and so on. Was that good or bad? OK, you admit that it comes under the side of the bad ledger. The remainder of your comment is irrelevant to a believer. What God does is well done, He knows best and He is the almighty author and finisher of all things. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 18, 2017 3:52:37 GMT -5
That can go under the bad side of the ledger. Not sure why some people play with semantics on this forum. However your God ordered his tribe to do simialar stuff. Killing, stealing and so on. Was that good or bad? OK, you admit that it comes under the side of the bad ledger. The remainder of your comment is irrelevant to a believer. What God does is well done, He knows best and He is the almighty author and finisher of all things. Is there any chance he could show us how to do that water into wine trick? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 10:28:19 GMT -5
OK, you admit that it comes under the side of the bad ledger. The remainder of your comment is irrelevant to a believer. What God does is well done, He knows best and He is the almighty author and finisher of all things. Is there any chance he could show us how to do that water into wine trick? I will treat that with the contempt it deserves. Ask a silly question and get a silly answer.  |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 18, 2017 13:06:04 GMT -5
Is there any chance he could show us how to do that water into wine trick? I will treat that with the contempt it deserves. Ask a silly question and get a silly answer. Well then how about how to understand what a donkey is talking about. Or turning sticks into snakes. You are the one that believes the bible and believes in a god that authorized this stuff. Surely you see how silly this archaic fairy tale stuff is, that in times gone by was used to describe an event when they did not have the science to understand it or in many cases was just plain wishful thinking. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 18, 2017 13:41:07 GMT -5
Is there any chance he could show us how to do that water into wine trick? I will treat that with the contempt it deserves. Ask a silly question and get a silly answer. You believe this silly stuff. I do not have contempt for you, only pity that you are one of many that is being duped. |
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Post by snow on Jun 18, 2017 14:54:58 GMT -5
The God of the OT had no trouble ordering his chosen people to create murder and mayhem. That God, imo, is not worthy of worship even if he did exist. And who said you could eat things ? You have no problem eating things that have "life" in them.. As we consider justice for all living things, how can anyone escape Unscathed , except the One that promised that we would all have an eternity to ponder our conscience, and consciousness/(aka)our reasonings.... but as for the material world, it will disappear/..... Just my thoughts, you are entitled to disagree of course. Of course. I eat but I don't order men women children and animals all killed on a whim. |
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Post by snow on Jun 18, 2017 15:32:06 GMT -5
Job is a horrible story. God and Satan made Job suffer on bet, just for fun. Can we expect Satan to treat anyone better than he treated Job? That's more than horrible that we have an enemy that Would stoop that low‼️ You choose who to believe, the evolutionist-Satan or Creator God. God was in on the game just as much as Satan. They actually had a bet about how faithful poor old Job would be and God allowed the devil to do all kinds of things to him. That's just nasty. I have no respect for the Christian God. I have researched the history of many religions and many different Gods and beliefs and the Christian God is one of the worst out there. btw choosing to believe in God is a choice to disregard the facts that science has discovered. Cognitive dissonance is the only outcome I found trying to have faith that religions require. |
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Post by snow on Jun 18, 2017 16:21:49 GMT -5
That can go under the bad side of the ledger. Not sure why some people play with semantics on this forum. However your God ordered his tribe to do simialar stuff. Killing, stealing and so on. Was that good or bad? OK, you admit that it comes under the side of the bad ledger. The remainder of your comment is irrelevant to a believer. What God does is well done, He knows best and He is the almighty author and finisher of all things. For me it did just the opposite and became the reason I questioned. I couldn't justify the horrific things the OT God did. Genocide does not ever come down on the side of 'knows best' in my world. God is supposed to be all loving all merciful and all powerful and all knowing. Yet he decided that his creation had gone so bad he had to kill them all except for a select few. That doesn't sound like an all merciful God and especially not an all knowing God. He should have known ahead of time that this would happen and not been so angry that he had to kill everyone. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 18, 2017 17:12:58 GMT -5
That can go under the bad side of the ledger. Not sure why some people play with semantics on this forum. However your God ordered his tribe to do simialar stuff. Killing, stealing and so on. Was that good or bad? OK, you admit that it comes under the side of the bad ledger. The remainder of your comment is irrelevant to a believer. What God does is well done, He knows best and He is the almighty author and finisher of all things. |
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Post by rational on Jun 18, 2017 18:38:53 GMT -5
And who said you could eat things ? You have no problem eating things that have "life" in them.. As we consider justice for all living things, how can anyone escape Unscathed , except the One that promised that we would all have an eternity to ponder our conscience, and consciousness/(aka)our reasonings.... but as for the material world, it will disappear/..... Just my thoughts, you are entitled to disagree of course. Of course. I eat but I don't order men women children and animals all killed on a whim. Much of this falls under I55 - a non-answer than cannot be falsified so it is useless. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 18, 2017 22:17:50 GMT -5
Starting to die, is not the same as being dead. It says " in that day that you eat from it you will surely die." A day is one revolution of the earth, & one revolution later they were still alive. They did not die that day. I don't know lot about the culture then, nevertheless, no man lived to 1000 years, which is a day to Gods eyes, and He spoke it, and you and I can believe it, And death is the beginning of a new life, either with or separated from Goodness, the choice is yours, ‼️ |
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