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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 16:01:02 GMT -5
if people are going to be bad, they don't need any other reason to be bad. Some people are going to be bad regardless of their spiritual beliefs or lack of beliefs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 13:52:47 GMT -5
if people are going to be bad, they don't need any other reason to be bad. Some people are going to be bad regardless of their spiritual beliefs or lack of beliefs. Normally we all have three choices: be good, be bad or be indifferent. If we are unable to decide which one we can put them in a hat, close our eyes and pick one out of the hat.  |
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Post by rational on Jun 14, 2017 0:08:25 GMT -5
if people are going to be bad, they don't need any other reason to be bad. Some people are going to be bad regardless of their spiritual beliefs or lack of beliefs. Normally we all have three choices: be good, be bad or be indifferent. If we are unable to decide which one we can put them in a hat, close our eyes and pick one out of the hat. :D Does a person choose to be bad? |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 14, 2017 0:17:22 GMT -5
The name of the thread is simplistic to start with.
Life is a lot more complicated than just being "BAD" or "GOOD."
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 14, 2017 0:25:19 GMT -5
"Good" and "bad" are concepts that are totally open to interpretation
from one person to another. Even the definitions of the words are
of necessity ambiguous.
Each word begs two question:
What makes it bad?
Why is that considered bad?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 6:38:06 GMT -5
Normally we all have three choices: be good, be bad or be indifferent. If we are unable to decide which one we can put them in a hat, close our eyes and pick one out of the hat. Does a person choose to be bad? I believe that some do. Some apparently choose to go down that road. Can you prove that it is not so? |
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Post by rational on Jun 14, 2017 9:14:52 GMT -5
Does a person choose to be bad? I am believe some do. Some apparently choose to go down that road. Can you prove that it is not so? I think a person might choose to take a certain action but whether it is a good or bad action is a judgement call. Jean Valjean stole bread for his starving sister and family and ended up spending almost 20 years in prison. Javert thought what he had done was bad but Bishop Myriel covered up the fact that Jean Valjean had taken his silver. But then, in another story Rodion Raskolnikov rides the ups and downs of his deeds in a long (and, for me, oft confusing) story of committing a crime and the attempted justification of the act. Not sure whether the act is good or bad unless evaluated in the context of the circumstances surrounding the event. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 11:30:10 GMT -5
I am believe some do. Some apparently choose to go down that road. Can you prove that it is not so? I think a person might choose to take a certain action but whether it is a good or bad action is a judgement call. Jean Valjean stole bread for his starving sister and family and ended up spending almost 20 years in prison. Javert thought what he had done was bad but Bishop Myriel covered up the fact that Jean Valjean had taken his silver. But then, in another story Rodion Raskolnikov rides the ups and downs of his deeds in a long (and, for me, oft confusing) story of committing a crime and the attempted justification of the act. Not sure whether the act is good or bad unless evaluated in the context of the circumstances surrounding the event. Home invaders who break into people's homes, rob and rape them, is that good or bad by any standards? Is there a judgement call there? |
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Post by So on Jun 14, 2017 18:12:58 GMT -5
Perhaps it's like we need to have justification, in order for something to be judged as "good" .
Ultimately, there is only one source for Good, and that is from God.
IMO
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Post by So on Jun 14, 2017 18:16:35 GMT -5
And of course , if we hurtfully deceive people, we need to consider the long term infliction that such will cause.
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Post by So on Jun 14, 2017 18:30:59 GMT -5
So , if there is no Super- standard that prevails, then
everything disintegrates into chaos/futility, as Solomon experienced, all the things of this earthly house is vanity and vexation of spirit, and yet he understood , that when we hear Gods voice, we should
harken to it, and not depart from his precepts/laws. That we
may live a "good life". .......jmt
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Post by So on Jun 15, 2017 22:17:19 GMT -5
How can a person be described as a bad or good "...."
If you are bad, does that mean you cannot see?
When we are enlightened, we can see, yes, but do we understand what we see?
Seeing but not seeing, hearing but not hearing, (hmm) smelling but not really smelling, conscious but not conscious.
There is a visible and invisible application for these senses, and if we have common sense, we can see and be enlightened, even when the "lights" are low... hmmmmm.,,,
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Post by rational on Jun 16, 2017 21:47:11 GMT -5
I think a person might choose to take a certain action but whether it is a good or bad action is a judgement call. Jean Valjean stole bread for his starving sister and family and ended up spending almost 20 years in prison. Javert thought what he had done was bad but Bishop Myriel covered up the fact that Jean Valjean had taken his silver. But then, in another story Rodion Raskolnikov rides the ups and downs of his deeds in a long (and, for me, oft confusing) story of committing a crime and the attempted justification of the act. Not sure whether the act is good or bad unless evaluated in the context of the circumstances surrounding the event. Home invaders who break into people's homes, rob and rape them, is that good or bad by any standards? Is there a judgement call there? I believe this is close to the orders given by the god of the OT to his people regarding the people they were invading at the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 5:37:48 GMT -5
Home invaders who break into people's homes, rob and rape them, is that good or bad by any standards? Is there a judgement call there? I believe this is close to the orders given by the god of the OT to his people regarding the people they were invading at the time. Man that response speak volumes about you, Adios, over and out.  |
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 6:55:16 GMT -5
Home invaders who break into people's homes, rob and rape them, is that good or bad by any standards? Is there a judgement call there? I believe this is close to the orders given by the god of the OT to his people regarding the people they were invading at the time. God, known to His people as (aka: Creator of all) has guidelines for us to "live by"... Because His people were chosen for the purpose to demonstrate His kindness, yet , a cardinal rule even in a society that has no thought toward our Creator, Trust and obeying are Paramount to Life. When we fail in this basic premise, we miss the whole point of a conscious life, we become "lifeless", in truth. We might think we "know " what real life is but we don't. "Living, they live not!" Our Creator can be trusted, but whoa to those who do not trust, for they are already dead(In and to :the eternal concepts) Is material life , "fair"? At times we don't understand why things don't seem "fair" , but as we trust the One worthy of our trust, we find we get more than a fair chance to trust and be trusted, love because we were first loved. In my opinion....... |
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 7:10:35 GMT -5
personally, I do not believe the " intelligence " world
can be comprehended by the "material" world.
Intelligence governs the materialism/matter.
Intelligence has always existed, it is eternal, materialism is just
a small small world, that exists as a flower in the field, here today, gone tomorrow..... Why? Because of how it was created, all presumed by the way the DNA/RNA gives its outline /timeline....
All for the purpose, it was designed for.
To everything there is a purpose, a time for everything under "heaven" .
That means heaven rules over all matter/material, for which it was created
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 7:27:23 GMT -5
So, after thousands of years to ponder this question....
"who told Adam and Eve that : they were , "....,........"
(chose the concept )
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Post by snow on Jun 17, 2017 14:23:56 GMT -5
The God of the OT had no trouble ordering his chosen people to create murder and mayhem. That God, imo, is not worthy of worship even if he did exist.
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Post by xna on Jun 17, 2017 16:31:14 GMT -5
So, after thousands of years to ponder this question.... "who told Adam and Eve that : they were , "....,........" (chose the concept ) "without a belly button" |
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 17:35:33 GMT -5
So, after thousands of years to ponder this question.... "who told Adam and Eve that : they were , "....,........" (chose the concept ) "without a belly button" Who told them? |
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 17:44:20 GMT -5
The God of the OT had no trouble ordering his chosen people to create murder and mayhem. That God, imo, is not worthy of worship even if he did exist. And who said you could eat things ? You have no problem eating things that have "life" in them.. As we consider justice for all living things, how can anyone escape Unscathed , except the One that promised that we would all have an eternity to ponder our conscience, and consciousness/(aka)our reasonings.... but as for the material world, it will disappear/..... Just my thoughts, you are entitled to disagree of course. |
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Post by xna on Jun 17, 2017 17:48:22 GMT -5
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 20:26:13 GMT -5
[ha Ok, but seriously..... Who told Adam and Eve that they were "n_ k_d" ? a serious situation, and it was properly addressed and remedied. donthink that they were still in the same boat, but there "_ _ _........" was covered, conscience was healed, they could move on with other issues in their lives. The day they disobeyed , it was said that they would die. And since a day for God is as a thousand years. They were both dead in that "day". If you want to live, you need to know what real living is , if you know this, you have much to be thankful for. IMHO. |
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Post by xna on Jun 17, 2017 21:15:40 GMT -5
[ha Ok, but seriously..... Who told Adam and Eve that they were "n_ k_d" ? a serious situation, and it was properly addressed and remedied. donthink that they were still in the same boat, but there "_ _ _........" was covered, conscience was healed, they could move on with other issues in their lives. The day they disobeyed , it was said that they would die. And since a day for God is as a thousand years. They were both dead in that "day". If you want to live, you need to know what real living is , if you know this, you have much to be thankful for. IMHO. The bible starting with Genesis has many inconsistencies & contradictions, so you can't take it literally, or consider it a serious recording of fact. In Genesis it says that Adam and Eve were both originally naked, "but they were not ashamed." After they ate of the Tree of Knowledge, we are told that "the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked." This of course makes no sense, as even a blind man knows if he is naked or not. BTW this story has the first lie by god in Genesis 2:17 you read "but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." They ate but did NOT die. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 22:03:57 GMT -5
[ha Ok, but seriously..... Who told Adam and Eve that they were "n_ k_d" ? a serious situation, and it was properly addressed and remedied. donthink that they were still in the same boat, but there "_ _ _........" was covered, conscience was healed, they could move on with other issues in their lives. The day they disobeyed , it was said that they would die. And since a day for God is as a thousand years. They were both dead in that "day". If you want to live, you need to know what real living is , if you know this, you have much to be thankful for. IMHO. BTW this story has the first lie by god in Genesis 2:17 you read "but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." They ate but did NOT die. they started dying the minute they took the first bite... |
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Post by xna on Jun 17, 2017 22:26:10 GMT -5
BTW this story has the first lie by god in Genesis 2:17 you read "but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." They ate but did NOT die. they started dying the minute they took the first bite... Starting to die, is not the same as being dead. It says " in that day that you eat from it you will surely die." A day is one revolution of the earth, & one revolution later they were still alive. They did not die that day. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 22:31:16 GMT -5
they started dying the minute they took the first bite... Starting to die, is not the same as being dead. It says " in that day that you eat from it you will surely die." A day is one revolution of the earth, & one revolution later they were still alive. They did not die that day. your trying to apply your interpretation of death to Gods that wont work... |
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Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 22:40:29 GMT -5
they started dying the minute they took the first bite... Starting to die, is not the same as being dead. It says " in that day that you eat from it you will surely die." A day is one revolution of the earth, & one revolution later they were still alive. They did not die that day. I don't know lot about the culture then, nevertheless, no man lived to 1000 years, which is a day to Gods eyes, and He spoke it, and you and I can believe it, And death is the beginning of a new life, either with or separated from Goodness, the choice is yours, ‼️ |
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