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Post by rational on Oct 2, 2016 23:50:56 GMT -5
I did get the word out, I posted the information on Harley Byrd background on my website...Harley Andrew Byrd father is Richard E. Byrd Jr. Richard E. Byrd Jr. father is Richard E. Byrd the 2 stars admiral.
Harley A. Byrd was born in September 20, 1938. In 2016 Harley A. Byrd is now 77 yrs old living California, USA. So that make Harley Andrew Byrd is the grandson of Richard E. Byrd. Just stating this is not proof. Where does the information originate? Here is the real story from the Byrd family tree: Children of Richard E. Byrd Jr.Richard and Janice Byrd Leverett and Cathy Byrd Ames Byrd and Nancy Tehan Harry and Nancy Byrd Alas, no Harley...Yet another source: Admiral Byrd was married (January 20, 1915) to the former Marie Donaldson Ames [he named a region of Antarctic land he discovered “Marie Byrd Land”] and had four children - His son Richard Evelyn Byrd Jr., - the grandchildren Richard Byrd, Leverett S. Byrd, Ames Byrd, and Harry Flood Byrd II. www.geni.com/people/Rear-Adm-Richard-E-Byrd-Jr-Polar-Explorer/6000000010524688686You see NathanB, Richard E. Byrd Jr. had four (4) children and not one of them was named Harley. So where did this grandson come from? Who are his parents? But you must have some proof that Harley does exist or you would not believe the stories Stranges told. Please share it with us.
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 3, 2016 1:50:22 GMT -5
Just stating this is not proof. Where does the information originate? Here is the real story from the Byrd family tree: Children of Richard E. Byrd Jr.Richard and Janice Byrd Leverett and Cathy Byrd Ames Byrd and Nancy Tehan Harry and Nancy Byrd Alas, no Harley...Yet another source: Admiral Byrd was married (January 20, 1915) to the former Marie Donaldson Ames [he named a region of Antarctic land he discovered “Marie Byrd Land”] and had four children - His son Richard Evelyn Byrd Jr., - the grandchildren Richard Byrd, Leverett S. Byrd, Ames Byrd, and Harry Flood Byrd II. www.geni.com/people/Rear-Adm-Richard-E-Byrd-Jr-Polar-Explorer/6000000010524688686 You see NathanB, Richard E. Byrd Jr. had four (4) children and not one of them was named Harley.So where did this grandson come from? Who are his parents? But you must have some proof that Harley does exist or you would not believe the stories Stranges told. Please share it with us. We went through this before many times, rational... Your source said 4 children... the source below said, he had 5 children. Harley Byrd is #5.
Richard E. Byrd III (Jr,) was born in 1920.
Harley A. Byrd was born in September 20, 1938. So, Harley Byrd was born when his father Richard E. Byrd (Jr.) was 18 years old. Harley Byrd was born before Richard E. Byrd Jr. married Emily Saltonstall in 1948 (divorced in 2006). They had 4 children together. Richard E. Byrd III (Jr.) Admiral Richard E. Byrd's only son, Richard Evelyn Byrd III (usually referred to as Richard E. Byrd, Jr.) was born in 1920. He was a graduate of Milton Academy and Harvard College. During World War II he was commissioned an ensign in the Naval Reserve on April 6, 1942 and was promoted to lieutenant (junior grade) on January 1, 1944. He was promoted to lieutenant by the war's end and was promoted to the rank of lieutenant commander in the Naval Reserve after the war. He accompanied his father on Operation Highjump in 1946. In 1948, he married Emily Saltonstall (d. 2006), the daughter of longtime Massachusetts Senator Leverett Saltonstall. They divorced in 1960. He had five children and six grandchildren.
He died in early October 1988 at the age of 68. His body was found in a warehouse in Baltimore, Maryland. He had gone missing on September 13, 1988 after being placed on a train in Boston bound for Washington, D.C. Byrd was supposed to attend an event at the National Geographic Society honoring his father's 100th birthday, but never arrived. He was buried, like his father, in Arlington National Cemetery. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_E._Byrd nathan, the above link you shared stated that he had 4 children not 5 !! "Marriage[edit] On January 20, 1915, Richard married Marie Donaldson Ames (d. 1974). He would later name a region of Antarctic land he discovered "Marie Byrd Land" after her. They had four children – Richard Evelyn Byrd III, Evelyn Bolling Byrd Clarke, Katharine Agnes Byrd Breyer, and Helen Byrd Stabler. By late 1924, the Byrd family moved into a large brownstone at 9 Brimmer Street in Boston's fashionable Beacon Hill neighborhood[2] that had been purchased by Marie's father, a wealthy industrialist.[3] It would be Byrd's primary residence for the rest of his life. Noted naval historian Samuel Eliot Morison also lived on Brimmer Street."
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 3, 2016 2:02:12 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Oct 3, 2016 6:58:54 GMT -5
Just stating this is not proof. Where does the information originate? Here is the real story from the Byrd family tree: Children of Richard E. Byrd Jr.Richard and Janice Byrd Leverett and Cathy Byrd Ames Byrd and Nancy Tehan Harry and Nancy Byrd Alas, no Harley...Yet another source: Admiral Byrd was married (January 20, 1915) to the former Marie Donaldson Ames [he named a region of Antarctic land he discovered “Marie Byrd Land”] and had four children - His son Richard Evelyn Byrd Jr., - the grandchildren Richard Byrd, Leverett S. Byrd, Ames Byrd, and Harry Flood Byrd II. www.geni.com/people/Rear-Adm-Richard-E-Byrd-Jr-Polar-Explorer/6000000010524688686 You see NathanB, Richard E. Byrd Jr. had four (4) children and not one of them was named Harley.So where did this grandson come from? Who are his parents? But you must have some proof that Harley does exist or you would not believe the stories Stranges told. Please share it with us. We went through this before many times, rational... Your source said 4 children... the source below said, he had 5 children. Harley Byrd is #5.
Richard E. Byrd III (Jr,) was born in 1920.
Harley A. Byrd was born in September 20, 1938. So, Harley Byrd was born when his father Richard E. Byrd (Jr.) was 18 years old. Harley Byrd was born before Richard E. Byrd Jr. married to he married Emily Saltonstall in 1948 (d. 2006) Richard E. Byrd III (Jr.) Admiral Richard E. Byrd's only son, Richard Evelyn Byrd III (usually referred to as Richard E. Byrd, Jr.) was born in 1920. He was a graduate of Milton Academy and Harvard College. During World War II he was commissioned an ensign in the Naval Reserve on April 6, 1942 and was promoted to lieutenant (junior grade) on January 1, 1944. He was promoted to lieutenant by the war's end and was promoted to the rank of lieutenant commander in the Naval Reserve after the war. He accompanied his father on Operation Highjump in 1946. In 1948, he married Emily Saltonstall (d. 2006), the daughter of longtime Massachusetts Senator Leverett Saltonstall. They divorced in 1960. He had five children and six grandchildren.
He died in early October 1988 at the age of 68. His body was found in a warehouse in Baltimore, Maryland. He had gone missing on September 13, 1988 after being placed on a train in Boston bound for Washington, D.C. Byrd was supposed to attend an event at the National Geographic Society honoring his father's 100th birthday, but never arrived. He was buried, like his father, in Arlington National Cemetery. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_E._Byrd NathanB, I have multiple sources that claim 4 children and the children are named. You have a wikipedia entry with not a single mention of the child's name. Come up with a source that names Harley as part of the Byrd family tree. You can't just make up a name because it suits your beliefs. Man Found Dead Was No Derelict Adm. Byrd's Only Son Died In Old Warehouse October 9, 1988|By The Baltimore Sun
BALTIMORE — The old man found dead in the vacant, debris-strewn warehouse Monday looked like a derelict.
He was wearing what appeared to be green workman's clothes and one shoe. The custodian who found him recalls having run him off the property a few days earlier. He had seemed a polite nuisance, just another drifter looking for a dry place to sleep.
But the man, who died of malnutrition and dehydration according to early tests, was not one of Baltimore's homeless. He was Richard E. Byrd Jr., 68, of Boston -- Harvard graduate, father of four grown sons, grandfather of six and the only son of Adm. Richard Evelyn Byrd, the polar explorer and national hero.
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Post by rational on Oct 3, 2016 10:17:41 GMT -5
We went through this before many times, rational... Your source said 4 children... the source below said, he had 5 children. Harley Byrd is #5. If this were the case it would indeed support your case. Nope -- the 5 children is incorrect. Just stating this does not make it so. You will have to have something more than wikipedia to support your claim. Perhaps something like a geneology. Children of William Byrd and Eve McDonald are: + 398 i. Arthur Richard McNealy Byrd, born July 10, 1902; died September 1, 1926 in DIED-Roswell,NM Buried. 399 ii. Christy Melvina Byrd, born August 26, 1905; died Abt. 1923.She married Herbert Arlin Patty January 31, 1922 in Stigler,Haskel CO., OK.; born May 1, 1900; died February 12, 1940. + 400 iii. Tiney Arrine Byrd, born February 19, 1908; died August 1993 in TEMPERANCE, MI.. 401 iv. Loney Harold Byrd, born November 1, 1911; died December 8, 1913 in High Early, Cem. McIntosh CO.,OK.. + 402 v. Everett Byrd, born June 23, 1914 in Muskogee CO.,OK.; died May 17, 1994 in JOHANNESBURG, CALIFORNIA. Everett Byrd was born June 23, 1914 in Muskogee CO.,OK. Children of Everett Byrd and Irene Tarkington are: + 518 i. Eddie Levoy Byrd, born August 20, 1935 in MUSKOGEE OKLAHOMA. + 519 ii. Harley Andrew Byrd, born September 20, 1938 in FULTON, MISS.. Harley Andrew Byrd was born September 20, 1938 in FULTON, MISS. He married (1) Gayle Lewis February 1957 He married (2) Shela Welch 1983 in CALIFORNIA How is this person the grandson of Admiral Byrd?
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Post by howitis on Oct 3, 2016 19:12:40 GMT -5
It would appear even if Harley Byrd is a person he certainly isn't the son or grandson of whom you say Nathan.
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Post by howitis on Oct 3, 2016 19:44:46 GMT -5
Makes no sense at all!!!! Sorry!!!
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Post by rational on Oct 3, 2016 22:55:02 GMT -5
Well, Rational. You asked if Harley really exists as a person? I showed you the picture of Harley A. Byrd looked like in 1957 when he included his picture with his report of Valiant Thor landing. So, we KNOW he is a real person with a face. Harley Byrd even showed the world of his picture. You can look and see the picture yourself, rational.gratisenergi.se/031657.htm How many photos of 'Harley" would you like me to post? And all of them would be as verifiable as yours. Harley Andrew Byrd shipping off to Venus. Note the colorful clips in his hair just behind his ears. They will prevent the electromagnetic radiation from cooking his brain. Harley Andrew Byrd taking some time off. Harley (left) is putting the diamonds he lifted from the store into his pocket to allow him to purchase an air conditioner once they arrive at Venus guest house. Harley Byrd enjoying the underground caves on Mars. Harley before and after treatments for delusion upon realizing that he simply didn't know to whom he was related.
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Post by rational on Oct 3, 2016 23:04:59 GMT -5
Makes no sense at all!!!! Sorry!!! It's very simple! I will make it plain and simple for you to understand. Harley Andrew Byrd was TELLING the TRUTH that he is the grandson of Richard E. Byrd Admiral during Art Bell radio show in 1995.How do you know it was Harley on the phone? But, NathanB, the family record shows that Harley Andrew Byrd was indeed born in 1938 on September 20. You have confirmed the date. But his parents were Everett Byrd and Irene Tarkington. Harley Andrew Byrd was born in FULTON, MISS. This is all public record, NathanB. Come on, I have done your work for you and posted the family tree with the record of Harley being born on the date you stated. sourceDo you have anything at all to support your theory other than the misprint in Wikipedia? Perhaps a reference to the story about the illegitimate birth. Anything. And don't post more YouTube videos or photos or I will have to go back and find more Harley Byrd photos!
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Post by rational on Oct 3, 2016 23:30:12 GMT -5
hahahahaha... Rational... That is the best you can come up with these odds photo? You must do a better job than that... I have shown you that Richard E. Byrd Jr. is the father of Harley Andrew Byrd and he is the grandson of Admiral Richard E. Byrd...... Richard E. Byrd Jr. had 5 children NOT 4. No, NathanB, you haven't. You have stated it without support. Even if the wikipedia error turns out to be correct a 5th child could just as well be Mary or Lucy. I showed the family tree and who the parents of Harley were. Just show a family tree with Harley in line and being the grandson of Admiral Byrd. And the photos are actual photos. That cannot be denied. The Baltimore SunOct 9, 1988 - But the man, who died of malnutrition and dehydration according to early tests, was not one of Baltimore's homeless. He was Richard E. Byrd Jr., 68, of Boston -- Harvard graduate, father of four grown sons, grandfather of six and the only son of Adm. Richard Evelyn Byrd, the polar explorer and national hero.
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Post by rational on Oct 3, 2016 23:39:40 GMT -5
No, NathanB, you haven't. You have stated it without support. Even if the wikipedia error turns out to be correct a 5th child could just as well be Mary or Lucy. I showed the family tree and who the parents of Harley were. Just show a family tree with Harley in line and being the grandson of Admiral Byrd. And the photos are actual photos. That cannot be denied. So, How... Everett Byrd family tree related to Admiral Richard E. Byrd?Different line of the family. Perhaps a second cousin. But the question is why Harley would lie and say he was either the Nephew or Grandson of the admiral. Given those lies (and it can be proved that at least one of them is a lie and perhaps both) why would you believe other junk he claims?
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Post by howitis on Oct 4, 2016 4:22:25 GMT -5
According to you Nathan carrying a flag at a funeral makes you a grandson of the person in the coffin....now I say unto you, this is not so...biology actually teaches us otherwise, genealogy is a little different to that also, lets put it into very simple terms YOU can understand, presuming there are not 2 Harley Byrds with the same birth date..... rational has put his on the line it goes William Byrd begat Everett Byrd, Everett Byrd begat Harley Byrd, yours goes Richard Byrd begat Richard Byrd jnr, Richard Byrd jnr begat Harley Byrd.....2 different lines, doubtful they doubled up on the names for the same birth date!!!
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Post by rational on Oct 4, 2016 10:07:45 GMT -5
2) According to your Byrd's tree line... So, What is the relationship between Admiral Richard E. Byrd to Harley Andrew Byrd? 3rd cousin, 4th cousin or 5th cousin?
The Admiral is not his uncle. The Admiral is not his grandfather. What the relationship is does not really matter. What it is not was the question. The person claiming to be the nephew or grandson or any close relation to Admiral Byrd is a fraud and used his last name to sell the fake diary and the rest of the BS that was being pushed. There is no way that the casket was open at the Arlington National Cemetery grave site and that the wife of the Admiral reached in and took documents out of the coat pocket of the jacket of the Admiral and handed them to Harley. For readers who find this a little odd here is the story: Dr. Harley Byrd, or just plain "Harley" as he preferred to be called claimed, sighting network coverage of his grandfather's funeral that showed him as the flag bearer, that when he presented his grandmother (the Admiral's wife) with the flag (the one that was draped over "the Admiral's" coffin) as is customary, she, at grave side at the Arlington National Cemetary and with camera's rolling, walked over to the coffin, it being still partly open, rumaged around in the inside breast pocket of the jacket "the Admiral" was wearing (we are talking about the self same Admiral Byrd that made many famous and controversial trips to both the North and the South Poles, about whom it has been rumored for years discovered the inner Earth, yep flew right into the 'land beyond the Poles' to a land 'devoid of ice or snow' ... some even saying that he saw a city and landed and ... but we diverge ) ...
Yes the very same Admiral Byrd ... and pulled a manilla envelope out of this pocket and walked back over to Harley (the grandson and the one interviewed on Art Bell last night) and handed it to him. Upon receiving said envelope, Harley, a bit embarrased, not knoing what was in it (money perhaps?) considering how public the whole affair was (the network camera's and *extremely* high Dignitaries in attendance and all) slipped it into his pocket to be looked at later.
What was in the envelope? Well none other than *the Secret Log* of the Admiral's first trip to the North Pole in 1927. Casket looks closed. I don't see anyone rummaging. How would that even happen. The "secret Diary" reads like it was written by a poorly educated 8th grade student. Back to the grave side ceremony-- The flag that had draped the partially open coffin? Open coffin at the grave? The flag bearer, according to news coverage of the event, was a sailor carrying aloft the 2 star flag of a Rear Admiral. Read about it here.The wife going through the clothes of the body at the graveside on national TV? Getting into the Admiral's uniform would have been difficult. And no record remains of all this. An example of some flight logs. This is what would be expected from Admiral Byrd.
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Post by rational on Oct 4, 2016 10:23:45 GMT -5
According to you Nathan carrying a flag at a funeral makes you a grandson of the person in the coffin.... now I say unto you, this is not so... biology actually teaches us otherwise, genealogy is a little different to that also, lets put it into very simple terms YOU can understand, presuming there are not 2 Harley Byrds with the same birth date..... rational has put his on the line it goes William Byrd begat Everett Byrd, Everett Byrd begat Harley Byrd, yours goes Richard Byrd begat Richard Byrd jnr, Richard Byrd jnr begat Harley Byrd.....2 different lines, doubtful they doubled up on the names for the same birth date!!! Well, in the past Rational had stated many times that Harley A. Byrd is NO relation to Admiral Byrd. Now, he changed his mind and said they are related as cousins.No NathanB, I said he was not his nephew or his grandson. Remember, Harley has claimed to be both. And they didn't. The news of the day said it was a sailor. News of the dayYour attention to detail is poor. Maybe the mixup is because you are referring to a different funeral of a different Admiral Byrd that took place 3 days before the funeral of the Admiral Byrd that we are discussing. Richard E. Byrd Jr. does not acknowledge this. Hie real father, however, does. Also, the official record of the funeral is available: Admiral Byrd FuneralIt even tells which members of the Byrd family attended. At 0830 on 14 March, the body of Admiral Byrd arrived in Washington and was taken to the Fort Myer Chapel, with Rear Adm. Charles B. Martell of the Navy acting as escort commander. Admiral Byrd's widow, son, and three daughters meanwhile had arrived from Boston and had been escorted to the chapel.
Chaplain Zimmerman read the brief graveside service. At its close, the 3d Infantry battery fired a second 13-gun salute. A Navy firing squad then delivered three volleys and a Navy bugler sounded taps. The body bearers folded the flag that had draped the casket, and in traditional fashion the flag was presented to the next of kin, thus concluding the final rites for Admiral Byrd.
No mention is a grandson or nephew. No wife opening the casket to grab papers. And yet none of these people can present any verifiable evidence. However, the Byrd family tree does show Harley was not the nephew or grandson of the Admiral as claimed. Do you have any evidence to show that the Byrd family genealogy record is incorrect? NathanB, your story can only be possible if you ignore the verifiable facts.
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 4, 2016 18:49:31 GMT -5
We cannot let facts get in the way of a good story rational ! Its like the rubbish nathan has on his website about the Henderson children, no facts to support his claim. But of course because he thinks his version is right it must be ! I feel for the parents if they ever read what he has on his website.
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Post by woodsman on Oct 4, 2016 19:07:53 GMT -5
Non-truthers. Does God deal with non-truthers was the question. Well all who follow or profess the exclusive William Irving only way doctorine should know the answer to this question shouldn't they? It is one of the real non-truth sects,preacher only and demanded celibacy ministry is as biblical as a blowfly. Also their non recognition of who the Holy Spirit is and the right the give themselves to ostracise anyone who challenges them especially with theological questions,or follower has made a bad personal mistake or crime? (No leave the 99 to nurture the lost one back to the fold,it is easier to gossip and say they are an unwilling). Please as often asked in many board entries,why do you take the title "Truth?" This when so much biblical short commings and terrible coverups have been revealed? Some are still blind or stupid enough to say "Oh that it is the devil attaching us again". " Truth",please explain.
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Post by woodsman on Oct 4, 2016 19:16:06 GMT -5
Dear Roselyn,Re the terrible Henderson kids incedent. The only ones I have heard question the Chandler/Barry type of, maybe, or we think it was ,are still current 2x2s,or reliable still close to 2x2s. Never from a removed scource. Sad,but?
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Post by rational on Oct 4, 2016 19:31:12 GMT -5
Your fact is different from mine... You present your facts and I will present mine... You know my famous saying.. Let the readers decide. Good idea. I presented my facts. When will you be presenting yours? So your argument is that the genealogy of the Byrd family, and other references are wrong because they do not match the claims of Harley Byrd that he is the grandson or nephew of Admiral Byrd? Which of his claims will you be calling the truth and which will you call a lie? How would you choose between the two? The simplest answer is that Harley was born as recorded in the records and, being too distant a relative of Admiral Byrd to to make any money from it, waited until those who would refute his claims died and then said he was a nephew. But that was too easy to dispute since the man he claimed to be his father had no brothers. So the story became one of the grandson. And now NathanB is presenting another guess that maybe the illegitimate son Richard Byrd III was adopted by Everett Byrd. Harley Byrd is a fraud and joined forces with another fraud, Frank Stranges, and have taken a lot of money from gullible people presenting their tall tale as truth. He also claimed that his grandmother, at the gravesite, after the flag had been removed, folded, and presented, got up, walked to the casket, opened the cover, undid the Admiral's uniform and pulled some papers out of the Admiral's pocket. None of which was caught by the photographers or recorded in the military's official account of the proceedings.
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 4, 2016 20:02:43 GMT -5
I have presented my case... Harley Byrd is telling the Truth, he is indeed the son of Richard E. Byrd Jr. that make Admiral Richard E. Byrd his grandfather. That was why Harley Byrd was able to work with a group elite of men who had Above Top Secret clearance in US Navy gov't (UFO, welcome committee of ET visitors and hostile ET beings on and to earth, studying ETs languages, and how to communicate with the ETs) like his grandfather Admiral Byrd was apart of communicating with the ETs in the Hollow earth fly in North Antarctica 1947. Have you personally spoken to him nathan, to know that he is telling the truth ?
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Post by rational on Oct 4, 2016 20:39:13 GMT -5
I have presented my case... Harley Byrd is telling the Truth, he is indeed the son of Richard E. Byrd Jr. that make Admiral Richard E. Byrd his grandfather. That was why Harley Byrd was able to work with a group elite of men who had Above Top Secret clearance in US Navy gov't (UFO, welcome committee of ET visitors and hostile ET beings on and to earth) like his grandfather Admiral Byrd was apart of. And I have presented facts that can be verified from additional sources. Here is information on security clearences: There are three levels, in ascending order: Confidential, Secret and Top Secret. There are many subcategories, but the only one that is relevant here is an elite category of Top Secret called Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented information, or TS/SCI. It is for people who have Top Secret clearances but who may, in order to do their jobs, need to know certain information that is especially sensitive, such as sources and methods of intelligence-gathering. A TS/SCI clearance allows them to know the information they need, but it is not a blanket clearance for all extremely sensitive information. That's why it's called "compartmented." Making up various levels of security to make it seem like a person had enhanced status is a red flag indicating a made up story. Various people in the stories you have been posting claim security levels like Rhyolite-38. What good is a security level that is not known to exist? It would be like saying you are a gorgedget champion - meaningless since no one knows what "gorgedget" is. Of course, naming a security level after a rock would be something a geologist would do. This is the response to a question regarding the people upon who you base some of your stories: In regards to your 'What about Rhyolite Clearance' I am writing to inform you that such clearance does not exist, nor has it ever. This idea was conjured up by Phil Schneider with Al Bielek. Whilst Phil DID work for the US government, Al Bielek has been debunked as a sad individual who was in it with Preston Nichols to make a bit of money. Preston is a known Peadophile and Al is nothing more than a compulsive lier.
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Post by rational on Oct 4, 2016 21:06:49 GMT -5
Have you personally spoken to him nathan , to know that he is telling the truth ? NOT yet! but I have heard from two witnesses, who testified and worked with Harley Byrd on Above Top Secret projects. I believe Harley Byrd is telling the Truth. Here is Harley's grandfather Richard E. Byrd admiral story in dealing with ET in the interior of our Hollow/Inner earth.<SNIP><SNIP> Admiral Richard E. Byrd United States Navy 24 December 1956 www.v-j-enterprises.com/byrdiar.htmlTry to imagine writing the following in a log file: 1145 Hours- I am making a hasty last entry in the flight log. Several men are approaching on foot toward our aircraft. They are tall with blond hair. In the distance is a large shimmering city pulsating with rainbow hues of color. I do not know what is going to happen now, but I see no signs of weapons on those approaching. I hear now a voice ordering me by name to open the cargo door. I comply. END LOG So you are writing a detailed log of what is going on. There is no reason to say it is the last entry. The person keeping the log at that time does not know if it will be the last entry. Well, unless they are making up the story as they go. Would you have to note that you did not know what was going to happen? Writing nothing indicates you did not know. Did the writer comply with opening the door and then return to note it? And speaking of log files - where are the originals? Or photocopies? Compare this tall tale to actual log files:
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Post by rational on Oct 4, 2016 21:13:00 GMT -5
NathanB - if the government does not know or acknowledge anything other than the three levels described above who enforces the security? And regarding Phil Schneider - here is one of your "Above Top Secret" talking about Phil: Phil Schnider Debunked!
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 5, 2016 0:25:22 GMT -5
Have you personally spoken to him nathan, to know that he is telling the truth ? NOT yet! but I have heard from two witnesses, who testified and worked with Harley Byrd on Above Top Secret projects. I believe Harley Byrd is telling the Truth. Here is Harley's grandfather Richard E. Byrd admiral story in dealing with ET in the interior of our Hollow/Inner earth.Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:24:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Wingate Subject: The Secret Diary of Admiral Byrd.... (fwd)Several years ago, a friend told me of an organization in Missouri that purportedly was selling a diary of Admiral Byrd's exploration of the North Pole. So I sent in an order to receive a copy of the book, it was a small booklet but quiet interesting. I do not know if this address is still good, but fortunately, someone posted the entire book (minus the pictures of course) on Internet and Jan Lamprecht reprinted this in the Hollow Earth List. For those of you who may want your own copy write to:
Hollow Earth Society Attn: Captain Wilhelm Shoush POB 142, Stanford, MO 65757
Admiral Richard B. Byrd's Diary (Feb. Mar. 1947 )
The exploration flight over the North Pole ( The Inner Earth My Secret Diary )
I must write this diary in secrecy and obscurity. It concerns my Arctic flight of the nineteenth day of February in the year of Nineteen and Forty Seven.
There comes a time when the rationality of men must fade into insignificance and one must accept the inevitability of the Truth! I am not at liberty to disclose the following documentation at this writing ...perhaps it shall never see the light of public scrutiny, but I must do my duty and record here for all to read one day. In a world of greed and exploitation of certain of mankind can no longer suppress that which is truth.
FLIGHT LOG: BASE CAMP ARCTIC 2/19/1947
0600 Hours- All preparations are complete for our flight north ward and we are airborne with full fuel tanks at 0610 Hours.
0815 Hours- Radio Check with base camp, situation normal.
0915 Hours- In the distance is what appears to be mountains.
0949 Hours- 29 minutes elapsed flight time from the first sighting of the mountains, it is no illusion. They are mountains and consisting of a small range that I have never seen before!
1000 Hours- We are crossing over the small mountain range and still proceeding northward as best as can be ascertained. Beyond the mountain range is what appears to be a valley with a small river or stream running through the center portion. There should be no green valley below! Something is definitely wrong and abnormal here! We should be over Ice and Snow! To the portside are great forests growing on the mountain slopes. Our navigation Instruments are still spinning, the gyroscope is oscillating back and forth!
1005 Hours- I alter altitude to 1400 feet and execute a sharp left turn to better examine the valley below. It is green with either moss or a type of tight knit grass. The Light here seems different. I cannot see the Sun anymore. We make another left turn and we spot what seems to be a large animal of some kind below us. It appears to be an elephant! NO!!! It looks more like a mammoth! This is incredible! Yet, there it is! Decrease altitude to 1000 feet and take binoculars to better examine the animal. It is confirmed - it is definitely a mammoth-like animal! Report this to base camp.
1030 Hours- Encountering more rolling green hills now. The external temperature indicator reads 74 degrees Fahrenheit! Continuing on our heading now. Navigation instruments seem normal now. I am puzzled over their actions. Attempt to contact base camp. Radio is not functioning!
1130 Hours- Countryside below is more level and normal (if I may use that word). Ahead we spot what seems to be a city! This is impossible! Aircraft seems light and oddly buoyant. The controls refuse to respond!! My GOD!!! Off our port and star board wings are a strange type of aircraft. They are closing rapidly alongside! They are disc-shaped and have a radiant quality to them. They are close enough now to see the markings on them. It is a type of Swastika! This is fantastic. Where are we! What has happened. I tug at the controls again. They will not respond! We are caught in an invisible vice grip of some type!
1135 Hours- Our radio crackles and a voice comes through in English with what perhaps is a slight Nordic or Germanic accent! The message is: "Welcome, Admiral, to our domain. We shall land you in exactly seven minutes! Relax, Admiral, you are in good hands." I note the engines of our plane have stopped running! The aircraft is under some strange control and is now turning itself. The controls are useless.
1140 Hours- Another radio message received. We begin the landing process now, and in moments the plane shudders slightly, and begins a descent as though caught in some great unseen elevator! The downward motion is negligible, and we touch down with only a slight jolt!
1145 Hours- I am making a hasty last entry in the flight log. Several men are approaching on foot toward our aircraft. They are tall with blond hair. In the distance is a large shimmering city pulsating with rainbow hues of color. I do not know what is going to happen now, but I see no signs of weapons on those approaching. I hear now a voice ordering me by name to open the cargo door. I comply. END LOG
Admiral Richard Byrd meeting with ETs race in the Hollow earth
From this point I write all the following events here from memory. It defies the imagination and would seem all but madness if it had not happened.
The radioman and I are taken from the aircraft and we are received in a most cordial manner. We were then boarded on a small platform-like conveyance with no wheels! It moves us toward the glowing city with great swiftness. As we approach, the city seems to be made of a crystal material. Soon we arrive at a large building that is a type I have never seen before. It appears to be right out of the design board of Frank Lloyd Wright, or perhaps more correctly, out of a Buck Rogers setting!! We are given some type of warm beverage which tasted like nothing I have ever savored before. It is delicious. After about ten minutes, two of our wondrous appearing hosts come to our quarters and announce that I am to accompany them. I have no choice but to comply. I leave my radioman behind and we walk a short distance and enter into what seems to be an elevator. We descend downward for some moments, the machine stops, and the door lifts silently upward! We then proceed down a long hallway that is lit by a rose-colored light that seems to be emanating from the very walls themselves! One of the beings motions for us to stop before a great door. Over the door is an inscription that I cannot read. The great door slides noiselessly open and I am beckoned to enter. One of my hosts speaks. " Have no fear, Admiral, you are to have an audience with the Master."
I step inside and my eyes adjust to the beautiful coloration that seems to be filling the room completely. Then I begin to see my surroundings. What greeted my eyes is the most beautiful sight of my entire existence. It is in fact too beautiful and wondrous to describe. It is exquisite and delicate. I do not think there exists a human term that can describe it in any detail with justice! My thoughts are interrupted in a cordial manner by a warm rich voice of melodious quality, " I bid you welcome to our domain, Admiral." I see a man with delicate features and with the etching of years upon his face. He is seated at a long table. He motions me to sit down in one of the chairs.
After I am seated, he places his fingertips together and smiles. He speaks softly again, and conveys the following. " We have let you enter here because you are of noble character and well-known on the Surface World, Admiral." Surface World, I half-gasp under my breath! " Yes," the Master replies with a smile, " You are in the domain of the Arianni, the Inner World of the Earth. We shall not long delay your mission, and you will be safely escorted back to the surface and for a distance beyond. But now, Admiral, I shall tell you why you have been summoned here. Our interest rightly begins just after your race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. It was at that alarming time we sent our flying machines, the "Flugelrads/UFO", to your surface world to investigate what your race had done. That is, of course, past history now, my dear Admiral, but I must continue on. You see, we have never interfered before in your race's wars, and barbarity, but now we must, for you have learned to tamper with a certain power that is not for man, namely, that of atomic energy. Our emissaries have already delivered messages to the powers of your world, and yet they do not heed. Now you have been chosen to be witness here that our world does exist. You see, our Culture and Science is many thousands of years beyond your race, Admiral." I interrupted, " But what does this have to do with me, Sir? "
The Master's eyes seemed to penetrate deeply into my mind, and after studying me for a few moments he replied, "Your race has now reached the point of no return, for there are those among you who would destroy your very world rather than relinquish their power as they know it..." I nodded, and the Master continued, " In 1945 and afterward, we tried to contact your race, but our efforts were met with hostility, our Flugelrads/UFO were fired upon. Yes, even pursued with malice and animosity by your fighter planes. So, now, I say to you, my son, there is a great storm gathering in your world, a black fury that will not spend itself for many years. There will be no answer in your arms, there will be no safety in your science. It may rage on until every flower of your culture is trampled, and all human things are leveled in vast chaos. Your recent war was only a prelude of what is yet to come for your race. We here see it more clearly with each hour..do you say I am mistaken?"
" No," I answer, " it happened once before, the dark ages came and they lasted for more than five hundred years." " Yes, my son," replied the Master, " the dark ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall, but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will be here, my son, safe in our keeping. When that time arrives, we shall come forward again to help revive your culture and your race. Perhaps, by then, you will have learned the futility of war and its strife...and after that time, certain of your culture and science will be returned for your race to begin anew. You, my son, are to return to the Surface World with this message....." With these closing words, our meeting seemed at an end. I stood for a moment as in a dream.... but, yet, I knew this was reality, and for some strange reason I bowed slightly, either out of respect or humility, I do not know which.
Suddenly, I was again aware that the two beautiful hosts who had brought me here were again at my side. " This way, Admiral," motioned one. I turned once more before leaving and looked back toward the Master. A gentle smile was etched on his delicate and ancient face. " Farewell, my son," he spoke, then he gestured with a lovely, slender hand a motion of peace and our meeting was truly ended.
Quickly, we walked back through the great door of the Master's chamber and once again entered into the elevator. The door slid silently downward and we were at once going upward. One of my hosts spoke again, " We must now make haste, Admiral, as the Master desires to delay you no longer on your scheduled timetable and you must return with his message to your race." I said nothing. All of this was almost beyond belief, and once again my thoughts were interrupted as we stopped. I entered the room and was again with my radioman. He had an anxious expression on his face. As I approached, I said, " It is all right, Howie, it is all right." The two beings motioned us toward the awaiting conveyance, we boarded, and soon arrived back at the aircraft. The engines were idling and we boarded immediately. The whole atmosphere seemed charged now with a certain air of urgency. After the cargo door was closed the aircraft was immediately lifted by that unseen force until we reached an altitude of 2700 feet. Two of the aircraft were alongside for some distance guiding us on our return way. I must state here, the airspeed indicator registered no reading, yet we were moving along at a very rapid rate.
215 Hours- A radio message comes through. " We are leaving you now, Admiral, your controls are free. Auf Wiedersehen!" We watched for a moment as the flugelrads/UFO disappeared into the pale blue sky. The aircraft suddenly felt as though caught in a sharp downdraft for a moment. We quickly recovered her control. We do not speak for some time, each man has his thoughts....
ENTRY IN FLIGHT LOG CONTINUES:
220 Hours- We are again over vast areas of ice and snow, and approximately 27 minutes from base camp. We radio them, they respond. We report all conditions normal....normal. Base camp expresses relief at our re-established contact.
300 Hours- We land smoothly at base camp. I have a mission.....
END LOG ENTRIES.
March 11, 1947. I have just attended a staff meeting at the Pentagon. I have stated fully my discovery and the message from the Master. All is duly recorded. The President has been advised. I am now detained for several hours (six hours, thirty- nine minutes, to be exact.) I am interviewed intently by Top Security Forces and a medical team. It was an ordeal! I am placed under strict control via the national security provisions of this United States of America. I am ORDERED to REMAIN SILENT in REGARD to ALL THAT I HAVE LEARNED, on the BEHALF OF HUMANITY! Incredible! I am reminded that I am a military man and I must obey orders.
30/12/56: FINAL ENTRY:
These last few years elapsed since 1947 have not been kind...I now make my final entry in this singular diary. In closing, I must state that I have faithfully kept this matter secret as directed all these years. It has been completely against my values of moral right. Now, I seem to sense the long night coming on and this secret will not die with me, but as all truth shall, it will triumph and so it shall.
This can be the only hope for mankind. I have seen the truth and it has quickened my spirit and has set me free! I have done my duty toward the monstrous military industrial complex. Now, the long night begins to approach, but there shall be no end. Just as the long night of the Arctic ends, the brilliant sunshine of Truth shall come again....and those who are of darkness shall fall in it's Light... FOR I HAVE SEEN that LAND BEYOND THE POLE, THAT CENTER OF THE GREAT UNKNOWN.
Admiral Richard E. Byrd United States Navy 24 December 1956 www.v-j-enterprises.com/byrdiar.html "Not yet" answers everything ! You are stating he has told the truth but you have not even spoken to him yourself !
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 5, 2016 0:34:26 GMT -5
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 5, 2016 0:44:20 GMT -5
Wow! sometimes you read too much into what I said and twisted with your own thinking... Let me make it clearer for you. "NOT Yet!" means Harley Byrd is alive, so there's still a small chance our path may cross. Harley Byrd stated in the Radio interview 1995 that Richard E. Byrd Jr. is his own father, and Admiral Byrd is his grandfather... I believe Harley Byrd is telling the Truth. If you believe he is telling the truth, why not actually try to speak to him if he is still alive nathan ? Just because YOU believe he is telling the truth does not make it a fact ! Its like the things that you post on your website that you believe are true but are not.
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 5, 2016 0:52:28 GMT -5
~~ Where do you people find these DUMMIES! don't know what the HECK they're talking about. It's they who are FULL of IT. Philip Schneider's Wife testimony: A Message from the ex-wife of Philip Schneider I am the ex-wife of Philip Schneider. Philip and I met in 1986, were married in Carson City, Nevada, and had a daughter, Marie, in 1987. We were divorced in 1990 and lived in separate residences. Philip lived in an apartment complex in Wilsonville, Oregon. On 1/17/1996 I received a call that Philip was dead in his apartment and apparently had died up to a week before his body was discovered. At the time of the removal of his body, his cause of death was by a stroke. When I went to the funeral home I had feelings of discomfort about his death. I asked to view the body, but due to decomposition, the funeral director suggested otherwise. I wanted to be sure, in my own mind, that Philip had not died under "unnatural causes". For the last two years of his life, Philip had been on the "lecture tour" throughout the United States, talking out about government cover ups. You name it, he was talking about it: Aliens (treaties and abductions), UFO's, the One World Government, Black Budgets, Underground Mountain Bases, CIA involvement in civilian murders and drugs, Stealth technology, the Philadelphia Experiment, Operation Crossroads (Bikini Island A-bomb experiments), 100 US Special forces Vs. Tall greys Dulce Fire Fight in Dulce, New Mexico underground bases 1979, the Oklahoma bombing, the World Trade Center bombing, missing children, Gunderson Freight Cars, the opening of concentration camps and Marshal Law/UN involvement, man-made viruses and earthquakes, etc. A day later, I received a call from the Clackamas County Detectives, that the funeral director had found "something" around Philip's neck. An autopsy was performed at the Multnomah County Medical Examiner's office (in Portland, Oregon) by Dr. Gunson, and she determined that Philip had committed suicide by wrapping a rubber cat hater hose three times around his neck, and half-knotting it in front. There are several reasons why I believe that Philip did not commit suicide, but was murdered: 1. There was no suicide note. 2. Philip always told his friends and relatives, that if he ever "committed suicide" you would know that he had been murdered. 3. From a number of sources, including his taped lectures (video and audio), and statements to his friends, and the borrowing of a 9mm gun, Philip felt that he and his family were being threatened and were in danger because of his lectures.
4. All of his lecture materials, alien metals, higher math books, photographs of UFO's coming out of the Operation Crossroad A-Bomb, notes for his book on the alien agenda, were missing. (Everything else in the apartment was still there, including gold coins, wallet with hundreds of dollars, jewelry, mineral specimens, etc.) 5. No coroner ever came out to his apartment after his body was found (against Oregon Law) - and a police investigation never took under consideration that items were missing from his apartment - it was considered a suicide, plain and simple 6. The medical examiner took blood and urine samples at the autopsy but REFUSED to analyze them, saying that the county would not "waste their money on a suicide". Although I was assured that the samples would be kept for 12 months, when I asked for these samples to be sent to an independent lab 11 months later they were "missing" and presumed "destroyed". 7. Philip had missing fingers on his left hand, and limited motion in his shoulders. I believe that it was physically impossible for Philip to have held the rubber hose in his left hand with missing fingers and then wrap the hose three times with shoulders that had limited motion. In order to end up where his body was, he had to sit on the edge of his bed, wrap the hose around his neck, slowly and painfully strangle to death, and fall head-first into a wheel chair.
8. Philip was an expert in chemicals and his own medical needs. He had multiple pills at hand that could have ended his life quickly and painlessly. He also had a 9mm gun that he had borrowed to protect himself. Why strangle himself in such an unusual manner? 9. Philip was very religious, and did not believe in suicide. He had intense chronic pain all of the time I knew him. At the time of his death, he was on disability, had a housekeeper, and had cancer. The operation to help him with his back pain did not alleviate the pain and he had brittle bone syndrome (osteoperosis). He struggled every day, not to die, but to live. He felt that these lectures he gave was making a difference, and was looking forward to giving more. In fact he was scheduled for another lecture tour that started 1/16/96 in Tampa, Florida. He had just found a friend who was going to help him write a book about the New World Order, and he was enjoying his time with his daughter. 10. Philip was undergoing "injections" of "Beta Serone" every week in an experiment to stop his multiple sclerosis. After his death I contacted the only agency that conducted these experiments to obtain his medical record (OHSU). They had never heard of him, and he was not a part of their experiments. This would suggest people unknown were injecting him on a weekly basis with an unknown substance. He often times called me after these "shots" to tell me that he was too sick for his daughter to come and visit. I believe that the shots that Philip thought were being given to him to help him back to health, were actually being given to him to make him sick. 11. Philip was seen with an "unknown blonde haired woman" for several months before his death. Several times this same individual was seen or talked about and her mysterious presence only leads one to wonder if she had anything to do with his "suicide". 12. Several people with psychic abilities have indicated that Philip did not commit suicide, but was murdered (some say by 5 people: 4 men and 1 woman, 4 directly and one by taking out a "contract". It is perhaps important to know WHY Philip began lecturing. Firstly: His background was as a Structural Engineer. He was an expert on explosives and their effects on geologic structures. He worked under two social security numbers. Most of his early work in underground mountain bases with Morrison-Knudsen was done using the wrong social security number. I was later able to prove that he had two numbers through the social security office when I applied for his daughter's death benefits. He worked for the Army Corps of Engineers and U.S. Navy with the same wrong number. Only after he obtained SSI in 1981 did his "real" number come into play. He always told me that he had a Rhyolitic Clearance and that his father had a Cosmic Clearance from his work with NATO. And that is the second reason why Philip began lecturing. Secondly: On top of his first hand knowledge about underground mountain bases and government black budgets, and the alien agenda (as he was one of the survivors of the Dulce Fire Fight with aliens in New Mexico) his father was also involved in government black projects. When Philip's father, Captain Oscar Schneider, Medical Doctor, United States Navy, died in 1993, Philip discovered documents and photographs in his father's basement which proved that Oscar had been involved in both the Philadelphia Experiment and Operation Crossroads. Philip now had letters written in the 1940's and 1950's showing that Oscar helped to isolate the crew members of the Philadelphia Experiment and that Oscar later autopsied them as they died. He also had photographs of UFO's fleeing through mushroom clouds after the A-bomb was dropped above the lagoon at Bikini Atoll. This was "Operation Crossroads" and Oscar was involved in medical examinations of the animals and humans exposed to radiation after the bomb was dropped. www.uhuh.com/reports/horror/schneider.htm But of course YOU know nathan, because you have heard it from the "horses mouth" so to speak ! rational has proved your story wrong, but you still don't get it !
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 5, 2016 1:00:43 GMT -5
But of course YOU know nathan, because you have heard it from the "horses mouth" so to speak ! rational has proved your story wrong, but you still don't get it ! And I have proven to Rational, that he is NOT always correct with his answers/finding either. I read what he has to say, and do more digging on my part to see whether what is saying correct or NOT but I found he has many short comings with his answers/finding. I don't mind the challenge, debate, discussion... It helps to keep me on my toes. So with the last discussion, when did you prove rational wrong ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 5, 2016 1:14:17 GMT -5
So with the last discussion, when did you prove rational wrong ? Sometimes, I believe I just waste my time in answering your questions, so if you see me NOT answering or ignoring your questions to me NEXT time, then know why I am not replying... Just a waste of my time, please don't ask me anymore questions. So you obviously have no answer nathan ! Seriously nathan go onto some fb pages & ask the question and see what response you get !
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