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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 30, 2016 23:52:43 GMT -5
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Post by howitis on Oct 1, 2016 0:20:27 GMT -5
I've met some pretty amazing Christians both in and out of the so called '2x2 church', whom you could see quite evidently had been touched by the Spirit of God, not one of them had mentioned aliens, Venus(except perhaps as a school project), val thor, hollow earth and the like, yet I guarantee 'when the rolls are called up yonder they'll be there'......so I'll stick with what they upheld..Jesus, as in 'I am the way, the truth and the life....'
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Post by rational on Oct 1, 2016 0:21:03 GMT -5
Not SDI but the design of SDI is to detect and destroy missiles that are launched from earth. The hostile ET on earth is the science fiction part. The gov't had you fool.... to let you think SDI, was design ONLY to detect USSR, China, or other countries missiles launch from earth! That was ONLY tiny truth about Ronald Reagan SDI program. It was MORE than to detect the enemies missiles launch pads, Submarines or from space.... BUT the real purpose was to FIGHT back against hostile ETs UFO space crafts from entering earth to do us harm. NathanB, do you know how the majority of the methods worked? Essentially throwing things at the incoming missiles. If there were ETs attacking do you think launching a lexan projectile weighing about as much as 3 US pennies will stop spaceships that you stated are many miles long/wide? Which raises another question - do you know how successful SDI was? How it works? If there was a single test that worked without acrually guiding the incoming missile into the weapon?
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 1, 2016 0:23:05 GMT -5
Ex-worker007 wasn't me... He/she just copied what I posted. I am not ashamed in sharing these things for all to see. Little by little, people will know what I post about Valiant/Donn Thor from Interior planet of Venus is the TRUTH. Valiant Thor is TELLING the Truth, that he came from Interior planet Venus. The Venusians human-looking intelligent beings race have been around millions, billions of years or longer. And of course you have plenty of evidence to back up your belief that he is telling the truth nathan, just use YouTube ! Who is deluded I wonder a person who believes YouTube or an atheist
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Post by Grant on Oct 1, 2016 0:49:07 GMT -5
If Jesus lives on Venus is he a venusian, Nathan?
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 1, 2016 1:13:18 GMT -5
Ex-worker007 wasn't me... He/she just copied what I posted. I am not ashamed in sharing these things for all to see. Little by little, people will know what I post about Valiant/Donn Thor from Interior planet of Venus is the TRUTH. Valiant Thor is TELLING the Truth, that he came from Interior planet Venus. The Venusians human-looking intelligent beings race have been around millions, billions of years or longer. And of course you have plenty of evidence to back up your belief that he is telling the truth nathan, just use YouTube ! Who is more deluded I wonder a person who believes YouTube to back up their beliefs or an atheist
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Post by howitis on Oct 1, 2016 1:22:15 GMT -5
And then there is the thread on 'blasphemy'....I wonder how many of the posts here are verging on being on that topic rather than here??
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 1, 2016 1:28:41 GMT -5
I have many of Valiant Thor own writings/teaching... people can read it... ~~ Rules of Conduct for happier life written by Commander Valiant Thor 1. Self examination is necessary for your Spiritual growth and development. 2. Do not allow any person to even attempt to steal your crown of life.3. Consider very carefully before making any decisions, either personal or business. 4. Perform faithfully your writing out exercise. 5. Make plans to spend time in “the silence” on a daily basis.6. Prayer and meditation are a must in your daily conduct.7. Make an earnest effort to study those books which will uplift your mind and your spirit. 8. Seek the secret of controlling yourself under every pressure and challenge.9. Speak and confer with those whom you love and trust in all matters pertaining to you. 10. Strive for that perfection Christ in every single phase of your life.11. Ask largely of the Divine Creator that your joy may be full. 12. Make every effort to pass on the teachings that you have received this past year. 13. Look for and expect to receive the best things of life for yourself and for your loved ones. 14. Never be satisfied with half-way measures. 15. Strive to complete all of the projects that you have begun. 16. Never fail to remember what wonderful things have been promised to you in the Sacred Word.17. Continue to look forward with inner vision. The future is yours for the asking. 18. Respect yourself as a true Child of Almighty God.19. At the close of each day, look back in retrospect and reflect on past blessings. 20. Be thankful for present and future blessings. 21. Remember that you are a living, vital part of the plan of Almighty God for planet Earth.22. Consider yourself extremely fortunate in being part of this Universal Plan.23. Take extra care of your health and well being. 24. Impart to others from your life experience and lessons learned.25. Feel at liberty to express your own private feelings regarding events of the day. 26. Never fear the opinions of negative forces.27. Reject everything and anything which does not ring true. 28. Allow the Spirit of Truth, within you, to be your daily guide.29. Expect your two Angels (i.e. your Ministering and your Guardian Angels) to lead and guide you as was promised by the Creator. Consider the above Rules of Conduct and make them a part of your daily living. You will find that you will actually be taking full charge of your life and wonderful, bright and prosperous future. You hold the power of positive change in the palms of your hands. I assure you that these changes will become very evident as you place these Rules of Conduct into action. Expect nothing but the best at all times. God bless you all. Written by Commander Valiant ThorSo you are adding to the bible nathan !!! Not too many F&W believe in Guardian angels !
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Post by Grant on Oct 1, 2016 1:50:01 GMT -5
And then there is the thread on 'blasphemy'....I wonder how many of the posts here are verging on being on that topic rather than here?? Do you mean not all professing people believe what Nathan does, how it is?
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Post by howitis on Oct 1, 2016 1:53:16 GMT -5
And then there is the thread on 'blasphemy'....I wonder how many of the posts here are verging on being on that topic rather than here?? Do you mean not all professing people believe what Nathan does, how it is? Do you mean that you read portions of this thread and have not gathered as much e nuf??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2016 2:49:28 GMT -5
I have to say it, but it appears the Apostle Paul did not have a clue what he was talking about?
2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
We have to be very grateful to Nathan for diligently pointing this out. His perseverance deserves special commendation!
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Post by Grant on Oct 1, 2016 4:16:56 GMT -5
Do you mean not all professing people believe what Nathan does, how it is? Do you mean that you read portions of this thread and have not gathered as much e nuf?? Apart from one short post from you professing people have been quiet on the matter. Your post appears neutral and doesn't tell me if you believe in the stuff Nathan posts or not. You still did not answer my question to whether professing people believe Jesus lives on Mars nor the other things Nathan posts.
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Post by howitis on Oct 1, 2016 4:43:36 GMT -5
Do you mean that you read portions of this thread and have not gathered as much e nuf?? Apart from one short post from you professing people have been quiet on the matter. Your post appears neutral and doesn't tell me if you believe in the stuff Nathan posts or not. You still did not answer my question to whether professing people believe Jesus lives on Mars nor the other things Nathan posts. I'm sorry Grant if I appeared rude. I cannot of course speak for everyone else, but I find the alien, thor, Venus stuff all contradictory to what God has laid on my heart. Try as I might to be open to other people's ways of thinking and how they've arrived at such, and realising we all have our own individual battles to overcome and that some people appear to have a different 'slant' on things, because that's where they are in their walk right now.....I still find these 'theories' are just a little too far off the mark of truth. It is possible others do not answer or offer input in the hope that it is not encouraging the seemingly endless coloured font, web address and youtube references that seem so prevalent when such things are trying to be discussed.
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Post by rational on Oct 1, 2016 8:22:14 GMT -5
I have more than just Youtube. I have written words from Valiant Thor own writings/teaching. people can read it and judge for themselves. ~~ Rules of Conduct for happier life written by Commander Valiant Thor 1. Self examination is necessary for your Spiritual growth and development. 2. Do not allow any person to even attempt to steal your crown of life.3. Consider very carefully before making any decisions, either personal or business. 4. Perform faithfully your writing out exercise. 5. Make plans to spend time in “the silence” on a daily basis.6. Prayer and meditation are a must in your daily conduct.7. Make an earnest effort to study those books which will uplift your mind and your spirit. 8. Seek the secret of controlling yourself under every pressure and challenge.9. Speak and confer with those whom you love and trust in all matters pertaining to you. 10. Strive for that perfection Christ in every single phase of your life.11. Ask largely of the Divine Creator that your joy may be full. 12. Make every effort to pass on the teachings that you have received this past year. 13. Look for and expect to receive the best things of life for yourself and for your loved ones. 14. Never be satisfied with half-way measures. 15. Strive to complete all of the projects that you have begun. 16. Never fail to remember what wonderful things have been promised to you in the Sacred Word.17. Continue to look forward with inner vision. The future is yours for the asking. 18. Respect yourself as a true Child of Almighty God.19. At the close of each day, look back in retrospect and reflect on past blessings. 20. Be thankful for present and future blessings. 21. Remember that you are a living, vital part of the plan of Almighty God for planet Earth.22. Consider yourself extremely fortunate in being part of this Universal Plan.23. Take extra care of your health and well being. 24. Impart to others from your life experience and lessons learned.25. Feel at liberty to express your own private feelings regarding events of the day. 26. Never fear the opinions of negative forces.27. Reject everything and anything which does not ring true. 28. Allow the Spirit of Truth, within you, to be your daily guide.29. Expect your two Angels (i.e. your Ministering and your Guardian Angels) to lead and guide you as was promised by the Creator. Consider the above Rules of Conduct and make them a part of your daily living. You will find that you will actually be taking full charge of your life and wonderful, bright and prosperous future. You hold the power of positive change in the palms of your hands. I assure you that these changes will become very evident as you place these Rules of Conduct into action. Expect nothing but the best at all times. God bless you all. Written by Commander Valiant Thor What you have NathanB, is something written by the science fiction writer, Stranges. You can tell he wrote it because it ends with: © Dr. Frank E. Stranges, NICUFOOr do you think Stranges stole this written work from Commander Valiant Thor?
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Post by rational on Oct 1, 2016 12:51:10 GMT -5
This book has been carefully written in simple terms by Dr. Frank E. Stranges, with the advice of a Starship Commander, Valiant Thor, an immortal Angel living among us today. This book contains definitive instructions regarding specific subjects directly related to Universal Law, resulting in immediate positive results for the protection, health, prosperity and well-being of those willing to apply them. Outwitting Tomorrow by Commander Valiant Thor © Julie Ann Stranges The author holds the copyright. Do you see any other entity other than Frank Stranges or members of his family on the copyright? They are continuing to take what the can from a gullible public. It is criminal.
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Post by rational on Oct 1, 2016 15:29:52 GMT -5
The author holds the copyright. Do you see any other entity other than Frank Stranges or members of his family on the copyright? They are continuing to take what they can from a gullible public. It is criminal. What in the HECK are you talking about criminal. Valiant Thor just told Dr. Frank what to write in the book and he took it to the printing press and made book out of it. Dr. Frank was being truthful because he did NOT write these things himself.... You're the doubting Thomas around here! If anything doesn't agree with your liking, thinking with your atheist mind is gullible.Can't Commander Valiant Thor write? Why put a bozo like Stranges in the mix? Frank Stranges did write it himself. There are no witnesses to any meeting. All you have to go on is what Frank wrote. I would tell you to look up the meaning of gullible but it was removed from the dictionary in July of 2010. But perhaps you can locate an older dictionary and familiarize yourself with the definition.
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Post by rational on Oct 1, 2016 18:00:01 GMT -5
In mid March, 1957, we received an urgent message from the Alexandria Police Department. The message indicated that two of their on-duty police officers had picked up an alien who had landed some 14 miles south of Pentagon Boulevard, and the occupant was transported to the Pentagon to meet with the Under Secretary of Defense and then shuttled underground to meet with President Eisenhower and Vice President Richard Nixon. The meeting lasted for nearly an hour and then, the alien visitor was put on VIP status and was shuttled back to the Pentagon where he spent the night in the Army reception office on the first floor near the concourse. This alien's name was Valiant Thor. And absolutely no official record of any of these activities. You are talking about an agency, the us government, that could not hide a second rate crime like Watergate or cover up a blow-job in the oval office to keep the biggest secret in the last 2,000 years that had to involve thousands of people. Ohhh NathanB, how can they do that? And all of this is based on the stories told by Stranges and a non-existent nephew of Admiral Byrd named Harley Andrew Byrd whose name does not show up in any of the extensive family records of the Byrd family. So a person from another planet arrives and the first thing anyone thinks of is to contact a minister. Does that sound likely? Again, not documented in any of Eisenhower's papers. Reference to one verified government document?
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 1, 2016 19:14:49 GMT -5
In mid March, 1957, we received an urgent message from the Alexandria Police Department. The message indicated that two of their on-duty police officers had picked up an alien who had landed some 14 miles south of Pentagon Boulevard, and the occupant was transported to the Pentagon to meet with the Under Secretary of Defense and then shuttled underground to meet with President Eisenhower and Vice President Richard Nixon. The meeting lasted for nearly an hour and then, the alien visitor was put on VIP status and was shuttled back to the Pentagon where he spent the night in the Army reception office on the first floor near the concourse. This alien's name was Valiant Thor. And absolutely no official record of any of these activities. You are talking about an agency, the us government, that could not hide a second rate crime like Watergate or cover up a blow-job in the oval office to keep the biggest secret in the last 2,000 years that had to involve thousands of people. Ohhh NathanB, how can they do that? And all of this is based on the stories told by Stranges and a non-existent nephew of Admiral Byrd named Harley Andrew Byrd whose name does not show up in any of the extensive family records of the Byrd family. So a person from another planet arrives and the first thing anyone thinks of is to contact a minister. Does that sound likely? Again, not documented in any of Eisenhower's papers. Reference to one verified government document? All you need is youtube rational !!!
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Post by howitis on Oct 1, 2016 21:35:16 GMT -5
YouTube or not.....It doesn't make the Earth hollow or make Jesus come from Venus !!!
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 1, 2016 21:47:08 GMT -5
YouTube or not.....It doesn't make the Earth hollow or make Jesus come from Venus !!! You haven't been inside the hollow earth or visiting Interior of planet Venus yourself... There are people from earth have been to both places and seen it with their own eyes.... Youtube or NOT. They SAW it with their own TWO eyes! you haven't. You speak about things you have NOT seen it yourself.Have you seen it nathan ?
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Post by howitis on Oct 1, 2016 22:31:11 GMT -5
There was a rhyme once about a cow jumping over the moon and one about the moon being made of cheese and of a man living in the moon....maybe people actually saw those things too!
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Post by rational on Oct 2, 2016 6:52:06 GMT -5
FYI, folks... RT, rational, and a few on here HATE youtube... That is why I like to mix both You-tube for those who like to watch it and other sources just for Youtube haters. I don't hate YouTube. I sometimes watch comedy shows. However, unverified YouTube videos of someone claiming to have abducted and had their private parts probed is not proof. Your claims all come down to a single source, Frank Stranges. All of the rest are just feeding off his lies.
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Post by rational on Oct 2, 2016 17:43:54 GMT -5
I don't hate YouTube. I sometimes watch comedy shows. However, unverified YouTube videos of someone claiming to have abducted and had their private parts probed is not proof. Your claims all come down to a single source, Frank Stranges. All of the rest are just feeding off his lies. Stories from Harley Andrew Byrd - Nephew to the late Rear Admiral Richard R.E. Byrd United States Navy about Valiant Thor. The problem you have with this source, NathanB , is that the Byrd family is a very old, well known, and well documented family. There are many sites showing the family tree with all of the people involved. Your problem is that there is no record of a nephew named Harley Andrew Byrd. Admiral Byrd did have a nephew - Harry Flood Byrd Jr. was an American orchardist, newspaper publisher and politician. He served in the Senate of Virginia and then represented Virginia in the United States Senate, for an aggregate of thirty-six years in elected public office. His father, Harry F. Byrd, served as a Virginia state senator (1915–1925), governor (1926–1930), and United States senator (1933–1965) Admiral Byrd had two brothers - Harry F. Byrd, Sr. (above) and Thomas Bolling Byrd. Thomas Bolling Byrd had a single child, a girl. In all of the records relating to the Byrds, from John Rolfe and his wife Pocahontas to the present day, there is no record of Harley Andrew Byrd. The story is a fraud.Let's address your 'sources' one at a time starting with Harley Byrd, Any record to show he exists or ever existed?I couldn't help but notice this at the end of one link you posted at some point. It was provided by you as an additional source to your story: - Harley Andrew Byrd Nephew to the late Rear Admiral Richard R.E. Byrd United States Navy From the book Stranger at the PentagonSays it was written by Harley Byrd but then the note states it came from Stranges' book. Still looking at a story with a single source. Looks like maybe Harley was a creation by Stranges to make shore up his book and book sales. I see a lot of unanswered questions that all point in the direction of fiction.
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Post by howitis on Oct 2, 2016 18:06:49 GMT -5
Yet your references say he's a nephew!! Can you therefore trust the source of information or the information for that matter??
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Post by rational on Oct 2, 2016 19:22:25 GMT -5
Is Harley Bryd a Nephew? or Grandson? of Richard E. Bryd 2 star Admiral. According to Art Bell Radio show... Harley A. Bryd is the grandson. Harley Andrew Byrd stated he was the nephew. You claim he was related in a different way. But it is odd that Harley seemed confused to whom he was related. Meaningless information. You need to show how Harley was related by showing him in the family tree. So we are going to assume Harley did not know if he was the grandson and not the nephew??? You claim: Harley Andrew Byrd father is Richard E. Byrd Jr.Children of Richard E. Byrd Jr. Richard and Janice Byrd Leverett and Cathy Byrd Ames Byrd and Nancy Tehan Harry and Nancy ByrdAlas, no Harley... Admiral Byrd was married (January 20, 1915) to the former Marie Donaldson Ames [he named a region of Antarctic land he discovered “Marie Byrd Land”] and had four children - Richard Evelyn Byrd Jr., (grandchildren Richard Byrd, Leverett S. Byrd, Ames Byrd, and Harry Flood Byrd II. www.geni.com/people/Rear-Adm-Richard-E-Byrd-Jr-Polar-Explorer/6000000010524688686Above is a list of Admiral Byrd's 4 grandchildren born to his son, Richard Evelyn Byrd Jr. Flies in the face of your claim above. Seems you are the only one who thinks Harley was a grandson. As I said, it is a famous family and the people are well documented. Alas - NO HARLEY! So back to the original task. Do you have any evidence that Harley exists or existed?
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Post by rational on Oct 2, 2016 22:38:15 GMT -5
Yep, I do. My two sources of informers, KNEW and worked with Harley Byrd ABOVE TOP Secret which ABOVE the NSA and the President. They don't want to keep the above Top Secret to themselves or take it to grave with them. They decided to reveal these information after they left that gov't sector. If they are above the NSA and the president, to whom do they report? Perhaps you could list their names. But You are diverting the discussion. There is a single task - show Harley somewhere in the Byrd family line. Show where Harley came from. First show that he exists.And all you have to do is show how he is related to Admiral Byrd by showing him in a family tree. So far, Harley does not exist except in the mind of Stranges. The Byrds are a well known and powerful family. Their family tree is available. Obituaries list the children of people when they die. The person you named as Harley's father dies and there were only 4 children named and guess what? Harley was not one of them. Forget Project Blue Book. Forget the government. You have claimed that Harley met with aliens. The task to determine the truth of the statement can be solved by simple steps. First show that there is a relative of Admiral Byrd named Harley. Stop the BS about multiple IDs, two social security numbers, and their fear of being killed. Stranges quoted a person he claimed to be Harley. I continue to believe Stranges made all of this up out of whole cloth. And you are unable to produce a single bit of verifiable evidence to the contrary. Show that there is a person named Harley Byrd that is either a nephew or grandson of Admiral Byrd.
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Post by rational on Oct 2, 2016 23:25:11 GMT -5
If they are above the NSA and the president, to whom do they report? Perhaps you could list their names. You don't want to know! You're NOT going to believe it anyway.
Certainly not without proof. And so far you have never delivered any proof. But You are again diverting the discussion. There is a single task - show Harley somewhere in the Byrd family line. Show where Harley came from. No, you didn't. To start with, your sources can't even decide if he is a nephew or grandson. First show that he exists.And all you have to do is show how he is related to Admiral Byrd by showing him in a family tree. So far, Harley does not exist except in the mind of Stranges. You also claimed that you had proof that Harley was part of the Byrd family. Let's stick to proving that to be true. The Byrds are a well known and powerful family. Their family tree is available. Obituaries list the children of people when they die. The person you named as Harley's father dies and there were only 4 children named and guess what? Harley was not one of them. Not talking about the government. Just the family tree of a well known family. If you know why not get the word out? Show Harley exists as a member of the Byrd family. Show that there is a person named Harley Byrd that is either a nephew or grandson of Admiral Byrd. Who were his parents? The last time you named someone who did not have a son named Harley. Just stating it and restating it does not make it true.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 2, 2016 23:34:46 GMT -5
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