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Post by calleduntoliberty on Aug 11, 2016 12:58:46 GMT -5
Yes, God could deal with someone like you. He loves you and cares for you. You say you're a sinner -- we have all sinned. Not smoking, doing drugs, and robbing banks isn't enough to get you salvation. It's only by the blood of Jesus Christ, for there is no other name by which we can be saved. I would suggest taking this as a sign to repent of your sins and put your full faith and trust in the God of the universe. You know he hears your prayers. Don't test him or count on something like this to happen again. Just don't forget it. Put your faith in Jesus Christ and seek his kingdom. Take your life and devote it fully to him. For me, that is the purpose of this life: to serve God.
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Post by rational on Aug 13, 2016 12:08:06 GMT -5
Finally, on August 2, 2016 last week, I was driving on Highway 38 over in Richmond, Indiana due to construction on I-70 ... headed for Ohio. There were no storm warnings of any kind. It was kind of cloudy. Not raining. Not even windy. The NWS does not seem to be aware of this storm. It does note there was EF-0 tornado in Wayne County on June 5, 2016. Maybe it was too brief or was less than an EF-0. Confirmed tornadoes are kept in a data base and easily searched.
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Post by horror on Aug 13, 2016 17:47:06 GMT -5
Of course they are the ones he came to save,not the rightious. But I don't know what a tornado has to do with God's desire to help the empty hearts?
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Post by jetmech on Aug 15, 2016 15:23:56 GMT -5
Horror ... I ment this, to me, is so similiar to the story of Gideon in the Bible where he asked GOD, to show him that it was REALLY GOD speaking to him ... dealing with him, by making the grass wet around a piece of fleece on the ground but keep the fleece dry,DOD did it .. then, Gideon must have still had a little trouble believing, so he asked GOD to then make the fleece wet but keep the grass dry ... it tells that GOD did that too, and that they wrung buckets of water out of the fleece from the dew. My experience with that tornado is so similiar to the experience with Gideon and GOD that I'll never forget it.
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Post by rational on Aug 15, 2016 15:48:12 GMT -5
Horror ... I ment this, to me, is so similiar to the story of Gideon in the Bible where he asked GOD, to show him that it was REALLY GOD speaking to him ... dealing with him, by making the grass wet around a piece of fleece on the ground but keep the fleece dry,DOD did it .. then, Gideon must have still had a little trouble believing, so he asked GOD to then make the fleece wet but keep the grass dry ... it tells that GOD did that too, and that they wrung buckets of water out of the fleece from the dew. My experience with that tornado is so similiar to the experience with Gideon and GOD that I'll never forget it. Did the photo you took come out? I looked to see if there was a record of a tornado in that area but there was nothing. Maybe it takes a day or two to post. Or as you explained, maybe it was not of the ground long enough.
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Post by breakfree on Aug 15, 2016 20:46:20 GMT -5
Of course, God deals with everyone! God is no respecter of persons...
.....for GOD speaKeth once ,yea twice ,yet man perceiveth it not in a dream,in a vision of the night,when deep sleep falleth upon men ,in slumberings upon the bed; then He openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction, that He may withdraw man from his purpose,and hide pride from man He keepeth back his soul from the pit,and his life from perishing by the sword he is chastened also with pain upon his bed ,and the multitude of his bones with strong pain....
Job 33
Before God there is no distinction
Who are truthers and who are non-truthers anyway?
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Post by jetmech on Sept 19, 2016 18:41:20 GMT -5
Horror ... I ment this, to me, is so similiar to the story of Gideon in the Bible where he asked GOD, to show him that it was REALLY GOD speaking to him ... dealing with him, by making the grass wet around a piece of fleece on the ground but keep the fleece dry,DOD did it .. then, Gideon must have still had a little trouble believing, so he asked GOD to then make the fleece wet but keep the grass dry ... it tells that GOD did that too, and that they wrung buckets of water out of the fleece from the dew. My experience with that tornado is so similiar to the experience with Gideon and GOD that I'll never forget it. Did the photo you took come out? I looked to see if there was a record of a tornado in that area but there was nothing. Maybe it takes a day or two to post. Or as you explained, maybe it was not of the ground long enough. Sorry I didn't see your question about whether or not the photo I took turning out ... yes it did. Very clearly; however, I don't know how to post it here. Interestingly, you can see the tornado very clearly, and you can see a car right under the spout of the tornado. The tornado was up in the air a good ways above the car, and before the car caught up with the tornado's path ( I watched this tornado for a good 10 to 15 minutes before taking the picture), the tornado's spout was headed for the ground and look like it was getting closer and closer, then the spout lifted up before that car arrived, and evidentally the driver of the car had no idea there was a tornado right over his head! I too made some phone calls and could find no reports of this tornado; but, my photo is proof. If you know how to post it, could you please contact me privately and explain how, or shoot me an email where I can email it to you, and perhaps you would post it for me?
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Post by gsamuelwalker on Sept 20, 2016 19:32:10 GMT -5
Obviously he does - The "truth" wasn't even invented yet when Jesus was here!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 2:12:03 GMT -5
Obviously he does - The "truth" wasn't even invented yet when Jesus was here! Really? Maybe Irvine added a few verses to the Gospels. Come to think of it, maybe Irvine wrote the whole New Testament.
As to the question "Does God deal with non-truthers" I believe God deals with everyone, at some stage of their lives.
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Post by jscc1 on Sept 21, 2016 18:12:25 GMT -5
Yes Bert,William Irving also deleted verses,e.g Ephesians 4,verses 11/12. 1 Corinthians 9,verses 5/6.
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Post by jetmech on Sept 21, 2016 20:18:29 GMT -5
The tornado never touched down. I didn't say it ever touched down. It was up in the air I'd guess 800 to 1,000 ft when I first noticed it, and I didn't even believe it was a tornado at first, then the spout shot out horizontally a long long ways and at the tip of that horizontal part of the spout it angled 90 degrees,and a vertical extension formed at the 90 degree point, but still was above tree height, then the horizontal part and the 90 degree and vertical parts all disappeared, and just as fast as they disappeared the horizontal part reappear again, disappeared, then reappeared two or three times, then disappeared for good and the tornado then was larger, and coming closer to my location. I could see the tip of the spout violently disturbing clouds it seemed to come into contact with, see them instantally rotate and so on ... that's when I took a quick picture of the tornado then, I put on my emergency flashers, pulled to the side of the highway, and a car behind me started to pass on my left, I flagged them down, it was a gal driving alone, she rolled her passenger window down and I told her while pointing ..." ... there's a tornado right up there ..!" She said " ... oh my GOD, really ..?" She jumped out and looked up in the direction I pointed and it went up quickly and disappeared before she saw it. I could tell she didn't believe me. But, similiar to what the blind man who Jesus healed in the Bible " ... I know what I saw with my own eyes ..."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 1:21:02 GMT -5
Yes Bert,William Irving also deleted verses,e.g Ephesians 4,verses 11/12. 1 Corinthians 9,verses 5/6. Really? Some points 1 - Irvine is an Exe 2 - We don't follow Irvine 3 - Can you flesh out these verses for me?
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 23, 2016 2:37:36 GMT -5
Yes Bert,William Irving also deleted verses,e.g Ephesians 4,verses 11/12. 1 Corinthians 9,verses 5/6. jscc1, Why do you say that William Irving deleted those verses?
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 23, 2016 2:51:13 GMT -5
Yes Bert,William Irving also deleted verses,e.g Ephesians 4,verses 11/12. 1 Corinthians 9,verses 5/6. Really? Some points 1 - Irvine is an Exe 2 - We don't follow Irvine 3 - Can you flesh out these verses for me?Your church wouldn't exist without William Irvine bert !!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 3:27:10 GMT -5
Really? It's all there in the bible, in black and white. You think EVERYBODY is stupid and can't read?
ps Bert's Thought For The Day drumroll.....
Finding another black sheep won't make you a white sheep.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 23, 2016 3:30:12 GMT -5
Really? It's all there in the bible, in black and white. You think EVERYBODY is stupid and can't read?
ps Bert's Thought For The Day drumroll.....
Finding another black sheep won't make you a white sheep. So have you found some workers lists prior to 1897 bert
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 23, 2016 3:37:20 GMT -5
Really? It's all there in the bible, in black and white. You think EVERYBODY is stupid and can't read?
ps Bert's Thought For The Day drumroll.....
Finding another black sheep won't make you a white sheep. So have you found some workers lists prior to 1897 bert Good for you Roselyn ! Right!
Bert, find us a workers list that dates before 1900.
I have some with my father's name on them in 1927-1929.
He was a second generation worker.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 3:39:52 GMT -5
Quote - "So have you found some workers lists prior to 1897 Bert "
What reason would I have for looking?
nb We know people worshiped as we do in the first centuries, in the Middle Ages and in the Protestant Reformation. If I were to learn every European language and sift through every document I am sure I could pull out a few more instances. But again, what's the point? You have the Redeemer, the Example, the Ministry and the Church in the New Testament. Why was it left on record? So people could live by it.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 23, 2016 3:45:56 GMT -5
Quote - "So have you found some workers lists prior to 1897 Bert "
What reason would I have for looking?
nb We know people worshiped as we do in the first centuries, in the Middle Ages and in the Protestant Reformation. If I were to learn every European language and sift through every document I am sure I could pull out a few more instances. But again, what's the point? You have the Redeemer, the Example, the Ministry and the Church in the New Testament. Why was it left on record? So people could live by it. Where is the evidence that people worshipped as you do in the first century, the middle ages and the Protestant Reformation bert ? Why did workers list only appear after 1897 ? That's right there are none ! But rather than admit that lets make up some BS story about it having to go underground !!!
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 23, 2016 3:50:06 GMT -5
Quote - "So have you found some workers lists prior to 1897 Bert "
What reason would I have for looking?
nb We know people worshiped as we do in the first centuries, in the Middle Ages and in the Protestant Reformation. If I were to learn every European language and sift through every document I am sure I could pull out a few more instances. But again, what's the point?
You have the Redeemer, the Example, the Ministry and the Church in the New Testament. Why was it left on record? So people could live by it. The point is, Bert, -that you won't come clean and say what you believe.
You DID NOT answer the question, "Do you believe your church is the only right church ? Do you believe a person has to hear the gospel through a worker to be saved ? "
You hem and haw and hedge; and just won't answer the question.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 4:16:30 GMT -5
Quote - "The point is, Bert, -that you won't come clean and say what you believe. You DID NOT answer the question, "Do you believe your church is the only right church ? Do you believe a person has to hear the gospel through a worker to be saved ? " You hem and haw and hedge; and just won't answer the question." Your "hem and haw" suggests that I know you. Just a bit of psychology at work here.
ps I have already answered that question. A person can be saved if they haven't heard the Gospel AT ALL. Look at the Old Testament, look at all those cultures who have never heard of the Gospel.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 23, 2016 4:21:24 GMT -5
Quote - "The point is, Bert, -that you won't come clean and say what you believe. You DID NOT answer the question, "Do you believe your church is the only right church ? Do you believe a person has to hear the gospel through a worker to be saved ? " You hem and haw and hedge; and just won't answer the question." Your "hem and haw" suggests that I know you. Just a bit of psychology at work here.
ps I have already answered that question. A person can be saved if they haven't heard the Gospel AT ALL. Look at the Old Testament, look at all those cultures who have never heard of the Gospel.Therefore bert you disagree with marcie who said you have to hear through a worker to be saved ? What was it you said about the doctrine being the same
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 4:29:34 GMT -5
Quote - "Where is the evidence that people worshipped as you do in the first century, the middle ages and the Protestant Reformation Bert ? Why did workers list only appear after 1897 ? That's right there are none ! But rather than admit that lets make up some BS story about it having to go underground !!!"
The Apostolic church existed in the First Century, of course. It was still extant 2nd Century but now seriously outnumbered by other Christian groups. You get a feel for what was happening in the letters of the "early Popes." We know from the Vatican Archives that underground, home-based churches were under serious pressure - even death. We know from the history of the Protestants that home church service once more became an issue. And of course, as Nathan shows, despite the reign of the RCC, a vibrant and diverse interpretation of foundational scripture still existed in parts of Europe. My own great grandfather attended a home "meeting" of unknown nature ca 1870. He did not stay - he was a very proud man.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 23, 2016 5:55:15 GMT -5
Quote - "Where is the evidence that people worshipped as you do in the first century, the middle ages and the Protestant Reformation Bert ? Why did workers list only appear after 1897 ? That's right there are none ! But rather than admit that lets make up some BS story about it having to go underground !!!" The Apostolic church existed in the First Century, of course. It was still extant 2nd Century but now seriously outnumbered by other Christian groups. You get a feel for what was happening in the letters of the "early Popes." We know from the Vatican Archives that underground, home-based churches were under serious pressure - even death. We know from the history of the Protestants that home church service once more became an issue. And of course, as Nathan shows, despite the reign of the RCC, a vibrant and diverse interpretation of foundational scripture still existed in parts of Europe. My own great grandfather attended a home "meeting" of unknown nature ca 1870. He did not stay - he was a very proud man.Still doesn't prove it was the same church as the F&W's bert ! So if this home meeting your grandfather attended in 1870 was the same as the F&W why did he leave it ? There may have been home churches but they were NOT the same church as the F&W that William Irvine started ! Why is it so hard to admit your church only started in the late 1800's bert ? Where is the record of any workers going out preaching prior to the late 1800's ? Where are the workers lists ?
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Post by Grant on Sept 23, 2016 8:14:41 GMT -5
I trust you are not equating proud with your grandfather not staying on meetings, Bert. Maybe he didn't stay because he was humble.
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Post by christiansburg on Sept 23, 2016 18:47:50 GMT -5
Yes, God could deal with someone like you. He loves you and cares for you. You say you're a sinner -- we have all sinned. Not smoking, doing drugs, and robbing banks isn't enough to get you salvation. It's only by the blood of Jesus Christ, for there is no other name by which we can be saved. I would suggest taking this as a sign to repent of your sins and put your full faith and trust in the God of the universe. You know he hears your prayers. Don't test him or count on something like this to happen again. Just don't forget it. Put your faith in Jesus Christ and seek his kingdom. Take your life and devote it fully to him. For me, that is the purpose of this life: to serve God. Read Psalm 19 and you can't help but be reminded that God speaks to all of humanity. Some may not get the message though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 19:24:20 GMT -5
Quote - "Still doesn't prove it was the same church as the F&W's Bert ! So if this home meeting your grandfather attended in 1870 was the same as the F&W why did he leave it ? There may have been home churches but they were NOT the same church as the F&W that William Irvine started ! Why is it so hard to admit your church only started in the late 1800's Bert ? Where is the record of any workers going out preaching prior to the late 1800's ? Where are the workers lists ?"
Yes, not the same. In Australia the Catholics, Anglicans, JW's etc all have home churches. For many years a dear Anglican friend of mine held a Wednesday "prayer meeting" in her home, right opposite my house.
My Grandfather's church intrigues me - some suggest it was Quaker, but it appears to have had no name, or at least, a name we could find.
Connected to us?
If there's a breakaway church having a meeting right next door to me - I don't see them as being "connected." If there's another church with the same doctrine in another country and another time I might see them as being "connected." The connection isn't in carnal things.
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Post by jetmech on Sept 23, 2016 20:52:50 GMT -5
Finally, on August 2, 2016 last week, I was driving on Highway 38 over in Richmond, Indiana due to construction on I-70 ... headed for Ohio. There were no storm warnings of any kind. It was kind of cloudy. Not raining. Not even windy. The NWS does not seem to be aware of this storm. It does note there was EF-0 tornado in Wayne County on June 5, 2016. Maybe it was too brief or was less than an EF-0. Confirmed tornadoes are kept in a data base and easily searched. This tornado was on August 2, 2016 ... just a small tornado up in the sky that grew to be much larger in a pretty short period of time, then it disappeared completely.
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