Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:21:59 GMT -5
Who needs to be an expert on anything then. Why don't you take your car for repair with the homeless guy on the street. Why do you go to a hospital instead of the homeless guy for medical assistance? It's nonsense to think that anyone who is capable of basic reading skills can be considered an authority on Scripture (and Workers are definitely considered authorities). Following your logic, anyone who can read at a grade one level is capable of knowing the Scriptures and preaching to others. Why don't you just grab some kindergarten kids and get them to tell you what the Gospels are. Look, the issue is that thousands of lunatics claim they have found the hidden truth in the Scriptures that no one else has found. There are 36,000 different Protestant denominations in the USA. Why do you think that is? It's because the Bible is rather difficult to read unless you are trained to understand the linkages and contexts. If you don't understand all those things, then you end up misrepresenting Scripture. Does the 7th Day Adventists ring a bell? the only way that any one knows anything about the Bible is as God reveals it God is the expert simple and plain as that, God doesn't need men to be expert in the scriptures do you believe as it seems that one has to be trained by man to have a head full knowledge to understand scripture?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:24:36 GMT -5
why should anyone show you stats? you say you have trouble in understanding exactly what i'm trying to say but seem to understand enough to ask for stats Uh yeah, if you are trying to construct an argument to prove that more than just a handful of workers are educated, you need to provide evidence. That's the basic rules of dialogue. i'm not trying to construct anything, you either believe it or not i really don't care
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Nov 3, 2015 0:25:19 GMT -5
They are untrained people who didn't even have enough smarts to make it through university. That's an ignorant statement to make. I know several who graduated from university and had promising careers. Yes, a lot of them get through university. Ironically, I'm seeing high school dropouts become overseers and university graduates being kicked out.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:26:36 GMT -5
That's an ignorant statement to make. I know several who graduated from university and had promising careers. Yes, a lot of them get through university. Ironically, I'm seeing high school dropouts become overseers and university graduates being kicked out. and?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:29:09 GMT -5
You are absolutely correct. I definitely generalized a bit too much with that statement. Certainly it is not the case that all workers fit this description. However, the number of workers who graduated from university before becoming a worker is extremely tiny. So while the generalized is wrong in the absolute, it definitely is an extremely high probability. As for the few workers who graduated from university, was it before or after workerhip? Did they graduate from divinity school? I don't know a single worker who graduated from divinity school. I, and every mainline church in America, would never hire a preacher who was untrained in theology. Nov 3, 2015 0:18:22 GMT -5 dmmichgood said: simpleton Avatar Nov 2, 2015 23:43:49 GMT -5 simpleton said: I understand your statement. I did not say all workers never went to university. In fact in my last comment I said that it was a vast majority who did not. That is a factual statement. That is not ignorance.
I was raised in 2x2ism. My family is 4 generations in it. I have a pretty good idea of the ins and outs. I've been free of it for 25 years.
Yes, I know that learning was discouraged. That's horrible, of course. This is just another one of the abusive tactics 2x2ism has imposed on its members. It many ways, it is child abuse to discourage education. But somehow, I made it out of 2x2ism to achieve 3 degrees; including one from an Ivy League school. Determination and defiance of 2x2ism is how I did it. My heart bleeds for all children inside 2x2ism. I know that education is not a high priority for those kids; becoming a tramp preacher is a much more encouraged.
This is the statement that you made that I think was not only ignorant but very demeaning to say about workers.
"Workers are not apostles. They are untrained people who didn't even have enough smarts to make it through university."
And you DID NOT qualify THAT statement by saying NOT ALL!
You owe an apology to any & every worker who ever was or is still in the work. That includes my father & my brother.
Uh, yeah I did qualify it. In my first reply to you (see the paste at top of this post), I acknowledged that I have over represented the case. In that same reply I stated that "However, the number of workers who graduated from university before becoming a worker is extremely tiny. So while the generalized is wrong in the absolute, it definitely is an extremely high probability. You are having a bit of a hard time keeping track of the posts, I fear. I most certainly would make an unwarranted apology to any & every worker if all former and present workers would apoligise for perpetuating a 2x2 system of extreme spiritual and emotional repression.
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Nov 3, 2015 0:30:02 GMT -5
Who needs to be an expert on anything then. Why don't you take your car for repair with the homeless guy on the street. Why do you go to a hospital instead of the homeless guy for medical assistance? It's nonsense to think that anyone who is capable of basic reading skills can be considered an authority on Scripture (and Workers are definitely considered authorities). Following your logic, anyone who can read at a grade one level is capable of knowing the Scriptures and preaching to others. Why don't you just grab some kindergarten kids and get them to tell you what the Gospels are. Look, the issue is that thousands of lunatics claim they have found the hidden truth in the Scriptures that no one else has found. There are 36,000 different Protestant denominations in the USA. Why do you think that is? It's because the Bible is rather difficult to read unless you are trained to understand the linkages and contexts. If you don't understand all those things, then you end up misrepresenting Scripture. Does the 7th Day Adventists ring a bell? the only way that any one knows anything about the Bible is as God reveals it God is the expert simple and plain as that, God doesn't need men to be expert in the scriptures do you believe as it seems that one has to be trained by man to have a head full knowledge to understand scripture? Yes, a bit of education is absolutely necessary to understand the scriptures. An average of 8th grade reading level simply doesn't make it, especially with the KJV.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:30:10 GMT -5
Uh yeah, if you are trying to construct an argument to prove that more than just a handful of workers are educated, you need to provide evidence. That's the basic rules of dialogue. i'm not trying to construct anything, you either believe it or not i really don't care Numbers Virgo, numbers. Anything else is just hot air.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:31:58 GMT -5
And enough education and won't believe a word of it.
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Nov 3, 2015 0:32:06 GMT -5
Yes, a lot of them get through university. Ironically, I'm seeing high school dropouts become overseers and university graduates being kicked out. and? And so quit bragging about the illustrious university graduate workers -- they're more apt to get kicked out than a high school drop-out. Do you know why?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:33:57 GMT -5
Nov 3, 2015 0:18:22 GMT -5 dmmichgood said: simpleton Avatar Nov 2, 2015 23:43:49 GMT -5 simpleton said: I understand your statement. I did not say all workers never went to university. In fact in my last comment I said that it was a vast majority who did not. That is a factual statement. That is not ignorance.
I was raised in 2x2ism. My family is 4 generations in it. I have a pretty good idea of the ins and outs. I've been free of it for 25 years.
Yes, I know that learning was discouraged. That's horrible, of course. This is just another one of the abusive tactics 2x2ism has imposed on its members. It many ways, it is child abuse to discourage education. But somehow, I made it out of 2x2ism to achieve 3 degrees; including one from an Ivy League school. Determination and defiance of 2x2ism is how I did it. My heart bleeds for all children inside 2x2ism. I know that education is not a high priority for those kids; becoming a tramp preacher is a much more encouraged.
This is the statement that you made that I think was not only ignorant but very demeaning to say about workers.
"Workers are not apostles. They are untrained people who didn't even have enough smarts to make it through university."
And you DID NOT qualify THAT statement by saying NOT ALL!
You owe an apology to any & every worker who ever was or is still in the work. That includes my father & my brother.
Uh, yeah I did qualify it. In my first reply to you (see the paste at top of this post), I acknowledged that I have over represented the case. In that same reply I stated that "However, the number of workers who graduated from university before becoming a worker is extremely tiny. So while the generalized is wrong in the absolute, it definitely is an extremely high probability. You are having a bit of a hard time keeping track of the posts, I fear. I most certainly would make an unwarranted apology to any & every worker if all former and present workers would apoligise for perpetuating a 2x2 system of extreme spiritual and emotional repression. so all you wonderful knowledge on the workers is based on probability? tell you what sonny compared with you dmmichgood is a saint
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:34:38 GMT -5
Ok cats. It's been fun. It's very late here in the Big Apple, so I must retire to my bed.
NathanB, So now it seems you've added a further condition to your test. Now they have to be homeless for the sake of the Gospel. I'm going to spare asking whatever does this mean and just assume it means they are homeless by choice because they want to read the bible to people. There is also not a single mention of Living Witness Doctrine in the Gospels. I don't even know what you are talking about. That sounds like a new age fad.
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Nov 3, 2015 0:34:43 GMT -5
And enough education and won't believe a word of it. Sour grapes???
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:35:42 GMT -5
And so quit bragging about the illustrious university graduate workers -- they're more apt to get kicked out than a high school drop-out. Do you know why? yep because God only wants those who He can teach
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:36:36 GMT -5
so all you wonderful knowledge on the workers is based on probability? tell you what sonny compared with you dmmichgood is a saint Is English your native language? I truly have no idea what you are talking about.
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Nov 3, 2015 0:37:03 GMT -5
Uh, yeah I did qualify it. In my first reply to you (see the paste at top of this post), I acknowledged that I have over represented the case. In that same reply I stated that "However, the number of workers who graduated from university before becoming a worker is extremely tiny. So while the generalized is wrong in the absolute, it definitely is an extremely high probability. You are having a bit of a hard time keeping track of the posts, I fear. I most certainly would make an unwarranted apology to any & every worker if all former and present workers would apoligise for perpetuating a 2x2 system of extreme spiritual and emotional repression. so all you wonderful knowledge on the workers is based on probability? tell you what sonny compared with you dmmichgood is a saint And you're a ........
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Nov 3, 2015 0:38:38 GMT -5
And so quit bragging about the illustrious university graduate workers -- they're more apt to get kicked out than a high school drop-out. Do you know why? yep because God only wants those who He can teach How about the overseer not appreciating workers who are 'way smarter than him?
|
|
|
Post by maryhig on Nov 3, 2015 0:39:25 GMT -5
why should anyone show you stats? you say you have trouble in understanding exactly what i'm trying to say but seem to understand enough to ask for stats Uh yeah, if you are trying to construct an argument to prove that more than just a handful of workers are educated, you need to provide evidence. That's the basic rules of dialogue. You have no idea in the ways of God! God doesn't teach his people through university, he teaches them by the spirit and through the people. As Nathan said the apostles were unlearned. And they didn't always have Jesus with them. In fact, there is a huge difference in what the apostles were like when Jesus was alive to after he had died on the cross. Before, they were a lot weaker, just look at Peter before Jesus died and after, and look what he was like once received the holy spirit. Once Jesus was raised in their hearts they became strong in the spirit and spoke with strength, Jesus said, Matthew 10 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. Gods people don't speak through higher education, they speak through the spirit. Also acts 4 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. They were unlearned ignorant men, or so the pharasees thought, not so, these men had been taught by Jesus. No greater teacher could they have had. And that teacher is still alive today and living in the hearts of his people. Revelation 3 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me You don't have to be educated to be of God, Gods requirements are to love him wholeheartedly and to have a soft gentle heart, a person who cares for others. John or amy, 3 doors down the road can be stronger than any trained minister in college. If you don't know this, then you don't know the power of God!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:40:18 GMT -5
i'm not trying to construct anything, you either believe it or not i really don't care Numbers Virgo, numbers. Anything else is just hot air. my word you're making a good job of it i'll ask this question again for you [ which is the most disputed verse in the Bible?]
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:40:52 GMT -5
yep because God only wants those who He can teach How about the overseer not appreciating workers who are 'way smarter than him? how about it?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:42:18 GMT -5
so all you wonderful knowledge on the workers is based on probability? tell you what sonny compared with you dmmichgood is a saint And you're a ........ oh look simpleton fan club
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Nov 3, 2015 0:43:03 GMT -5
How about the overseer not appreciating workers who are 'way smarter than him? how about it? Don't worry. It's beyond your pale.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:43:50 GMT -5
Don't worry. It's beyond your pale.
|
|
|
Post by maryhig on Nov 3, 2015 0:59:15 GMT -5
the only way that any one knows anything about the Bible is as God reveals it God is the expert simple and plain as that, God doesn't need men to be expert in the scriptures do you believe as it seems that one has to be trained by man to have a head full knowledge to understand scripture? Yes, a bit of education is absolutely necessary to understand the scriptures. An average of 8th grade reading level simply doesn't make it, especially with the KJV. Sorry, but you don't know what your talking about, it's nothing to do with a bit of education, it's to to with the heart condition! You don't hear God through education you hear him through the spirit in the heart. Jesus picked ordinary people, fishermen, tax collectors, etc. Not only scholars, some of these people try and see God in examining the scriptures. That won't work, it's through faith and prayer you hear and understand God, you receive the spirit, through faith in God and believing in Jesus. Not through a fleshly mind. Jesus said John 4 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. You see God through the spirit, not through education or fleshly mind. It's Christ by the spirit that strengthens and enlightens Gods people not bible college or any university!
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 3, 2015 1:02:06 GMT -5
Nov 3, 2015 0:18:22 GMT -5 dmmichgood said: simpleton Avatar Nov 2, 2015 23:43:49 GMT -5 simpleton said: I understand your statement. I did not say all workers never went to university. In fact in my last comment I said that it was a vast majority who did not. That is a factual statement. That is not ignorance.
I was raised in 2x2ism. My family is 4 generations in it. I have a pretty good idea of the ins and outs. I've been free of it for 25 years.
Yes, I know that learning was discouraged. That's horrible, of course. This is just another one of the abusive tactics 2x2ism has imposed on its members. It many ways, it is child abuse to discourage education. But somehow, I made it out of 2x2ism to achieve 3 degrees; including one from an Ivy League school. Determination and defiance of 2x2ism is how I did it. My heart bleeds for all children inside 2x2ism. I know that education is not a high priority for those kids; becoming a tramp preacher is a much more encouraged.
This is the statement that you made that I think was not only ignorant but very demeaning to say about workers.
"Workers are not apostles. They are untrained people who didn't even have enough smarts to make it through university."
And you DID NOT qualify THAT statement by saying NOT ALL!
You owe an apology to any & every worker who ever was or is still in the work. That includes my father & my brother.
Uh, yeah I did qualify it. In my first reply to you (see the paste at top of this post) , I acknowledged that I have over represented the case. In that same reply I stated that "However, the number of workers who graduated from university before becoming a worker is extremely tiny. So while the generalized is wrong in the absolute, it definitely is an extremely high probability. You are having a bit of a hard time keeping track of the posts, I fear. I most certainly would make an unwarranted apology to any & every worker if all former and present workers would apoligise for perpetuating a 2x2 system of extreme spiritual and emotional repression. Uh, nah, - YOUR second post DID NOT qualify the statement in your FIRST post, where you demeaned workers by saying, "They are untrained people who didn't even have enough smarts to make it through university." (and while you are at it, please get the blue of my post and the black of your post separated so it doesn't seem to all run together as if it is posted all in my name.) Thanking you in advance. PS: Do you think that you can manage that? Surely you can, -since you have THREE (3) degrees from university, -one from an Ivy League college.
|
|
|
Post by maryhig on Nov 3, 2015 1:09:58 GMT -5
No mention of a college education here either!
Matthew 11
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
|
|
|
Post by emy on Nov 3, 2015 1:12:12 GMT -5
Our study this week is 1 Cor. 8. I read it in a modern version this morning. Here is what it says for part of the first few verses: ...We sometimes tend to think we know all we need to know to answer these kinds of questions—but sometimes our humble hearts can help us more than our proud minds. We never really know enough until we recognize that God alone knows it all.Now don't discount it because it's from a modern translation. The translator no doubt was an expert theologian.
|
|
|
Post by maryhig on Nov 3, 2015 1:17:33 GMT -5
Our study this week is 1 Cor. 8. I read it in a modern version this morning. Here is what it says for part of the first few verses: ...We sometimes tend to think we know all we need to know to answer these kinds of questions—but sometimes our humble hearts can help us more than our proud minds. We never really know enough until we recognize that God alone knows it all.Now don't discount it because it's from a modern translation. The translator no doubt was an expert theologian. I agree with this, although, man can only translate words. But only God gives wisdom and understanding. And there is no greater translator in this to man, than through Christ himself.
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 3, 2015 1:18:50 GMT -5
Ok cats. It's been fun. It's very late here in the Big Apple, so I must retire to my bed. NathanB, So now it seems you've added a further condition to your test. Now they have to be homeless for the sake of the Gospel. I'm going to spare asking whatever does this mean and just assume it means they are homeless by choice because they want to read the bible to people. There is also not a single mention of Living Witness Doctrine in the Gospels. I don't even know what you are talking about. That sounds like a new age fad. Good night, sweet prince, -sleep tight.
Try not to dream about boogie men/women workers who "are untrained people who didn't even have enough smarts to make it through university."
You will want to be refreshed in the morning to begin the battle against we pesky dragons!
|
|