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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 18:40:43 GMT -5
I've been awed by those who by standing up against catholic priests and ministers in other churches have been the real agents of change and helped make things healthier all around. Real change in organizations seems to come from outside not from the true believers who are content with the way things are and myths of perfection. Well said! Transparency, accountability, openness, honesty. Stop with the obstruction and coverups.
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Post by magpie on Nov 10, 2015 20:54:41 GMT -5
So someone sugested CSA is not a spiritual issue. "WOT"? When those claiming to represent our God and have destroyed spiritual and personal lives through brutal,"CRIMINAL" CSA,it is a "VERY" spiritual matter. First it is immoral and unbiblical,and in the other hand,Biblical teachings are spiritual,and a crime before State authorities and God are punishable. And those who try and sweep these crimes under the carpet or from their minds, when claiming Christianity,are punishable under both State child protection Law and God. Yes both,what do you know and won't disclose to relavant authorities?. CLASS ACTION NEEDED?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 22:54:31 GMT -5
I've been awed by those who by standing up against catholic priests and ministers in other churches have been the real agents of change and helped make things healthier all around. Real change in organizations seems to come from outside not from the true believers who are content with the way things are and myths of perfection. Well said! Transparency, accountability, openness, honesty. Stop with the obstruction and coverups. are you Mr review005?
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 10, 2015 23:21:56 GMT -5
No @virgo, he isn't Mr @review said there was no need for changes if I remember correctly !
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Post by rational on Nov 11, 2015 0:43:58 GMT -5
So someone sugested CSA is not a spiritual issue. That would have been me.The act is a criminal matter. If you want to take your beliefs and drape them on the members who you feel have violated some code of the being you believe in that is fine. But the act of molesting a child is a criminal one and the solution to reduce the rate of abuse will not be accomplished through a spiritual means. They may repent but then what? They may confess to god but then what?.It is immoral. Point out the verse(s) in the bible that speak out regarding child abuse.Yes, both agencies that deal with crime, not spiritual issues. Yes, report the crimes.Yes. Action taken against criminals.
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Post by magpie on Nov 12, 2015 6:46:05 GMT -5
Good ol' rationale' Within a church structure a criminal act is both State law as well as biblical law,you cannot separate the two. I would rather face a secular court than having to admit before all my christian brothers and sisters that I was a Criminal paedophile ,who destroyed the innocent children amongst you. Percy Watkins couldn't ? Perhaps a few more should come out of their overseer protected closets,before they face the ultimate judgement..What is a few months in a jail now to a lost eternity? Suffer (urge) little to come unto me for such is the Kingdom of Heaven. The Bible does not mention driving a vehicle without a valid license,or walking against a red light? You are a nit picker extraordinair.
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Post by magpie on Nov 12, 2015 6:54:40 GMT -5
Missed a bit,Rationale'. Suffer(urge) little "CHILDREN" to come unto Me for such is the Kingdom of Heaven. I am inclined to miss a word or two but at my age hope I am forgiven. You know I used to post in capitals and some nasties said they would not read them unless i wrote in the other stuff. I left school at 14 and went on the farm we got electricity when I was 15,so I dont think I am doing to bad,do you?
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Post by rational on Nov 12, 2015 9:59:20 GMT -5
Good ol' rationale' Within a church structure a criminal act is both State law as well as biblical law,you cannot separate the two. Of course I can. Your biblical law means nothing to me any more that the Quran law means something to you.You are combining legal principles with social consequences. I don't know Percy but I am guessing that he was a suicide case. I am also guessing that you don't know why he committed suicide. That is your belief but there is the possibility that they die and that will be the end.Again, this is your belief.As you know, people have been reading the Bible for centuries and coming up with a multitude of meanings. You are like many believers that want people to accept the larger premise and ignore the minutia that form the foundation of the claim. And when someone questions the firmness of the foundation you retreat to personal attacks. You are right the bible does not mention those things. It does mention selling your daughter. And stoning your children is they disrespect you. Oddly enough it is silent regarding child abuse. You feel your beliefs are valid. But in a society the laws have to be accepted and enforced equally for all. We can't have one part of a society operating under the eye-for-an-eye concept and others not willing to follow along.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 21:29:04 GMT -5
It's quite safe to say that if an autocratic worker who wished to cover up a CSA was less autocratic, he would be less successful in covering things up. That is obvious. But that doesn't mean that less autocracy in general means less CSA. It also does not mean that a more autocratic group will have more CSA than a less autocratic one, because there are so many other factors that come into play in CSA. People who have a "hate on" for the friends are prone to making wild leaps in logic based on any negative thing they can find. Nothing new there; the world is full of it.This is the old ad hominen fallacy trotted out. For real? You don't think 2x2ism is full of bad governance, bad practices, bad guidance, bad ideas, etc? The only thing holding 2x2ism from becoming Somalia is that 2x2ism exists within the Rule-of-Law of Western Civilization. It's utterly incredible that 2x2ism hasn't adopted Rule-of-Law for it's own governance, despite seeing the magnificence of what Rule-of-Law has created in a civilization that even allows 2x2ism to survive.
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