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Post by emy on Jul 21, 2015 18:18:58 GMT -5
I have not heard from an exe , that states you are a "satan sect".
But several agreed somewhat that we are a "partiularly dangerous cult."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 18:28:47 GMT -5
And its really no different with the theory
that Paul started Christianity. Plenty of
solid evidence for that - quite scholarly
research in fact. Amongst Christians I talk
to there is a blanket refusal to accept this.
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Post by emy on Jul 21, 2015 18:30:08 GMT -5
Have you always been honest Mary? I think if we are honest we'll admit that sometimes we keep things to ourselves because we feel that is for the best. I agree that there should have been more honesty about the beginnings, especially from the 1980s when Doug Parker's book was published. However, I'm not convinced that the coverup was as orchestrated as some exes claim. Early workers were focused on preaching the gospel of the first century - not trying to convince people that their church had an unbroken line from that era. I tend to agree. I think William Irvine was never mentioned because they were completely embarrassed about him. If you talk to folk in Ireland they have always known about the beginnings. However, seems in the US it was largely covered up. The crazy part is that when the Secret Sect came out they could have decided to talk about it openly and dispel some of the myths that had grown around a continuous line down through the ages. They chose not to - I suspect there were some who did not want to dispel the myth for obvious reasons while others such as John Winter, would sit with us in front of the fire at our home and tell the whole story. Are you agreeing with Mary or Fixit?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 18:35:09 GMT -5
"Not orchestrated."
Well, once one believes that, what can anyone express to reveal otherwise?
Do you not believe overseers agreed to put a lid on it? Do you not believe early letters that have come to light reflecting that is exactly what happened? Obviously you were never in the work and actually told never to mention anything about it by overseers and/or older companions.
Actually, in those days I believe gross error was occurring, that if we simply taught how we did things and why we did them that way, without all the deception, we as a group might prosper. But no, the orchestrating continued, and woe to anyone getting out of the party line on that topic. I knew many young workers who left that work, and that fellowship because of it!
Those believing it was not orchestrated can hardly wait for all of us to die off, so their false beliefs about the subject can be allowed to grow and spread.
Men such as Harold Stuart (deceased) Willie Jamieson, and others revealed that orchestrating, the younger wondering "why?" The older quoted as saying, "We thought we were so smart proclaiming ourselves as the only way, not so easy now!" Letters I've read from Jack Carroll, others account of the Muzzling of mouths.... And you have the audacity to post here "no orchestrating!"
Why not be honest? Admitt there was, put an end to it, and try to build upon what you believe is the foundation rather than all the revisionist history attempts? They have destroyed a great deal in the past, and will destroy more in the future. "Why?" indeed, Herold, old friend!
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Post by snow on Jul 21, 2015 19:51:25 GMT -5
I have not heard from an exe , that states you are a "satan sect". But several agreed somewhat that we are a "partiularly dangerous cult." True, but only because you don't believe in the Trinity. So far no one has said that means anyone not believing in the Trinity is going to hell, so it can't be too bad. Now if you were associated with Satan that's different. Personally, it really doesn't matter what others think as long as you are happy where you are, believing what you believe. The Trinity is a belief older than Christianity and the reason why it took hold is because the ones advocating for it had the backing of the Roman Army. That doesn't mean it's true and many other Christian sects didn't believe it to be true, but when you have muscle behind your beliefs you usually can push them through by destroying others writings and in many cases killing the advocates for a different belief. |
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Post by howitis on Jul 21, 2015 19:58:20 GMT -5
Yes shame on me, double shame, fancy not putting my identity out there for all to see especially since some of my predators would love to know where I am and what I'm doing so they could prey on my children and grandchildren. Just when I had read your goatherd thread Dennis and was feeling quite a lot for you, with your offspring not speaking to uou etc, knowing full well that I almost put my poor parents through much the same!! So Dennis, you were in the work? Did you have knowledge of CSA? Were you a participant or preventor? So many posts on here claim the workers knew.....what did you do about it?
So I was angry, felt betrayed, hurt, lost, cranky bitter and I was off to prove a thing or two against the so called 2x2's. And knowing Doug Parker had caused a few ripples thought a good place to start would be where he had lived. Yes its easy to get a job when you want one bad enough even if it was shoveling poop!!!
What I found out about was not what I expected suffice to say I could have found the same, but didn't because of unwillingness, by staying where I was reading, praying and meditating because in time if you allow the Spirit reveals all things.
No I don't think we have too many workers in my family maybe a great uncle or something on one side that I never met my dad was the only one in his family and my mums folk professed and then she did too later on, but as far as I know it was my grandparents when they had a young family so most of their siblings weren't professing.
What my parents thought about William Irvine, Doug Parker or John Hardie was hardly relevant I can never remember them speaking badly of them at all.
The point I was making is that was Doug Parkers motive to split the 2x2 church?
What would have been his reason?
Aren't most Christian folk pleased when others have a faith?
The other point is does our faith really boil down to another's testimony or a collection of them?
The way I see it there seems to be a double standard lurking amongst these posts and pages....if I say naught I'm villified, if I produce evidence I'm speaking ill of the dead and bringing up stuff that cannot be verified.....damned if I do or damned if I don't sort if situation, but it also seems thats how you people prefer it!!
As for the origin of your faith, mine began in Genisis'....and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.....' without the Spirit of God moving, we're not left with much at all!
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Post by emy on Jul 21, 2015 20:14:36 GMT -5
Exactly some questions I have had, howitis. And the last one especially. We believe in Jesus, we live Christian lives just as much as any other global church. Are there bad apples? Sure. Someone find me a church within traveling distance that doesn't have bad apples and I will look into it.
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Post by fixit on Jul 21, 2015 20:31:47 GMT -5
"Not orchestrated." Well, once one believes that, what can anyone express to reveal otherwise? Do you not believe overseers agreed to put a lid on it? Do you not believe early letters that have come to light reflecting that is exactly what happened? Obviously you were never in the work and actually told never to mention anything about it by overseers and/or older companions. Actually, in those days I believe gross error was occurring, that if we simply taught how we did things and why we did them that way, without all the deception, we as a group might prosper. But no, the orchestrating continued, and woe to anyone getting out of the party line on that topic. I knew many young workers who left that work, and that fellowship because of it! Those believing it was not orchestrated can hardly wait for all of us to die off, so their false beliefs about the subject can be allowed to grow and spread. Men such as Harold Stuart (deceased) Willie Jamieson, and others revealed that orchestrating, the younger wondering "why?" The older quoted as saying, "We thought we were so smart proclaiming ourselves as the only way, not so easy now!" Letters I've read from Jack Carroll, others account of the Muzzling of mouths.... And you have the audacity to post here "no orchestrating!" Why not be honest? Admitt there was, put an end to it, and try to build upon what you believe is the foundation rather than all the revisionist history attempts? They have destroyed a great deal in the past, and will destroy more in the future. "Why?" indeed, Herold, old friend! DJ I wrote that I'm not convinced, but I'm not closed-minded on the subject Dennis. Clearly you know much more about the subject that I do. Thanks for telling us your experience. I agree that more honesty from the 1980s on would have left the fellowship in better shape. There were some notes floating around of Willie Jamieson's testimony that seemed pretty honest. |
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 21, 2015 20:38:59 GMT -5
It is, but it's not allowed for friends and workers to ask for the other side of the story, or suggest that both sides be told. That's the problem with activist exe posts, statements, and publications, including Parker. They rarely talk about anything that is good and right. When it's only the bad that gets published you see extremely one-sided comments like this on a youtube video. where did they get those ideas? From activist exe websites and publications. Thanks Jesse, I suggest that probably the best way to refute lies, like the one you gave as an example that the workers are a satan sect, is with facts, and don't beat around the bush. Tell them the truth-period. If people STILL want to believe a lie, that's their choice, but at least give them the information that the f&w church desire to follow Jesus, NOT Satan, and tell them the truth, that yes, William Irvine played a BIG role in starting the church we are a part of today. IF you try to cover up at all about William Irvine and his important role, people doubt your honesty and integrity, will be suspicious of everything you say, and then will believe a STUPID lie like you are Satan followers or other nonsense, from people who might actually have an agenda of hatred or whatever against your church. I have not heard from an exe , that states you are a "satan sect". I have noticed NUMEROUS times , when workers and friends are spoken positively about and honestly about, that MANY exes chime right in and totally agree and appreciate the good people and good memories and good segments of the church. I agree, the bad does get spoken about more, as people feel a need for change, from bad to good. The good is not needed to be changed from good to bad, so leave that be. I have LOTS of good memories and treasure the people in your church- PERIOD I'll take this opportunity. We have a granddaughter born with cleft palate , lip, and two years ago, her parents got a call from the convention grounds from one of the friends, who they had never met or heard of . Grampa was at convention and telling this visitng person about his granddaughter, and this person, who was also born with a cleft palate, took it upon himself to phone our children and encourage them and just share his lifes experience and love with them. IT was an awesome visit they had, and I have tears right now thinking of this person whom we have never met to this day and the encouragement he was to our family, including an invitation to visit their place. AWESOME people , with flaws like we all do. Just because we don't always share the same views, does NOT make us enemies. All the best in your journey in life, and if I have spoken untruth to you or anyone else here, I am sorry and would like to be corrected. Thank you Alvin Alvin Nice post Alvin, thanks. I wish everyone was as fair as you and @redback. Here are some exe quotes using Satan and devil; Jesse, if you are not guilty, then don't take it to mean you! But you are the minority then! And that goes for the rest of you 2x2's on here, too, blindly defending a system with Satan at the very core of it! Irvine writing about what he did during the war 1914-1918 while he was in America... After spending a year in car all over the states, I spent a year alone in San Diego in a shack and there I got to see and taste much of the tenderness and love of God and Jesus which I could see was lacking in our interpretation of Jesus as the way, truth and life…Then I went amongst Testimony friends and workers to find the Devil and Satan had swamped them, and it was rather a painful experience but the only way I could have been convinced of their condition. (Oct 20, 1935 Letter to Sandy Hinds, Australia) I'm sure I could find more. |
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 21, 2015 20:46:25 GMT -5
I have called it a cult casually before, but actually it's an occult. It is technically an occult.A group of satan worshippers. When you willfully reject the teaching of Jesus Christ, God the son and then say that the spirit that they are following does not lead them to obey Christ, then obviously their is an evil spirit leading them. It is of the devil, not of God. Again, the workers are totally involved in a worship of the devil and are encouraging others to do the same. I will mention here, Nathan Barker and Bert, total Satan worshippers who are quite familiar with the basic teachings of the Bible and admantly are against those who preach Christ and lift Christ up. These people cannot be persuaded by the will of man. They are possesed by Satan and are totally unstable in their mind. Yet they follow the spirit of the devil and are captive to it. 2x2s predictably follow the works of the devil.The 2x2s for the most part are not apathetic Christians, they are totally involved in worshiping Satan, who they think is some special 2x2 god to them who is going to save them. Brad |
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Post by xna on Jul 21, 2015 20:58:52 GMT -5
I have called it a cult casually before, but actually it's an occult. It is technically an occult.A group of satan worshippers. When you willfully reject the teaching of Jesus Christ, God the son and then say that the spirit that they are following does not lead them to obey Christ, then obviously their is an evil spirit leading them. It is of the devil, not of God. Again, the workers are totally involved in a worship of the devil and are encouraging others to do the same. I will mention here, Nathan Barker and Bert, total Satan worshippers who are quite familiar with the basic teachings of the Bible and admantly are against those who preach Christ and lift Christ up. These people cannot be persuaded by the will of man. They are possesed by Satan and are totally unstable in their mind. Yet they follow the spirit of the devil and are captive to it. 2x2s predictably follow the works of the devil.The 2x2s for the most part are not apathetic Christians, they are totally involved in worshiping Satan, who they think is some special 2x2 god to them who is going to save them. Brad I understood the F&W thought it's better to have no religion than the wrong religion, and all those not in the way, are in a false religion. I have heard this verse preached on “For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.” —Mark 13:22 I told all my family they were deceived by the devil and not worshiping god. I suspect if other denominations were honest they would tell the other denominations the same. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 21, 2015 21:01:27 GMT -5
Yes shame on me, double shame, fancy not putting my identity out there for all to see especially since some of my predators would love to know where I am and what I'm doing so they could prey on my children and grandchildren. Just when I had read your goatherd thread Dennis and was feeling quite a lot for you, with your offspring not speaking to uou etc, knowing full well that I almost put my poor parents through much the same!! So Dennis, you were in the work? Did you have knowledge of CSA? Were you a participant or preventor? So many posts on here claim the workers knew.....what did you do about it? So I was angry, felt betrayed, hurt, lost, cranky bitter and I was off to prove a thing or two against the so called 2x2's. And knowing Doug Parker had caused a few ripples thought a good place to start would be where he had lived. Yes its easy to get a job when you want one bad enough even if it was shoveling poop!!! What I found out about was not what I expected suffice to say I could have found the same, but didn't because of unwillingness, by staying where I was reading, praying and meditating because in time if you allow the Spirit reveals all things. No I don't think we have too many workers in my family maybe a great uncle or something on one side that I never met my dad was the only one in his family and my mums folk professed and then she did too later on, but as far as I know it was my grandparents when they had a young family so most of their siblings weren't professing. What my parents thought about William Irvine, Doug Parker or John Hardie was hardly relevant I can never remember them speaking badly of them at all. The point I was making is that was Doug Parkers motive to split the 2x2 church? What would have been his reason? Aren't most Christian folk pleased when others have a faith? The other point is does our faith really boil down to another's testimony or a collection of them? The way I see it there seems to be a double standard lurking amongst these posts and pages....if I say naught I'm villified, if I produce evidence I'm speaking ill of the dead and bringing up stuff that cannot be verified.....damned if I do or damned if I don't sort if situation, but it also seems thats how you people prefer it!! As for the origin of your faith, mine began in Genisis'....and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.....' without the Spirit of God moving, we're not left with much at all! Howitis, if you wanted to find out information from Doug, why not ask him himself ? Weren't you in NSW in the 70's ? You said your parents never spoke badly of Doug Parker, well something doesn't add up there, because I know that at Booyong Convention in the 50's, my great grandmother and my grandmother, were told how bad Doug Parker was, and that his books were bought then burnt so people couldn't read them. What exactly do you mean by Doug Parkers motive to split the Church ? Maybe Elizabeth or Cherie can help us out here, how many people actually left the F&W Church in the 50's after Doug's Book came out ? I would say a lot more people have left in the last 20 years because of the Internet & the information about William Irvine. Did you know about William Irvine growing up ? |
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 21, 2015 21:17:56 GMT -5
I understood the F&W thought it's better to have no religion than the wrong religion, and all those not in the way, are in a false religion. I have heard this verse preached on “For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.” —Mark 13:22 I told all my family they were deceived by the devil and not worshiping god. I suspect if other denominations were honest they would tell the other denominations the same. That post was for Alvin who was wondering about exes saying things like 2x2s are of Satan. I've never been like you say you were as a 2x2 - telling your family they were deceived by the devil? Wow. |
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Post by xna on Jul 21, 2015 21:27:41 GMT -5
I understood the F&W thought it's better to have no religion than the wrong religion, and all those not in the way, are in a false religion. I have heard this verse preached on “For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.” —Mark 13:22 I told all my family they were deceived by the devil and not worshiping god. I suspect if other denominations were honest they would tell the other denominations the same. That post was for Alvin who was wondering about exes saying things like 2x2s are of Satan. I've never been like you say you were as a 2x2 - telling your family they were deceived by the devil? Wow. Perhaps there was a kinder gentler version of the “good news” preached in some other parts of the world? The workers which I professed thru made it very clear that the truth was a sword that divides families and all other preachers were hirelings controlled by satan. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 21, 2015 21:27:56 GMT -5
Exactly some questions I have had, howitis. And the last one especially. We believe in Jesus, we live Christian lives just as much as any other global church. Are there bad apples? Sure. Someone find me a church within traveling distance that doesn't have bad apples and I will look into it. Given what he had been through with John Hardie I don't think Doug was too motivated by splitting the church etc - he was primarily motivated to tell the truth about the history of the church. The split or large number that left in my view was not Dougs fault at all - if the workers had of responded to the book in a transparent and honest manner there would have been far less fall-out. Take Alberta and Vietnam as more recent examples on a much smaller scale. Did the workers' response in these situations exacerbate or take the heat out of the situations? The way any leadership, whether secular or religious, responds to a crisis, is quite key to what subsequently unfolds. Ross do you know how many left after Doug's book came out in the 50's or the 80's ? |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 21, 2015 21:28:42 GMT -5
That's an excuse for the cover up Emy. Honesty always pays. If it isn't a coverup, then no excuse is needed. I see Fixit had a similar thought!!
What else could a person could call it when only a few people knew & they allowed the misunderstanding to be perpetuated!
Maybe they didn't overtly lie about it but they certainly covertly "allowed" the misunderstanding by just not talking about it!
One is just as much a deception as the the other!
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Post by slowtosee on Jul 21, 2015 21:31:52 GMT -5
Thanks Jesse. I stand corrected, as evidently some exes have stated your church is of Satan. Sadly, when people are hurt and in retaliation mode, name calling happens and it hurts in return. No winners. No excuse. It is hurtful to be viewed as an agent of Satan, as many can attest. Yes it does. Thanks for your reply. Alvin
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 21:39:48 GMT -5
Shame and double shame? Doesn't appear to me you feel any shame in this matter at all, which I AM very sad to express.
My point was, and remains, the shame we all should feel is in attacking anyone in the manner you have from anonymity.
You ask if I was a worker! If you have any doubts, read, woman, read! Nobody brought any woes of their abuse to me while I was in that work! NONE! Left that work with a lifetime disability through absolutely no fault of my own, having overseers Hugo Johnson AND Therald Sylvester begging me to return, both knowing of my learning things that cannot be rationalized, justified in any way, in that ministry even now by you nor anyone else!
If you suffered any form of physical or sexual abuse in your family growing up, so did I.
It makes me very sad to hear of anyone else enduring such. Anyone! And if anyone includes you, then I am very sad even doubly sad about that also, yet there is nothing I can do about it.
Now then as to your enemies, has any of them with lots of money and motivated by jealousy gone to your overseer, lied about you, in attempt to garner favor, then had the audacity IN YOUR HOME to sit as one of your judges, rejoicing in seeing you put out of fellowship? How would you respond if it did? WOULD you Just forget about family and friends for whom you also gave the best part of your life? How WOULD you respond to someone posting nasties about you or another anonymously? Just because you believe there was a motive of financial gain by somehow splitting your fellowship?
Am I sorry for you and those attempting to defend the indefensible? Yes, I certainly AM!
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Post by howitis on Jul 21, 2015 21:52:16 GMT -5
Roselyn,
Obviously you had more professing relations than me. My father was very new to the truth and having had a revelation of faith in his life I doubt the WI or Doug Parker stuff was something that dampened that faith so why would he speak ill, it was just a matter of this fellow has said this etc. My mum had seen a transformation in her parents and homelife once her parents listened to the Gospel so her faith never waiverd either. My parents worked on their faith together and it was wonderful to see, they read aloud to each other from the bible everyday and we as their children never ever witnessed an argument between them. I'm really sorry this wasn't your experience.
The other thought is, isn't the 1954 stuff and the secret sect stuff much the same?
Also some people are interested in their family tree, others don't give a toss. Just because you find out your great grandfather was an axe murderer it doesn't make you one, nor does it require you to become one.
Cherie,
isn't it you who have written you were 'starving'?(if not whoever it was) you said you'd never bible studied verse by verse, word by word? Well pardon me for asking did you not have a bible? Or did you have an eye problem that prevented it? Seems a little like taking a child to a party where the tables are laden, and on your way home the child complains that they're hungry! The meat was there why did you not partake?
Ross,
You mentioned the 2x2 church being hard to leave, that wasn't very difficult in my experience you just don't go, no one badgered me at all.........maybe you're more valuable than me! I do know of someone leaving a church though and being sent an account for unpaid tithes!!
And can I ask why is it ok for Doug Parker to be busy with his ministry for 30 years which is why his book wasn't released until the 80's, but nit ok for the workers to be busy preaching the Gospel that they didn't address the Irvine stuff?
Really can't see how the history, factsm fallacies, fabrications, tales, gossip, testimonials and all is actually going to get any of us to Heaven, tjink we need Jesus for that abd thats what we alk should be concentrating on.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 21, 2015 22:06:08 GMT -5
Thanks Jesse. I stand corrected, as evidently some exes have stated your church is of Satan. Sadly, when people are hurt and in retaliation mode, name calling happens and it hurts in return. No winners. No excuse. It is hurtful to be viewed as an agent of Satan, as many can attest. Yes it does. Thanks for your reply. Alvin Yes it's sad. Which is why I like threads like this one -->> Let There Be Peace. << |
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 21, 2015 22:10:36 GMT -5
Roselyn, Obviously you had more professing relations than me. My father was very new to the truth and having had a revelation of faith in his life I doubt the WI or Doug Parker stuff was something that dampened that faith so why would he speak ill, it was just a matter of this fellow has said this etc. My mum had seen a transformation in her parents and homelife once her parents listened to the Gospel so her faith never waiverd either. My parents worked on their faith together and it was wonderful to see, they read aloud to each other from the bible everyday and we as their children never ever witnessed an argument between them. I'm really sorry this wasn't your experience. The other thought is, isn't the 1954 stuff and the secret sect stuff much the same? Also some people are interested in their family tree, others don't give a toss. Just because you find out your great grandfather was an axe murderer it doesn't make you one, nor does it require you to become one. Cherie, isn't it you who have written you were 'starving'?(if not whoever it was) you said you'd never bible studied verse by verse, word by word? Well pardon me for asking did you not have a bible? Or did you have an eye problem that prevented it? Seems a little like taking a child to a party where the tables are laden, and on your way home the child complains that they're hungry! The meat was there why did you not partake? Ross, You mentioned the 2x2 church being hard to leave, that wasn't very difficult in my experience you just don't go, no one badgered me at all.........maybe you're more valuable than me! I do know of someone leaving a church though and being sent an account for unpaid tithes!! And can I ask why is it ok for Doug Parker to be busy with his ministry for 30 years which is why his book wasn't released until the 80's, but nit ok for the workers to be busy preaching the Gospel that they didn't address the Irvine stuff? Really can't see how the history, factsm fallacies, fabrications, tales, gossip, testimonials and all is actually going to get any of us to Heaven, tjink we need Jesus for that abd thats what we alk should be concentrating on. Yes, howitis I have a lot of history in the F&W Church, I was in the 5th generation of 6 that have been part of the F&W, therefore I understand what Ross means when he said it was hard to leave, also how much pressure is put on from earlier generations to "keep the standard" and that the F&W Church is the only "right way" and if you dare leave you are lost. But meanwhile the workers are lying to people about Irvine. Even the people that were born in Ireland and their families knew Irvine, never passed that information on once they came to Australia. |
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Post by emy on Jul 21, 2015 22:13:41 GMT -5
Was Parker's 50's expose' sent to the general congregation or mainly workers? I thought when the Secret Sect was published was when most people heard about it. And some left. But not so many as hoped? So then we heard about secret funds? and then CSA? What else?
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Post by howitis on Jul 21, 2015 22:14:23 GMT -5
Did I 'attack' Dennis, I thought I was just asking a few reasonably rational questions!
And now I find are and have people left the truth because of feelings of deception ovet the origins of 'the truth' or is it for personal reasons or a bit of both.
I cannot comment on your experience and would never try. I feel desperately sorry for you in your current situation and if it was my portion I would come and help you with your building efforts, but I guess I wouldn't be very welcome.
I just find the bitterness here so, so , so unusual did not Jesus die for all mankind that will accept Him into their lives, I'm certainly glad of any contact with those that have accepted Him as their Lord and Saviour, can't say I'm into denominations so much as salvation, but somehow most of the stuff written here is about Domination!
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Post by fixit on Jul 21, 2015 22:22:12 GMT -5
Was Parker's 50's expose' sent to the general congregation or mainly workers? I thought when the Secret Sect was published was when most people heard about it. And some left. But not so many as hoped? So then we heard about secret funds? and then CSA? What else? The more the better. Deceitful and ungodly behaviours need to be exposed so they can be dealt with.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 21, 2015 22:25:05 GMT -5
We all heal in our own time and way I suppose, yes some are bitter & as I have said before at this point in time I am bitter. I feel like I have been lied to all my life & have had to live to someone else's standard, then things start coming out like the issue with Noel Harvey, Ernie Barry & Chris Chandler and people get angry. It is the double standard, the very idea of saying "We are the only right way" that I see as wrong.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 21, 2015 22:29:50 GMT -5
Yes shame on me, double shame, fancy not putting my identity out there for all to see especially since some of my predators would love to know where I am and what I'm doing so they could prey on my children and grandchildren.
All I wanted was a reference to some kind of site we could explore as to the vague, ambiguous allegations that you made about Parker.
If you want to take your information to your grave with you, fine.
I do think though that when someone brings up something like that about someone as you did & then just wants to let leave it hang out there without any further explanation, -does that person a great injustice.
Why do you think that it was Doug Parkers motive to split the 2x2 church?
Have you read his testimony?
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Post by howitis on Jul 21, 2015 22:39:32 GMT -5
DMG, I would just like to know his motive that's all! I don't want my faith based on what someone else says about somebody else nor to I want that sort of faith fr another so I'm leaving it at that, knowing full well honest, seeking souls will be given their answers in Gods time. I was nor trying to do Doug an injustice at any time, just merely questioning his motive and timing.
Emy,
Who knows what next? You know '...the way of a man is right in his own eyes....', there will always be problems of some sort.
Roselyn
I really feel for you, the feeling of deception must be awful, I am one of the lucky ones!
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 21, 2015 22:50:45 GMT -5
Thank you for your reply howitis, is there a reason why you feel Doug had a motive? It would be interesting to see how many people left the F&W when Doug's book came out, also how many left in the 50's ?
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