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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 20:05:51 GMT -5
Bert you are so articulate, you leave me right behind. Just love and admire you more every day. I will not pick on you any more, promise. Pity anybody who does, you are my mate.
You can pick on me anytime you like Redback.
We both learn from it.
 Bert thank you for being so generous in your attitude toward me. I couldn't agree more, exchanges between opposite opinions are good, both learn from it. I think what us ex's must remember is that TMB is a 2x2 forum, as stated in the preamble, Welcome to Truth Meetings Board. This message board discusses meetings in the home, a homeless 2X2 ministry called "The Work", annual conventions on farms and a fellowship with no name. This is the church of George Walker, John Hardie, Willie Jamieson, Jack Carroll, and William Irvine. Many professing people feel it is a continuation of the New Testament meetings and ministry. Some also feel "Truth" is the only true/right church. Maybe admin should consider the mention of ex's in the preamble. We are only hear under sufferance, and maybe this is causing some friction. I know a number of good 2x2,s, friends of mine, who no longer post, because of the rot that goes on. We need them back again, to make TMB a better place. Nowdays you fear to turn on the news, because it is bad. Chistians are being shot or beheaded only because they are Christians, and our Prime Minister has said they are coming for us. Surely this is a reason for Christians to stick together, and rejoice together that we follow the same Christ, and worship the same God. We should be generous in spirit and include the Atheist, Muslim,etc, we can learn from them to. So Bert you and I have made the attempt to connect, surely others can do the same. This should be a peace thread, any who spoil it should be fined by Admin, proceeds to Red Cross. I love the song"Let there be Peace", sung by Daniel O'Donnell, maybe somebody with better tech skills could post on this thread. Come on TMB folk, let us make this forum a better place for all. |
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Post by withlove on Jun 30, 2015 2:50:13 GMT -5
Lovely post, redback! Is this the version of the song you like.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 3:49:25 GMT -5
Thanks withlove, exactly right. You have made an old man happy, God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 5:55:02 GMT -5
Thanks for your post red back it is very timely. The bickering and antagonism here is frustrating to me; it was there when I first joined the predecessor of this forum in 2003 and that was the main reason I had left it for several years. I rejoined it and many of the former members had left but some remained and we try to coexist. I appreciate and welcome many of the posters and postings and that is why I continue to visit and post here, it is my opinion that some posters get a kick out of challenging others, they oppose for the sake of opposing or maybe just to wind up others; many have legitimate reasons for their attitudes and expressions based on experiences and their frustrations and I believe that they have a right to tell their side of the story. What is needed is patience, understanding, compassion and sensitivity to the feelings of others. Personally I have learnt a lot of positive things on the forum, it can be enlightening as to what actually happens in other parts of the world revealing the fact the the fellowship is not necessarily universal in all its practices as some of us take for granted, it can also be educational in other areas of discourse. Red back I salute your effort to bring calm and sanity to the forum, I think that we would have much to gain and very little, if anything, to lose; well done, my friend, well done. Fellow posters please take heed. Peace perfect peace: youtu.be/bJ4ofbkOY1w |
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Post by hberry on Jun 30, 2015 10:06:06 GMT -5
I have always felt that one of the hallmarks of maturity, and spiritual maturity especially, is to listen with respect to opposing viewpoints and not become angry. Keeping your ego out of the discussion always helps, of course. Defending your beliefs without attacking the other person's beliefs--and especially not the other person--leads to meaningful dialog from which both parties can learn. I don't care to post much anymore, as it often reminds me of a line from Buffalo Springfield's For What It's Worth: There's battle lines being drawn, Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
It's nice when the exchange is more than "you're wrong and I'm right." And that can be a challenge to pull off kindly.
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Post by snow on Jun 30, 2015 14:00:26 GMT -5
I'm finding the tone lately a bit hard to take too. I've begun to think it's time to take a TMB vacation again. I care about everyone here so to see them at each other's throats so much lately, makes me sad. Worse it's making me feel like striking out against those who are striking out and that's not good either. I have erased so many posts in the last couple of weeks because I have given myself a guideline that I need to reread what I wrote a couple of times and if it still seems like something I want out there I will post it. Most of my knee jerk responses haven't been something I want to post so I've just abandoned them. But it is a sign I need a break because I wrote them in the first place. We will see how the next little while goes, but if I continue to have such responses it's probably best for everyone if I take a break. I'll be back though as I like my TMB community most of the time and I care about those I have gotten to know on here. (yes I reread this post a couple of times  ) |
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Post by hberry on Jun 30, 2015 14:11:08 GMT -5
I'm finding the tone lately a bit hard to take too. I've begun to think it's time to take a TMB vacation again. I care about everyone here so to see them at each other's throats so much lately, makes me sad. Worse it's making me feel like striking out against those who are striking out and that's not good either. I have erased so many posts in the last couple of weeks because I have given myself a guideline that I need to reread what I wrote a couple of times and if it still seems like something I want out there I will post it. Most of my knee jerk responses haven't been something I want to post so I've just abandoned them. But it is a sign I need a break because I wrote them in the first place. We will see how the next little while goes, but if I continue to have such responses it's probably best for everyone if I take a break. I'll be back though as I like my TMB community most of the time and I care about those I have gotten to know on here. (yes I reread this post a couple of times ) I've been feeling much the same. I've deleted several posts, not because they were snarky or unkind, but because I knew what would happen based on was happening and it wasn't worth the effort. Like you, I've grown fond of many posters here (cue the song: I've grown accustomed to her face), but at times the discussions read like a B Grade movie script of the Hatfields and McCoys or a rerun of the Reformation. And the fact it is over 100 degrees outside means I don't want to get "all het up" inside to make matters worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 16:15:31 GMT -5
Thank you kind folks for your posts. Snow and HB, many times I feel the same as you. But hang in there, TMB really needs you. The older I become, the more I am aware that there are two issues in life that will never be resolved. Politics and Religion. They have been there since the World began, and will still be there until the World ends. They have caused numerous wars, and set people apart, and brought about many deaths. They are Human belief systems, not about God.
But at the end of the day it is not about what we believe in, but what we have done. The favourite Hymn of my dear Dad was, "Only remembered by what we have done", 308 in the old hymn book. The chorus is,
" Only remembered, only remembered by by what we have done,
Thus would we pass from the earth and its toiling,
Only remembered by what we have done".
So it is our testimony that matters most. We should be free to tell it without fear or favour until the day we die. Some will not want to hear it, so be it. But there are those who may want to hear,
and be encouraged by it. That makes it worthwhile.
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Post by xna on Jun 30, 2015 16:40:45 GMT -5
Thank you kind folks for your posts. Snow and HB, many times I feel the same as you. But hang in there, TMB really needs you. The older I become, the more I am aware that there are two issues in life that will never be resolved. Politics and Religion. They have been there since the World began, and will still be there until the World ends. They have caused numerous wars, and set people apart, and brought about many deaths. They are Human belief systems, not about God. But at the end of the day it is not about what we believe in, but what we have done. The favourite Hymn of my dear Dad was, "Only remembered by what we have done", 308 in the old hymn book. The chorus is, " Only remembered, only remembered by by what we have done, Thus would we pass from the earth and its toiling, Only remembered by what we have done". So it is our testimony that matters most. We should be free to tell it without fear or favour until the day we die. Some will not want to hear it, so be it. But there are those who may want to hear, and be encouraged by it. That makes it worthwhile. A saved by works theme song. www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGkZneuhVm0www.hymntime.com/tch/htm/o/n/l/onlyreme.htm |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 17:11:27 GMT -5
[quote author=" xna" A saved by works theme song. Perhaps so, but some of us think that way, and are entitled to tell our story. |
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Post by hberry on Jun 30, 2015 17:43:10 GMT -5
[quote author=" xna" A saved by works theme song. Perhaps so, but some of us think that way, and are entitled to put our point of view. You know, I think it is more of a "rewards for what you've done" song, rather than a salvation by works song. We will only be remembered for what we've done by those we leave behind....and I think scripture indicates there are rewards for what you've done. A reward, not salvation. But then, that's how I read it these days. It is a nice tune for sure; easy to remember, easy to sing, and perhaps easy to march to (based on the trailer I saw for....was it War Horse?) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 18:23:54 GMT -5
Agee HB. Leave out the saved bit, that after all is only speculation. Good moral to live by, brings a lot of joy and satisfation in this life. No need to speculate what lies beyond, we do know what we have hear and now.
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Post by xna on Jun 30, 2015 19:01:22 GMT -5
[quote author=" xna" A saved by works theme song. Perhaps so, but some of us think that way, and are entitled to tell our story. I support everyone to be free to say what they believe, and the reasons for their belief. If they choose to be silent, that’s also fine with me too. BTW I side with those who take a simple, literal, & fundamental approach to the bible, like the 2x2. It’s by far the hardest road, but it has the least artificial ingredients added. Yet, since I don’t believe any religious road ends anywhere, I prefer for the Christians sake, that they choose a more liberal sect, such as the UU church. Where the people have a lighter burden to carry, even if their theology is very hard to defend. As far as saved by grace alone. I prefer people where their words and actions have a strong reason to agree. With grace alone, and once saved always saved, this combination does not often foster integrity by design, as they have perpetual get out of jail card. For a lot of people such people I find you have to watch what they say, and listen to what they do! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 23:46:01 GMT -5
When there used to be a bit of strife in our family, maybe a difference of opinion, our dear Mother used to say,"Let there be no strife amongst us, because we are brethren". Still hear those words some 60 years later. Of course they come from,
…And there was strife between the herdsmen of Abram's livestock and the herdsmen of Lot's livestock. Now the Canaanite and the Perizzite were dwelling then in the land. So Abram said to Lot, "Please let there be no strife between you and me, nor between my herdsmen and your herdsmen, for we are brothers.
So we on TMB are a family, sure let there be debate, that is good, as Bert said. But don't let that interfere with the love and respect we should keep toward each other.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 2, 2015 11:00:43 GMT -5
I agree with the premise of the thread. And redback you are not a bridge burner like some other exes who seem to want the bridge not only burnt down but blown to smithereens. When there are such severe lies, misrepresentations, and insults constantly directed towards the fellowship, and by default everyone in it, what is a professing person supposed to do? Ignore them? Why shouldn't we be able to call them out without getting labled as angry and all sorts of other things that aren't true?
Is it with love and respect magpie tells me I am in a "cold callous compassionless cult"? Then after posting that has the gall to post about "The splinter and the beam."!?!?
Some people really need to learn how to do some critical self-examination. It seems the posters with love and respect are the ones who do that.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 2, 2015 11:01:58 GMT -5
This thread should be on the main page.
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Post by Scott Ross on Jul 2, 2015 12:17:48 GMT -5
This thread should be on the main page. And now it is.... |
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Post by maryhig on Jul 2, 2015 12:35:52 GMT -5
Agee HB. Leave out the saved bit, that after all is only speculation. Good moral to live by, brings a lot of joy and satisfation in this life. No need to speculate what lies beyond, we do know what we have hear and now. I absolutely agree, get our hearts right now. And leave the afterlife in Gods hands. Just show love, compassion and forgiveness to one another because this is the way of Jesus. Because God looks at the heart not religion! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 15:30:28 GMT -5
Jesse, thank you for your kind words. I have no reason to feel bitter, I have many happy memories of my 2x2 days. I love and respect my Parents, know that they were sincere, and tried to do the best for us. I guess the one thing that we were not happy about was the wall of separation. Some would say we wanted to be "Worldly", not true. We spent our early years on dairy farms, isolated, worked hard. We became introverts, frightened of the big bad World. So therefore there was no hate toward 2x2's. After we left those who were our friends, we wanted to remain friends. But many shunned us, their choice not ours. But our door is always open, and a few true friends and Workers still share our offer. They know they are welcome for a meal, cuppa, and a warm chat. A Worker who is in Russia was home recently, paid us a visit, and it is always good to catch up with him. We have great respect for them, and likewise they for us. I do not see why it is wrong to talk over the fence, to me that is the way it should be.
We had a lovely visit from a couple yesterday, we love and respect them dearly.
So I will repost something I wrote 15 months ago, that brought us closer together. We spoke about it again yesterday,. we still marvel about it.
On both TMB, and TLC Temp. I posted a thread "To Where You Are". It was an account of how we lost our oldest Grandson Ben, in a surfing accident at Coffs Harbour, on 12th February 2007. On the headland above the beach from where he was surfing, a plaque has been placed on a rock. It is in an isolated spot, some distance from a car park,and not easy to find. The location is well off the main highway.
A few years ago on TMB I contacted someone who posted there. Because of the nature of the posts, I thought we may know them. I sent a PM, and found out we knew their parents well, and knew them as children. Because of this we have kept contact and become very good E friends. They live in Victoria, we live in New South Wales, and they have a Son in Queensland. They often visit their Son, by car, a 1600 KM trip. To go from Victoria to Queensland you need to go through NSW. It can either be the inland highway,past where we live, or the highway along the east coast.
Two weeks ago they arranged to have lunch with us as part of the trip. They came up the inland route. Whilst they are a sincere professing couple, and we being ex's, we spent a wonderful four hours together. We were able to catch up on Victorian news, where we grew up. It was great, we enjoyed it so much. We would have mentioned losing Ben, but without much detail, and certainly no mention of the exact location of the plaque. They returned to Victoria via the coastal highway,for a change of scenery.
Today they rang me, to tell me they stopped at a place called Sawtell, near Coffs Harbour. As far as I can remember when they were here, Sawtell was not mentioned. They went for a walk on the headland, and low and behold came across Ben's plaque. They hoped that we would understand the thrill they got in finding that plaque in such a remote spot. They could hardly believe what they had found, as it was certainly not planned.
I believe if people are truly in touch with God amazing things can happen. They as we do, have a great faith in God.
It is so refreshing, to have the bond between us, and one would pray and hope that this can happen more often between 2x2's and ex's. With God's help it can.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 3, 2015 16:58:39 GMT -5
Redback I wish I could like that post more than once!
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Post by whyisitso on Jul 3, 2015 18:36:02 GMT -5
Jesse, thank you for your kind words. I have no reason to feel bitter, I have many happy memories of my 2x2 days. I love and respect my Parents, know that they were sincere, and tried to do the best for us. I guess the one thing that we were not happy about was the wall of separation. Some would say we wanted to be "Worldly", not true. We spent our early years on dairy farms, isolated, worked hard. We became introverts, frightened of the big bad World. So therefore there was no hate toward 2x2's. After we left those who were our friends, we wanted to remain friends. But many shunned us, their choice not ours. But our door is always open, and a few true friends and Workers still share our offer. They know they are welcome for a meal, cuppa, and a warm chat. A Worker who is in Russia was home recently, paid us a visit, and it is always good to catch up with him. We have great respect for them, and likewise they for us. I do not see why it is wrong to talk over the fence, to me that is the way it should be. We had a lovely visit from a couple yesterday, we love and respect them dearly. So I will repost something I wrote 15 months ago, that brought us closer together. We spoke about it again yesterday,. we still marvel about it. On both TMB, and TLC Temp. I posted a thread "To Where You Are". It was an account of how we lost our oldest Grandson Ben, in a surfing accident at Coffs Harbour, on 12th February 2007. On the headland above the beach from where he was surfing, a plaque has been placed on a rock. It is in an isolated spot, some distance from a car park,and not easy to find. The location is well off the main highway. A few years ago on TMB I contacted someone who posted there. Because of the nature of the posts, I thought we may know them. I sent a PM, and found out we knew their parents well, and knew them as children. Because of this we have kept contact and become very good E friends. They live in Victoria, we live in New South Wales, and they have a Son in Queensland. They often visit their Son, by car, a 1600 KM trip. To go from Victoria to Queensland you need to go through NSW. It can either be the inland highway,past where we live, or the highway along the east coast. Two weeks ago they arranged to have lunch with us as part of the trip. They came up the inland route. Whilst they are a sincere professing couple, and we being ex's, we spent a wonderful four hours together. We were able to catch up on Victorian news, where we grew up. It was great, we enjoyed it so much. We would have mentioned losing Ben, but without much detail, and certainly no mention of the exact location of the plaque. They returned to Victoria via the coastal highway,for a change of scenery. Today they rang me, to tell me they stopped at a place called Sawtell, near Coffs Harbour. As far as I can remember when they were here, Sawtell was not mentioned. They went for a walk on the headland, and low and behold came across Ben's plaque. They hoped that we would understand the thrill they got in finding that plaque in such a remote spot. They could hardly believe what they had found, as it was certainly not planned. I believe if people are truly in touch with God amazing things can happen. They as we do, have a great faith in God. It is so refreshing, to have the bond between us, and one would pray and hope that this can happen more often between 2x2's and ex's. With God's help it can. How special for you all Redback. I saw the work of God in people's lives when I was going to meetings and I've definitely seen the work of God in lives since I've left, including my own. It's really comforting to me to see that work because despite the years of being told if I did anything else but go to meetings I'd be a lost soul I now know otherwise as I've proved it myself. God is there, all around us and moving things into place to let us know He's there. I'm glad you've seen Him there |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 21:23:59 GMT -5
Whyisitso, you are so right, God is everywhere, you need to be aware of it. When you find God, you put religion in its place. Be respectful of all religion, and those who believe. There is no good reason to knock anybody.
I am not an academic, and was a very poor scholar in English, History, Geography, my strong subjects were Math and Science. Hence I became a Technical Officer in Telecommunications, much of the time in D&R. Saw the early work on fibre optics and digital techniques. Design Engineers would do the theory part of a project, our job was to put it together and make it work. So I became a hands on person, and I became better with practical work, rather than theory. Sure you need some theory, but to me application is more important. Found theology and scripture, not my forte. My testimony is the great experiences I have enjoyed with others, both 2x2 and others from many different Churches. By the grace of God, I hope that will continue until I die. At 76 you realize in a very real way that you are in the twilight years,so make the most of it.
Bible was a hard slog for me. Favourite books would have been Psalms and Proverbs. Lots of gems of wisdom in those books, easy for me to understand. Some of the writings by Solomon used to fire me up. Of course the fire went out years ago, ran out of fuel.
70 years ago we learnt a poem at school called "Safety First". One verse was,
Solomon the wise,
Had 300 Wives,
He locked them up like bees in hives,
Now that was safety first.
Very wise man, that is how he coped, I have a struggle with one. Never tried locking her up. Love her lots, has been a great Wife and Mother to our 4 children. Often says to me but for my 2x2 days, I would be in the gutter. She is very wise, like Solomon.
Perhaps we need a lot more of the love that Solomon mentions, on TMB. Make love not war. Bit of war lately in some threads, which is very sad. We need each other.
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Post by bubbles on Jul 8, 2015 6:49:22 GMT -5
I like peace. Tis bliss.
The last few weeks for me have not been focused on tmb issues. From what Ive read tonight it seems like its just as well.
At the end of the day we must live with ourself,the choices we make, the words we say, the way we treat each other.
Just hope everyone is able to smile, face another day with confidence, enjoy the sunlight.
Hugs to you all. X
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 8, 2015 18:16:52 GMT -5
I've been feeling much the same. I've deleted several posts, not because they were snarky or unkind, but because I knew what would happen based on was happening and it wasn't worth the effort. Like you, I've grown fond of many posters here (cue the song: I've grown accustomed to her face), but at times the discussions read like a B Grade movie script of the Hatfields and McCoys or a rerun of the Reformation. And the fact it is over 100 degrees outside means I don't want to get "all het up" inside to make matters worse. Just a note...This is the same thing that was happening when we started TLC to get away from that very thing. |
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 8, 2015 22:09:40 GMT -5
I've been feeling much the same. I've deleted several posts, not because they were snarky or unkind, but because I knew what would happen based on was happening and it wasn't worth the effort.
Just a note...This is the same thing that was happening when we started TLC to get away from that very thing. I've deleted many posts for the exact same reason. Sometimes I wonder if snarky posts are ones that should be posted. Especially when you see nearly 100% snark from exe posters like Roselyn T. It helps lot to block snarky posters like that. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 9, 2015 1:01:38 GMT -5
Just a note...This is the same thing that was happening when we started TLC to get away from that very thing. I've deleted many posts for the exact same reason. Sometimes I wonder if snarky posts are ones that should be posted. Especially when you see nearly 100% snark from exe posters like Roselyn T. It helps lot to block snarky posters like that. Just to clarify when it comes to CSA & Domestic Violence within the F&W Jesse, I will be "snarky" ! You have blocked me so don't read what I write ! Its simple really ! You seem to be very good at being the kettle calling the pot black ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 14:39:33 GMT -5
Let's be honest. I do not believe their is one person on this board that has not said one unkind thing at one time or another.
I have and many times I am sorry.
What I see is some people appear to be on here only to tear others apart, and not add anything helpful to others lives. I don't know if that is their intent but sometimes what they say is very cutting.
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Post by withlove on Jul 9, 2015 15:02:13 GMT -5
Let's be honest. I do not believe their is one person on this board that has not said one unkind thing at one time or another. I have and many times I am sorry. What I see is some people appear to be on here only to tear others apart, and not add anything helpful to others lives. I don't know if that is their intent but sometimes what they say is very cutting. We could use an adviser on how to argue kindly and effectively. |
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