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Post by fixit on Nov 1, 2014 3:04:52 GMT -5
And you feel that the press got the diagnosis correct? Any backing for that belief by someone who actually is qualified? The statement: During his trial at Southwark Crown Court, the jury heard how the artist and musician abused one of his daughter's friends for 16 years - leaving his victim feeling "haunted".should bring a little doubt regarding the press labeling Harris as a pedophile. Pedophile, like cult or satanic worship, is a good word to sell newspapers whether it is true or not. I didn't make any judgment on whether the press was right or wrong. |
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Post by magpie on Nov 1, 2014 6:49:19 GMT -5
WHY MENTION ROLF HARRIS? THIS IS A QUEENSLAND ALERT INVOLVING FEARS OF A WORKERS DOUBTFUL REPUTATION. THE 2x2s ARE THE GREATEST TWISTERS OF A SUBJECT THAT MAY INVOLVE THEM IN A BAD LIGHT> Rolf Harris was also facing other charges,many much younger than 16. Still others comming out of the woodwork laying complaints.
If only 30% are true does that make him lesser than a paedophile?"NO"
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Post by magpie on Nov 1, 2014 16:25:44 GMT -5
There is no "RATIONALE'"in sujesting to "put these things to one side? Still amongst the sect worldwide,it is still happening,"now"? Also families watching knowing this has caused mental and family breakdowns,victim ostracism,suicides (inside and outside Australia),some being institutionalised ,and shame and fear. Re known 12 victims,a Detective has made it clear that the Ministry of the sects "hold over" attitude makes a victim afraid if they speak up they could be in fear of being put out of the only way to heaven,and THEY the VICTIM would disgrace their family before the workers and others.Again Barry's confession is missing,the one to make public to the victims. Not that $%^& that it is between him and God,and the not ungodly law made to protect our children.
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Post by rational on Nov 1, 2014 21:06:29 GMT -5
I didn't make any judgment on whether the press was right or wrong. No you didn't. And I just asked your opinions of what the press had claimed. And since you were responding to my post stating that most abusers are not pedophiles I also understood the implication of what you posted and was responding to that as well. |
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Post by rational on Nov 1, 2014 21:10:10 GMT -5
WHY MENTION ROLF HARRIS? THIS IS A QUEENSLAND ALERT INVOLVING FEARS OF A WORKERS DOUBTFUL REPUTATION. THE 2x2s ARE THE GREATEST TWISTERS OF A SUBJECT THAT MAY INVOLVE THEM IN A BAD LIGHT> Rolf Harris was also facing other charges,many much younger than 16. Still others comming out of the woodwork laying complaints. You will need to ask fixit the reason for bringing Harris into the discussion. My best guess would be to counter my claim that most abusers are not pedophiles. Not sure what this means. Do you know what the definition of a pedophile really is? |
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Post by rational on Nov 1, 2014 21:58:01 GMT -5
There is no "RATIONALE'"in sujesting to "put these things to one side? Is this a question? I think there are a number of reasons why some of the past needs to be put to one side. Is this a question? I would say "Yes, it is happening now." And these are the cases that can be addressed and where the victims hopefully will be reported to the authorities by the victims and/or their parents.There is probably little that can be done to help a person who believes that a child molester, or a group that protects a child molester, hold their destiny in their hands. There is little that can be done to help people who will protect the offender over the victim. That is a form of mental illness in itself.Not sure what you meant with this sentence. |
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Post by magpie on Nov 3, 2014 1:02:03 GMT -5
I have come to the conclusion Rational needs someone to help him grasp what"WARNING__QEENSLAND ALERT MEANS"" To answer a couple of questions I dont know why he asked them? In 1947 the molesting srarted,OK,in 1949 the painful thrusting started,OK I then believed it must be something God god allowed them to do. Then in those days only street names were used,to brand this crimnal filth RIGHT? Then one gets older 1955 was the last year of one,1967 the other."SO"?You try and disect this serious matter? Have a serious talk,Re SHIFTY COVER UP Barry to Det Leigh Lambert,or others at WArrigal Police,to the police they see the fear the victims of this unbiblical sects suffer because of mind control,over both victims and families. Pray about this with some from your friends to help you "listen" to Leigh or other involved in the Barry case
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Post by magpie on Nov 3, 2014 1:06:21 GMT -5
"SORRY", not 1967---It should read from 1957. second molester was avoided.Although it does not wipe away the guilt,fear and uncleaness.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 3, 2014 1:34:14 GMT -5
Aww Mags it must have been ferral for you. You cant be far from me.
How can we truly understand if it didnt happen to us.
I had groping inappropriate touching.
Ive come to the conclusion that they know how to pick their victims.
They know by instinct how to control and the words to say.
I went to a church womens camp once.
A lady got up (30s) told how her father had molested her aged 8 or 9 and continued until she reached puberty. She caught him perving through the keyhole at her younger sister and suspected he was doing it to her as well.
Her father always said 'if you tell I will kill your mother.'
The sister was too afraid to admit it then.
When the woman was 18 her boyfriend encouraged her to go to the police.she did.
Mother was in denial. It went to court. Parents split up. Yrs later father remarried had a stepdaughter he molested then he started on the granddaughter.
The woman became friends now lost touch but the reason she spoke at the camp was to help others. She helped a lot of young women with this problem.
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Post by magpie on Nov 4, 2014 16:15:10 GMT -5
Thanks Bubbles.. These 7 pages have become a lot of 2x2 avoid the real issue,and the alert of one particular person
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 8, 2014 2:14:48 GMT -5
Enough said, when you read the list !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 8:23:01 GMT -5
Ross, am I correct in thinking that William "willie" Donaldson died in the West Indies on that 1985 trip?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 17:06:15 GMT -5
Ross, am I correct in thinking that William "willie" Donaldson died in the West Indies on that 1985 trip? Partaker - Willie is shown on the 1986 list as being in West Indies. From memory, I think he died there - perhaps during 1986? Others might be able to confirm that more closely. When I came to Sydney in the early 1980's after finishing school I stayed with folk who used to refer to Willie D as the Head Worker of Australia. I didn't hear that widely used and don't know whether or not it was because some wanted a Head Worker of Australia. I don't know that he would have ever had much jurisdiction over NSW. From what I recall he was highly respected, a good preacher and obviously a "mender" (of the divisions in Vic after Jack Carroll). Folk from Victoria/Tasmania would know more about him and could comment. Thanks Ross, yes I remember him well as a lad growing up he was well loved and respected, his companion was a Mr. Ricks, I don't remember his Christian name, but I believe that he also died and was buried in The West Indies. During that time I had already moved to the UK. I recall that one of Willie Donaldson's favorite hymns was: "Have thine own way Lorde' have thine own way." |
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Post by whyisitso on Nov 9, 2014 22:40:04 GMT -5
The attached Australian Workers List from 1985 might interest some. The good, the bad & the ugly.... What a list! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 8:05:31 GMT -5
Reading here has caused me to think of the words of Hymn 397: Only Remembered.
The chorus of which goes like this: Only remembered, only remembered, only remembered by what we have done; Thus we would pass from the earth and its toiling, Only remembered by what we have done.
If we do good things, then good will attend and follow us, and we will be remembered for that, and will be rewarded for it by our heavenly Father. If we do wrong it might/ will follow us, and we will be remembered for it, if we do not show remorse and seek genuine forgiveness here on earth as well as in Heaven.
We must expect to suffer the consequences of wrong doing. However some are fortunate enough to get away lightly with it here on earth; but, the final judgement is yet to come. This knowledge unfortunately and understandably so, does not always bring relief to victims, as justice must be done and must be seen to be done. Some experiences are not easy to forgive and to forget, and a betrayal of trust ranks highly in this arena. It is not fair or wise to ride rough shod insensitively over people's feelings. That just does not work to the satisfaction of everyone involved or affected. Be wise with Heavenly as well as Earthly wisdom.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 14:07:21 GMT -5
jscc1, magpie,colac, whoever you are, please stop naming all of those Workers. Out of that list there are only two who have been convicted. As for the Ladies you have named they were above reproach, some of the nicest,kindest Ladies I have ever met. Don't use a broad brush for all. You and I are the same age, these people are well known to me, and I never had a problem. Don't let your mind play tricks on you. A lot of your information is way off track.
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Post by jscc1 on Nov 10, 2014 16:31:58 GMT -5
Beyond reproach? Ask other victims of those named and have doubts on their heads. Perhaps tune into the radio of the 2x2s,gossip and sister station grapevine of sour grapes.
For beyond reproach wernt those exposed publically? Sadly there is redbacks on the toilet seat awaiting to snare victims.
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Post by jscc1 on Nov 10, 2014 16:37:00 GMT -5
Just a query? Single men ,perhaps with personal reasons to remain in a single status are more acceptable in todays society? More so than women?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 17:15:35 GMT -5
jscc1?, all I am saying is try to be accurate, don't make wild statements. Some of the people named in this thread are now dead. They are not able to defend themselves, so we who know them as good and decent people need to do so. Much of the information on this thread has never been tested or verified. This can only happen in a Court of Law, not TMB. The irony of this thread, is that the original warning is about a person our age. Nature has taken its course, we are not a threat to anybody. We don't even dream about it anymore.
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Post by rational on Nov 10, 2014 17:49:12 GMT -5
jscc1?, all I am saying is try to be accurate, don't make wild statements. Some of the people named in this thread are now dead. They are not able to defend themselves, so we who know them as good and decent people need to do so. Much of the information on this thread has never been tested or verified. This can only happen in a Court of Law, not TMB. The irony of this thread, is that the original warning is about a person our age. Nature has taken its course, we are not a threat to anybody. We don't even dream about it anymore. Have you worked with any offenders? Age is not a barrier. There have been offenders well into their 70s. Because of the broadness of the term "child sexual abuse" many (most?) people immediately think of child abuse with some degree of penetration. While this is not uncommon it accounts for much less than 50% of the child sexual abuse cases. |
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Post by whyisitso on Nov 10, 2014 18:10:16 GMT -5
The irony of this thread, is that the original warning is about a person our age. Nature has taken its course, we are not a threat to anybody. We don't even dream about it anymore. I have to second Rational's post. Redback, that's a terribly naive statement! Your physical/mental abilities are not necessarily someone else's. I didn't want to bring Hugh Heffner into this, but.... (That statement is in no way suggesting HH is a CSA offender!) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 18:48:42 GMT -5
Keep things in perspective, don't be carried away with emotion.
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Post by whyisitso on Nov 10, 2014 19:21:15 GMT -5
Keep things in perspective, don't be carried away with emotion. I absolutely think we should only deal with the facts |
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 10, 2014 20:32:18 GMT -5
jscc1, magpie,colac, whoever you are, please stop naming all of those Workers. Out of that list there are only two who have been convicted. As for the Ladies you have named they were above reproach, some of the nicest,kindest Ladies I have ever met. Don't use a broad brush for all. You and I are the same age, these people are well known to me, and I never had a problem. Don't let your mind play tricks on you. A lot of your information is way off track. Redback no one is above reproach ! Just because you think someone is a wonderful person & they have never done anything inappropriate to you does not mean they are above reproach ! You too need to take the emotions out. If Mr Leitch was doing what he should be this person would NOT be sent to Queensland. It is wrong on so many levels ! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 20:47:23 GMT -5
This person went there on their own volition, not sent by anybody. Once again please check your facts.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 11, 2014 0:42:07 GMT -5
This person went there on their own volition, not sent by anybody. Once again please check your facts. Well that makes it even worse ! Mr Leitch is aware of his past therefore he should be letting the Head worker in QLD know & in turn people should be warned not to let him stay in their homes ! |
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Post by jimmy on Nov 11, 2014 7:12:00 GMT -5
This person went there on their own volition, not sent by anybody. Once again please check your facts. Well that makes it even worse ! Mr Leitch is aware of his past therefore he should be letting the Head worker in QLD know & in turn people should be warned not to let him stay in their homes ! Rosyln, I understand that the person on whom this discussion is centred is no longer in the work and, as redback said, was visiting on his own volition. As such, he is no longer answerable to Mr Leitch. He is a private citizen who can go where he wishes, when he wishes. If people wished to see him as a friend then that is their business. If people didn't wish to see him, well that is their right also. In any case he has not been charged or convicted of any crime. He has however been the victim of significant heresy/slander by a number of people on this board. The behaviour of a number of people here has potential to have this board closed down. This board is not the correct place to air suspicions on people. That is likely to do more harm than good. If you know a victim of CSA, please do all you can to encourage them to go to authorities where the path to justice can be trod. I understand too well that the hurt of CSA cannot be healed, but it is in no-ones interest to create further hurt with potential false CSA accusations and innuendo of an individuals moral behaviours. |
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Post by jay on Nov 11, 2014 7:50:44 GMT -5
I 100% agree with jimmy.
This statement is the most decent way of summarizing the way to deal with innuendos and potential false accusations.
This board is NOT the place for slander.
From my experience TOO MANY people assume and twist things from heresay without having any idea of facts.
Act 17:21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)
Act 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
We as God's chosen do not wish to be like this.
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