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Post by whyisitso on Oct 28, 2014 6:20:18 GMT -5
What was his view on it then? When asked if a man that was out on parole for abusing his daughter would be at a QLD convention, his response was we will not stop him also he said "If anyone needs convention it is that man". He then was jailed for the abuse. So he had no problem with allowing a known abuser who has been jailed go to convention..... need I say more ! Nice to know they show such mercy to child molesters but not so much if you marry 'outside'!!!!! Argh!! |
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Post by mdm on Oct 28, 2014 10:47:38 GMT -5
When asked if a man that was out on parole for abusing his daughter would be at a QLD convention, his response was we will not stop him also he said "If anyone needs convention it is that man". He then was jailed for the abuse. So he had no problem with allowing a known abuser who has been jailed go to convention..... need I say more ! Nice to know they show such mercy to child molesters but not so much if you marry 'outside'!!!!! Argh!! It seems that the rules that are enforced can only be applied to the friends - divorce and remarriage, marrying 'outside,' child out of wedlock. Since immorality and sexual abuse (with no outward signs showing!) can be committed even while in the celibate ministry, there are either no rules against them or they are not enforced. What we end up with is emphasis on outward conformity and on keeping the appearance of 'upholding the standard' outwardly. The rules that workers have to go by have nothing to do with sin or spiritual matters - not inquiring or talking about what goes on in other fields, not interfering with decisions of overseers for regular workers, not interfering with decisions of senior workers for lower-ranking workers, for overseers - not interfering with decisions of overseers in other areas. It all has to do with upholding the established hierarchy. If you are immoral or sexual abuser, you are OK. Just don't meddle in (other) overseers' affairs, keep smiling, and you'll be fine. So, last year at convention, we were told that carnal sin is much less serious than the sin of rebelling against authority. You can do anything under the cover of darkness with your body, but don't question authority/hierarchy and especially not in broad daylight. |
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Post by whyisitso on Oct 28, 2014 15:58:28 GMT -5
Nice to know they show such mercy to child molesters but not so much if you marry 'outside'!!!!! Argh!! It seems that the rules that are enforced can only be applied to the friends - divorce and remarriage, marrying 'outside,' child out of wedlock. Since immorality and sexual abuse (with no outward signs showing!) can be committed even while in the celibate ministry, there are either no rules against them or they are not enforced. What we end up with is emphasis on outward conformity and on keeping the appearance of 'upholding the standard' outwardly. The rules that workers have to go by have nothing to do with sin or spiritual matters - not inquiring or talking about what goes on in other fields, not interfering with decisions of overseers for regular workers, not interfering with decisions of senior workers for lower-ranking workers, for overseers - not interfering with decisions of overseers in other areas. It all has to do with upholding the established hierarchy. If you are immoral or sexual abuser, you are OK. Just don't meddle in (other) overseers' affairs, keep smiling, and you'll be fine. So, last year at convention, we were told that carnal sin is much less serious than the sin of rebelling against authority. You can do anything under the cover of darkness with your body, but don't question authority/hierarchy and especially not in broad daylight. They call it the 'truth' but there's not much honest about it! It teaches you to be a good liar though! Back to the OP, does anyone know where this person is now? |
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Post by fixit on Oct 28, 2014 17:17:31 GMT -5
So, last year at convention, we were told that carnal sin is much less serious than the sin of rebelling against authority. You can do anything under the cover of darkness with your body, but don't question authority/hierarchy and especially not in broad daylight. How does this fit with what the Bible teaches? |
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Post by magpie on Oct 28, 2014 20:25:32 GMT -5
We mustnt let GENES excuse anything and everything? According to the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders 4th edition (DSM-1V ) Paedophilia is a MENTAL DISORDER listed under DEVIANT SEXUAL BEHAVIOUR (not genetic.ELDERS AND WORKERS AND RESPONSABLE ADULTS ARE GUILTY IF INSTANT ACTION IS NOT TAKEN UP TO PROTECT VICTIMS E.G, ERNIE BARRY 13 KNOWN VICTIMS,CHANDLER KNOWN YOUNGEST "9"? "SO", 1 Timothy 5,v,19+,(INSTANT ACTION IS BIBLICAL AND PUBLIC)Do not listen to accusations against an elder,unless it is brought by 2x witnesses (law & cultural Middle East that is why 2x2 were sent out)Rebuke PUBLICALLY "all"those who commit sin,so that the rest may be afraid (respect that which is right and just ) . In the presence of God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Angles. I solmnly call upon you to OBEY these instructions without showing any PREJUDICE or "FAVOUR".Be in no hurry to lay your hands on people to dedicate them to service.-----CLEAR? ==== THOROUGH CHECK BEFORE ALLOWING ONE INTO MINISTRY,ELDER,DEACON,PASTORAL RESPONSABILITY,ETC? Medical research? Biblical?Dont run the risk of an unbiblical demanded celibate ministry sending those living this unatural rhelm into the homes of little ones and young teens.
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Post by fixit on Oct 28, 2014 21:26:37 GMT -5
We mustnt let GENES excuse anything and everything? According to the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders 4th edition (DSM-1V ) Paedophilia is a MENTAL DISORDER listed under DEVIANT SEXUAL BEHAVIOUR (not genetic.ELDERS AND WORKERS AND RESPONSABLE ADULTS ARE GUILTY IF INSTANT ACTION IS NOT TAKEN UP TO PROTECT VICTIMS E.G, ERNIE BARRY 13 KNOWN VICTIMS,CHANDLER KNOWN YOUNGEST "9"? "SO", 1 Timothy 5,v,19+,(INSTANT ACTION IS BIBLICAL AND PUBLIC)Do not listen to accusations against an elder,unless it is brought by 2x witnesses (law & cultural Middle East that is why 2x2 were sent out)Rebuke PUBLICALLY "all"those who commit sin,so that the rest may be afraid (respect that which is right and just ) . In the presence of God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Angles. I solmnly call upon you to OBEY these instructions without showing any PREJUDICE or "FAVOUR".Be in no hurry to lay your hands on people to dedicate them to service.-----CLEAR? ==== THOROUGH CHECK BEFORE ALLOWING ONE INTO MINISTRY,ELDER,DEACON,PASTORAL RESPONSABILITY,ETC? Medical research? Biblical?Dont run the risk of an unbiblical demanded celibate ministry sending those living this unatural rhelm into the homes of little ones and young teens. I wonder who knew at the time CC started in the work that he had sexually abused children as young as nine? It's hard to believe that the ministry was guided by the Spirit when it decided he was safe to live in children's homes as an esteemed leader of the church. Surely it can't be that difficult for church leadership to recognise something is wrong, and changes need to be made? |
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Post by rational on Oct 29, 2014 7:52:13 GMT -5
It might be good to point out that the majority of offenders are not pedophiles. If you are going to reference DSM-IV at least look at the description. If all of the pedophiles were eliminated there would still be dangerous offenders at large. To imply that a celibate ministry is somehow the cause of CSA is a red herring and leads people down the wrong road in seeking to correct the problem. We mustnt let GENES excuse anything and everything? According to the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders 4th edition (DSM-1V ) Paedophilia is a MENTAL DISORDER listed under DEVIANT SEXUAL BEHAVIOUR (not genetic.ELDERS AND WORKERS AND RESPONSABLE ADULTS ARE GUILTY IF INSTANT ACTION IS NOT TAKEN UP TO PROTECT VICTIMS E.G, ERNIE BARRY 13 KNOWN VICTIMS,CHANDLER KNOWN YOUNGEST "9"? "SO", 1 Timothy 5,v,19+,(INSTANT ACTION IS BIBLICAL AND PUBLIC)Do not listen to accusations against an elder,unless it is brought by 2x witnesses (law & cultural Middle East that is why 2x2 were sent out)Rebuke PUBLICALLY "all"those who commit sin,so that the rest may be afraid (respect that which is right and just ) . In the presence of God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Angles. I solmnly call upon you to OBEY these instructions without showing any PREJUDICE or "FAVOUR".Be in no hurry to lay your hands on people to dedicate them to service.-----CLEAR? ==== THOROUGH CHECK BEFORE ALLOWING ONE INTO MINISTRY,ELDER,DEACON,PASTORAL RESPONSABILITY,ETC? Medical research? Biblical?Dont run the risk of an unbiblical demanded celibate ministry sending those living this unatural rhelm into the homes of little ones and young teens. |
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Post by magpie on Oct 29, 2014 19:59:05 GMT -5
TO RATIONAL AND MANY OTHERS. PLEASE STUDY PAEDOPHILIA!!!!WHO IS A PAEDOPHILE (PEDOPHILE)!!!! Dont try and and hunt around to lesten its serious implications. Most Paedophiles are hetrosexual males,some female. To a much lesser extent a "GAY"homosexual male/female. It is a mental disorder of the deviant type.DANGEROUS!!!So please study several well investigated summaries.Protect our kids at ALL costs!!! Dear Fixit, CC belonged to a Royal Family of the sect,sadly so dedicated to Workers,and fully in the bondage of judgemental exclusivism,they 2x2s would have thought that CC was a pot of gold. We are waiting for the one they sent off shore (Sth America),to return and answer some very serious questions also.
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Post by rational on Oct 29, 2014 20:37:17 GMT -5
TO RATIONAL AND MANY OTHERS. PLEASE STUDY PAEDOPHILIA!!!!WHO IS A PAEDOPHILE (PEDOPHILE)!!!! Dont try and and hunt around to lesten its serious implications. Most Paedophiles are hetrosexual males,some female. To a much lesser extent a "GAY"homosexual male/female. It is a mental disorder of the deviant type.DANGEROUS!!!So please study several well investigated summaries.Protect our kids at ALL costs!!! Dear Fixit, CC belonged to a Royal Family of the sect,sadly so dedicated to Workers,and fully in the bondage of judgemental exclusivism,they 2x2s would have thought that CC was a pot of gold. We are waiting for the one they sent off shore (Sth America),to return and answer some very serious questions also. You can stamp your feet and jump up and down but the fact remains that not all child molesters are pedophiles. If you wish to actually classify pedophilia as a mental disease then the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) would best be used to provide the definition. Perhaps a little study regarding the terms hebephilia or ephebophilia would allow for a more accurate classification of the offenders. The treatment varies for the different kinds of offenders. Or the use of paraphilia as an umbrella term. Care needs to be taken to avoid the moral panic that can form around emotionally charged cases involving sexual child abuse. |
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Post by fixit on Oct 29, 2014 20:58:13 GMT -5
TO RATIONAL AND MANY OTHERS. PLEASE STUDY PAEDOPHILIA!!!!WHO IS A PAEDOPHILE (PEDOPHILE)!!!! Dont try and and hunt around to lesten its serious implications. Most Paedophiles are hetrosexual males,some female. To a much lesser extent a "GAY"homosexual male/female. It is a mental disorder of the deviant type.DANGEROUS!!!So please study several well investigated summaries.Protect our kids at ALL costs!!! Dear Fixit, CC belonged to a Royal Family of the sect,sadly so dedicated to Workers,and fully in the bondage of judgemental exclusivism,they 2x2s would have thought that CC was a pot of gold. We are waiting for the one they sent off shore (Sth America),to return and answer some very serious questions also. You can stamp your feet and jump up and down but the fact remains that not all child molesters are pedophiles. If you wish to actually classify pedophilia as a mental disease then the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) would best be used to provide the definition. Perhaps a little study regarding the terms hebephilia or ephebophilia would allow for a more accurate classification of the offenders. The treatment varies for the different kinds of offenders. Or the use of paraphilia as an umbrella term. Care needs to be taken to avoid the moral panic that can form around emotionally charged cases involving sexual child abuse. It's disingenuous to use the term 'emotionally charged' in connection with child sexual abuse. Especially when addressing a victim as is the case with Magpie. Even criminals get emotionally charged over this despicable crime when a child abuser is imprisoned with them. |
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Post by magpie on Oct 29, 2014 21:10:11 GMT -5
Rational,Yes so many cases we see,incestuous @#$%^ family members,and these young kids cowering in the streets to try and escape,as especially christian outreach groups are finding these little ones and early teens,abused by animal lust and cruelty. But,forget umberella terms,reality is as with other ministries and sects who unbiblically DEMAND celibicy ,they appear so much an attraction to those struggling with sexual issues,sexual mental disorders and fears.The minute any of these people feel they are failing to the sects demand they instantly must seek help or withdraw their services. As many know, decades ago I was victim of two 2x2 preachers (one still alive)and to hear them as I grew up expounding that they were the only way to heaven? No wonder children committed suicide to avoid a convention. What child would want to go to heaven full of criminal Paedophiles?? I sure didn't. Paedophilia cannot be cured it is an affliction,it can be controled in many cases by medications and strong Pastoral councelling.
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Post by rational on Oct 29, 2014 21:35:13 GMT -5
Care needs to be taken to avoid the moral panic that can form around emotionally charged cases involving sexual child abuse. It's disingenuous to use the term 'emotionally charged' in connection with child sexual abuse. Really? Even when warning of the possibility of moral panic distorting the reality of child abuse? In attempting to solve a criminal problem, having the facts not wrapped up in people's emotions makes it easier to develop a working solution. I don't know who magpie is nor any of the associated history. I was responding to the post and not the person. And that is the excuse you are going with? Criminals do it so we should not bother to look at the various cases/situations in an objective manner? |
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Post by rational on Oct 29, 2014 21:59:03 GMT -5
Rational,Yes so many cases we see,incestuous @#$%^ family members,and these young kids cowering in the streets to try and escape,as especially christian outreach groups are finding these little ones and early teens,abused by animal lust and cruelty. While there are some christian outreach groups there are also many secular organizations that also reach out to the abused.Can you provide any support for your implication that celibacy contributes to the rate of sexual abuse? Do you feel that there is less CSA among the non-celibate?I think that as soon as they feel they are unable to control their desire to harm children that they need to seek help and take whatever measures to prevent harm to anyone. But depending on the offender/criminal to monitor themselves is not effective. Others need to be educated in the best way to deal with offenders/criminals.This involves your beliefs.This is an example of the moral panic I was mentioning. From what I have read there is nothing that leads to this conclusion.What person would believe that the offenders/criminals would end up in heaven?But again, most child molesters are not pedophiles. And there has been success in rehabilitating those charged with other paraphilias. Considering all child molesters as pedophiles and then classifying them as incurable is simply wrong. The result of moral panic surrounding child sexual abuse. Placing a 25 year old charge with child sexual abuse on a sex registry list because he was caught having sex with a 17 year old simply does not make sense. |
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Post by magpie on Oct 30, 2014 0:25:46 GMT -5
Rational,Two of three suicides in our State were little children avoiding convention,WHY?.The other docummented as victim of THREE workers WHY not send out warnings? I know I could not picture it as a gateway to heaven--that is enough for people to PANIC. As a child when people say a sick pedophile is Godly and one said said holds the keys to heaven,what if you were a child crimnally abused by that slimey suave worker,you would be hoping he looses the key.The simple believing faith and visions of a heaven tainted by several workers,in our State alone, hiding under a deceptful facade. Your statement saying, "this involves your belief". My belief and faith grew from the moment I was liberated from the judgemental bondage of exclusivism, by good pastoral care and loving Godly neighbours.
You dont read to well I notice. I did not bunch all child abuse as paedophilia,did I?,but the diagnosed mental disordered paedophile,in their own category,are carrying a life inflicted incurable burden. Controlable but not always successful,medication/counselling have had some effect. As for the christian groups putting many in danger to help CSA victims,violently abused,homeless,poor,confused,drug effected,sick,alcholics,etc,are who I see and get feedback from. Of course we work so parallel to many "secular",ecumenical and Gov't groups,for you to throw this in you appear to avoid the greater christian involvements in justice and welfare (as New Testament teachings),so you appear still bound in that 2x2 thinking of present or recent past. Stop kicking against the pricks (although I can think of a few who a kick or two is required,in rightous anger of course ) "This post was set up as a warning"---all the psuedo evaluations are getting off a very serious subject a worldwide problem amongst another ministry of unbiblical, DEMANDING to be celibates.
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Post by magpie on Oct 30, 2014 3:46:21 GMT -5
GO BACK TO PAGE ONE. 1st (entry) ARTICLE. IT IS A "WARNING". BUT TYPICAL 2x2s DIVERSIONS,arguements AND CONFUSIONS FOLLOW. IF YOU CARE FOR YOUR CHILDREN IGNORE THE FOLLOWUPS AND ACCEPT A "WARNING" GIVEN IN GOOD FAITH TO HELP YOU TO BE "AWARE". Please as one of so "many" ex victims "we" never want to see another child go through years of mental trauma caused by so many Workers throughout the world.Hope you all by now are aware of the dangers that lurk under some very charming deviant tricksters parading as messangers of God.
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Post by rational on Oct 30, 2014 8:05:00 GMT -5
Rational,Two of three suicides in our State were little children avoiding convention,WHY?. No, the claim has been made, with little to support it, that the suicides were to avoid convention. And, assuming it was an attempt to strike out against their parents and the religion in which they believed, is there any evidence to suggest that they feared being molested at the convention or is it all conjecture? Perhaps you have additional proof which has not been made public.I don't know why a warning was not sent out. I don't know why the victims or the parents of victims did not report the abuse. This is the problem when a person's beliefs collide with reality and it does not make sense. Some believe it leads to cognitive dissonance. Many people can work up an ad hoc hypotheses protect their cherished notions from the harsh light of reality.I am not trying to gloss over the conditions that happened and I am not aware of the situation or the family style in which it did happen. Parents are supposed to protect their children. That is pretty much job number one. Sometimes they fail. The belief is that some are called by god to minister to their followers. I am guessing that was not what these individuals were doing.It sounds like this was the result of a crisis of faith brought about by a number of factors, the main one being how CSA is handled in the F&W organization. Australian is my second language! No you did not say that all child molesters were pedophiles but then, neither did you refer to them as anything other than pedophiles either. Some of us who have worked with victims of abuse see a somewhat different outcome.Being an atheist, I do see the value in religious groups that share the beliefs of the victims reaching out to them and trying to come to a conclusion regarding the offender and how the victim can come to terms during this crisis of faith. I also believe that there is a criminal aspect to abuse that needs to be addressed completely separate from the spiritual side.This would seem to imply that you believe that being celibate increases the likelihood that a person will abuse children. Or, I suppose, commit sexual assault. These beliefs fall into the same category as the belief that going out into the cold will cause a cold, you know nasopharyngitis or rhinopharyngitis. Many people believe that CSA is rampant in the Catholic church. Or in the F&W organization. But the estimates for the Catholic church is that somewhere between 2-4% of priests are guilty of abuse. And in the general population the estimate is thought to be 4-5%. From those numbers one could arrive at the conclusion that being in a forced celibate situation actually lowers the rate of CSA. Personally, I don't think it makes much difference. What is the largest group of child abusers - married men. While you might not believe that preachers need to be celibate your argument that it exacerbates the CSA problem does not ring true. |
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Post by rational on Oct 30, 2014 8:14:07 GMT -5
GO BACK TO PAGE ONE. 1st (entry) ARTICLE. IT IS A "WARNING". BUT TYPICAL 2x2s DIVERSIONS,arguements AND CONFUSIONS FOLLOW. IF YOU CARE FOR YOUR CHILDREN IGNORE THE FOLLOWUPS AND ACCEPT A "WARNING" GIVEN IN GOOD FAITH TO HELP YOU TO BE "AWARE". Please as one of so "many" ex victims "we" never want to see another child go through years of mental trauma caused by so many Workers throughout the world.Hope you all by now are aware of the dangers that lurk under some very charming deviant tricksters parading as messangers of God. Yes it was a warning. Allegations of sexual misconduct. But wouldn't it be a more productive path to formulate ways to deal with the offenders so they are not in a position to abuse children? Warning against a known offender is a good start but is there a warning that parents need to educate and protect their children from the people who have not yet been identified as offenders? And if this potential offender is to be publicly pointed out does s/he not have the right to confront those accusing him/her? The allegation of child abuse does not mean that the accused is guilty. But, as I have said in the past, there might be information which has not been made public that paints a different picture. |
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Post by magpie on Oct 31, 2014 6:28:32 GMT -5
WHEN YOU GO BACK TO ITEM ONE ON PAGE ONE "THE WARNING", GO AND CLICK ONTO THE "WINGSFORTRUTH"site,IN THAT WARNING ARTICLE,THEN GO DOWN THE WINGS PAGE TO THE "AGE NEWSPAPER" ARTICLES. CHRIS JOHNSTON IS A GREAT JOURNO WHO STUDIES HIS SUBJECTS VERY WELL. ALSO THE PHANTOM WORKER RETURNING TO QLD SOON, HAS A HORRIBLE REPUTATION AS HIS RECENTLY DECEASED BROTHER A VERY SENIOR PLACED WORKER ALSO HAD/& HAS DIED WITH.SO IF QLD's BISHOPS ALLOWS THAT PERSON WHO ORIGINALLY WENT TO QLD TO AVOID THE MUSIC THAT WAS PLAYING ON THE 2x2s GOSSIP TREE,RESPONSABLE ADULTS AND FAMILIES PLEASE REFUSE HIM BACK INTO YOUR GROUP. PLEASE GO AS SCRIPTURE HAS INSTRUCTED "2" OR MORE OF YOU,OR YOUR COMPLAINT WILL BE TWISTED AROUND,AS USUAL,THAT YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL IS A BIT OF A TROUBLE MAKER.
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Post by magpie on Oct 31, 2014 6:44:29 GMT -5
Good old rational. The person,heading to Qld, is "KNOWN" talked about for decades, as his recently deceased brother also.We as teens & young adults1950's60's,would yap about who scared us,who we knew was a molester,brother/sister workers,we used unprintable words to discribed each as we talked openly amongst us of our sickening experiences. Talk to adults or another worker,what a joke,we were the trouble makers,our pain and traumas meant nothing,we accuse a God's own true servant how could we even think such things,"WE WERE THE PROBLEM" even we must have encouraged them. What about the one that spoke to a Senior Member of police in a Regional City? He realised he had made a grave mistake as this great pillar of the "TRUTH?"was starting to fancy him.That Snr Cop was later disgraced,as recently his nephew a worker that has been charged and on a Gov't child abusers list.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 8:06:38 GMT -5
magpie, don't let old rat get to you. His only job on here is to irritate everyone!
Rat, nice to see you are doing so well.
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Post by magpie on Oct 31, 2014 16:55:16 GMT -5
MARIE,I hope all will go back to the index and pead your post,"POWER OF THE WEALTHY".God Bless
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Post by magpie on Oct 31, 2014 18:08:16 GMT -5
You know something MARIE? Every entry here on Wings,Worker Friends And Ex and many other titled boards are looked at,at the Royal Commission by researchers,on a regular basis. Wonder what they think of Ol'RATIONALE',and many others trying to water down the ingrained paedophile problem amongst 2x2s and the fact known (as last Speed convention)workers of doubt and facts, going back to areas of vulnerability for CSA to happen. "His eye is on the Sparrow",yet they think God doesnt want to see them brought to justice for hurting even destroying little children and teens lives. Like David Leitch allowing an expensive appeal by Ernie Barry,to avoid it being known that the Warrigal Police had a list of 12 further victims,does Barry have a hold over Leitch,appears so,or is Leitch just stupid?
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Post by rational on Oct 31, 2014 22:18:56 GMT -5
WHEN YOU GO BACK TO ITEM ONE ON PAGE ONE "THE WARNING", GO AND CLICK ONTO THE "WINGSFORTRUTH"site,IN THAT WARNING ARTICLE,THEN GO DOWN THE WINGS PAGE TO THE "AGE NEWSPAPER" ARTICLES. CHRIS JOHNSTON IS A GREAT JOURNO WHO STUDIES HIS SUBJECTS VERY WELL. ALSO THE PHANTOM WORKER RETURNING TO QLD SOON, HAS A HORRIBLE REPUTATION AS HIS RECENTLY DECEASED BROTHER A VERY SENIOR PLACED WORKER ALSO HAD/& HAS DIED WITH.SO IF QLD's BISHOPS ALLOWS THAT PERSON WHO ORIGINALLY WENT TO QLD TO AVOID THE MUSIC THAT WAS PLAYING ON THE 2x2s GOSSIP TREE,RESPONSABLE ADULTS AND FAMILIES PLEASE REFUSE HIM BACK INTO YOUR GROUP. PLEASE GO AS SCRIPTURE HAS INSTRUCTED "2" OR MORE OF YOU,OR YOUR COMPLAINT WILL BE TWISTED AROUND,AS USUAL,THAT YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL IS A BIT OF A TROUBLE MAKER. And when I read the article there is still nothing to say that attending convention was feared because of child abuse. In the article it claimed: "We committed suicide because all our life we were made to go to meetings. They try to brainwash us so much and have ruined our lives."No mention of convention. But I can see how it might be framed that way by anyone wanting to make a point. There was also no mention of child abuse. But again, sometimes when the only tool you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail. The note sounds like teen angst and adolescents striking out against their parents. Not unheard of regarding teen suicides. |
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Post by rational on Oct 31, 2014 22:32:57 GMT -5
Good old rational. The person,heading to Qld, is "KNOWN" talked about for decades, as his recently deceased brother also.We as teens & young adults1950's60's,would yap about who scared us,who we knew was a molester,brother/sister workers,we used unprintable words to discribed each as we talked openly amongst us of our sickening experiences. Talk to adults or another worker,what a joke,we were the trouble makers,our pain and traumas meant nothing,we accuse a God's own true servant how could we even think such things,"WE WERE THE PROBLEM" even we must have encouraged them. What about the one that spoke to a Senior Member of police in a Regional City? He realised he had made a grave mistake as this great pillar of the "TRUTH?"was starting to fancy him.That Snr Cop was later disgraced,as recently his nephew a worker that has been charged and on a Gov't child abusers list. No one is saying that there are not child abusers in the F&W organization. And I don't think anyone is saying that in the past they were hidden and moved to keep the crimes quiet. It was wrong. And the reason for this then is the same as it is today - the parents/guardians of the victims, or the victims themselves were unwilling, to report the crime to the authorities. Perhaps it is time to educate people that yapping about who is and who is not a child molester is not the way to solve the problem. The correct steps have been taken. Educating people to first report crimes to the authorities is a start. |
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Post by fixit on Oct 31, 2014 22:37:24 GMT -5
But again, most child molesters are not pedophiles. And there has been success in rehabilitating those charged with other paraphilias. Considering all child molesters as pedophiles and then classifying them as incurable is simply wrong. The result of moral panic surrounding child sexual abuse. Placing a 25 year old charge with child sexual abuse on a sex registry list because he was caught having sex with a 17 year old simply does not make sense. Interestingly the press labelled Rolf Harris as a paedophile: www.express.co.uk/news/uk/529875/Rolf-Harris-loses-first-round-of-appeal |
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Post by rational on Oct 31, 2014 22:45:31 GMT -5
You know something MARIE? Every entry here on Wings,Worker Friends And Ex and many other titled boards are looked at,at the Royal Commission by researchers,on a regular basis. Wonder what they think of Ol'RATIONALE',and many others trying to water down the ingrained paedophile problem amongst 2x2s and the fact known (as last Speed convention)workers of doubt and facts, going back to areas of vulnerability for CSA to happen. I don't know the answer to that question. You would have to ask the Royal Commission. But do you really think stating every worker and elder who has been accused of child abuse is a pedophile, regardless of the fact that it is not true, is helping the situation? Does an emptional outburst containing a mixture of rumor, gossip, along with potential facts is helping to find a solution?Do you know what your god wants? An all powerful god can do whatever s/he wants. Do date that is nothing.What would have made the case would be for the victims to have come forward. But we all know there are many reasons why that didn't happen. At some point the past has to be put aside and the focus shifted to the present and looking toward the future. If people really want to prevent child abuse then they need to take the responsibility of reporting crimes to the authorities. |
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Post by rational on Oct 31, 2014 22:55:57 GMT -5
But again, most child molesters are not pedophiles. And there has been success in rehabilitating those charged with other paraphilias. Considering all child molesters as pedophiles and then classifying them as incurable is simply wrong. The result of moral panic surrounding child sexual abuse. Placing a 25 year old charge with child sexual abuse on a sex registry list because he was caught having sex with a 17 year old simply does not make sense. Interestingly the press labelled Rolf Harris as a paedophile: www.express.co.uk/news/uk/529875/Rolf-Harris-loses-first-round-of-appealAnd you feel that the press got the diagnosis correct? Any backing for that belief by someone who actually is qualified? The statement: During his trial at Southwark Crown Court, the jury heard how the artist and musician abused one of his daughter's friends for 16 years - leaving his victim feeling "haunted".should bring a little doubt regarding the press labeling Harris as a pedophile. Pedophile, like cult or satanic worship, is a good word to sell newspapers whether it is true or not. |
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Post by rational on Oct 31, 2014 23:00:17 GMT -5
magpie, don't let old rat get to you. His only job on here is to irritate everyone! Rat, nice to see you are doing so well. I try. Of course, if I am posting things that are false I certainly hope that people will let me know by pointing out anything they think is not correct. I have been known to be wrong. Once I thought I had made a mistake - I was wrong! |
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