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Post by faune on Mar 30, 2014 16:30:37 GMT -5
Today I read an article which really caused me pause and consider what the Bible really teaches concerning Hell and how it got incorporated in Christian teachings during the formation of Christianity and the Church. I mean no offense in sharing this article which might challenge your long held beliefs along these lines. However, it makes a valid point worth considering in light of the differences between the Old Testament and the New Testament regarding the teachings on Hell. Have you never wondered how this concept of Hell came into being when it didn't even exist before Jesus and the early Church? Any comments to the contents of this article would be appreciated, as I feel it's a worthy subject to explore within Christianity where we are left hanging for real answers.
30ce.com/developmentofhell.htm (The Church's Development of the Hell Myth)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 16:33:38 GMT -5
here are refences to hell in the OT
Deu_32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. 2Sa_22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me; Job_11:8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know? Job_26:6 Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering. Psa_9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Psa_16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Psa_18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me. Psa_55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them. Psa_86:13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell. Psa_116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow. Psa_139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Pro_5:5 Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell. Pro_7:27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death. Pro_9:18 But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell. Pro_15:11 Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men? Pro_15:24 The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath. Pro_23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Pro_27:20 Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied. Isa_5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. Isa_14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. Isa_14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isa_28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Isa_28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. Isa_57:9 And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase thyself even unto hell. Eze_31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth. Eze_31:17 They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen. Eze_32:21 The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword. Eze_32:27 And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living. Amo_9:2 Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down: Jon_2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. Hab_2:5 Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:
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Post by hangingout on Mar 30, 2014 16:39:31 GMT -5
I've read many of Jesus' parables (am working my way through all) and so far, they all end up describing a fiery end. Whether one thinks of it as Gehenna, the outside-the-camp area where refuse was burned, or sheol, or the more Grecian idea of a shadowy underworld where those in are conscious but barely so (remembering Homer, and Achilles' lament that he couldn't trade all his glory for one moment of sunlight)....in any case, in so many of Jesus' parables, it's clearly about FIRE and it's ultimate destruction.
faune, when I think of people who commit heinous crimes, like serial killers who are necrophiliacs as well...a fiery, total destruction doesn't seem too harsh to me. I think it's reserved for the truly evil. Despite being tossed around so flippantly.
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Post by faune on Mar 30, 2014 16:44:12 GMT -5
I've read many of Jesus' parables (am working my way through all) and so far, they all end up describing a fiery end. Whether one thinks of it as Gehenna, the outside-the-camp area where refuse was burned, or sheol, or the more Grecian idea of a shadowy underworld where those in are conscious but barely so (remembering Homer, and Achilles' lament that he couldn't trade all his glory for one moment of sunlight)....in any case, in so many of Jesus' parables, it's clearly about FIRE and it's ultimate destruction. faune, when I think of people who commit heinous crimes, like serial killers who are necrophiliacs as well...a fiery, total destruction doesn't seem too harsh to me. I think it's reserved for the truly evil. Despite being tossed around so flippantly. Hangingout ~ I don't disagree with you regarding the truly evil people who have inhabited this planet ~ like Hitler and many who would resemble him down through the ages. However, the question remains as to whether these people simply die as the Old Testament taught or they are destroyed with a furnace of fire, or just continue to exist in the after-life in a torturous state for all eternity? Even for the very wicked, this would seem a horrible punishment to endure in their resurrected bodies for Judgment and condemnation?
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Post by faune on Mar 30, 2014 16:48:31 GMT -5
here are refences to hell in the OT Deu_32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. 2Sa_22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me; Job_11:8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know? Job_26:6 Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering. Psa_9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Psa_16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Psa_18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me. Psa_55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them. Psa_86:13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell. Psa_116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow. Psa_139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Pro_5:5 Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell. Pro_7:27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death. Pro_9:18 But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell. Pro_15:11 Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men? Pro_15:24 The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath. Pro_23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Pro_27:20 Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied. Isa_5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. Isa_14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. Isa_14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isa_28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Isa_28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. Isa_57:9 And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase thyself even unto hell. Eze_31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth. Eze_31:17 They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen. Eze_32:21 The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword. Eze_32:27 And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living. Amo_9:2 Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down: Jon_2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. Hab_2:5 Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people: Wally ~ Thank you for that long list of references to "hell" in the Old Testament. However, the point I wished to bring out was that "Hell" or "Hades" as found within the Old Testament was a reference to "the grave" and not eternal punishment. This concept actually came into being with the formation of the early Christian Church as teachings were adopted over the centuries to constitute sacred beliefs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 16:49:58 GMT -5
sometimes evil truly deserves the worst...
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Post by hangingout on Mar 30, 2014 16:54:03 GMT -5
"Even for the very wicked, this would seem a horrible punishment to endure in their resurrected bodies for Judgment and condemnation? " -quote I think if someone is sooo wicked as to deserve that........I'm really not concerned with how it feels to them.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 30, 2014 17:39:12 GMT -5
I've read many of Jesus' parables (am working my way through all) and so far, they all end up describing a fiery end. Whether one thinks of it as Gehenna, the outside-the-camp area where refuse was burned, or sheol, or the more Grecian idea of a shadowy underworld where those in are conscious but barely so (remembering Homer, and Achilles' lament that he couldn't trade all his glory for one moment of sunlight)....in any case, in so many of Jesus' parables, it's clearly about FIRE and it's ultimate destruction. faune, when I think of people who commit heinous crimes, like serial killers who are necrophiliacs as well...a fiery, total destruction doesn't seem too harsh to me. I think it's reserved for the truly evil. Despite being tossed around so flippantly. A fiery total destruction does not sound to me like eternal torment. There is no destruction in hell, only torture. The bloodthirsty always prefer torture.
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Post by hangingout on Mar 30, 2014 17:42:52 GMT -5
I've read many of Jesus' parables (am working my way through all) and so far, they all end up describing a fiery end. Whether one thinks of it as Gehenna, the outside-the-camp area where refuse was burned, or sheol, or the more Grecian idea of a shadowy underworld where those in are conscious but barely so (remembering Homer, and Achilles' lament that he couldn't trade all his glory for one moment of sunlight)....in any case, in so many of Jesus' parables, it's clearly about FIRE and it's ultimate destruction. faune, when I think of people who commit heinous crimes, like serial killers who are necrophiliacs as well...a fiery, total destruction doesn't seem too harsh to me. I think it's reserved for the truly evil. Despite being tossed around so flippantly. A fiery total destruction does not sound to me like eternal torment. There is no destruction in hell, only torture. The bloodthirsty always prefer torture. Total destruction doesn't sound like endless torment to me, either. As far as "there is no destruction in hell, only torture," I can't agree here.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 30, 2014 17:48:08 GMT -5
A fiery total destruction does not sound to me like eternal torment. There is no destruction in hell, only torture. The bloodthirsty always prefer torture. Total destruction doesn't sound like endless torment to me, either. As far as "there is no destruction in hell, only torture," I can't agree here. You're like my sister in law. I hit a rat on the head with a shovel and killed it. Then she yelled, "Kill it again." To what avail -- it's dead and quite beyond any further punishment. So how long does it take to burn someone until there's nothing left of them? Or is that where they get eternal flames for places like the graveyard in Washington?
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Post by hangingout on Mar 30, 2014 17:53:01 GMT -5
Total destruction doesn't sound like endless torment to me, either. As far as "there is no destruction in hell, only torture," I can't agree here. You're like my sister in law. I hit a rat on the head with a shovel and killed it. Then she yelled, "Kill it again." To what avail -- it's dead and quite beyond any further punishment. So how long does it take to burn someone until there's nothing left of them? Or is that where they get eternal flames for places like the graveyard in Washington? How did you get that from "Total destruction doesn't sound like endless torment to me, either." ?? Total destruction is just that. You can rekill a mouse, no. When Jesus talks about "the One who can destroy both body and soul" -- sounds pretty final. Eventually, there is no death, either.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 30, 2014 17:55:10 GMT -5
You're like my sister in law. I hit a rat on the head with a shovel and killed it. Then she yelled, "Kill it again." To what avail -- it's dead and quite beyond any further punishment. So how long does it take to burn someone until there's nothing left of them? Or is that where they get eternal flames for places like the graveyard in Washington? How did you get that from "Total destruction doesn't sound like endless torment to me, either." ?? Total destruction is just that. You can rekill a mouse, no. When Jesus talks about "the One who can destroy both body and soul" -- sounds pretty final. Eventually, there is no death, either. So once you're destroyed in hell then there's no more torture? No, you can't rekill a mouse. All you can do it hit it over the head.
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Post by hangingout on Mar 30, 2014 18:11:34 GMT -5
How did you get that from "Total destruction doesn't sound like endless torment to me, either." ?? Total destruction is just that. You can rekill a mouse, no. When Jesus talks about "the One who can destroy both body and soul" -- sounds pretty final. Eventually, there is no death, either. So once you're destroyed in hell then there's no more torture? No, you can't rekill a mouse. All you can do it hit it over the head. Oh, that was a typo! I meant to write, "you can't rekill a mouse, no." "So once you're destroyed in hell then there's no more torture?" I think not. I think you're just over. Zip. Zero. Zilch.
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Post by hangingout on Mar 30, 2014 18:12:07 GMT -5
But I don't know for sure.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 30, 2014 18:16:30 GMT -5
So once you're destroyed in hell then there's no more torture? No, you can't rekill a mouse. All you can do it hit it over the head. Oh, that was a typo! I meant to write, "you can't rekill a mouse, no." "So once you're destroyed in hell then there's no more torture?" I think not. I think you're just over. Zip. Zero. Zilch. That's what I mean. You can't torture someone who is dead zip zero zilch.
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Post by hangingout on Mar 30, 2014 18:27:10 GMT -5
Oh, that was a typo! I meant to write, "you can't rekill a mouse, no." "So once you're destroyed in hell then there's no more torture?" I think not. I think you're just over. Zip. Zero. Zilch. That's what I mean. You can't torture someone who is dead zip zero zilch. Right, you can't. Isaiah 25:8 indicates death itself being removed forever
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 30, 2014 18:37:39 GMT -5
That's what I mean. You can't torture someone who is dead zip zero zilch. Right, you can't. Isaiah 25:8 indicates death itself being removed forever So how about the eternal torture in hell, when they're eventually going to be dead?
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Post by déjà vu on Mar 30, 2014 18:46:50 GMT -5
here is another point of view
Eternal Punishment: Are People Punished in Hell Forever?
ETERNAL PUNISHMENT- Introduction “How can a loving God send people to hell forever and ever?” Is hell really everlasting, or will it eventually “freeze over?”
ETERNAL PUNISHMENT- Annihilationism You’d expect cultists to annihilate the concept of hell, but today, more and more evangelical Christians are buying into this idea of annihilation as well. Rather than believe that unbelievers are going to suffer forever and ever, they claim a just God would never allow infinite suffering for finite sin. But for this argument to be consistent, we would be forced to say that God shouldn’t extend eternal bliss to finite creatures. See this argument is self-defeating because annihilationism teaches that finite wrongdoers will be zapped into unconscious oblivion for an infinite amount of time.
ETERNAL PUNISHMENT- Sins are Minimized Let me also add this, if there were no hell, the atrocity of sins against the very character of God would be minimized. And in light of crimes committed by Nazi war criminals and things like that, the horror of eternal, conscious punishment may not be so inconceivable after all.
ETERNAL PUNISHMENT- Scriptural Support? Annihilationists try to use Scriptures like Malachi 4:1 and Matthew 10:28 to argue for extinction rather than everlasting punishment. But the consummation of evildoers, which is spoken of in these passages, does not at all infer extinction. Rather, it clearly means that evildoers will undergo conscious destruction forever (Mark 9:42-48; Luke 16:19-31; 2 Thes. 1:8,9; Jude 7-13; Rev. 14:9-11).
ETERNAL PUNISHMENT- Conclusion Remember, a text without a context is a pretext. So let’s look at the clear context of Scripture — passages like Matthew 25:41,46 and Rev. 20. Here we see without equivocation that the Bibles states hell is both conscious and never ending. Like the anti-Christ and the false prophet, evildoers will be tormented “forever and ever.” The bottom line is this, since the Bible confirms that hell is forever, we ought to confirm that hell is forever as well.On the annihilation of hell, that’s the CRI Perspective. I’m Hank Hanegraaff.
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Post by hangingout on Mar 30, 2014 18:47:40 GMT -5
Bob Williston, I don't see it as eternal torture; I thought we established that. Maybe you might ask someone who does? I also said I don't know for sure. And I don't. And I know you don't, either. We're postulating. I've gotta make a sandwich. Gee time flies in cyberspace.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 19:06:39 GMT -5
1Co_15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
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Post by Mary on Mar 30, 2014 22:41:43 GMT -5
Love your photo Nathan.
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Post by faune on Mar 30, 2014 22:49:00 GMT -5
Nathan ~ Thanks for your comments! Did you notice, however, that the concept of eternal punishment in an endless place of torment is primarily N.T. teaching? It appears that there's a lot of the Greek influence in the early church, since many of the teachings of Plato and Socrates regarding eternal punishment can be found within Christian teachings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 8:51:23 GMT -5
Hell has two meanings...Gahena which mean grave and Hades which means Hell. Workers and friends usually call it a LOST ETERNITY.
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Post by faune on Mar 31, 2014 13:15:09 GMT -5
Nathan ~ Thanks for your comments! Did you notice, however, that the concept of eternal punishment in an endless place of torment is primarily N.T. teaching? It appears that there's a lot of the Greek influence in the early church, since many of the teachings of Plato and Socrates regarding eternal punishment can be found within Christian teachings. Hell/Gehenna= Eternal punishment was a prepared place for Satan and 1/3 of the fallen angels before the homo sapiens created by God... The false prophets, and his followers will be sent to this place of Torment with the fallen angels. Thanks! Mary. I thought it would be nice to see what I look like after 15 yrs without a face.Nathan ~ I realize this is the interpretation we get from Christian teaching today, however I feel there was a time when this was viewed quite differently and especially during the early days of the Christian faith before the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) had organized and became a powerful presence within this world.
As this article I cited earlier brings out, Jesus and his followers were Jewish and no doubt believed what the O.T. taught regarding Hell or Hades? The eternal fire and torture stuff seems to have been incorporated later after the Church became organized and the Early Church Fathers within the RCC started laying down the foundation of beliefs for the Church. It's also a known fact that most of this teaching comes from the Greek influence during these times and not from Jewish teaching in the past. The reason I started this thread was simply to point out some facts regarding the development of this concept of Hell in the Bible and how it progressed over the centuries due to Church teachings by the Early Church Fathers (ECF). These early church leaders and their teachings were also accepted as being God inspired, too.
So, when the ECF started to organize and construct the Bible from these early canons, it stand to reason that they made some additions and changes to reflect their point of view. This can be verified from the writings of St. Augustine and other ECF's as well as secular historians during this period in history. It was also an acceptable practice in early Church history to make changes they deemed necessary to express their particular views. Perhaps that's just one reason why the Latin Vulgate Bible of the RCC has the most references to Hell compared to other modern day translations where you find considerably less references?
When you think of it, this was way of controlling the masses by putting the fear of Hell into them, if they didn't comply to all the teachings and practices of the RCC? One church father, by the name of Tertullian, had a lot to do with this concept of Hell being incorporated as we know it today during the third century, as found within many of his writings. Tertullian also is also responsible for the teachings on the Trinity, too. However, there were some real disagreements between him and a few other early church fathers on different doctrinal issues, in which the evidence of Greek influence from Aristotle, Plato, and Socrates teachings were evidenced within their writings. Origin is just one who comes to mind, but there were others who also showed Greek influence in their writings.
So, as I hope you can see, these different debates over doctrine within the Church eventually brought forth the Bible we have today. However, there seems to be a need of apologetics to explain all the contradictions and discrepancies that arise between the O.T. and N.T. teachings and even within the gospel stories themselves. However, Hell or Hades is one of the major areas where conflicting views exists between the Old Testament and New Testament teachings.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian
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Post by StAnne on Mar 31, 2014 13:36:40 GMT -5
Jesus and his followers were Jewish and no doubt believed what the O.T. taught regarding Hell or Hades? The eternal fire and torture stuff seems to have been incorporated later Are you stating that Jesus as God (and man) was dependent upon the Scriptures to form what he well knew about hell - and further - what he himself taught concerning hell ? 46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Matthew 25 8If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. Matthew 18
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Post by embers on Mar 31, 2014 13:55:58 GMT -5
The wages of sin is DEATH. "From dust you came, and to dust you shall return." Where was Adam before he was created? He was in the dust. He wasn't alive. This is the punishment for sin, to return to the dust. Also, people are getting confused about ETERNAL PUNISHMENT. Eternal punishMENT isn't the same as eternal punishING. Eternal life in a burning fire isn't death. It's eternal life, no matter how you look at it. As far as the "fire that cannot be quenched..." Jude 1:7 speaks of the fire that cannot be quenched, and equates this fire to the same that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. We know that Sodom is not burning to this day. "Hell" will be the same sort of fire... a fire that will be unquenchable UNTIL it runs out of fuel. The result of the fire will be eternal... the fire will be unquenchable... but it wont burn forever. As far as those who think that Hitler and other evil folks deserve to be tortured forever.... God doesn't agree with you. He's bigger and better than us. He loves, and doesn't punish beyond what is necessary. And, He keeps to His word, which says THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH.
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Post by StAnne on Mar 31, 2014 13:57:36 GMT -5
7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. Jude 1
13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever. Jude 1
11And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name. Revelation 14
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. . . . Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:10,14-15
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Post by faune on Mar 31, 2014 14:05:36 GMT -5
Jesus and his followers were Jewish and no doubt believed what the O.T. taught regarding Hell or Hades? The eternal fire and torture stuff seems to have been incorporated later Are you stating that Jesus as God (and man) was dependent upon the Scriptures to form what he well knew about hell - and further - what he himself taught concerning hell ? 46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Matthew 25 8If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. Matthew 16 StAnne ~ To answer your question above, I would like to present this article below in addition to the one I shared earlier in my opening paragraph, as it seems to cover these Bible references quite well.
30ce.com/developmentofhell.htm
www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2013/01/09/what-did-jesus-teach-about-hell/
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