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Post by Where is Admin or a Moderator on Aug 4, 2012 20:52:16 GMT -5
Perhaps it it true? perhaps not?
I fail to understand the 'justification' offered by guest sauerkraut? Does a post on another forum mean potentially libellous statements can be made on this forum?
May I request an explanation from Admin or one of the Moderators of this forum why unproven and potentially libellous statements are allowed to be posted and have not been removed?
Emy has already asked this question in post #112.
A post from Admin or a Moderator clarifying the matter will be much appreciated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2012 23:27:23 GMT -5
Perhaps it it true? perhaps not? I fail to understand the 'justification' offered by guest sauerkraut? Does a post on another forum mean potentially libellous statements can be made on this forum? May I request an explanation from Admin or one of the Moderators of this forum why unproven and potentially libellous statements are allowed to be posted and have not been removed? Emy has already asked this question in post #112. A post from Admin or a Moderator clarifying the matter will be much appreciated. This case has not only been vetted through the BTS Forum, but the reporting of the allegation is similar to the TMB threads of allegations against Leslie White by SW. Wearytraveller is a credible source as is SW. Are the allegations true? That remains to be seen. The allegation though is a genuine allegation and worthy of reporting in the public interest. Silencing the victims is heinous. Mr. YY should come clean on everything and stop making the investigator seek out yet more allegations. |
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Post by Where is Admin or Moderator on Aug 5, 2012 0:47:26 GMT -5
A response is sought by Admin a moderator (other than Clearday; who made the post in question and is thus naturally disqualified from moderating in this instance)
As Emy has stated in her post #112 from the rules of this forum
Libelous posts are strictly forbidden. Please provide news links if you are accusing someone of a criminal offense. Otherwise, don't post such articles.
We have a commitment with ProBoards that no libelous posts will be allowed. This includes posts that contain names or initials of living people about whom criminal allegations are made.
Clearday's post contains a criminal allegation against a named person.
Clarification and explanation is respectfully requested of the Admin and Moderators of this board giving the reason/s how and why Clearday's post is not in contravention of the stated rules and why the post remains undeleted.
Is there a different set off rules for Moderators such as Clearday? Are they permitted to make posts that other posters are not permitted to make and which are in contravention of agreement with ProBoards?
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Post by wanda on Aug 5, 2012 0:58:34 GMT -5
It seems you are quick to defend the perp but not the victim.
Chris has written an open letter which has been posted on this board so it is obvious his name is not being shrouded in secrecy before the case goes to court.
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Post by mod7 on Aug 5, 2012 2:14:43 GMT -5
We have a commitment with ProBoards that no libelous posts will be allowed. This includes posts that contain names or initials of living people about whom criminal allegations are made.[/i] Clearday's post contains a criminal allegation against a named person. Clarification and explanation is respectfully requested of the Admin and Moderators of this board giving the reason/s how and why Clearday's post is not in contravention of the stated rules and why the post remains undeleted.[/quote] Out of respect for those who have lodged complaints, and for the worker in question, I have removed the name. I am not sure that there is anything in Clearday's post that is libelous, but I am checking with Admin and other moderators. It appears that a person on Wings BTS forum did post certain allegations. This is fact. In most jurisdictions, truth is an absolute defense against libel. But like I say, I am checking further. Thank you. |
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Post by thanks to Mod 7 on Aug 5, 2012 3:42:12 GMT -5
Thank you Mod 7, confidence in the Administration and Moderation of Professing ProBoards is partially restored.
Request to Admin and other moderators
Why did it take Moderators nearly 48 hours to take action against another Moderator who made a post in contravention of the rules of this board?
Of what relevance is Mod 7's comment
to the fact that a moderator of this board (Clearday) made a post containing a criminal allegation against a named person. Is that not a clear contravention of the rules of this forum?
I respectfully request an explanation of how this does not contravene the rules of this forum and the assurance given to ProBoards.
Or is there a different application of the rules of this forum in this instance because the poster Clearday is a moderator?
Clarification and explanation will be much appreciated.
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Post by JO on Aug 5, 2012 5:38:11 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be nice if victims and potential victims were given as much consideration and compassion as the sexual offenders in this fellowship?
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Post by wanda on Aug 5, 2012 6:40:41 GMT -5
Unfortunately it's every man for himself when it comes to keeping allegations of CSA quiet.
This is understandable if a name had not already been disclosed however C has recently written a public letter to the 'friends' regarding his history of CSA.
Do we now disregard that letter because it is a 'public' admittance of an 'allegation' or do we disregard it because it may discredit his name?
Seriously people, who are you protecting? The perpetrator that's who.
For those who haven't already, have a read on the WINGS forum of what Weary Traveller has to say.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 7:05:01 GMT -5
Cover up of known perpetrators against children is about as ugly as it gets. This is one known perpetrator: Dear Friends,
It is with deep sadness that I tell you that I have stood down from the Work.
The police have questioned me about something which happened when I was a youth. This is years before and completely unrelated to my time in the ministry. I am making every effort to cooperate with the police investigation. It would not be proper to make further public comment about it whilst the investigation continues.
After I began to serve God, I tried to address the issues from my past and a little later, sought professional counseling. I felt this matter had been settled years ago. However, now that this matter has been raised, I feel it is not appropriate for me to continue in the ministry.
I want to thank you for your love and support during my time in the work. I am very grieved for the distress and anxiety that I have caused to any person affected by my past.
Chris Chandler
09/06/2012Should anyone know of any further incidences which have not been reported by the author above, here is how to contact the authorities: 3 July, 2012
Morwell SOCIT
8-10 Hazelwood Road
Morwell 3840
Victoria, Australia
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Telephone (03) 51317046
Facsimile (03) 51315090
Email darren.eldridge@police.vic.gov.au
www.police.vic.gov.au
My name is Darren ELDRIDGE. I am a Detective Senior Constable of Police currently stationed at Morwell Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Unit. I am currently investigating an allegation of child sexual assault.
Your name and address has been provided to me by David LEITCH. David indicates that the person I am investigating has spent time with you and your family and may have lived with you for a period of time.
Neither myself nor Victoria Police are suggesting that you or your family have been offended against but would like to give you an opportunity to talk to police should you choose to.
I can be contacted on the above telephone number; all contact will be treated with the utmost discretion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 7:32:32 GMT -5
I would like to advise mods and readers to call Detective Eldridge for more information on this case. Detective Eldridge should confirm that Chris Chandler's case is now "in the public arena".
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Post by Awaiting response on Aug 5, 2012 14:47:58 GMT -5
Awaiting a response from Admin or a Moderator (other than Clearday)
Once again thanks is expressed to Mod 7 for his courage in taking necessary and correct action against a fellow moderator.
The concerning question remained.....
WHY DOES A MODERATOR OF THIS FORUM (Clearday) feel he can make a post making criminal allegations against a named person when this is in contravention of the rules and assurance given to ProBoards?
We most; if not all who read this thread have abhorrence of CSA and care, sympathy and compassion towards victims. But does this mean posts in clear contravention of the rules of this forum and of the assurance given to ProBoards can be made and then tolerated by Admin and the team of Moderators?
Is Admin and the Moderators going to allow TMB to be highjacked to 'lynch and trial' individuals with serious criminal allegations made against them? (which I consider Clearday's post is in effect doing!) Or will they allow the laws of the state of Victoria to take their due judicial course without kangaroo court lawyers having a crack here on TMB?!!!
Clarification and explanation of this important principle is respectfully sought and awaited from either Admin or the Moderation Team (excluding Clearday)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 15:27:22 GMT -5
Awaiting a response from Admin or a Moderator (other than Clearday) Once again thanks is expressed to Mod 7 for his courage in taking necessary and correct action against a fellow moderator. The concerning question remained..... WHY DOES A MODERATOR OF THIS FORUM (Clearday) feel he can make a post making criminal allegations against a named person when this is in contravention of the rules and assurance given to ProBoards? We most; if not all who read this thread have abhorrence of CSA and care, sympathy and compassion towards victims. But does this mean posts in clear contravention of the rules of this forum and of the assurance given to ProBoards can be made and then tolerated by Admin and the team of Moderators? Is Admin and the Moderators going to allow TMB to be highjacked to 'lynch and trial' individuals with serious criminal allegations made against them? (which I consider Clearday's post is in effect doing!) Or will they allow the laws of the state of Victoria to take their due judicial course without kangaroo court lawyers having a crack here on TMB?!!! Clarification and explanation of this important principle is respectfully sought and awaited from either Admin or the Moderation Team (excluding Clearday) You are clearly in favour of cover up of CSA. You have interests which are more important than the voice of victims. You have no interest in hearing from victims of CSA. You have no respect for law enforcement when they state that this case is in the public arena. Your claims of potential libel is touching, especially from someone who hiding behind an unregistered name and have no risk of libel while I am the one at risk. Thank you for kindly protecting me from a possible libel suit but your help is not necessary, I know the ground upon which I stand. Stay tuned for more. Please focus your energy on seeking the truth. As a surrogate for Chris Chandler, please put some energy into asking him to come clean to Detective Eldridge, pay the price, and redeem his soul. As one of his advisers, you are leading him down a path which will be difficult to climb out from. You are no friend of Chris Chandler's. |
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Post by wanda on Aug 5, 2012 15:36:33 GMT -5
Clearday is right - why are you hiding behind a 'guest' name when clearly you have posted here before and are familiar with this board. There can be only one reason - to try to discredit others trying to expose CSA while hiding and keeping your own identity secret.
Clearday has obviously spoken to the detective and it would be advisable to do so yourself instead of waging a vendetta against clearday
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 15:44:47 GMT -5
Clearday is right - why are you hiding behind a 'guest' name when clearly you have posted here before and are familiar with this board. There can be only one reason - to try to discredit others trying to expose CSA while hiding and keeping your own identity secret. Clearday has obviously spoken to the detective and it would be advisable to do so yourself instead of waging a vendetta against clearday To put the record straight, I have not spoken to the detective but I have a report from someone who is trustworthy and has spoken to him. This case is in the public arena. There is no libel here. More information to come. |
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Post by to admin and mod team on Aug 5, 2012 16:40:35 GMT -5
Clearday posted
I have confidence in the discernment of readers of this thread and of Admin and the team of Mods to understand now more clearly the mindset and attitude of clearday. Perhaps other will also have the same question in mind as I do?; his suitability for the role of a moderator?
However getting back to the important principle I have raised.
I am sure most; if not all who view this thread support and understand the reason for the opening post of this thread. I heartily do. Scott Ross seems to have wide appreciation and respect on this forum and no doubt that in part because he does not contravene this rules of this board or the commitment made by Admin to ProBoards.
My concern is that this forum is being used by people of the mindset of this poster Clearday who in his sense of right and wrong and justice felt he is allowed under the rules of this board to make the following post
There is a 'world of difference' between the opening post; which complies with the rules of this this forum and the above quoted post of clearday. This was posting of a criminal allegation against a named person which remained until the correct action was taken by Mod 7 nearly 48 hours later. Why? where is Admin? where are the rest of the moderators?
Some are misunderstanding my seeking of clarification and explanation regarding the principle of allowing criminal allegations against a named person to remain on this board to be as support for an alleged criminal. I have already stated my abhorrence of CSA, but that is being conveniently ignored and dismissed by some.
Is this forum going to remain a domain for those of the mindset of clearday? Or is it going to continue developing into a forum that members of this fellowship will consider useful and relevant.
As already stated posts from Admin and members of the Mod team (other than clearday) are respectfully sought and awaited
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 16:52:16 GMT -5
Clearday posted I have confidence in the discernment of readers of this thread and of Admin and the team of Mods to understand now more clearly the mindset and attitude of clearday. Perhaps other will also have the same question in mind as I do?; his suitability for the role of a moderator? However getting back to the important principle I have raised. I am sure most; if not all who view this thread support and understand the reason for the opening post of this thread. I heartily do. Scott Ross seems to have wide appreciation and respect on this forum and no doubt that in part because he does not contravene this rules of this board or the commitment made by Admin to ProBoards. My concern is that this forum is being used by people of the mindset of this poster Clearday who in his sense of right and wrong and justice felt he is allowed under the rules of this board to make the following post There is a 'world of difference' between the opening post; which complies with the rules of this this forum and the above quoted post of clearday. This was posting of a criminal allegation against a named person which remained until the correct action was taken by Mod 7 nearly 48 hours later. Why? where is Admin? where are the rest of the moderators? Some are misunderstanding my seeking of clarification and explanation regarding the principle of allowing criminal allegations against a named person to remain on this board to be as support for an alleged criminal. I have already stated my abhorrence of CSA, but that is being conveniently ignored and dismissed by some. Is this forum going to remain a domain for those of the mindset of clearday? Or is it going to continue developing into a forum that members of this fellowship will consider useful and relevant. As already stated posts from Admin and members of the Mod team (other than clearday) are respectfully sought and awaited Do you, unnamed person, understand what libel means? Why do you support the cover up of allegations against Mr.Chandler? What exactly are you advising Mr. Chandler? How much of your funding is going toward his legal defense? |
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Post by Principles and rules of TMB on Aug 5, 2012 17:05:06 GMT -5
clearday continues to reveal himself with some more statements and allegations.... which are incorrect and without foundation in fact. Perhaps someone who knows him personally will make contact with him and be able to help him, advise him of how he is presently conducting himself?
I have confidence that Admin or the Mod team will post here; once they are are notified or become aware address the concerns that have been correctly raised in recent posts on this thread.
with appreciation...and in the interests of a forum that is moderated in accordance of the stated rules and the commitment given to ProBoards.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 17:18:39 GMT -5
clearday continues to reveal himself with some more statements and allegations.... which are incorrect and without foundation in fact. Name the "incorrect and without foundation in fact" statements and allegations please. The very thing you complain about is what you are practicing right now. At this point, the only one who agrees with you is you. What advice do you suggest to make me whole? Perhaps you could register and build some credibility here. So far, you have presented yourself merely as someone who wishes to promote a cover up of the facts. This forum is operating well within both its own rules and the requirements of Proboards. |
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Post by Admin on Aug 5, 2012 17:47:14 GMT -5
Thank you to all who are contributing.
This issue of CSA amongst the Workers and Friends is a tough and vexed one for us here trying to administer the TMB forum.
Our commitment with ProBoards is that no libelous posts will be allowed.
I added that this includes posts containing names or initials of living people about whom criminal allegations are made, because it seemed right at the time.
Our absolute standard is no libelous posts.
The defense against libel is truth.
None of us on the admin team are lawyers. We seek advice as appropriate.
In all my time here, I have never witnessed any attack on any worker who is upholding the standard of Christ while preaching the gospel of God as revealed through His word including Christ and the scriptures. In fact, those Workers have been acclaimed by Friends and ex-Friends alike.
The current crisis is not of our making, neither of the admin team or TMB contributors. Responsibility rests with those who have deviated into heresy and immorality.
We will clarify the rules once we have the necessary advice.
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Post by Brianna on Aug 5, 2012 17:53:22 GMT -5
Awaiting a response from Admin or a Moderator (other than Clearday) Once again thanks is expressed to Mod 7 for his courage in taking necessary and correct action against a fellow moderator. The concerning question remained..... WHY DOES A MODERATOR OF THIS FORUM (Clearday) feel he can make a post making criminal allegations against a named person when this is in contravention of the rules and assurance given to ProBoards? We most; if not all who read this thread have abhorrence of CSA and care, sympathy and compassion towards victims. But does this mean posts in clear contravention of the rules of this forum and of the assurance given to ProBoards can be made and then tolerated by Admin and the team of Moderators? Is Admin and the Moderators going to allow TMB to be highjacked to 'lynch and trial' individuals with serious criminal allegations made against them? (which I consider Clearday's post is in effect doing!) Or will they allow the laws of the state of Victoria to take their due judicial course without kangaroo court lawyers having a crack here on TMB?!!! Clarification and explanation of this important principle is respectfully sought and awaited from either Admin or the Moderation Team (excluding Clearday) You are clearly in favour of cover up of CSA. You have interests which are more important than the voice of victims. You have no interest in hearing from victims of CSA. You have no respect for law enforcement when they state that this case is in the public arena. Your claims of potential libel is touching, especially from someone who hiding behind an unregistered name and have no risk of libel while I am the one at risk. Thank you for kindly protecting me from a possible libel suit but your help is not necessary, I know the ground upon which I stand. Stay tuned for more. Please focus your energy on seeking the truth. As a surrogate for Chris Chandler, please put some energy into asking him to come clean to Detective Eldridge, pay the price, and redeem his soul. As one of his advisers, you are leading him down a path which will be difficult to climb out from. You are no friend of Chris Chandler's. WELL DONE Clearday. This person sounds like "blue skies" from another thread.!!!!!!!! Someone suggested maybe maybe his name isssssssss David.  Seems to have a similar attitude. Wont matter what you say he will say you are wrong. |
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Post by Brianna on Aug 5, 2012 18:09:20 GMT -5
Clearday and others,
READ:- thread called - VIC worker update.
IT seems we have this pedantic individual back again making trouble. Of course we cant be libelous, but dont think he wants us to say anything. Sorry Clearday, he seems to have it in for you. Wont matter what you say.
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Post by Admin on Aug 5, 2012 18:11:22 GMT -5
I should add, like Wanda has said, there are two public letters circulating. One that is supposedly written by the Worker from Victoria who is involved and the other by his head Worker.
Those letters put the name in the public arena.
I also have advice that Det. Senior Constable Darren Eldridge has stated that this investigation is "in the public arena".
Hard as it sometimes is, we must all respect that individuals are innocent until proved guilty by law.
In this case, I also understand that certain confessions have been made and that some allegations have been publicly made by one of the alleged victims.
These are the facts as the admin team understands them. If anyone from Victoria is able to clarify or correct if necessary, we will appreciate your help. Please PM me if you don't wish to post publicly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 18:30:04 GMT -5
Clearday and others, READ:- thread called - VIC worker update. IT seems we have this pedantic individual back again making trouble. Of course we cant be libelous, but dont think he wants us to say anything. Sorry Clearday, he seems to have it in for you. Wont matter what you say. Thanks Brianna. I've been around these boards far too long to be intimidated by the likes of (ever changing name). He/She uses a semi-clever tactic to suppress information: claiming the virtue of the board is at risk if certain information is posted. He/she most unlikely cares one whit for the board and the safety of the mods....it is the goal of information suppression that is paramount and the tactic is to scare the mods into submission. I have seen this tactic practiced quite a few times over the years. This subject and this particular case is in the public interest for information-sharing. As Admin states, guilt or innocence has not been established so any post stating such should be removed. Information regarding the changing status of the investigation is forthcoming soon. |
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Post by Brianna on Aug 5, 2012 18:47:27 GMT -5
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"We most: if not all who read this thread have abhorrence of CSA and care, sympathy and compassion towards victims."
EXCUSE ME - You are saying or presuming about those that read here. How do you know. You dont know me.
QUOTE reply 128 to admin and mod team
"Is this forum going to remain a domain for those of the mindset of Clearday? Or is it going to continue developing into a forum that members of this fellowship will consider useful and relevant"
OKAY - You making it sound that you want this forum to be just for those still going to mtgs. What about the rest? Yes ythe board has standards and we have to stick to them. We know you are are a control freak. (I will refer to you in future as UNO (alias wa guest) as you seem to have a little problem with what to call yourself)
Well UNO, you do a lot of presuming about what other people think and feel. Not a good idea presuming. Need to have the actual facts.
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Post by mod5 on Aug 5, 2012 20:08:25 GMT -5
I should add, like Wanda has said, there are two public letters circulating. One that is supposedly written by the Worker from Victoria who is involved and the other by his head Worker. Those letters put the name in the public arena. I also have advice that Det. Senior Constable Darren Eldridge has stated that this investigation is "in the public arena". Hard as it sometimes is, we must all respect that individuals are innocent until proved guilty by law. In this case, I also understand that certain confessions have been made and that some allegations have been publicly made by one of the alleged victims. These are the facts as the admin team understands them. If anyone from Victoria is able to clarify or correct if necessary, we will appreciate your help. Please PM me if you don't wish to post publicly. I concur with what you have written Admin. I also understand that Det Eldridge is aware of what the alleged victim has written on WINGS BTS and thinks that this will not impact any impending court. We must all try and keep emotion out of this sad case and deal with the facts only. |
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Post by appreciation to Admin on Aug 5, 2012 21:28:48 GMT -5
Admin
Your non emotional and wise response to this issue is appreciated. I understand and accept that you will need some time to seek advice and resolve this issue.
Your forum rules state:
We have a commitment with ProBoards that no libelous posts will be allowed. THIS INCLUDES POSTS THAT CONTAIN NAMES OR INITIALS OF LIVING PEOPLE ABOUT WHOM CRIMINAL ALLEGATIONS ARE MADE.
I am unable to understand how Clearday's post is in accordance with the stated rules? To clear any misunderstanding I state that I have never met or had any association with the person that was named in clearday's post. I have personal abhorrence of CSA and fully support the efforts of WINGS. I do not support posts of the nature that clearday made where criminal allegations are made about named persons. The principle is that a moderator of the forum feels he is not bound by the clearly stated rules of this forum. He presently feels he is entitled to make a post containing criminal allegations against a named person.
As I have previously stated if this forum is going to be a vehicle for the benefit of this church group and not just a domain for those of the mindset of those like clearday then resolution of this present matter will contribute to this goal.
Admin; your just and correct resolution of this issue will be greatly appreciated.
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