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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2006 8:23:20 GMT -5
Note to self - the church handles the spiritual side and the authorities handle the criminal side. Who should handle the moral side??
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Post by jxr on May 19, 2006 8:28:46 GMT -5
Note to self - the church handles the spiritual side and the authorities handle the criminal side. Who should handle the moral side?? Exactly. Well said Edgar. The authorities only handle the sides that get presented to them. The public has a moral obligation to report significant breaches of law to the authorities. That public would also include members and leaders of religious groups. Else, in this regard, how is the F&W any different from the Mafia?
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Post by as i c it on May 19, 2006 11:53:41 GMT -5
Edgar,
You (or anyone else) can join in any conversation I'm having anytime! I only use names to ensure that my postings catch the eyes of a particular person: or so another poster doesn't end up being confused by thinking that my response is a response to something they posted.
I've read the distant past postings. So I know that there have been wrong-doings going on: and covered up: for some time.
No individual should be threaten with a loss of their salvation for speaking the truth and/or for "protesting" their child being abused by a sexual predator. And that predator should not be protected (and shuffled off elsewhere) to abuse again--while the innocent ones are either gagged or slandered.
Christ was put to death because he refused to "just fit in" and "just accept" all the wrongs that the scribes and Pharisees were doing or teaching--And He cared nothing about the image of righteousness that the Pharisees were so interested in maintaining--or their organization. Souls: and true righteousness--according to God: and before God--were all that mattered to Him--even if it disrupted the peace and the unity of the organization built by the Pharisees.
Christ stood against the Pharisees. And his truths judged all the Jewish people--much the same as what I see when I look at what took place in Alberta. (Who--or what--do you REALLY love? and who--or what--are you REALLY loyal to? And what--or who--has FIRST PLACE in your life?).
The majority of workers seek only to do what is good and what is right before God. But the system...which would put image before what is "right" and "true"--according to God...and which would result in an individual having to deaden their conscience in order to stay a true worshipper of God...or allow someone to continue preaching the gospel for which they have been called...with a clear conscience--needs to be looked at.
"Christ did not come to build an organization".
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Post by selah on May 19, 2006 16:03:18 GMT -5
Amen "as i c it".
Some would sacrifice truth for unity. When that happens, we have to ask ourselves, "What kind of unity brings us together "against" truth? What are we united to? Do we really want to share in that kind of bond of unity?"
For those who are dedicated to Jesus Christ, who is the Truth, these questions demand serious consideration, in light of our spiritual well-being now and eternally.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by as i c it thanks on May 19, 2006 19:04:51 GMT -5
Thanks again, Linda. Your comments always keep us balanced. And when I think about it, it's really a balance that is needed. Fitting in, for example, probably started off as doing a good work in our church. But then...it went out of balance...to the point that it became very bad (and with negative consequences) if you didn't fit in--and agree--with all things. All we need to do is get balanced again. (So: when are you available? )
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Post by selah on May 19, 2006 21:54:54 GMT -5
You set the date! Blessings, Linda
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Post by as i c it on May 19, 2006 22:13:41 GMT -5
Ooh, good Linda!!! Of course, I'm not expecting any miracles.... So: are you free to start tomorrow??? (Or--will you already have it done by then??) ;D
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Post by NetNanny on May 19, 2006 22:57:43 GMT -5
Hey you two... take this somewhere else - there are children here
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Post by What Hat on May 19, 2006 23:06:32 GMT -5
what type of kiddos would be reading this?
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Post by maturity on May 19, 2006 23:27:22 GMT -5
How long have you been reading these boards?
If you haven't seen any posts from children yet, you haven't been here long enough- stick around!
-cheers
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Post by selah on May 19, 2006 23:41:12 GMT -5
We weren't talking about anything like what you're thinking anyway ..... were we??? News to me. Blessings, Linda
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Post by zzzzzzzzzzzzzz on May 19, 2006 23:55:26 GMT -5
Just a little fun linda - late here int he states, I should probably go to bed, before I get myself in trouble...
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Post by as I see it on May 20, 2006 0:52:35 GMT -5
Linda, One moment we're busy trying to balance out the church--and the next moment --we've been knocked off balance ourselves! (Ain't that just the way it goes...) At least zzzz was decent enough to apologize, (to you): which...on this board...speaks highly of that individual. And of their high esteem for you.
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Post by James Bradley on May 21, 2006 13:43:52 GMT -5
God be praised, that the excommunications took place. People might see that the truth is really a great Gnosticism with little knowledge about the workers, except that they aren't preaching the truth and that "Jesus Christ" isn't any part of them. Because if HE was, they would have done any of what they did do..........You can Priase Jesus ......... and what I read in Isaiah 58 and fast, 6 and 7 verses, break the yoke that was on you and have the light break forth as the morning and thy health shall spring forth speedily.
Jim Bradley
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Post by l on May 21, 2006 18:29:39 GMT -5
God be praised, that the excommunications took place. People might see that the truth is really a great Gnosticism with little knowledge about the workers, except that they aren't preaching the truth and that "Jesus Christ" isn't any part of them. Because if HE was, they would have done any of what they did do..........You can Priase Jesus ......... and what I read in Isaiah 58 and fast, 6 and 7 verses, break the yoke that was on you and have the light break forth as the morning and thy health shall spring forth speedily. Jim Bradley AMEN
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Post by just learning on Jul 31, 2007 12:13:22 GMT -5
my head is spinning cos a month ago I thought excommunication was an old history catholic thing
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Post by Right Answer on Jul 31, 2007 17:25:52 GMT -5
Thanks las. I must look into this. But one thing is clear, my own faith does not preach falsely. You name me one church which is closer to what the foundation church and its ministry was like. And if you say that following the example of that church is no longer important then you put yourself into some bad company. Wrong question, The whole point of the 2x2 group is that they do not repent of their sin and they claim the group goes to the very beginning. Right answer
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Post by now an ex Praise God on Aug 1, 2007 8:32:42 GMT -5
who really cares if the 'workers' regret what they did...if you haven't been ex-communicated you should 'run' not walk as far away from this 'cult' this'system'...there are and always have been good Christian Churches out there...seek you shall find...not that a Church or 'religion' is the answer..but a 'living relatioship' with the Son and the Father..but there you will have fellowship with other wonderful Christians.. don't waste another second with the 2 by 2's ..it is a stronghold of Satan himself..so get out while you have time...then do what you can to help other's there 'untangle' themselves by pointing them to Christ..or bringing them to a place where they can get spiritual help they need...where they will be led to Christ..to freedom in Christ..it is so grand...so wonderful...
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