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Post by bubbles on Sept 2, 2015 16:13:07 GMT -5
Doctor rational What has a slit lamp test to do with wilsons disease. ( it wasnt the eyeball it was the liver) The answer is no. And the fact that the doctor did not use that simple slit lamp test would be a reason to question the process. A slit lamp is a good tool to identify a Kayser-Fleischer ring where the cornea meets the sclera, around the iris, so to speak. It indicates copper deposits and is a quick, easy, painless way to look for Wilson’s disease. Approximately 95% of people with Wilson's disease will have this ring. With Wilson's disease the copper doesn't only accumulate in the liver. This is one of the times when chelation therapy might actually work. And it sometimes makes very interesting looking eyes! Now you know so the next time you will have no need for such a condescending reply! I once went to a specialist physician. The title I had never heard of. When I asked the insurance CO. About the visit. They told me the difference between him and a GP is. You will go to the GP for a diagnosis and it could take 6 visits whereas the SP. Will nail it all within a couple of hrs. It was true. So on that note. How long has the slit lamp test been used? Condescending? I do apologise for being so condesending. However you did press the buttons!! My daughter txt me and said they were going to do slit lamp test if the liver biopsy was positive.
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Post by rational on Sept 2, 2015 21:37:51 GMT -5
I once went to a specialist physician. The title I had never heard of. When I asked the insurance CO. About the visit. They told me the difference between him and a GP is. You will go to the GP for a diagnosis and it could take 6 visits whereas the SP. Will nail it all within a couple of hrs. It was true. But I am neither a GP nor a specialist and only had your description of how the patient presented. I don't know. Perhaps 150 years ago. I used one when I was consulting with people doing retina research 50 years ago. No, I think you know that I generally tell the truth and have backup to support my claims and it drives you crazy! Another example of why this medical practice should be questioned. Did they do a blood test and look at copper levels? This is like doing surgery to see if a woman is pregnant and if it looks like the woman is pregnant checking it with a pregnancy test. The general rule of thumb is to do the least invasive tests first starting with the one that gives the best results. I don't know what was wrong with your daughter. I am glad she is better. I was only pointing out a clear example of selection bias that leads you to believe that a prayer was answered. If I pray that I will not die in my sleep and then I wake up tomorrow will my prayer have been answered? The point is that you considered that you prayer asking that your daughter to be healed from Wilson's disease had been answered even though she didn't have the disease to begin with.
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Post by maryhig on Sept 2, 2015 23:35:43 GMT -5
I once went to a specialist physician. The title I had never heard of. When I asked the insurance CO. About the visit. They told me the difference between him and a GP is. You will go to the GP for a diagnosis and it could take 6 visits whereas the SP. Will nail it all within a couple of hrs. It was true. But I am neither a GP nor a specialist and only had your description of how the patient presented. I don't know. Perhaps 150 years ago. I used one when I was consulting with people doing retina research 50 years ago. No, I think you know that I generally tell the truth and have backup to support my claims and it drives you crazy! Another example of why this medical practice should be questioned. Did they do a blood test and look at copper levels? This is like doing surgery to see if a woman is pregnant and if it looks like the woman is pregnant checking it with a pregnancy test. The general rule of thumb is to do the least invasive tests first starting with the one that gives the best results. I don't know what was wrong with your daughter. I am glad she is better. I was only pointing out a clear example of selection bias that leads you to believe that a prayer was answered. If I pray that I will not die in my sleep and then I wake up tomorrow will my prayer have been answered? The point is that you considered that you prayer asking that your daughter to be healed from Wilson's disease had been answered even though she didn't have the disease to begin with. The doctors told my brother he had gallstones, they even sent him to a city hospital in England to have them removed. It it wasn't until they did tests before operating that they found out he has cancer of the pancreas which had spread to the liver. Maybe they could have scanned him earlier, put a camera down and checked earlier, done other simple tests over the months that he waited before he was sent in for gallstones. But they didn't! Not all doctors are perfect, they make mistakes. They could have done this too in bubbles daughters case. But thankfully for her, they were wrong about her having the illness. And she had a negative result. I, like bubbles believe it's a blessing. For my brother it wasn't meant to be, and it was his time to go. I'm just glad we had the time we did with him!
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Post by maryhig on Sept 2, 2015 23:47:15 GMT -5
And the fact that the doctor did not use that simple slit lamp test would be a reason to question the process. A slit lamp is a good tool to identify a Kayser-Fleischer ring where the cornea meets the sclera, around the iris, so to speak. It indicates copper deposits and is a quick, easy, painless way to look for Wilson’s disease. Approximately 95% of people with Wilson's disease will have this ring. With Wilson's disease the copper doesn't only accumulate in the liver. This is one of the times when chelation therapy might actually work. And it sometimes makes very interesting looking eyes! Now you know so the next time you will have no need for such a condescending reply! I once went to a specialist physician. The title I had never heard of. When I asked the insurance CO. About the visit. They told me the difference between him and a GP is. You will go to the GP for a diagnosis and it could take 6 visits whereas the SP. Will nail it all within a couple of hrs. It was true. So on that note. How long has the slit lamp test been used? Condescending? I do apologise for being so condesending. However you did press the buttons!! My daughter txt me and said they were going to do slit lamp test if the liver biopsy was positive. I'm made up for you that your daughter is well. It's a blessing and such a relief when God listens to your prayers. I know what you mean. If the doctor tells you it's a suspected illness, you panic. Regardless of whether they they know for definite or not, because of the fear that your child could be sick, and because we have faith we pray. And I believe that through faith God answers our prayers. Just hearing that it wasn't Wilson's disease would have been a total relief to your heart. It must have been horrendous knowing she was going for all those tests. I'm happy for your daughter, that's she's well. You don't have to explain yourself. I believe you, I know that doctors, although wonderful, don't always get things right or maybe do not do the right tests in the right order, they're human too!
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 3, 2015 0:36:59 GMT -5
I once went to a specialist physician. The title I had never heard of. When I asked the insurance CO. About the visit. They told me the difference between him and a GP is. You will go to the GP for a diagnosis and it could take 6 visits whereas the SP. Will nail it all within a couple of hrs. It was true. So on that note. How long has the slit lamp test been used? Condescending? I do apologise for being so condesending. However you did press the buttons!! My daughter txt me and said they were going to do slit lamp test if the liver biopsy was positive. I'm made up for you that your daughter is well. It's a blessing and such a relief when God listens to your prayers. I know what you mean. If the doctor tells you it's a suspected illness, you panic. Regardless of whether they they know for definite or not, because of the fear that your child could be sick, and because we have faith we pray. And I believe that through faith God answers our prayers. Just hearing that it wasn't Wilson's disease would have been a total relief to your heart. It must have been horrendous knowing she was going for all those tests. I'm happy for your daughter, that's she's well. You don't have to explain yourself. I believe you, I know that doctors, although wonderful, don't always get things right or maybe do not do the right tests in the right order, they're human too! As far as I'm concerned, the post was about Bubbles stating that, "My daughter healed of wilsons disease" and stating that it was because people were praying for her daughter.
Then when I simply asked a few questions, she went into attack mode. Why?
Why do people who believe in these kinds of religious ideas like healing by "laying on hands " & "prayer," get so upset & go into attack mode?
Why do they make all kind derogatory statements about the motives of someone just because that person happens to not believe in their religious ideas?
My questions were not derogatory, simply trying to get to the truth of the matter. Now it turns out her daughter never had the disease to start with!
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Post by maryhig on Sept 3, 2015 0:58:15 GMT -5
I'm made up for you that your daughter is well. It's a blessing and such a relief when God listens to your prayers. I know what you mean. If the doctor tells you it's a suspected illness, you panic. Regardless of whether they they know for definite or not, because of the fear that your child could be sick, and because we have faith we pray. And I believe that through faith God answers our prayers. Just hearing that it wasn't Wilson's disease would have been a total relief to your heart. It must have been horrendous knowing she was going for all those tests. I'm happy for your daughter, that's she's well. You don't have to explain yourself. I believe you, I know that doctors, although wonderful, don't always get things right or maybe do not do the right tests in the right order, they're human too! As far as I'm concerned, the post was about Bubbles stating that, "My daughter healed of wilsons disease" and stating that it was because people were praying for her daughter.
Then when I simply asked a few questions, she went into attack mode. Why?
Why do people who believe in these kinds of religious ideas like healing by "laying on hands " & "prayer," get so upset & go into attack mode?
Why do they make all kind derogatory statements about the motives of someone just because that person happens to not believe in their religious ideas?
My questions were not derogatory, simply trying to get to the truth of the matter. Now it turns out her daughter never had the disease to start with!
I know what you mean, but I'm saying sometimes doctors get it wrong. They didn't say to my brother, "you might have gallstones" they said "you have got gallstones" he even went to hospital to have them removed and it was cancer! They said later that they made that mistake because it is very rare that people as young as my brother get pancreatic cancer. But I don't want to pull down the doctors, they were shocked themselves because all his symptoms pointed to gallstones. They looked after him brilliantly, right up until he passed away!
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 3, 2015 1:04:33 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, the post was about Bubbles stating that, "My daughter healed of wilsons disease" and stating that it was because people were praying for her daughter.
Then when I simply asked a few questions, she went into attack mode. Why?
Why do people who believe in these kinds of religious ideas like healing by "laying on hands " & "prayer," get so upset & go into attack mode?
Why do they make all kind derogatory statements about the motives of someone just because that person happens to not believe in their religious ideas?
My questions were not derogatory, simply trying to get to the truth of the matter. Now it turns out her daughter never had the disease to start with!
I know what you mean, but I'm saying sometimes doctors get it wrong. They didn't say to my brother, "you might have gallstones" they said "you have got gallstones" he even went to hospital to have them removed and it was cancer! They said later that they made that mistake because it is very rare that people as young as my brother get pancreatic cancer. But I don't want to pull down the doctors, they were shocked themselves because all his symptoms pointed to gallstones. They looked after him brilliantly, right up until he passed away! What I said not nothing to do about the doctors. I was about Bubbles.
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Post by maryhig on Sept 3, 2015 1:08:25 GMT -5
I know what you mean, but I'm saying sometimes doctors get it wrong. They didn't say to my brother, "you might have gallstones" they said "you have got gallstones" he even went to hospital to have them removed and it was cancer! They said later that they made that mistake because it is very rare that people as young as my brother get pancreatic cancer. But I don't want to pull down the doctors, they were shocked themselves because all his symptoms pointed to gallstones. They looked after him brilliantly, right up until he passed away! What I said not nothing to do about the doctors. I was about Bubbles.Well to me bubbles seems to have an open, honest heart, and has faith in God. So to her, it was a blessing that her daughter didn't have Wilson's disease as the doctors had suspected. I would be the same. And I would have prayed and thanked God too!
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 3, 2015 1:50:35 GMT -5
What I said not nothing to do about the doctors. I was about Bubbles. Well to me bubbles seems to have an open, honest heart, and has faith in God. So to her, it was a blessing that her daughter didn't have Wilson's disease as the doctors had suspected. I would be the same. And I would have prayed and thanked God too! I'm sorry, Maryhig. I don't think you understand.
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Post by maryhig on Sept 3, 2015 3:02:22 GMT -5
Well to me bubbles seems to have an open, honest heart, and has faith in God. So to her, it was a blessing that her daughter didn't have Wilson's disease as the doctors had suspected. I would be the same. And I would have prayed and thanked God too! I'm sorry, Maryhig. I don't think you understand.
Oh right, what don't I understand?
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Post by bubbles on Sept 3, 2015 4:51:24 GMT -5
I once went to a specialist physician. The title I had never heard of. When I asked the insurance CO. About the visit. They told me the difference between him and a GP is. You will go to the GP for a diagnosis and it could take 6 visits whereas the SP. Will nail it all within a couple of hrs. It was true. But I am neither a GP nor a specialist and only had your description of how the patient presented. I don't know. Perhaps 150 years ago. I used one when I was consulting with people doing retina research 50 years ago. No, I think you know that I generally tell the truth and have backup to support my claims and it drives you crazy! Another example of why this medical practice should be questioned. Did they do a blood test and look at copper levels? This is like doing surgery to see if a woman is pregnant and if it looks like the woman is pregnant checking it with a pregnancy test. The general rule of thumb is to do the least invasive tests first starting with the one that gives the best results. I don't know what was wrong with your daughter. I am glad she is better. I was only pointing out a clear example of selection bias that leads you to believe that a prayer was answered. If I pray that I will not die in my sleep and then I wake up tomorrow will my prayer have been answered? The point is that you considered that you prayer asking that your daughter to be healed from Wilson's disease had been answered even though she didn't have the disease to begin with. Yes they did a number of blood tests. Copper in the body was mentioned from the outset. You do generally tell the truth as far as I can descern when you are serious. I wouldnt necessarily say that when you are wearing the Oscar hat!!
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Post by bubbles on Sept 3, 2015 4:59:43 GMT -5
I once went to a specialist physician. The title I had never heard of. When I asked the insurance CO. About the visit. They told me the difference between him and a GP is. You will go to the GP for a diagnosis and it could take 6 visits whereas the SP. Will nail it all within a couple of hrs. It was true. So on that note. How long has the slit lamp test been used? Condescending? I do apologise for being so condesending. However you did press the buttons!! My daughter txt me and said they were going to do slit lamp test if the liver biopsy was positive. I'm made up for you that your daughter is well. It's a blessing and such a relief when God listens to your prayers. I know what you mean. If the doctor tells you it's a suspected illness, you panic. Regardless of whether they they know for definite or not, because of the fear that your child could be sick, and because we have faith we pray. And I believe that through faith God answers our prayers. Just hearing that it wasn't Wilson's disease would have been a total relief to your heart. It must have been horrendous knowing she was going for all those tests. I'm happy for your daughter, that's she's well. You don't have to explain yourself. I believe you, I know that doctors, although wonderful, don't always get things right or maybe do not do the right tests in the right order, they're human too! Prayer became the automatic response many yrs ago. I dont expect atheists nor even some christians to understand that. Thanks maryhig. I do appreciate you understanding where I am coming from. X
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Post by bubbles on Sept 3, 2015 5:13:49 GMT -5
I'm made up for you that your daughter is well. It's a blessing and such a relief when God listens to your prayers. I know what you mean. If the doctor tells you it's a suspected illness, you panic. Regardless of whether they they know for definite or not, because of the fear that your child could be sick, and because we have faith we pray. And I believe that through faith God answers our prayers. Just hearing that it wasn't Wilson's disease would have been a total relief to your heart. It must have been horrendous knowing she was going for all those tests. I'm happy for your daughter, that's she's well. You don't have to explain yourself. I believe you, I know that doctors, although wonderful, don't always get things right or maybe do not do the right tests in the right order, they're human too! As far as I'm concerned, the post was about Bubbles stating that, "My daughter healed of wilsons disease" and stating that it was because people were praying for her daughter.
Then when I simply asked a few questions, she went into attack mode. Why?
Why do people who believe in these kinds of religious ideas like healing by "laying on hands " & "prayer," get so upset & go into attack mode?
Why do they make all kind derogatory statements about the motives of someone just because that person happens to not believe in their religious ideas?
My questions were not derogatory, simply trying to get to the truth of the matter. Now it turns out her daughter never had the disease to start with!
I hate injustice and will react to belittling. It disgusts me when people pretend they are interested but all they really want to do is pull apart judge and critize believers and the comments they make regarding loving god loving others prayer and faith. You and ratz are masters at it. Your last sentence is very cutting. Implying I didnt tell the truth. You both behave like judge and jury. I think you get off on it. It isnt about you believing what I believe. I dont give a toss what you believe. You are both so bent on proving people wrong. Goodbye
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Post by rational on Sept 3, 2015 13:29:29 GMT -5
The doctors told my brother he had gallstones, they even sent him to a city hospital in England to have them removed. It it wasn't until they did tests before operating that they found out he has cancer of the pancreas which had spread to the liver. Maybe they could have scanned him earlier, put a camera down and checked earlier, done other simple tests over the months that he waited before he was sent in for gallstones. But they didn't! I fail to see your point. It sounds like this borders on medical malpractice. But you didn't say - did your brother actually have gallstones and the discovery of the pancreatic was simply serendipitous? Spin it as you need maryhig but at the end of the day god did not cure @bubble's daughter of Wilson's disease. Sure it is great she didn't actually have the disease but claiming a cure is just wrong.
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Post by rational on Sept 3, 2015 13:50:15 GMT -5
I hate injustice and will react to belittling. It disgusts me when people pretend they are interested but all they really want to do is pull apart judge and critize believers and the comments they make regarding loving god loving others prayer and faith. If I am not mistaken it was you who gave credit to god for curing a disease that did not exist. This has nothing to do with your faith or your loving god. It is a matter of what you related. Masters at isolating the truth from an anecdote? I didn't see the judgement but I did see the facts being sorted out from your story. I think this has been well established! Hey, bubbles, you told the story. I don't think anyone added to or twisted what you said. You seem to jumping on people who asked questions, listened to your answers, and arrived at a more prosaic conclusion than you might have hoped for.
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Post by maryhig on Sept 4, 2015 1:03:25 GMT -5
The doctors told my brother he had gallstones, they even sent him to a city hospital in England to have them removed. It it wasn't until they did tests before operating that they found out he has cancer of the pancreas which had spread to the liver. Maybe they could have scanned him earlier, put a camera down and checked earlier, done other simple tests over the months that he waited before he was sent in for gallstones. But they didn't! I fail to see your point. It sounds like this borders on medical malpractice. But you didn't say - did your brother actually have gallstones and the discovery of the pancreatic was simply serendipitous? Spin it as you need maryhig but at the end of the day god did not cure @bubble's daughter of Wilson's disease. Sure it is great she didn't actually have the disease but claiming a cure is just wrong. I don't think serendipitous is quite the right word to describe the situation. As they found an aggressive terminal cancer, and no, no gallstones. The cancer blocked the bile ducts and they mistook it for gallstones. I don't blame the doctors. Apparently it's extremely rare to get pancreatic cancer at the age of 34. And by the time he felt pain, it was too late. It had already advanced. The doctors did the best they could. And I'm not spinning anything. Sometimes people write a post, and its dissected and questioned so much so that it looks like they're on trial!
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 4, 2015 1:59:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Maryhig. I don't think you understand.
Oh right, what don't I understand? I asked Bubbles just two questions. "Had your daughter been diagnosed as having Wilson's disease?" "What symptoms did she have?" Upon which she castigated me as if I was questioning her sanity or morality.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 4, 2015 7:16:52 GMT -5
My daughter had all the symptoms of Wilson's disease when I googled it at the time. Fact. The doc was doing his job scheduling appointments and tests. Fact. It took 18mths to complete the process. Fact. If I ommited to reveal anything because of recalling correct details. That is my mistake. You are offensive dmich. Blatantly nosey and out to prove everybody wrong.
The atheist do have a god its name is atheism. Deny it all you like. It is also known as an antichrist spirit.
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Post by rational on Sept 4, 2015 8:57:15 GMT -5
I don't think serendipitous is quite the right word to describe the situation. As they found an aggressive terminal cancer, and no, no gallstones. The cancer blocked the bile ducts and they mistook it for gallstones. I don't blame the doctors. Apparently it's extremely rare to get pancreatic cancer at the age of 34. And by the time he felt pain, it was too late. It had already advanced. The doctors did the best they could. You are correct - very rare indeed. Easy to see how the way he presented to the Dr would have led to that diagnosis. There is a lot of talk about doctors asking for too many expensive tests but in this case any sort of scan would have shown there were no gallstones. I guess we can't have it both ways - inexpensive medical care and no possibility of error. Sorry that was the outcome for your brother. Doesn't sound like knowing a bit sooner would have made much of a difference in the outcome. I like to think the posts are on trial since I don't know any (well the vast majority) of the people posting here. The spin I was mentioning was that you saw the negative result as some sort of a divine blessing. That would be like me praying that a volcano would not erupt in my back yard and then claiming it was a divine blessing when I looked out of the window in the morning and there was no volcano. It was a non-event.
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Post by rational on Sept 4, 2015 9:04:41 GMT -5
My daughter had all the symptoms of Wilson's disease when I googled it at the time. Fact. The doc was doing his job scheduling appointments and tests. Fact. Allowing someone who you suspect to have a degenerative disease to go a year and a half before getting a definitive answer just seems wrong. A slit lamp examination would take about 3 minutes and has a 95% confidence rate. I don't think there is one god/paranormal being that is singled out. How can the disbelief in something be called something?
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Sept 4, 2015 9:37:01 GMT -5
How can the disbelief in something be called something? How? When the "disbelief" is evangelized the way it is. If "the disbelief" was nothing ( nothing is the opposite of "something") there would be nothing to keep talking about and nothing to evangelize. Additionally there would be no need to be snarky about "the disbelief" if it were nothing. If "the disbelief" were nothing Camille Paglia would not have had to invent the term Snark Atheism for the atheists who add snark to their evangelizing the nothing they call "the disbelief". So, obviously, the "the disbelief" is "something".
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Post by rational on Sept 4, 2015 10:35:15 GMT -5
How can the disbelief in something be called something? How? When the "disbelief" is evangelized the way it is. If "the disbelief" was nothing ( nothing is the opposite of "something") there would be nothing to keep talking about and nothing to evangelize. Additionally there would be no need to be snarky about "the disbelief" if it were nothing. If "the disbelief" were nothing Camille Paglia would not have had to invent the term Snark Atheism for the atheists who add snark to their evangelizing the nothing they call "the disbelief". So, obviously, the "the disbelief" is "something". I think you will find most of the discussion is not about the disbelief but responding to those who over and over express their belief in the paranormal as fact. And as far as snarky - human nature jumps in at times when you are told for the n th time that you have no moral code. In 60+ years can you imagine how many times I have heard that? Sometime the response can be a little snarky. As far as Camille Paglia, for the most part I am in agreement with her.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Sept 4, 2015 10:52:22 GMT -5
I haven't done that rational. It's pretty dumb for anyone to pretend atheists automatically have no moral code.
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Post by rational on Sept 4, 2015 11:41:06 GMT -5
I haven't done that rational. It's pretty dumb for anyone to pretend atheists automatically have no moral code. I don't believe I said you have. But there are many who have raised the questions as well as others along that line. Sometimes it is difficult to respond in the 'Christian" way!
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Post by SharonArnold on Sept 4, 2015 14:21:45 GMT -5
How? When the "disbelief" is evangelized the way it is. If "the disbelief" was nothing ( nothing is the opposite of "something") there would be nothing to keep talking about and nothing to evangelize. Additionally there would be no need to be snarky about "the disbelief" if it were nothing. If "the disbelief" were nothing Camille Paglia would not have had to invent the term Snark Atheism for the atheists who add snark to their evangelizing the nothing they call "the disbelief". So, obviously, the "the disbelief" is "something". I think you will find most of the discussion is not about the disbelief but responding to those who over and over express their belief in the paranormal as fact. And as far as snarky - human nature jumps in at times when you are told for the n th time that you have no moral code. In 60+ years can you imagine how many times I have heard that? Sometime the response can be a little snarky. This is what puzzles me. Many people who wear the "atheist" label tend to present themselves as a little more evolved and a little more enlightened than the rest of us. I would not argue that. When I first came across the book title "What You Think of Me is None of My Business", it was a huge growing up moment for me. (Still haven't read the book, the title was enough.) I don't completely live this, but I think I make a pretty valiant attempt. Why do you care what other people think of you? Why would you care if someone assumed you had no moral code? Why not just purpose to live to show the opposite?
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Post by rational on Sept 4, 2015 14:58:35 GMT -5
This is what puzzles me. Many people who wear the "atheist" label tend to present themselves as a little more evolved and a little more enlightened than the rest of us. I am not sure how a person would present themselves as more enlightened. That might be a perception issue. In general I do not care what people think of me or my beliefs. I don't care if they think I do not have a moral code but when asked directly I am open to discussion. It happens more than you would think. I have no desire to live my life to show anything to other people. Well, that is not completely true - I spend a lot of time with my grandchildren trying to get them to think about what they are doing and consider the choices they are making. I'd like them to think I was always right but I can see there are some issues with that line of thinking already!
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Post by joanna on Sept 4, 2015 15:16:04 GMT -5
The truism that we are all atheists, given none of us believe in every one of the gods contrived by humans throughout the ages, seems to be avoided. Those of us on this thread who do not believe in a supernatural dimension, have subtracted just one more god from the tally of thousands. The atheist label is a misnomer.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 4, 2015 15:40:45 GMT -5
My daughter had all the symptoms of Wilson's disease when I googled it at the time. Fact. The doc was doing his job scheduling appointments and tests. Fact. It took 18mths to complete the process. Fact. If I ommited to reveal anything because of recalling correct details. That is my mistake. You are offensive dmich. Blatantly nosey and out to prove everybody wrong.
The atheist do have a god its name is atheism. Deny it all you like. It is also known as an anti-christ spirit. That is what I mean, maryhig.
I had asked two questions of Bubbles as to her claim that her "daughter was healed of Wilson's disease." Now, I am portrayed by Bubbles as "nosy," "offensive" and "out to prove everybody wrong."
I'm a nurse. I have seen people healed by medical means but never seen ANYONE healed by "laying on hands" and praying.
What I have seen is that when I attempt to find out the facts underling such claims, many people react much as Bubbles did. They start attacking me.
If they have such a strong faith in their belief in prayer as the answer, it would seem that they shouldn't need to get on the defensive by attacking the questioner.
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