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Post by I am going all the way on Mar 2, 2006 21:58:55 GMT -5
I have given some thought to this whole experience on this Board,and here is what I've come up with...
The TMB is like Satan's playground:the Devil playing with our minds.
if you are here to find faults with the fellowship of the friends and workers,you will find plenty
if you just happen to stumble on to here as I did,you will be "curious",wanting to know what this is all about
You will find enough to rob you and steal some of the joy you once knew.
But nevertheless,I believe there is a reason behind all of this,and that it is a test of "fire" to prove what we are really made of. Precious metals come out even better after the fiery process, but some just yield to the fire and are destroyed.
"Help me see things now,as I'll one day see,when my life ends and I go hence"
Jesus himself said the time is coming when they will neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem worship me,but that The Father is seeking those who worship Him, to worship Him in Spirit and In Truth.
This is what God is seeking from us.We must decide who our allegiance is to. Is it to some man or is it to God? Are we pleasing the crowd or God? We MUST choose.
It is an INDIVIDUAL matter .Can God depend on us? We must listen and obey what God asks of us. To OBEY is better than sacrifice
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Post by sjg on Mar 2, 2006 22:43:12 GMT -5
Yes, this is correct: "The Father IS seeking those who worship Him in Spirit and In Truth." But this 'truth" is NOT referring to the 2 x 2 church!
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Post by spanky on Mar 2, 2006 22:45:52 GMT -5
If what you do and believe is the truth than it should stand up to scrutiny! If it doesn't, and questions remain, don't blame the little red guy on your shoulder, it just may not be true in the first place.
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Post by pity on Mar 3, 2006 7:17:01 GMT -5
You will find enough to rob you and steal some of the joy you once knew. When ignorance is bliss, knowledge is a thief.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2006 8:11:56 GMT -5
I have given some thought to this whole experience on this Board,and here is what I've come up with... The TMB is like Satan's playground:the Devil playing with our minds. if you are here to find faults with the fellowship of the friends and workers,you will find plenty if you just happen to stumble on to here as I did,you will be "curious",wanting to know what this is all about You will find enough to rob you and steal some of the joy you once knew. But nevertheless,I believe there is a reason behind all of this,and that it is a test of "fire" to prove what we are really made of. Precious metals come out even better after the fiery process, but some just yield to the fire and are destroyed. "Help me see things now,as I'll one day see,when my life ends and I go hence" Jesus himself said the time is coming when they will neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem worship me,but that The Father is seeking those who worship Him, to worship Him in Spirit and In Truth. This is what God is seeking from us.We must decide who our allegiance is to. Is it to some man or is it to God? Are we pleasing the crowd or God? We MUST choose. It is an INDIVIDUAL matter .Can God depend on us? We must listen and obey what God asks of us. To OBEY is better than sacrifice One of the most amazing illusions that 2x2 propaganda has succeeded in instilling in the minds of its followers is the dubious virtue in 'going all the way' -regardless the truth or falseness involved -regardless the obvious conflict with Christian spirit -regardless the abundant anti-Christian policies that become compulsory to endorse (and indirectly to support.) regardless of personal conviction. The vow expressed in 'proffessing' to be loyal to group doctrine 'no matter what' is a vow that within the group mindset, is impossible to be relieved from. Any effort to move loyalty to personal conviction instead, is regarded as cult betrayal. 'Proffessing' is not a trivial matter - it is the selling of the birthright we have of a value in personal conviction. Edgar
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Post by Amen on Mar 3, 2006 8:56:37 GMT -5
I have given some thought to this whole experience on this Board,and here is what I've come up with... The TMB is like Satan's playground:the Devil playing with our minds. if you are here to find faults with the fellowship of the friends and workers,you will find plenty if you just happen to stumble on to here as I did,you will be "curious",wanting to know what this is all about You will find enough to rob you and steal some of the joy you once knew. But nevertheless,I believe there is a reason behind all of this,and that it is a test of "fire" to prove what we are really made of. Precious metals come out even better after the fiery process, but some just yield to the fire and are destroyed. "Help me see things now,as I'll one day see,when my life ends and I go hence" Jesus himself said the time is coming when they will neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem worship me,but that The Father is seeking those who worship Him, to worship Him in Spirit and In Truth. This is what God is seeking from us.We must decide who our allegiance is to. Is it to some man or is it to God? Are we pleasing the crowd or God? We MUST choose. It is an INDIVIDUAL matter .Can God depend on us? We must listen and obey what God asks of us. To OBEY is better than sacrifice I believe that most on here that are putting down the fellowship are doing so because they have come trust their own cognative reasoning power instead of listening to the Spirit. Most here are not here to post in a discussion format, it is to prove that they know more than those in the fellowship and they want to change them. They aren't offering any fellowship, but want to release you from the liberty you have in Christ. They only see it as bondage. I came here and started reading for the laughs, and then I had to go pray for them, and I come here now to keep myself humble realizing except for the grace of God working within me, I could be like them.
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Post by towit on Mar 3, 2006 8:59:40 GMT -5
Edgar, in your post you mentioned the 2x2 mindset of "going all the way" in the 2x2 mindset- and thinking for themselves and personal conviction are discouraged. That may be- but it wasn't expressed in the poster's thread.
(Modification- I just noticed the posting was from someone called "GoingAllTheWay"- Sorry Edgar. )
IE- I read the following:
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The poster is PLAINLY stating that they follow Christ and not a 2x2 mindset. Now, I will switch to my own testemony. I TOO plainly say that I follow Christ. I happen to stay in the 2x2 fellowship for the following reason: Love. I can feel the Love of Christ in the meetings and the Holy Spirit's effectual working in the meetings. And in my life. And in my home. I have enjoyed tremendous spiritual blessings. For me to attribute the Holy Spirit's workings as "man made" would be blasephemous for ME.
I realize that you had bad experiences. I can't speak to that- that is your experience. My experience isn't the same. Of course there are problems in the 2x2 way- there are people in it. I can think of what the Lord had to say to the 7 churches in Revelation. He saw PROBLEMS in almost all of them. Including doctrinal problems- and His message was to correct the problems so that they could be found worthy. Most EX's seem to only acknowledge problems in the 2x2 way like all of the other ways are perfect. Evidently they aren't reading the newspaper- ALL religions have problems. And scandals. If that was our criteria for choosing a religion- then may God help us all.
My criteria for knowing if someone follows Christ (regardless of the religion or fellowship), "You shall know by disciples by their love for one another." I feel and see that love- and that is my personal conviction.
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Post by spanky on Mar 3, 2006 9:04:51 GMT -5
I am humbled to be in your presence.
I am not worthy
I am not worthy
I am not worthy
I want to be like Mike!
Three words: Self deception Self rigtheousness Ignorance
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2006 9:39:11 GMT -5
Edgar, in your post you mentioned the 2x2 mindset of "going all the way" in the 2x2 mindset- and thinking for themselves and personal conviction are discouraged. That may be- but it wasn't expressed in the poster's thread. (Modification- I just noticed the posting was from someone called "GoingAllTheWay"- Sorry Edgar. ) IE- I read the following: And The poster is PLAINLY stating that they follow Christ and not a 2x2 mindset. Now, I will switch to my own testemony. I TOO plainly say that I follow Christ. I happen to stay in the 2x2 fellowship for the following reason: Love. I can feel the Love of Christ in the meetings and the Holy Spirit's effectual working in the meetings. And in my life. And in my home. I have enjoyed tremendous spiritual blessings. For me to attribute the Holy Spirit's workings as "man made" would be blasephemous for ME. I realize that you had bad experiences. I can't speak to that- that is your experience. My experience isn't the same. Of course there are problems in the 2x2 way- there are people in it. I can think of what the Lord had to say to the 7 churches in Revelation. He saw PROBLEMS in almost all of them. Including doctrinal problems- and His message was to correct the problems so that they could be found worthy. Most EX's seem to only acknowledge problems in the 2x2 way like all of the other ways are perfect. Evidently they aren't reading the newspaper- ALL religions have problems. And scandals. If that was our criteria for choosing a religion- then may God help us all. My criteria for knowing if someone follows Christ (regardless of the religion or fellowship), "You shall know by disciples by their love for one another." I feel and see that love- and that is my personal conviction. To anyone with any honest perspective of 2x2 teaching -- it becomes obvious that membership loyalty is NOT to the principles of Christian teaching , but rather to the far fetched, dishonest and home-spun doctrine of a few religious fanatics just over a hundred years ago now. The prime points of 2x2 doctrine were NEVER mentioned -- much less ever endorsed in the spirit or teaching of Christ. The all important 2x2 Sunday morning meeting in the home was NEVER EVER mentioned or taught in the teaching of Jesus. The establishment of an institutional ruling class of super Christian administrators - who committ themselves to same-sex companionship and make exclusive claim to the title 'the servants of God' is equally foreign to Christian teaching - These folks claim they have exclusive right to the privelage of ministry -- and they lay exclusive claim to their personal suitability to share the Gospel story with others!!! Few other groups claiming Christianity would cheapen the gospel to the level of teaching that a persons income level is significant as authorization to share the Christian spirit --- and few other groups would have the audacity to claim that worship to God is invalid if it is done in the wrong type of building construction. And the things that Jesus did teach as important are NOT practiced or taught by the 2x2 group (other than by a superficial lip service in a few isolated instances) There are literally thousands of folks who can bear witness to the open and public rejection of the group that claims that love is on its agenda. It is well understood that if you are 'not proffessing' you will be marginalized and declared 'unfit'.. Love??? Hardly!!! Any honest investigation will show that the only folks that they choose to 'love' are those that profess to love them. This is NOT a Christian trait!! Forgivness is a fundemental Christian value --- It is international 2x2 policy to openly express non-forgiveness for the divorced and remarried every single Sunday morning and every single Wednesday evening- The self-righteousness this fosters is unheard of in most other groups. Children are taught from infantcy that they have a special status with God, higher than all the 'outsiders' that they grow up amongst -- and that they need to keep their distance from these less righteous folks , so they don't catch 'worldliness' - a sin that is dripping off their less fortunate school chums!!. Children are taught from infantcy that the workers they meet should be regarded as the sole representatives of God on the earth -- and revered as such. It is a group that is 100% committed to expressing contempt for every other religious idea than their own. How in the world, can a person call this teaching to be 'Christian'? Edgar
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Post by towit on Mar 3, 2006 10:19:46 GMT -5
Edgar,
A few weeks ago I sent one of my good friends, who doesn't profess, he is Baptist, to this site. I asked him to tell me what he thought. That was it. I didn't give him a preamble as to what to expect, etc.
He called me a few days later and his exact words were "Wow, there sure are some bitter people out there." He mentioned you as one of the bitter ones.
The "2x2 fellowship" that you write about wasn't the same 2x2 fellowship that he had experienced in coming with me to meetings and growing up around me and my family and several other of the friends. He attended special meetings and conventions with me over the years as well. For you to call members of the "2x2 fellowship" brainwashed or members of a cult- it is offensive to even our non-professing friends. They love and care for me, just as I love and care for them- whether they be Baptist or Hindu (I actually have a few Hindu friends- but that's a different subject.)
I wish you all the best, Edgar. I realize that your experiences aren't mine- but your anger is getting the better of your judgement- and of course, that is just my opinion.
Sincerely,
towit
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Mar 3, 2006 10:24:31 GMT -5
"They (members of the "2x2 fellowship") love and care for me, just as I love and care for them- whether they be Baptist or Hindu" - towit
In my experience the workers and their friends do care for the baptist and any other churches. They sincerely care that they would heed the call of their God and leave their church and join with the workers and their friends.
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Post by To Towit on Mar 3, 2006 10:43:38 GMT -5
Towit, you didn't address any of the facts Edgar pointed out about the 2x2 religion. Can you honestly, in the depths of your heart, consider any one of them to be untrue?
And you mention the problems in the churches Jesus addressed in Rev. and that Jesus wanted them to correct the problems. You agree that there are problems in the 2x2 religion, but you say nothing about those on this board who are trying to help other people see those problems.
You mention that other religions have problems and that on this board you never see those problems addressed, and because of that you think those who talk against the 2x2 religion think all other religions are perfect. I've seen many times on here where others will point out that there is not going to be a perfect religion anywhere on the face of the earth.
Towit, have you or your friend ever looked up mind-control, or cult, to find out what the characteristics are? It's a pretty revealing study. Do you have the courage to do that, with an open mind?
And to Amen: From what I've seen, most who talk against the 2x2 religion are doing so not because of their own reasonings, but because God's Spirit has enlightened them as to the faults of the religion. They want to help others to see it and encourage them to read their bibles the way the bible was written and not with the added meanings and words inserted into the verses by the 2x2 teachings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2006 11:17:46 GMT -5
Edgar, A few weeks ago I sent one of my good friends, who doesn't profess, he is Baptist, to this site. I asked him to tell me what he thought. That was it. I didn't give him a preamble as to what to expect, etc. He called me a few days later and his exact words were "Wow, there sure are some bitter people out there." He mentioned you as one of the bitter ones. The "2x2 fellowship" that you write about wasn't the same 2x2 fellowship that he had experienced in coming with me to meetings and growing up around me and my family and several other of the friends. He attended special meetings and conventions with me over the years as well. For you to call members of the "2x2 fellowship" brainwashed or members of a cult- it is offensive to even our non-professing friends. They love and care for me, just as I love and care for them- whether they be Baptist or Hindu (I actually have a few Hindu friends- but that's a different subject.) I wish you all the best, Edgar. I realize that your experiences aren't mine- but your anger is getting the better of your judgement- and of course, that is just my opinion. Sincerely, towit Yes towit, your experiences aren't mine -- that is true. However it is rather selfish only take consideration to the treatment that you personally have experienced. That attitude is described in the story of the good Samaritan. The good Samaritan didn't need to be beaten bloody himself, to take on the privelage of standing on the side of the abused. A number of others, including the religiously inclined, obviously decided that " I feel fine" so they choose to ignore the horror of a fellow traveler and just "continued on their way". I have a sister with a daughter in the work that has taken your approach --- "As long as they leave me alone, I can close my eyes to the feeling of others" -- Her feeling is obviously, "I will never happen to me"!!! I hope it doesn't --- ,but what I know is that no-one with personal integrity can go free in the sect in the long run. I feel for my poor sister when 2x2 leadership decides that her daughter isn't worshiping leadership as is expected. In that case there will be a lot of suffering down the road!!!! Edgar Remember 'towit', turning your head and going by on the other side of the road, is only a temporary 'solution' !!
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Post by sjg on Mar 3, 2006 11:45:11 GMT -5
"amen", When you have to point out to others how "humble" you are......you cease to be humble....IMO Some of you see honesty as 'bitterness" because the workers have told you that's how ALL ex-es are, and because you are not willing to examine your own heart and think outside the box, and because group loyalty is far more important that following Jesus.
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Post by Paul Abenroth on Mar 3, 2006 12:24:31 GMT -5
Dear Towit, You wrote:
I think it's time to set the record straight. As a formerly professing person I hereby acknowledge that none of the other ways (denominations) are perfect, and that they all have problems.
Further, I challenge you to find any exes who will deny this. I'd like to meet one.
I also aknowledge that on this particular board it is largely the faults of the 2x2 system that are emphasized and discussed by exes and even by some currently professing people. There is a valid reason for this, namely that no other denominations are the subject of this board. Anyone who wants to focus on the problems of some other denomination would be better served to log into some other discussion board that deals with the problems of that particular denomination.
If one doesn't want to confront or discuss the problems of the 2x2 system, then this is not the board for that person.
Sincerely,
Paul Abenroth
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Post by plainjane on Mar 3, 2006 12:33:23 GMT -5
If and when we see anger in another person, and we criticize that (whether or not we profess, or are Baptists), it oftentimes is something we have judged or condemned in ourselves. Sometimes we can be in complete denial about such, but one thing is certain......
If a person is angry it's because there is a deeper hurt and pain that they feel in their hearts--maybe a pain of feeling betrayed, rejectioned, or abused and anger is the symptom of that pain. Edgar and his family has been badly mistreated and not to acknowledge this is to be in major denial!
When we perceive someone else's pain and we don't run (not walk, run) to their aid, we are like those who see the wounded and glibly cross the road. Binding the the wounds of another takes many forms but one important form is by acknowledging that they have been hurt and abused (as opposed to believing that it's impossible to be hurt in our societies, communities and churches).
Psychological, emotional and spiritual wounds will bleed with anger, hurt, and pain. What will help bind those wounds in ourselves and in others, is having truly loving and genuinely caring, understanding and compassionate people come to their aid. These are those who are Christians in heart, not Christians in belief.
We each may ask ourselves in geniune honesty, what stance do we take when we observe the forthright stories of those who have been abused on this website. How do we feel? What do we do to help?---or make it worse as the case may be... are we truly loving our fellow men, by acknowledging the reasons for those wounds (who hurt, why, how, where)... Or are we criticizing, condemning and defending where there is no reason to defend?
These are questions we each might want to learn the answers to--for our own personal spiritual growth.
Jane
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Post by Amen on Mar 3, 2006 13:04:51 GMT -5
"amen", When you have to point out to others how "humble" you are......you cease to be humble....IMO Some of you see honesty as 'bitterness" because the workers have told you that's how ALL ex-es are, and because you are not willing to examine your own heart and think outside the box, and because group loyalty is far more important that following Jesus. Excuse Me??? Where did I point out that I was humble? I am outside the box, and support the workers and fellowship in every way possible, and discuss any time I get a chance the things I feel should be changed. I ask questions often, but don't expect them to answer on some questions until they have given it some thought and even prayer. Experiences shape our perceptions, which sometimes can cause us to see things a lot different than they are. I feel this has a lot to do with how most here come up with these weird far out accusations. Others like I said are just caught up in their own knowledge and reasonings.
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Post by whatever on Mar 3, 2006 13:15:56 GMT -5
To "Amen", ..and I come here now to keep myself humble realizing except for the grace of God working within me, I could be like them." You must have just finished reading Luke 18:11!!! Only, you didn't quite memorize the line right. It goes: "God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. "... But --your attitude was perfect!!! Now, go give yourself another pat on the back; and any time you want a cheap entertainment (at the cost of those who once loved this way--and believed and followed it) just grab your bowl of popcorn and drop right it!
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Post by as i c it on Mar 3, 2006 14:25:50 GMT -5
Okay, "Amen", And what about those who come to this board with their solid accusations? Or those who come here with scriptural knowledge and state the truth found in them...(even when it doesn't uphold "our doctrinal beliefs"?)
Luke 10:27 "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all they heart, and with all thy soul, and with all they strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself."
Many on this board see the wrong (and the right) within our church. And many are trying to obey those two commandments by their postings. Your first posting seemed to make light of others pain . (It's "painful" to see unsound doctrine: painful to even "have to" speak "against " what you love: and there are individuals --like Las, and Edgar, etc. -who are still "in pain"--because of two different issues. Las, because he found out the true history: Edgar, because he trusted a "wonged matter" would be made right. In your second posting, you mentioned you do see "wrong": and you do speak to the workers about it. And --what happened??? Did it have any effect??? Many who are speaking out here have discovered that speaking out against wrongs had no effect, and resulted in no changes taking place. So: what are their choices? Stay silent and just accept/allow/ the wrongs to continue unhindered: leave: or speak out here--with the hopes that others will see: hear: and "join in the fight"--for the good of our faith and those in the fellowship? (Your first posting and your second posting reflect two different attitudes. With the second one giving us a very different picture of you. So--good luck with your "fight" for truth.
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Post by BC on Mar 3, 2006 15:43:25 GMT -5
As i see it, That is as i saw it also. And I think this is a problem within our fellowship (as in others) that people are unable to get their thoughts together in a clear and concise manner and verbalize/write them in one go. This leaves listeners/readers with the wrong impression or in a confused state when the speaker/writer then reiterates bringing a completely different slant on what they have already said/written. This can give the impression that the person is wishy washy or has no real idea of where they stand or their real convictions.
Hope you understand where I'm coming from "Amen", not criticizing but just saying "say what you mean and mean what you say" If you don't get what I mean I'll reiterate later and try and confuse you.
[shadow=red,left,300]Regards BC[/shadow]
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Post by spiderman on Mar 3, 2006 17:02:34 GMT -5
First of all, I applaud Edgar and Paul for being able to express profound and accurate answers to doubters who say this is the only true way and that they stay because of "love" and the "spirit". They'll never know how far that love extends until they disagree with exclusivity and some of the "weird and far out" rules and regulations that people have heaped up in this "true way" of God. Among these weird and far out things that turns my stomach is the claim that we are the "one true way" on the face of the earth. Sure other churches have problems, and like Paul already stated we're not addressing those problems here. Duh! But we're no better than any one of them, no more saved or no more blessed or unblessed by God. I think Edgar's post could not have been more on the money. Of course an outsider would view Edgar, me, Paul, Zorro, Dennis, Cherie, any number of us as bitter. But, alas, they don't know the whole story, and neither does Amen or Towit. I can feel love from a lot of the friends and workers now, and I know that after I leave some of them will still love me and welcome me into their homes. Some won't. I understand too , why they won't. I don't have bones to pick with people. Just the system. And, for you who keep asking me why I stay in meetings for now, I'll say it one more time, it's none of your business. Paul and Edgar and "to towit" I'm so glad you're here.
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Post by happy on Mar 3, 2006 20:07:33 GMT -5
deep deep deep subject for a shallow shallow shallow mind.... ;D
If you lower your bucket a little deeper, you'll hit water.
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Post by Nichole M on Mar 3, 2006 22:30:19 GMT -5
If and when we see anger in another person, and we criticize that (whether or not we profess, or are Baptists), it oftentimes is something we have judged or condemned in ourselves. Sometimes we can be in complete denial about such, but one thing is certain...... If a person is angry it's because there is a deeper hurt and pain that they feel in their hearts--maybe a pain of feeling betrayed, rejectioned, or abused and anger is the symptom of that pain. Edgar and his family has been badly mistreated and not to acknowledge this is to be in major denial! When we perceive someone else's pain and we don't run (not walk, run) to their aid, we are like those who see the wounded and glibly cross the road. Binding the the wounds of another takes many forms but one important form is by acknowledging that they have been hurt and abused (as opposed to believing that it's impossible to be hurt in our societies, communities and churches). Psychological, emotional and spiritual wounds will bleed with anger, hurt, and pain. What will help bind those wounds in ourselves and in others, is having truly loving and genuinely caring, understanding and compassionate people come to their aid. These are those who are Christians in heart, not Christians in belief. We each may ask ourselves in geniune honesty, what stance do we take when we observe the forthright stories of those who have been abused on this website. How do we feel? What do we do to help?---or make it worse as the case may be... are we truly loving our fellow men, by acknowledging the reasons for those wounds (who hurt, why, how, where)... Or are we criticizing, condemning and defending where there is no reason to defend? These are questions we each might want to learn the answers to--for our own personal spiritual growth. Jane Well said
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Post by Amen on Mar 4, 2006 11:20:54 GMT -5
(Your first posting and your second posting reflect two different attitudes. With the second one giving us a very different picture of you. So--good luck with your "fight" for truth. Both of my postings are reflecting the same attitude and picture. Perfect example of people drawing conclusions about someone on a simple statement. Don't think that is right. When one expounds on it, you then see a little differently where they are coming from. Except God's grace keep me, I could become hurt, angry, obsessed with the wrongs of others, and loose the peace and liberty his Spirit has given me.
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Post by well on Mar 4, 2006 14:34:35 GMT -5
Friends,
It all comes down to spiritual maturity-the way we react to our situations.
Most will find the answers are REALLY found IN YOU.
Have you seen an angry child's reaction to a problem? And have you seen a mature adult's response to the same problem?
It all has to do with where you are at in your spiritual journey with God,whether you are walking in the flesh,or walking in the Spirit. Simple as that.
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Post by Simple as that on Mar 4, 2006 14:41:21 GMT -5
Friends, It all comes down to spiritual maturity-the way we react to our situations. Most will find the answers are REALLY found IN YOU. Have you seen an angry child's reaction to a problem? And have you seen a mature adult's response to the same problem? It all has to do with where you are at in your spiritual journey with God,whether you are walking in the flesh,or walking in the Spirit. Simple as that. Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
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Post by GARY w on Mar 4, 2006 17:40:14 GMT -5
The Holy Spirit is quite capable of challenging our thinking,our tendency to like status quo religion,etc.It is not always satan who brings doubt to our experience!The expression of bitter feelings and the realization of being lied to are not unhealthy- they can lead us to seek the Comforter and commune with God.I speak from experience in my life that the teachings and expectations of the F/W fellowship were not biblical and at times ridiculous!God has used many avenues to faithfully reveal His Truth to me-the brainwashing is hard to overcome and I was slow to waken.Thank God for His revelation of Grace and Truth to me.
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Post by I love it on Mar 4, 2006 18:31:37 GMT -5
Amen Wrote:
I just love the attitudes of some on this board... and the above quote is so typical of those who think "I am right and they are wrong". The "better than you" and "holier than thou" bunch.
I really feel for those of you who express feelings like that that you are so clueless.
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