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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 13:44:57 GMT -5
Goodness me. Please don't tell me you actually saw someone's leg grow back after it had been cut off? Matt10 Lol..nope. From memory the lady had one leg shorter than the other. The pastor who often prayed for bad backs prayed for her. Of course not. God doesn't heal severed limbs. The question for the inquisitive believer is why God heals so many bad backs but never a severed limb. I could probably live with a bad back; I'd struggle more with a missing right arm or a missing left leg so you'd think healing a severed limb would be much more important. God and his mysterious ways. If your God could only restore a leg blown off in a bomb blast, or an arm severed by a chain saw, or a head chopped off by passing train, I would start to believe in Him. But He can't. Not even a foot or a hand. There were tens of thousands of service men who lost limbs in the First World War and do you know how many God healed? None. Spiffing. It wouldn't matter how hard you prayed or how much laying on of hands took place, God couldn't even restore the missing half of your little finger should you be unfortunate enough to lose it in an accident. It surely makes all but the most fervent believer start to wonder if it really is God who heals bad backs or is there an alternative plausible explanation. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 15:01:47 GMT -5
Rational, one should never assume anything when it comes to gods. I assumed that maryhig believed in the Christian God but now she appears to be saying that she believes in a God for all which if I have understood it correctly had both a resurrected son named Jesus and a prophet named Mohammad. You can see why clarity is important when it comes to gods. By the way pay no attention to my use of the upper and lower case g in the word God. My spell checker seems insistent on making the g in god a G to the point where I have given up on issues around consistency. I think this may be a theist plot by the software designers which I am thinking of writing to them about. Next to your use of the term 'entity'. I'm afraid I may have to request that you define that as well. I looked up entity and there are at least two very different definitions and I'm not at all sure which one you are intending to use here. I fear that in your enthusiasm to jump on anything that might challenge your lifelong belief that none of the umpteenillion gods that people claim to believe exist actually exist, that you may have become careless in your terminology. I do understand that having ones lifelong beliefs about gods challenged can be quite traumatic although it wasn't personally for me. I was just relieved. Finding out that you aren't going to hell after all is such a good thing. Finally as to maryhigs God, I believe she believes in a theoretical God. Theoretical gods are great. Theoretical gods can be anything you want. All seeing, all knowing, all powerful, loving, caring, justice serving just add to the list whatever attributes you like. I always found the god of the bible a particularly nasty piece of work. Maryhig seems to me to have taken the best bits of the biblical God and got rid of the awful stuff. In short she has made her God up. And why not? Most of the best gods throughout history have been made up. Matt10 @matt10, The question isn't how I define a god, paranormal entity, or even an entity. I just wanted to know how you could support: I do agree with you however that life does indeed show that God exists but I'm afraid that the God which it shows exists is my God of Nature rather than your Christian God.You know your god/entity/or whatever you want to call it. I was looking for an explanation of how life shows that your god/entity/or whatever you want to call it exists. I assume your explanation will make the definition of your god/entity/or whatever you want to call it clear. On dear. You're assuming again. As I said previously, one should never assume anything when it comes to gods. Clearly you're not paying any attention whatsoever to anything I am saying. That said, I like to think of my God as a life force. When the I notice the grass growing (as opposed to a leg growing) I know that a life force exists. I hope that provides what might be considered an explanation. Matt10
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Post by bubbles on Aug 31, 2015 18:10:30 GMT -5
Lol..nope. From memory the lady had one leg shorter than the other. The pastor who often prayed for bad backs prayed for her. Of course not. God doesn't heal severed limbs. The question for the inquisitive believer is why God heals so many bad backs but never a severed limb. I could probably live with a bad back; I'd struggle more with a missing right arm or a missing left leg so you'd think healing a severed limb would be much more important. God and his mysterious ways. If your God could only restore a leg blown off in a bomb blast, or an arm severed by a chain saw, or a head chopped off by passing train, I would start to believe in Him. But He can't. Not even a foot or a hand. There were tens of thousands of service men who lost limbs in the First World War and do you know how many God healed? None. Spiffing. It wouldn't matter how hard you prayed or how much laying on of hands took place, God couldn't even restore the missing half of your little finger should you be unfortunate enough to lose it in an accident. It surely makes all but the most fervent believer start to wonder if it really is God who heals bad backs or is there an alternative plausible explanation. Matt10 I dont know the answer to severed limbs. That wont stop me from praying for the sick. When the scripture tells us that Jesus Christ came to heal. When J daughter was 10yr diagnosed needed heart surgery .about to have heart surgery. (The surgeons go there for 3 wk increments work at a time. From Oz and NZ.. )They drove to the hospital to admit her. Outside in the doorway stood the local witchdoctor. J and the grandma had had dreams about it. J decided not to take his daughter that day. We broke the curse of the witchdoctor and his daughters heart is now healthy and strong. 6yr later.
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Post by rational on Aug 31, 2015 22:18:34 GMT -5
You do wrong when you group people in the same box. Thats like grouping radical jjhadist with ordinary moslem people. No, it is like grouping people who claim they can lengthen legs with the frauds who claim they can lengthen legs. I look at the situation you present, look at the other possibilities, and usually can discover an answer. Reality is that piece of dirt. You don't like it because it points out the reality of situations. I rely on the experience of people who have been proven to be very good in their fields. I am easily fooled by card tricks and slight of hand. I love close-up magic. But when someone claims to lengthen a leg of make cancer go away by chasing the demon causing it out of the body I turn to those who have training in that field. Other slight of hand artists can spot tricks. People like Penn and Teller look at magic as entertainment and point out the frauds. James Randi exposed the spoon bending on national TV. Very true. Without faith your belief in god fails so pleasing a non-entity would be the least of your issues. I knock it when you call it fact. Me personally? Nothing because I never bought the god myth. But thousands have been harmed by being led to believe that their ills can be cured by some divine power when there has never been any case of this happening. Children, from a very early age, are taught if they sin they will be sent to hell. That is the problem of reality vs. faith.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 31, 2015 23:16:24 GMT -5
I didn't suggest that it is difficult for you to speak, only that if you didn't answer just two simple questions why didn't you?
"Had your daughter been diagnosed as having Wilson's disease?" "What symptoms did she have?"
I am a nurse & I think these two questions is apt!
Perhaps prayer "is an automatic response" for you, but that doesn't mean the prayer was what healed her! One more question that you may not want to answer.
"Did your daughter have medical treatment for her disease?"
I know you are a nurse. Some of the symptoms were vomiting pain nausea. Doc suspected Wilsons disease. There were many blood tests spaced apart. Months later a liver biopsy revealed a fatty liver. Ruling out Wilsons disease. No medication. She began taking milk thistle. It was 18mths before she was told there was no Wilsons disease. During which time we believed for a good report. Her liver is healthy.
Now you say the doctor only suspected Wilsons disease! Now you say that Wilsons disease was ruled out!
You originally said that, "My daughter healed of wilsons disease."
Damn, -sure is nice to be be able to heal people of a disease they don't even have!
Geeze, Even I could heal people of things they never had!
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Post by rational on Aug 31, 2015 23:23:31 GMT -5
No medication. She began taking milk thistle. Wouldn't milk thistle qualify as a medicine? Although since some samples have been found to be high in copper it would seem counterproductive.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 31, 2015 23:46:08 GMT -5
You do wrong when you group people in the same box. Thats like grouping radical jjhadist with ordinary moslem people. The pastor only took wages and was not like a telly evangelist. When the lady asked for prayer he simply did his job. I dislike the way your attitude is so critical judgemental and you always think you are right. The way the atheists judge christians on this site shows me what it could end up like in the market place for christians in the future. Lumping all christians with a few. Scathing comments. Nasty attotudes. When people do good for humanity. Instead of seeing it as good and accepting that. Atheists look for any piece of dirt always relying on another persons quote. Rarely from their own life experience.Without faith we cant please god. You knock faith every opportunity. Why? Disagreed?
Then when we answer your questions you say. Im trying to understand. Fwiw I question that simply because you will never understand without faith. Just because I, as an atheist, -am trying to get to the truth of a matter doesn't mean that I am putting all people of a religion in one box!
I do not "judge Christians!" In fact it would seem that by saying that it an atheists that "make scathing comments" & have "Nasty attitudes" that it is yourself judging us!
And I don't see how "people do good for humanity" by being a fraud and misleading people; whether it is a TV evangelist or your pastor! It isn't looking for a "piece of dirt" when we are only trying to get at the truth of a matter!
How do you know it isn't my "own life experience?" What have Christians ever done to me? Just led me on a wild goose chase for too much of my life!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 0:11:28 GMT -5
Of course not. God doesn't heal severed limbs. The question for the inquisitive believer is why God heals so many bad backs but never a severed limb. I could probably live with a bad back; I'd struggle more with a missing right arm or a missing left leg so you'd think healing a severed limb would be much more important. God and his mysterious ways. If your God could only restore a leg blown off in a bomb blast, or an arm severed by a chain saw, or a head chopped off by passing train, I would start to believe in Him. But He can't. Not even a foot or a hand. There were tens of thousands of service men who lost limbs in the First World War and do you know how many God healed? None. Spiffing. It wouldn't matter how hard you prayed or how much laying on of hands took place, God couldn't even restore the missing half of your little finger should you be unfortunate enough to lose it in an accident. It surely makes all but the most fervent believer start to wonder if it really is God who heals bad backs or is there an alternative plausible explanation. Matt10 I dont know the answer to severed limbs. That wont stop me from praying for the sick. When the scripture tells us that Jesus Christ came to heal. When J daughter was 10yr diagnosed needed heart surgery .about to have heart surgery. (The surgeons go there for 3 wk increments work at a time. From Oz and NZ.. )They drove to the hospital to admit her. Outside in the doorway stood the local witchdoctor. J and the grandma had had dreams about it. J decided not to take his daughter that day. We broke the curse of the witchdoctor and his daughters heart is now healthy and strong. 6yr later. I've already given you the answer re severed limbs but you don't appear to be willing to accept it because (I suspect) your fervent belief in an all powerful God doesn't allow you to accept limitations in the power of your God even if the evidence is overwhelming. It seems to me that you don't look at the evidence and then decide on the nature of God; you have already decided on the nature of your God and if the evidence clearly calls into question your claim that your God answers prayers you have to ignore it because to do otherwise would create havoc with your belief in your God. I think it might be useful to start constructing a list of ailments which God can heal through prayer and those which he cannot. So far in the former we have underdeveloped lungs, bad backs, Wilson's disease and heart malfunctions. In the latter we have severed arms, legs, feet, hands, toes, fingers, ears and heads. The question for you therefore remains why can/does your God heal some ailments as a result of prayer while others He can/does not? Could it be that God only heals ailments for which other explanations for their healing are possible? Matt10
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Post by bubbles on Sept 1, 2015 0:50:11 GMT -5
I know you are a nurse. Some of the symptoms were vomiting pain nausea. Doc suspected Wilsons disease. There were many blood tests spaced apart. Months later a liver biopsy revealed a fatty liver. Ruling out Wilsons disease. No medication. She began taking milk thistle. It was 18mths before she was told there was no Wilsons disease. During which time we believed for a good report. Her liver is healthy.
Now you say the doctor only suspected Wilsons disease! Now you say that Wilsons disease was ruled out!
You originally said that, "My daughter healed of wilsons disease."
Damn, -sure is nice to be be able to heal people of a disease they don't even have!
Geeze, Even I could heal people of things they never had!
I did write a long post. Lost the lot. Ya know what? Sarcasm is entirely unnecessary. Very unbecoming. So is being down right nasty. True to form as usual D.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 1, 2015 1:36:40 GMT -5
Now you say the doctor only suspected Wilsons disease! Now you say that Wilsons disease was ruled out!
You originally said that, "My daughter healed of wilsons disease."
Damn, -sure is nice to be be able to heal people of a disease they don't even have!
Geeze, Even I could heal people of things they never had!
I did write a long post . Lost the lot. Ya know what? Sarcasm is entirely unnecessary. Very unbecoming. So is being down right nasty. True to form as usual D. Maybe you see "sarcasm" as "unnecessary," "unbecoming" or "nasty," but I do get somewhat p**sed off when someone makes a statement & then backs out of it later & then blames the person for showing them up!
You did make the statement, "My daughter healed of wilsons disease." All you have to do to see your own post is to go to your profile & pull up your posts!
You seem to be true to form lately in judging people in the worst terms possible.
Good Night!
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Post by bubbles on Sept 1, 2015 6:45:01 GMT -5
I did write a long post . Lost the lot. Ya know what? Sarcasm is entirely unnecessary. Very unbecoming. So is being down right nasty. True to form as usual D. Maybe you see "sarcasm" as "unnecessary," "unbecoming" or "nasty," but I do get somewhat p**sed off when someone makes a statement & then backs out of it later & then blames the person for showing them up!
You did make the statement, "My daughter healed of wilsons disease." All you have to do to see your own post is to go to your profile & pull up your posts!
You seem to be true to form lately in judging people in the worst terms possible.
Good Night!
Seriously when your child comes to you telling they may have Wilsons disease. Doctor was going to investigate via blood tests etc. Id never heard of this disease. I looked it up and frankly freeked! I comforted her by saying to her lets not focus on the disease lets believe for God's healing power. She agreed. From that moment I didnt allow myself the luxury of dwelling on it. I prayed lifted her up to God, prayed the prayer of faith. Then stood on the prayer. She knew there would be a series of tests that needed measured time between tests. After the liver biopsy which was a painful proceedure. She was told she was disease free. It took 18mths. I was so relieved I adore my daughter. She has been the most beautiful person all her life. Of course I am going to give credit to god for answer ed prayer. I dont care what you think D. I just think the way you measure people twist words looking for a chink. I get that you hate for what I believe I just dont think it necessary to try to prove people wrong because they dont think the way you do. You dont have to believe a word I say. Nastiness will get a reaction from me. Struth at least I converse with you. And before you say anything about her agreeing with me. She grew up surrounded by strong christian leaders who regularly prayed for others. The anointing power of god is normal for her.
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Post by matisse on Sept 1, 2015 8:29:31 GMT -5
What is good enough to "prove" the existence of god to a believer will not necessarily constitute "proof" for another. In this regard, it is unreasonable for believers to expect an atheist to give them or their god any benefit of the doubt.
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Post by matisse on Sept 1, 2015 10:53:25 GMT -5
Ive told my daughters account in the past im not going to repeat it. Bubbles, I tried searching for your account of your daughter and was unable to find it. Do you know about how long ago you posted it? Was it under the name "bubbles"?
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 1, 2015 13:50:00 GMT -5
Maybe you see "sarcasm" as "unnecessary," "unbecoming" or "nasty," but I do get somewhat p**sed off when someone makes a statement & then backs out of it later & then blames the person for showing them up!
You did make the statement, "My daughter healed of wilsons disease." All you have to do to see your own post is to go to your profile & pull up your posts!
You seem to be true to form lately in judging people in the worst terms possible.
Good Night!
Seriously when your child comes to you telling they may have Wilsons disease. Doctor was going to investigate via blood tests etc. Id never heard of this disease. I looked it up and frankly freeked! I comforted her by saying to her lets not focus on the disease lets believe for God's healing power. She agreed. From that moment I didnt allow myself the luxury of dwelling on it. I prayed lifted her up to God, prayed the prayer of faith. Then stood on the prayer. She knew there would be a series of tests that needed measured time between tests. After the liver biopsy which was a painful proceedure. She was told she was disease free. It took 18mths. I was so relieved I adore my daughter. She has been the most beautiful person all her life. Of course I am going to give credit to god for answer ed prayer. I dont care what you think D. I just think the way you measure people twist words looking for a chink.
I get that you hate for what I believe I just dont think it necessary to try to prove people wrong because they dont think the way you do.
You dont have to believe a word I say. Nastiness will get a reaction from me.Struth at least I converse with you. And before you say anything about her agreeing with me. She grew up surrounded by strong christian leaders who regularly prayed for others. The anointing power of god is normal for her. That is what I mean about judging other people, especially if they are an atheist.
You say they "twist" words & look for a "chink." Tell me what words I "twisted?"
You judge me by saying that I "hate" what you believe and again accuse me of "nastiness" all because I just wanted to get to what really happened.
I don't "hate" what you believe.
However, If one were to take everyone's belief at face value as true without any attempt to find what was really true, -we would all be so confused because there are so many conflicting beliefs in the world.
That is where some of us have realized that we need to use some critical thinking to separate the wheat from the chaff.
AND if no one ever tried to get at what was really the crux of a problem, -humanity would still be living in caves.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 1, 2015 17:26:09 GMT -5
Ive told my daughters account in the past im not going to repeat it. Bubbles, I tried searching for your account of your daughter and was unable to find it. Do you know about how long ago you posted it? Was it under the name "bubbles"? It wouldnt have been under bubbles. Ive been using this name about a yr I think. Probably just part of another thread.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 1, 2015 17:32:14 GMT -5
Dmich You need to take a good look at how christians are spoken to on this site. Why do you think so many good beautiful people have left? I dislike with an intensity anyone acting pedantic and systems orientated turning my own words against me. Simply because I can be a dizzy blonde. When my intentions are good. Then people expect us to turn the other cheek?
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Post by rational on Sept 1, 2015 22:04:25 GMT -5
Seriously when your child comes to you telling they may have Wilsons disease. Doctor was going to investigate via blood tests etc. Id never heard of this disease. I looked it up and frankly freeked! I comforted her by saying to her lets not focus on the disease lets believe for God's healing power. She agreed. From that moment I didnt allow myself the luxury of dwelling on it. I prayed lifted her up to God, prayed the prayer of faith. Then stood on the prayer. She knew there would be a series of tests that needed measured time between tests. After the liver biopsy which was a painful proceedure. She was told she was disease free. It took 18mths. I was so relieved I adore my daughter. She has been the most beautiful person all her life. Of course I am going to give credit to god for answer ed prayer. I dont care what you think D. I just think the way you measure people twist words looking for a chink. I get that you hate for what I believe I just dont think it necessary to try to prove people wrong because they dont think the way you do. You dont have to believe a word I say. Nastiness will get a reaction from me. Struth at least I converse with you. And before you say anything about her agreeing with me. She grew up surrounded by strong christian leaders who regularly prayed for others. The anointing power of god is normal for her. I believe everything you said. The Dr suggested that your daughter had Wilson's disease. Later it was determined that she did not have Wilson's disease. A simple case of misdiagnosis. It sounds like it was the results of a series of errors and misunderstandings. The most of the tests, with the exception of the liver biopsy, are rather straight forward and do not require long waits between tests. Did the slit-lamp exam show anything? I also believe you prayed and did a lot of spiritual things during the time. This is what I meant by selection bias. You see this as god healing your daughter of Wilson's disease - god answered your prayer. I see it as you asking god to heal your daughter of Wilson's disease and, after the liver biopsy, it was clear that Wilson's disease was not a factor so there was nothing to heal. You see it as a miracle. I see it, as related by you, as being close to medical malpractice.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 22:31:58 GMT -5
Seriously when your child comes to you telling they may have Wilsons disease. Doctor was going to investigate via blood tests etc. Id never heard of this disease. I looked it up and frankly freeked! I comforted her by saying to her lets not focus on the disease lets believe for God's healing power. She agreed. From that moment I didnt allow myself the luxury of dwelling on it. I prayed lifted her up to God, prayed the prayer of faith. Then stood on the prayer. She knew there would be a series of tests that needed measured time between tests. After the liver biopsy which was a painful proceedure. She was told she was disease free. It took 18mths. I was so relieved I adore my daughter. She has been the most beautiful person all her life. Of course I am going to give credit to god for answer ed prayer. I dont care what you think D. I just think the way you measure people twist words looking for a chink. I get that you hate for what I believe I just dont think it necessary to try to prove people wrong because they dont think the way you do. You dont have to believe a word I say. Nastiness will get a reaction from me. Struth at least I converse with you. And before you say anything about her agreeing with me. She grew up surrounded by strong christian leaders who regularly prayed for others. The anointing power of god is normal for her. I believe everything you said. The Dr suggested that your daughter had Wilson's disease. Later it was determined that she did not have Wilson's disease. A simple case of misdiagnosis. It sounds like it was the results of a series of errors and misunderstandings. The most of the tests, with the exception of the liver biopsy, are rather straight forward and do not require long waits between tests. Did the slit-lamp exam show anything? I also believe you prayed and did a lot of spiritual things during the time. This is what I meant by selection bias. You see this as god healing your daughter of Wilson's disease - god answered your prayer. I see it as you asking god to heal your daughter of Wilson's disease and, after the liver biopsy, it was clear that Wilson's disease was not a factor so there was nothing to heal. You see it as a miracle. I see it, as related by you, as being close to medical malpractice. you can't know that for certain rational you'd only be guessing which seems outa character for you...
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Post by bubbles on Sept 1, 2015 23:01:46 GMT -5
Seriously when your child comes to you telling they may have Wilsons disease. Doctor was going to investigate via blood tests etc. Id never heard of this disease. I looked it up and frankly freeked! I comforted her by saying to her lets not focus on the disease lets believe for God's healing power. She agreed. From that moment I didnt allow myself the luxury of dwelling on it. I prayed lifted her up to God, prayed the prayer of faith. Then stood on the prayer. She knew there would be a series of tests that needed measured time between tests. After the liver biopsy which was a painful proceedure. She was told she was disease free. It took 18mths. I was so relieved I adore my daughter. She has been the most beautiful person all her life. Of course I am going to give credit to god for answer ed prayer. I dont care what you think D. I just think the way you measure people twist words looking for a chink. I get that you hate for what I believe I just dont think it necessary to try to prove people wrong because they dont think the way you do. You dont have to believe a word I say. Nastiness will get a reaction from me. Struth at least I converse with you. And before you say anything about her agreeing with me. She grew up surrounded by strong christian leaders who regularly prayed for others. The anointing power of god is normal for her. I believe everything you said. The Dr suggested that your daughter had Wilson's disease. Later it was determined that she did not have Wilson's disease. A simple case of misdiagnosis. It sounds like it was the results of a series of errors and misunderstandings. The most of the tests, with the exception of the liver biopsy, are rather straight forward and do not require long waits between tests. Did the slit-lamp exam show anything? I also believe you prayed and did a lot of spiritual things during the time. This is what I meant by selection bias. You see this as god healing your daughter of Wilson's disease - god answered your prayer. I see it as you asking god to heal your daughter of Wilson's disease and, after the liver biopsy, it was clear that Wilson's disease was not a factor so there was nothing to heal. You see it as a miracle. I see it, as related by you, as being close to medical malpractice. Gee you have b... to suggest her doc is guilty of malpractice. Maybe I should invite her here. Hmm..Now that could be entertaining. Not forgetting her profession.
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Post by rational on Sept 2, 2015 0:03:36 GMT -5
you can't know that for certain rational you'd only be guessing which seems outa character for you... You are right. I am taking bubbles at her word. I have no reason to doubt what she posted. Which of the statements did you conclude were just guessing?
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 2, 2015 0:27:16 GMT -5
Dmich You need to take a good look at how christians are spoken to on this site. Why do you think so many good beautiful people have left? I dislike with an intensity anyone acting pedantic and systems orientated turning my own words against me. Simply because I can be a dizzy blonde. When my intentions are good. Then people expect us to turn the other cheek? Bubbles,
Perhaps you should take a look at how some professed Christians have spoken to me on this site. I haven't been turning your own words against you. Mostly I have simply been asking you questions.
Perhaps it makes you re-think your assumptions in order to answer the questions & that is what you dislike. Perhaps your "many good beautiful people have left" because they themselves have re-thought some of their assumptions and some kind of light bulb has gone off in how they see things.
You don't like systems(?) oriented or do you mean factual accounts? Why should it matter what your intentions are? Aren't your intentions to post what is factual?
PS: Sorry, I wasn't aware that you were a dizzy blonde.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 2, 2015 0:35:54 GMT -5
I believe everything you said. The Dr suggested that your daughter had Wilson's disease. Later it was determined that she did not have Wilson's disease. A simple case of misdiagnosis. It sounds like it was the results of a series of errors and misunderstandings. The most of the tests, with the exception of the liver biopsy, are rather straight forward and do not require long waits between tests. Did the slit-lamp exam show anything? I also believe you prayed and did a lot of spiritual things during the time. This is what I meant by selection bias. You see this as god healing your daughter of Wilson's disease - god answered your prayer. I see it as you asking god to heal your daughter of Wilson's disease and, after the liver biopsy, it was clear that Wilson's disease was not a factor so there was nothing to heal. You see it as a miracle. I see it, as related by you, as being close to medical malpractice. Gee you have b... to suggest her doc is guilty of malpractice. Maybe I should invite her here. Hmm..Now that could be entertaining. Not forgetting her profession. Perhaps it was more that the doctor was simply trying to prepare your daughter for what the symptoms might suggest. The doctors are more apt to do this these days in order to put the patient into the picture so that they can be a more active participant in their own health care.
Gone, -thank goodness, -are the days when the doctor seemed to have all the control over the decision making and we were just expected to accept what they said.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 0:40:08 GMT -5
Quote - "Gone, -thank goodness, -are the days when the doctor seemed to have all the control over the decision making and we were just expected to accept what they said."
We in Australia have a few babies died by "home birth" quacks who call maternity birthing "birth rape." Our incidents of whooping cough, measles and the like is going through the roof due to Anti-Vaccination idiots. A friend of mine died taking carrot juice instead of radiotherapy and chemotherapy. And on and on it goes.
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Post by rational on Sept 2, 2015 0:58:35 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 2, 2015 2:11:18 GMT -5
Quote - "Gone, -thank goodness, -are the days when the doctor seemed to have all the control over the decision making and we were just expected to accept what they said." We in Australia have a few babies died by "home birth"quacks who call maternity birthing "birth rape." Our incidents of whooping cough, measles and the like is going through the roof due to Anti-Vaccination idiots. A friend of mine died taking carrot juice instead of radiotherapy and chemotherapy. And on and on it goes. What has this got to do with my statement? What I said doesn't mean that I don't believe that medical science should be ignored! I'm a nurse.
However, I remember the days when doctors didn't even want a person to get a second opinion. They considered it affront to them. Now, if you have a question about their diagnosis they encourage you to get a second opinion
Midwives can do just as good a job of delivering a baby as any doctor. They work with a physician & they are doing a great job here in the US, -sorry about your country.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 2, 2015 4:43:23 GMT -5
Gee you have b... to suggest her doc is guilty of malpractice. Maybe I should invite her here. Hmm..Now that could be entertaining. Not forgetting her profession. Perhaps it was more that the doctor was simply trying to prepare your daughter for what the symptoms might suggest. The doctors are more apt to do this these days in order to put the patient into the picture so that they can be a more active participant in their own health care.
Gone, -thank goodness, -are the days when the doctor seemed to have all the control over the decision making and we were just expected to accept what they said.
I just clarified with her this evening. The tests were MRI with nuclear drink?? Scans. Ultra sound. Gastostrophy and liver biopsy last.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 2, 2015 4:54:03 GMT -5
you can't know that for certain rational you'd only be guessing which seems outa character for you... You are right. I am taking bubbles at her word. I have no reason to doubt what she posted. Which of the statements did you conclude were just guessing? Doctor rational What has a slit lamp test to do with wilsons disease. ( it wasnt the eyeball it was the liver) The answer is no.
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Post by rational on Sept 2, 2015 11:01:40 GMT -5
Doctor rational What has a slit lamp test to do with wilsons disease. ( it wasnt the eyeball it was the liver) >:( The answer is no. And the fact that the doctor did not use that simple slit lamp test would be a reason to question the process. A slit lamp is a good tool to identify a Kayser-Fleischer ring where the cornea meets the sclera, around the iris, so to speak. It indicates copper deposits and is a quick, easy, painless way to look for Wilson’s disease. Approximately 95% of people with Wilson's disease will have this ring. With Wilson's disease the copper doesn't only accumulate in the liver. This is one of the times when chelation therapy might actually work. And it sometimes makes very interesting looking eyes! Now you know so the next time you will have no need for such a condescending reply!
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