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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2023 15:51:28 GMT -5
The overseer that was moved to AB is no longer an overseer but is still in the work. We wish the AB brothers would reach out to get the information because the brothers in AB probably haven't been told the extent of damage that he has done or even what it means to his victims for him to still be in the work. Step aside, get the help you need, and then see if you are fit for the work. It feels like there is no thought for the victims and how much that would go towards helping people heal.
- Bob and Stacy Bainbridge
Well well well we know a little more aout this overseer ,so he joined the dark side
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Post by neighbour on May 21, 2023 17:11:34 GMT -5
I do not understand why the Bainbridge's would even consider inviting the workers and friends to have a convention on their place. That's the thing...workers consider convention grounds to belong to the workers. They decide everything about the venue, from improvements to itinerary.
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Post by getreal on May 21, 2023 23:34:57 GMT -5
Bob's reply to that was, "This convention is not ours it belongs to the friends, what do they want?" Bob stated that his vote was for a full convention but it was ultimately up to the friends who have put a lot of work and money into the ground.”
So they admitted to conv being church property! 😀
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Post by mdm on May 22, 2023 0:00:27 GMT -5
Can someone tell me Dale’s, Ray’s and Jonathan’s last names?
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Post by Pragmatic on May 22, 2023 0:35:48 GMT -5
Shulz, Hoffman and don't know, but very honourable it seems.
I could be wrong, as I'm not from their neck of the woods.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 22, 2023 0:52:20 GMT -5
Bob's reply to that was, "This convention is not ours it belongs to the friends, what do they want?" Bob stated that his vote was for a full convention but it was ultimately up to the friends who have put a lot of work and money into the ground.” So they admitted to conv being church property! 😀 Very interesting.
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Post by getreal on May 22, 2023 1:18:14 GMT -5
I am up and can’t sleep. Why worry about admitting to owning yes, the horror church property. There are so many old abandoned churches. The friends are awesome and dedicated to building and repairing and maintaining ‘non church property.’ They could pick up these old churches for cheap, and stop renting school gyms and halls and just pour their money and energy into property they use way more than 4 days per year. 😀
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 22, 2023 1:20:28 GMT -5
I am up and can’t sleep. Why worry about admitting to owning yes, the horror church property. There are so many old abandoned churches. The friends are awesome and dedicated to building and repairing and maintaining ‘non church property.’ They could pick up these old churches for cheap, and stop renting school gyms and halls and just pour their money and energy into property they use way more than 4 days per year. 😀 That would require a word from your god in the right ear.
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Post by chuck on May 22, 2023 1:50:53 GMT -5
I am up and can’t sleep. Why worry about admitting to owning yes, the horror church property. There are so many old abandoned churches. The friends are awesome and dedicated to building and repairing and maintaining ‘non church property.’ They could pick up these old churches for cheap, and stop renting school gyms and halls and just pour their money and energy into property they use way more than 4 days per year. 😀 A lot of time has been invested into telling people that's not "the way". Generations of time in fact.... But I do agree, financial transparency and stop running around trying to convince yourself you are not like other churches even though you are with just different make up on and just get on with it more openly like other churches.
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Post by getreal on May 22, 2023 1:51:53 GMT -5
Sorry what? My god? I am on the fence quite strictly about that. I don’t deny the possibility I just allow for the fact that it is beyond our understanding and if such a power exists I do nor believe that power would choose a particular team. You think similarly I believe.
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Post by getreal on May 22, 2023 1:52:48 GMT -5
Last post was to curlywurly.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 22, 2023 1:53:17 GMT -5
Sorry what? My god? I am on the fence quite strictly about that. I don’t deny the possibility I just allow for the fact that it is beyond our understanding and if such a power exists I do nor believe that power would choose a particular team. You think similarly I believe. Nope. I base my life on testable evidence.
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Post by getreal on May 22, 2023 2:01:54 GMT -5
Something I realized after reading current and past posts is just so funny my husband and I laughed and laughed about it today. He was also a worker and put in more time than me. When we professed it was the only way. Years later in the work I was shocked to hear for the first time by a very staunch sister worker that it was the best way. Stunned. Now on this board I have caught whiffs of well it is better in lots of ways. And then hysterically I have read some say, well this csa and sa happens in a lot of churches meaning “we are no worse than other churches.” 😂 So you went from being the only way, to the best, to well we are better in some ways, to…no worse than other churches. 🥳🥳🥳. Something to celebrate! Hysterical. The bar has well and truly fallen.
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Post by getreal on May 22, 2023 2:03:17 GMT -5
Sorry what? My god? I am on the fence quite strictly about that. I don’t deny the possibility I just allow for the fact that it is beyond our understanding and if such a power exists I do nor believe that power would choose a particular team. You think similarly I believe. Nope. I base my life on testable evidence. Respect
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Post by mdm on May 22, 2023 17:41:10 GMT -5
I find it amazing that in this day and age of internet exposure they are still openly punishing people for asking that the ministry be abuse-free, AND that professing people are not rising up and holding them accountable. They are letting it slide yet again. R and D are so sure of their power over the fellowship, that they know they can do whatever they want to and get away with it. And we are not even talking about some small 3-world country. Very impressive.
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Post by ForeverFree on May 22, 2023 23:26:47 GMT -5
Can someone tell me Dale’s, Ray’s and Jonathan’s last names? Dale Schultz. Yes, the same Dale Schultz from Saskatchewan.
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Post by Admin on May 25, 2023 7:04:55 GMT -5
Re: Atlantic Canada worker - UPDATE: May 24, 2023Thank you, thank you, thank you to all that have been willing to speak up in support of Morgan and others who are unable to speak up because of their own personal trauma. The men (overseers) that covered up and allowed these abhorrent abuses to continue, instead of stopping the perpetrators…have kept themselves in the place of authority. If these men had any conscience or feelings for these victims these ministers would have humbly stepped aside or left the ministry all together. The thought of these men working amongst our true workers and having authority over them makes me question their motivation. It makes me ill. That they can even show their faces and make decisions and claim they are taking appropriate action is scary and disturbing, They have fought against us for 3 years and refused to do anything appropriate concerning the mess here in Atlantic Canada; we have documented proof. The victims have been told multiple times to remain silent to not tell anyone. These are scary men with a lot of power among the friends who will absolutely listen to and believe whatever they say. If it had not been for the loud consistent cry of all of you that have been willing to stand up and have a voice there is no doubt in my mind that just moving the workers to a different province would have been the only action taken. Still, they refuse to send a letter clarifying the nature of the abuse, harassment and assault and apologize for mishandling it which further traumatized the victims. What we received was not a letter to unite people by acknowledging the truth, but to pacify ignorance. Bob and Stacy Bainbridge
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Post by fixit on May 25, 2023 14:27:27 GMT -5
I find it amazing that in this day and age of internet exposure they are still openly punishing people for asking that the ministry be abuse-free, AND that professing people are not rising up and holding them accountable. They are letting it slide yet again. R and D are so sure of their power over the fellowship, that they know they can do whatever they want to and get away with it. And we are not even talking about some small 3-world country. Very impressive. Willis Propp's carnage in Alberta led to concerned friends asking Dale for help. They were told in no uncertain terms that the overseers are to be obeyed as if they are God himself. Some people don't like being reminded of Dale's letter, but the Dean Bruer scenario is a direct result of the mindless subservience that Dale Shultz promoted. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". From: www.tellingthetruth.info/workers_later/shultz-AB.php...to respect that decision because it comes from a group of men whom God has called and whom God is using in guiding his work in this part of the earth. If our attitude towards them becomes disrespectful, it is a reflection on our attitude towards God as well. ...something that is very much a part of being a child of God is to respect those who are over us in the Lord, to pray for them, to obey them, to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. Their judgement may not always be right, but it is always right for us to respect that judgement and to work with it in the best way that we possibly can. We also know that a point could be reached in these different relationships in which submission is generally expected where, because of some deep conviction before God, we would feel that we could not submit to something that is being asked of us. However, there is also great danger in "not submitting" and in taking a rebel attitude when the situation doesn't warrant that extreme position in God's mind. Whether the decision is right or wrong, the right thing for all of us is to respect it because of those who have made the judgement.
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Post by getreal on May 25, 2023 15:25:53 GMT -5
I find it amazing that in this day and age of internet exposure they are still openly punishing people for asking that the ministry be abuse-free, AND that professing people are not rising up and holding them accountable. They are letting it slide yet again. R and D are so sure of their power over the fellowship, that they know they can do whatever they want to and get away with it. And we are not even talking about some small 3-world country. Very impressive. Willis Propp's carnage in Alberta led to concerned friends asking Dale for help. They were told in no uncertain terms that the overseers are to be obeyed as if they are God himself. Some people don't like being reminded of Dale's letter, but the Dean Bruer scenario is a direct result of the mindless subservience that Dale Shultz promoted. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". From: www.tellingthetruth.info/workers_later/shultz-AB.php...to respect that decision because it comes from a group of men whom God has called and whom God is using in guiding his work in this part of the earth. If our attitude towards them becomes disrespectful, it is a reflection on our attitude towards God as well. ...something that is very much a part of being a child of God is to respect those who are over us in the Lord, to pray for them, to obey them, to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. Their judgement may not always be right, but it is always right for us to respect that judgement and to work with it in the best way that we possibly can. We also know that a point could be reached in these different relationships in which submission is generally expected where, because of some deep conviction before God, we would feel that we could not submit to something that is being asked of us. However, there is also great danger in "not submitting" and in taking a rebel attitude when the situation doesn't warrant that extreme position in God's mind. Whether the decision is right or wrong, the right thing for all of us is to respect it because of those who have made the judgement. Yup, sad but true. I remember saying to Dale Schultz, “so it is ok for the older workers to treat younger workers pretty much any way they like,” and he nodded in agreement. That’s how he sees the world, very black and white. There is no give, at least at that time.
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Post by mrdobalina on May 25, 2023 16:34:24 GMT -5
Sorry what? My god? I am on the fence quite strictly about that. I don’t deny the possibility I just allow for the fact that it is beyond our understanding and if such a power exists I do nor believe that power would choose a particular team. You think similarly I believe. Nope. I base my life on testable evidence. Well you're a bit of a killjoy aren't you.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2023 21:56:05 GMT -5
Bob & Stacy's 'rules' for child safety on their Woodstock Convention groundsFollowing the announcement from the workers that a three day Convention would actually be held: wingsfortruth.info/2023/05/20/woodstock-convention-update-may-20-2023/ , the convention ground owners issued stipulations for preps and convention at Woodstock: *Convicted, reported or suspected abusers are not welcome on our property. *Those that have participated in moving abusive workers to other fields are not welcome. *If any of the above offenders show up on our property they will be told to leave. If there is refusal to leave we will call the RCMP. *If we find out after preps and convention that one of these abusers was present we will report to the RCMP. *There will be no WiFi provided. *The walking trails that are normally made available will be off limits. *Be kind and considerate of one and other so we all can be safe and comfortable. Any abusive language or behavior will not be tolerated, you will be told to leave. This is our request to have sent out by you to all friends in the Maritimes and Maine before the start of preps. A reminder of this letter will be made at the beginning of convention by you also. Bob and Stacy
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2023 21:58:36 GMT -5
Woodstock 2023 - the final act
Jonathan Freeburn has now responded:
Dear Bob and Stacy,
Thanks for your email. We have been thinking a lot about the convention also. I think you are right about your first point; we have already asked any people with allegations against them in the past to not come to the convention. Even with that, we really think that it will be difficult to have the meetings there at your place without causing some kind of distress or conflict. We feel like we can’t really be sure to arrange the meetings there in a way that makes you feel at ease. As well, there are others who usually come there for convention, but they don’t feel comfortable coming. I don’t think it is right for you to have to leave during the time that we are there, and I would not want to have invited someone there causing you to feel like your principles have been violated
This situation has put many in bondage, so we have looked into getting a neutral location in a hall near Fredericton where we can have the meetings. There is a hall which is available from Friday to Sunday. There is room and facilities to have the meetings there. All things considered, it seems best for this year.
We do hope that we can have a profitable time together, and that you will feel free to be there also. All the best, and hope to see you in a couple of weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2023 22:05:58 GMT -5
Woodstock 2023 - the final actJonathan Freeburn has now responded: Dear Bob and Stacy, Thanks for your email. We have been thinking a lot about the convention also. I think you are right about your first point; we have already asked any people with allegations against them in the past to not come to the convention. Even with that, we really think that it will be difficult to have the meetings there at your place without causing some kind of distress or conflict. We feel like we can’t really be sure to arrange the meetings there in a way that makes you feel at ease. As well, there are others who usually come there for convention, but they don’t feel comfortable coming. I don’t think it is right for you to have to leave during the time that we are there, and I would not want to have invited someone there causing you to feel like your principles have been violated This situation has put many in bondage, so we have looked into getting a neutral location in a hall near Fredericton where we can have the meetings. There is a hall which is available from Friday to Sunday. There is room and facilities to have the meetings there. All things considered, it seems best for this year. We do hope that we can have a profitable time together, and that you will feel free to be there also. All the best, and hope to see you in a couple of weeks.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2023 22:14:27 GMT -5
Personal, to Bob & Stacy
If you thought you could dictate sensible, wise & godly rules for child and sister worker safety on your (yes, your) grounds - so kindly offered for use by the church and friends in general - to these stubborn and self-willed rulers over us, you are sadly wrong. The 'gratitude' you will receive from them is to be ostracized and shunned, and have your reputations shredded. I know.
In fact, you were doing them a very valuable service in seeking to help redeem their own moral reputations, and to help rescue them from future reputational damage. But they're fixed on the path they're on, and many of us see where that is heading.
Take courage, you moral and righteous people and know that many, many of us esteem you highly, and support the stand you've taken!
admin
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Post by fixit on Jun 18, 2023 5:07:52 GMT -5
I remember saying to Dale Schultz, “so it is ok for the older workers to treat younger workers pretty much any way they like,” and he nodded in agreement. That’s how he sees the world, very black and white. There is no give, at least at that time. Dale's attitude is so anti-Christ! Matthew 20:24 When the ten heard it, they were angry with the two brothers. 25 But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones are tyrants over them. 26 It will not be so among you, but whoever wishes to be great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wishes to be first among you must be your slave, 28 just as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve and to give his life a ransom for many.”
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 18, 2023 9:03:36 GMT -5
Woodstock 2023 - the final actJonathan Freeburn has now responded: Dear Bob and Stacy, Thanks for your email. We have been thinking a lot about the convention also. I think you are right about your first point; we have already asked any people with allegations against them in the past to not come to the convention. Even with that, we really think that it will be difficult to have the meetings there at your place without causing some kind of distress or conflict. We feel like we can’t really be sure to arrange the meetings there in a way that makes you feel at ease. As well, there are others who usually come there for convention, but they don’t feel comfortable coming. I don’t think it is right for you to have to leave during the time that we are there, and I would not want to have invited someone there causing you to feel like your principles have been violated This situation has put many in bondage, so we have looked into getting a neutral location in a hall near Fredericton where we can have the meetings. There is a hall which is available from Friday to Sunday. There is room and facilities to have the meetings there. All things considered, it seems best for this year. We do hope that we can have a profitable time together, and that you will feel free to be there also. All the best, and hope to see you in a couple of weeks. Has anyone figured out what event facility the workers are planning to use? I think it is only fair that that the facility owners are suitably warned that they would be renting to a sex cult that refuses to comply with reasonable rules of conduct.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 18, 2023 11:03:11 GMT -5
MH said : Why aren't they pained to see the kingdom suffer loss? May God have mercy on them .
Apparently the workers are not pained to see the kingdom suffer loss . By refusing to abide by simple rules/guidelines to a safe convention . MH you are a sad person will very little insight and care .
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Post by ForeverFree on Jun 18, 2023 11:59:02 GMT -5
I remember saying to Dale Schultz, “so it is ok for the older workers to treat younger workers pretty much any way they like,” and he nodded in agreement. That’s how he sees the world, very black and white. There is no give, at least at that time. Dale's attitude is so anti-Christ! Matthew 20:24 When the ten heard it, they were angry with the two brothers. 25 But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones are tyrants over them. 26 It will not be so among you, but whoever wishes to be great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wishes to be first among you must be your slave, 28 just as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve and to give his life a ransom for many.” Dale's attitude is pro-Dale. That's it. Nothing more. He loves going into a situation to come out of it looking like the hero who saved the day where everyone will admire him and comment on his effectiveness, and he doesn't care one bit who he hurts along the way. A total control freak. But the tides are turning, Dale! They're pulling the rug out from under you, and all the dirt you've swept under the rug is being revealed, piece by piece.
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