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Post by Admin on May 8, 2023 7:36:31 GMT -5
Update from Stacy Bainbridge May 6, 2023 – Woodstock Convention
Wed. April 26th- Supper time at our kitchen table with one brother worker, my husband Bob, and myself. The conversation went to Morgan and our frustration about how her abuse has been handled. This man whom we have trusted (silly us) proceeded to explain to us that Morgan’s inappropriate touching from an older sister worker on two separate occasions was NOTHING, that he has been touched on the leg by others before and she is just sensitive. Yet again we found ourselves explaining that it wasn’t “just a touch on the leg”. Just imagine that this was an acceptable behavior... we’d think twice about who we sit next to in the dining shed or at our very own kitchen table. No, I’m sorry, I will not sit by quietly and allow these untruths to be told. Since then, I have heard this same story being shared amongst friends; one first-hand and one incident second hand. I’m assuming there has been more but I don’t know that. Workers are believed, they are “the workers”. Thursday, May 4th- Bob was contacted in the afternoon for a meeting with 3 of our brother workers at 7 pm. Bob asked that we have witnesses and meet at a different location than our own home (which later was taken out of context and said that we didn’t even want them in our home). We later learned that they were coming from a meeting with the overseer. When we sat down with these three men, we had our other daughter and son-in-law on speaker phone from NZ as well as two other witnesses. The first remark made was, “We just came to talk about convention”, indicating that this wasn’t about Morgan, but whether we are going to have convention this year at Woodstock. One worker indicated he was asking because Bob had made a remark that there was corruption in the oversight. It was stated that Bob was talking to a lot of people and telling them the overseers are corrupt. The actual comment Bob made was that there is corruption within the overseers (we all know we can’t make a blanket statement about any group of people) and people all over the world who are reading what is happening can put these facts together for themselves. My hope is that it keeps going until all the ugly is cleaned out, overseers, workers, and friends. This is unacceptable. The overall purpose of the meeting was to tell us there will be no Woodstock convention at least for this year. I mentioned during our meeting that it would be impossible to talk about this without bringing Morgan’s story into it, so the meeting was long with no progress. The moral of all of this is that this is what we get for speaking up. Not only have we planned for convention but everyone else looks forward to it and has made plans to come to Woodstock; now they’ve all been sent a warning. Friday, May 5th- I sent our brother worker a text to stop spreading stories minimizing Morgan’s abuse. I sent him the definition of and the laws in Canada about slander. I indicated to him that we had shared the news about their decision to not hold convention at Woodstock. My response from him was, “It’s not definite about convention, I asked about no convention this year. I was talking to the overseer this morning and it’s not yet definite.” No response to my comments about slander. I reminded him that he was definite last night when he said there would not be convention at Woodstock for at least a year. This was stated multiple times in front of 6 witnesses.We are frustrated and discouraged to have to fight so hard for truth to be told and for these things to be taken care of. We are sorry to everyone and so sad that the workers feel that the truth being told will hinder convention.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 8, 2023 7:39:41 GMT -5
Update from Stacy Bainbridge May 6, 2023 – Woodstock Convention
Wed. April 26th- Supper time at our kitchen table with one brother worker, my husband Bob, and myself. The conversation went to Morgan and our frustration about how her abuse has been handled. This man whom we have trusted (silly us) proceeded to explain to us that Morgan’s inappropriate touching from an older sister worker on two separate occasions was NOTHING, that he has been touched on the leg by others before and she is just sensitive. Yet again we found ourselves explaining that it wasn’t “just a touch on the leg”. Just imagine that this was an acceptable behavior... we’d think twice about who we sit next to in the dining shed or at our very own kitchen table. No, I’m sorry, I will not sit by quietly and allow these untruths to be told. Since then, I have heard this same story being shared amongst friends; one first-hand and one incident second hand. I’m assuming there has been more but I don’t know that. Workers are believed, they are “the workers”. Thursday, May 4th- Bob was contacted in the afternoon for a meeting with 3 of our brother workers at 7 pm. Bob asked that we have witnesses and meet at a different location than our own home (which later was taken out of context and said that we didn’t even want them in our home). We later learned that they were coming from a meeting with the overseer. When we sat down with these three men, we had our other daughter and son-in-law on speaker phone from NZ as well as two other witnesses. The first remark made was, “We just came to talk about convention”, indicating that this wasn’t about Morgan, but whether we are going to have convention this year at Woodstock. One worker indicated he was asking because Bob had made a remark that there was corruption in the oversight. It was stated that Bob was talking to a lot of people and telling them the overseers are corrupt. The actual comment Bob made was that there is corruption within the overseers (we all know we can’t make a blanket statement about any group of people) and people all over the world who are reading what is happening can put these facts together for themselves. My hope is that it keeps going until all the ugly is cleaned out, overseers, workers, and friends. This is unacceptable. The overall purpose of the meeting was to tell us there will be no Woodstock convention at least for this year. I mentioned during our meeting that it would be impossible to talk about this without bringing Morgan’s story into it, so the meeting was long with no progress. The moral of all of this is that this is what we get for speaking up. Not only have we planned for convention but everyone else looks forward to it and has made plans to come to Woodstock; now they’ve all been sent a warning. Friday, May 5th- I sent our brother worker a text to stop spreading stories minimizing Morgan’s abuse. I sent him the definition of and the laws in Canada about slander. I indicated to him that we had shared the news about their decision to not hold convention at Woodstock. My response from him was, “It’s not definite about convention, I asked about no convention this year. I was talking to the overseer this morning and it’s not yet definite.” No response to my comments about slander. I reminded him that he was definite last night when he said there would not be convention at Woodstock for at least a year. This was stated multiple times in front of 6 witnesses.We are frustrated and discouraged to have to fight so hard for truth to be told and for these things to be taken care of. We are sorry to everyone and so sad that the workers feel that the truth being told will hinder convention. Maybe it will be Woodstock revisited. They could resurrect Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin. Lolol!!
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Post by Admin on May 8, 2023 7:40:48 GMT -5
It just doesn't quit!! People who are concerned and reach out to get the truth out are being vilified yet again. Now they are deciding to take the convention away from them this year??!! It is so sickening. They admitted it was abuse and then in public they say it was 'silly little things'. What a bunch of deceitful self serving __________ I'll let you fill in the blanks. The Bainbridge family should start a GoFundMe and announce that they will be having convention anyway this year without the workers.
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Post by Admin on May 8, 2023 8:32:44 GMT -5
This small message is for Stacy and Bob Bainbridge, mom and dad of sister worker Morgan. Generous owners of Woodstock convention grounds in New Brunswick.
We here at TMB, the admin team, fear for what lies ahead for you righteous couple and your family. What you have just experienced, and described so vividly, is a pattern of behavior others have experienced. Nobody we know has stood up and challenged senior workers in positions of power, and survived without reputations shredded in the meeting system.
The pattern is of lies and twisting the truth, all aimed at bolstering the authority of those workers and sustaining the current form of the church. There is no appetite for any meaningful (and desperately needed) reform.
The best you can hope for (and it is truly the very best outcome!) is for you both and your family to retain and strengthen your faith in your fully righteous and faithful Father God. To know that your salvation is not dependent on being in favor with any man or system of man. Your safety and future blessings in abundance are from your position, by faith and God's grace and love, IN CHRIST.
We walk with you and confidently know you and Morgan will come through this richly blessed! From all of us here at TMB.
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Post by Umfolozi on May 8, 2023 10:22:56 GMT -5
I hope they get this message! Wish one could support them in more concrete way's, but how?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 10:51:02 GMT -5
Woodstock , my convention when I professed .Stacy and Bob get ready it is gonna be rough .I have seen that pattern in the past .Some workers must be going from houses to the houses of their faithfull ones telling them how vilain you both are ,how much you hate truth , the same faithfull ones will begin to avoid you .We are with you . Woodstock would be more fun with Janis and Jimi than with the monkeys .
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Post by Umfolozi on May 8, 2023 10:56:34 GMT -5
I spoke to a friend in Canada and she said she just asked her workers up there and they said Woodstock convention is still on. ?
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Post by peggysullivan on May 8, 2023 11:21:03 GMT -5
Woodstock , my convention when I professed .Stacy and Bob get ready it is gonna be rough .I have seen that pattern in the past .Some workers must be going from houses to the houses of their faithfull ones telling them how vilain you both are ,how much you hate truth , the same faithfull ones will begin to avoid you .We are with you . Woodstock would be more fun with Janis and Jimi than with the monkeys . CCR would be awesome!!
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Post by mountain on May 8, 2023 12:24:52 GMT -5
Woodstock , my convention when I professed .Stacy and Bob get ready it is gonna be rough .I have seen that pattern in the past .Some workers must be going from houses to the houses of their faithfull ones telling them how vilain you both are ,how much you hate truth , the same faithfull ones will begin to avoid you .We are with you . Woodstock would be more fun with Janis and Jimi than with the monkeys . CCR would be awesome!! Imagine 'Mountain!' Absolutely brilliant.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 8, 2023 12:31:02 GMT -5
Imagine 'Mountain!' Absolutely brilliant. Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 8, 2023 13:09:04 GMT -5
John Lennon performing Imagine would go over well.
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Post by SharonArnold on May 8, 2023 13:44:46 GMT -5
Woodstock , my convention when I professed .Stacy and Bob get ready it is gonna be rough .I have seen that pattern in the past .Some workers must be going from houses to the houses of their faithfull ones telling them how vilain you both are ,how much you hate truth , the same faithfull ones will begin to avoid you .We are with you . Woodstock would be more fun with Janis and Jimi than with the monkeys . Just think of how cool it would have been, to have been able to casually tell your friends that you were going to Woodstock. Every summer!
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Post by mountain on May 8, 2023 14:58:56 GMT -5
Imagine 'Mountain!' Absolutely brilliant. Crisby, Stills, Nash, and Young! Very Good. Or The Who!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 8, 2023 15:04:52 GMT -5
Crisby, Stills, Nash, and Young! Very Good. Or The Who! I can hear them from here. Used to be the loudest band ever.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 8, 2023 15:06:43 GMT -5
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Post by Pragmatic on May 8, 2023 15:11:08 GMT -5
The Who - "Won't be Fooled Again" and then there's always a specially modified version by Joe Cocker - "With a little help from the Friends"
This "minimise" the deed, and "maximise" the ministry's status has got to stop, otherwise a number will vote with their feet.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 8, 2023 15:21:57 GMT -5
The Who - "Won't be Fooled Again" and then there's always a specially modified version by Joe Cocker - "With a little help from the Friends" This "minimise" the deed, and "maximise" the ministry's status has got to stop, otherwise a number will vote with their feet. I have spent the morning listening to John Lennon's Imagine and then Concert for George. Imagine is a very uplifting piece of music. Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today... Aha-ah... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too Imagine all the people Living life in peace... You... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one
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Post by mountain on May 8, 2023 15:23:25 GMT -5
The Who - "Won't be Fooled Again" and then there's always a specially modified version by Joe Cocker - "With a little help from the Friends" This "minimise" the deed, and "maximise" the ministry's status has got to stop, otherwise a number will vote with their feet. Correct. People will find that the new boss is the same as the old boss!
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Post by mountain on May 8, 2023 15:25:10 GMT -5
I can hear them from here. Used to be the loudest band ever. Mountain robbed them of that distinction. That's how Felix Pappalardi went deaf. At least that's what it was blamed on. Might have been something else?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 8, 2023 15:33:09 GMT -5
I can hear them from here. Used to be the loudest band ever. Mountain robbed them of that distinction. That's how Felix Pappalardi went deaf. At least that's what it was blamed on. Might have been something else? Pop gun's don't make that much noise. I remember he was part of Cream, maybe just wrote music for them.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 8, 2023 15:48:39 GMT -5
The Who - "Won't be Fooled Again" and then there's always a specially modified version by Joe Cocker - "With a little help from the Friends" This "minimise" the deed, and "maximise" the ministry's status has got to stop, otherwise a number will vote with their feet. I have spent the morning listening to John Lennon's Imagine and then Concert for George. Imagine is a very uplifting piece of music. Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today... Aha-ah... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too Imagine all the people Living life in peace... You... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one I always think of the movie, "The Killing Fields" when I think of this song. It was played at the end of the movie. Good movie, but disturbing too.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 8, 2023 16:07:51 GMT -5
I have spent the morning listening to John Lennon's Imagine and then Concert for George. Imagine is a very uplifting piece of music. Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today... Aha-ah... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too Imagine all the people Living life in peace... You... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one I always think of the movie, "The Killing Fields" when I think of this song. It was played at the end of the movie. Good movie, but disturbing too. Fascism in any form is terrifying. It cannot be allowed to succeed.
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Post by Admin on May 8, 2023 17:17:23 GMT -5
I can hear them from here. Used to be the loudest band ever. Slade?!
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Post by snow on May 8, 2023 17:32:22 GMT -5
John Lennon performing Imagine would go over well. lol or not... Personally I love that song.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 8, 2023 18:50:37 GMT -5
Van Halen Running with the devil 👿 Great rock & roll !
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Post by Admin on May 8, 2023 19:46:48 GMT -5
I hope they get this message! Wish one could support them in more concrete way's, but how? What if we all turned up to Woodstock? Curly could be DJ, bring his big sound system
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Post by Prayers on May 8, 2023 20:10:57 GMT -5
Maybe it will be Woodstock revisited. They could resurrect Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin. Lolol!!
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Post by peggysullivan on May 8, 2023 20:25:10 GMT -5
I hope they get this message! Wish one could support them in more concrete way's, but how? What if we all turned up to Woodstock? Curly could be DJ, bring his big sound system Sounds like a blast. Maybe we could talk Neil Young into coming?
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