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Post by peggysullivan on May 10, 2023 16:57:39 GMT -5
LOVE the music from that movie "Cold Mountain.". A wonderful mix of artists, including Sting.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 7:00:34 GMT -5
Would ZZ Top fit in well with the faithful? And lo and behold, we actually have a menatwork member already rocking along on TMB!! ZZ TOP singing All my strings arise in Jesus .
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 10:30:06 GMT -5
Interesting, I don't believe there is a surfboard to be found in the Music Video they did. Double entendre was the goal I believe.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 11, 2023 13:07:08 GMT -5
Truth No. 2- Dixie Chicks www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKgf5QQDNLEYou don't like the sound of the truth Comin' from my mouth You say that I lack the proof Well, baby that might be so I might get to the end of my life Find out everyone was lyin' I don't think that I'm afraid anymore Say that I would rather die tryin' Woh-oh Swing me way down South Sing me somethin' brave from your mouth And I'll bring you Pearls of water on my hips And the love in my lips All the love from my lips This time when he swung the bat And I found myself layin' flat I wondered What a way to spend a dime What a way to use the time, ain't it baby? I looked at my reflection in the window walkin' past And I saw a stranger Just so scared all the time it makes me one more reason Why the world's dangerous Woh-oh Swing me way down South Sing me somethin' brave from your mouth And I'll bring you Pearls of water on my hips And the love in my lips All the love from my lips You don't like the sound of the truth Comin' from my mouth You say that I lack the proof Well, baby that might be so Tell me what's wrong with havin' a little faith In what you're feeling in your heart Why must we be so afraid And always so far apart? Woh-oh Swing me way down South Sing me somethin' brave from your mouth And I'll bring you Pearls of water on my hips And the love in my lips All the love from my lips
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Post by peggysullivan on May 11, 2023 17:54:57 GMT -5
I want to share a song that speaks to me of the issue of "enmity". There doesn't HAVE to be enmity....between the workers and Bainbridges, for exampe, but they have chosen to cancel convention on account of the Bainbridges taking a stand and speaking up. This is divisive. Why is there ever enmity that forms between people? The civil war in the U.S. was bloody awful. I don't think most people want to revisit it,(although some people think we are headed that way again, God forbid!). Anyway, this song is a civil war song, but much more than that. During the civil, even though they fought one another during the day, they took turns singing songs at night in the camps. And at times the Union and Rebel soldiers sang together. Just ONE illustration of how music is a uniter rather than a divider. This song was written by Claire Lynch and actually inspired by an old letter a friend of hers found from a Rebel soldier written to his sister before the Battle of Stone's River, which was one of the worst and bloodiest battles fought during the civil war with heavy casualites. It's a tear jerker! The mandolin is exquisite. Dear Sister-Claire Lynch www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqp_rn9rdTw&list=RDyqp_rn9rdTw&index=1At the end of the song it says, "The light of His face outshines the Blue and Gray."
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Post by peggysullivan on May 11, 2023 19:52:29 GMT -5
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Post by peggysullivan on May 11, 2023 19:56:27 GMT -5
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Post by peggysullivan on May 11, 2023 19:58:37 GMT -5
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Post by peggysullivan on May 11, 2023 20:13:46 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on May 11, 2023 21:00:43 GMT -5
Email went out tonight, Woodstock is back on.Woo hoo!!! Get those woofers out and dusted, Curly!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 11, 2023 21:06:11 GMT -5
Email went out tonight, Woodstock is back on.Woo hoo!!! Get those woofers out and dusted, Curly! My favourite speakers are Cerwin Vega. Beautifully made 15 inch main plus a horn and tweeter. Made in the USA, or Canada?. takes a lot of grunt to drive them. But for this convention I will borrow some stuff off Fleetwood Mac. And maybe a kiwi who sings for them now.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 11, 2023 21:16:06 GMT -5
Woo hoo!!! Get those woofers out and dusted, Curly! My favourite speakers are Cerwin Vega. Beautifully made 15 inch main plus a horn and tweeter. Made in the USA, or Canada?. takes a lot of grunt to drive them. But for this convention I will borrow some stuff off Fleetwood Mac. And maybe a kiwi who sings for them now. Woo hoo for the sound man!!
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Post by Admin on May 11, 2023 21:18:17 GMT -5
My favourite speakers are Cerwin Vega. Beautifully made 15 inch main plus a horn and tweeter. Made in the USA, or Canada?. takes a lot of grunt to drive them. But for this convention I will borrow some stuff off Fleetwood Mac. And maybe a kiwi who sings for them now. Great! What about Flight of the Conchords, guest appearance? (I get hurt feelings a lot, lately )
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 11, 2023 21:26:47 GMT -5
My favourite speakers are Cerwin Vega. Beautifully made 15 inch main plus a horn and tweeter. Made in the USA, or Canada?. takes a lot of grunt to drive them. But for this convention I will borrow some stuff off Fleetwood Mac. And maybe a kiwi who sings for them now. Great! What about Flight of the Conchords, guest appearance? (I get hurt feelings a lot, lately ) I'm not a fan but I will see what I can do. In the meantime enjoy this Irish poem put to music by John Spillane, It even has religious overtones in keeping with the normal gigs at convention. www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCfa9qtlrG0
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Post by peggysullivan on May 14, 2023 18:05:05 GMT -5
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Post by peggysullivan on May 18, 2023 18:49:09 GMT -5
It's time for a revival! And, it wouldn't be a revival without some Kentucky Bluegrass. It doesn't get much closer to that than with Ricky Skaggs. I have been to two of his concerts. Front row seats with each one. He is the real deal. What I appreciate much about him is that where-ever and whatever he does, he witnesses. I really appreciate that. He witnesses. www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mLJ1Zuj1swSoldier of the Cross....."He brings Love to those who hate...." I have come to appreciate more than ever....SOLDIERS. I minister to them on a regular basis. Those of us who have not been literally soldiers cannot fully comprehend the sacrifice involved with a soldier and not just the soldier, but their families. It's HUGE sacrifice. And I thank them for their sevice.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 18, 2023 19:08:57 GMT -5
And what would this be without Ricky Skagg's best friend, Keith Whitely who died an untimely death at age 34? I remember when I heard Keith Whitely on a video and I thought to myself, geez, I made music with his brother, Dwight back 1980 (thanks to some Friends, who decided we needed to have hoe down). This is really the best it gets....is the spontaneous get togethers....nothin' like it...I will be gettin; with my cousins and 'double cousins' here next month. Some of them direct offsprings of Southern Baptist Preachers. It's gonna be good. Good food, good music, good fellowship. It'll be alright. We will pray before eat, shoot a few arrows, and make some music. That's appalachia. It's half my blood. Nothin' I can do about it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwOfWwo5WIw
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 19:59:58 GMT -5
And what would this be without Ricky Skagg's best friend, Keith Whitely who died an untimely death at age 34? I remember when I heard Keith Whitely on a video and I thought to myself, geez, I made music with his brother, Dwight back 1980 (thanks to some Friends, who decided we needed to have hoe down). This is really the best it gets....is the spontaneous get togethers....nothin' like it...I will be gettin; with my cousins and 'double cousins' here next month. Some of them direct offsprings of Southern Baptist Preachers. It's gonna be good. Good food, good music, good fellowship. It'll be alright. We will pray before eat, shoot a few arrows, and make some music. That's appalachia. It's half my blood. Nothin' I can do about it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwOfWwo5WIwProbably his best song in my opinion...
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 1:41:58 GMT -5
And what would this be without Ricky Skagg's best friend, Keith Whitely who died an untimely death at age 34? I remember when I heard Keith Whitely on a video and I thought to myself, geez, I made music with his brother, Dwight back 1980 (thanks to some Friends, who decided we needed to have hoe down). This is really the best it gets....is the spontaneous get togethers....nothin' like it...I will be gettin; with my cousins and 'double cousins' here next month. Some of them direct offsprings of Southern Baptist Preachers. It's gonna be good. Good food, good music, good fellowship. It'll be alright. We will pray before eat, shoot a few arrows, and make some music. That's appalachia. It's half my blood. Nothin' I can do about it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwOfWwo5WIwProbably his best song in my opinion... He and his brother Dwight were friends/relatives of the Friends in KY. Dwights mother in law was a professing lady.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 2:02:41 GMT -5
Probably his best song in my opinion... He and his brother Dwight were friends/relatives of the Friends in KY. Dwights mother in law was a professing lady. Wow...small world...
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 2:34:51 GMT -5
He and his brother Dwight were friends/relatives of the Friends in KY. Dwights mother in law was a professing lady. Wow...small world... We had a great time making music. Dwight is a good musician too. Very talented. He was amazed a couple of girls out west liked bluegrass and had even heard of Ralph Stanley, who Keith was touring with at the time.
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Post by Admin on May 21, 2023 1:08:31 GMT -5
Woodstock convention – update May 20, 2023
May 20, 2023
From: Bob and Stacy Bainbridge
Bob and I want to draw attention again to the letter that Darryl Doland shared in April and the letter that was shared to the friends in Atlantic Canada yesterday. We asked that the workers send out a letter to all the friends here in Atlantic Canada to stop the false rumours that they were spreading against Morgan. We asked them to clarify that the accusations brought forward by Morgan and others were validated. The letter was vague and confusing and left a lot of room for interpretation
We would like to highlight some parts of the letter in particular.
“....inappropriate and disrespectful interpersonal behaviour”
What was happening was psychological abuse, sexual misconduct, and hateful malicious behaviour. “Inappropriate" is dearly a euphemism to downplay what was actually happening. Does any parent want their child to offer for a ministry where they could be forced to share a room or a bed with someone who is aroused by them? Does any parent think it's ok to have their son or daughter brow-beaten to the point of considering suicide? Does any parent want their child to join a ministry where they visit friend's homes and are sexually assaulted or leered at by "trusted elders"? It is no surprise that this behaviour exists. It is appalling that it is not dealt with properly,
“The changes made regarding these workers were made with the intention to address this behaviour and to stop it going forward.”
These workers were simply moved around. The removal of these workers only occurred because it became obvious that Morgan was right about them. So much hurt and confusion could have been avoided if they had simply did what she asked back in 2020.
She simply asked that they take a break from the work and get some psychiatric help.
Here is the full letter from the workers
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Dear all,
We would like to write to you today to be open and clear about inappropriate and disrespectful interpersonal behaviour that has existed and subsequently been reported in our ministry. Recently there were changes made on this staff because of behaviour that was considered inappropriate, especially for responsible workers in a field towards their younger companions. The changes made regarding these workers were made with the intention to address this behaviour and to stop it going forward There was no intention to cast any blame or doubt on the victims of this behaviour. We have moved after thorough deliberation on these issues, wanting to gather as much balanced information as possible. In seeking the guidance of God and wanting to move prayerfully and carefully, we believe that appropriate action has been taken in each case and that all involved will be wiser and kinder going into the future.
We feel that there needs to be an extra amount of compassion and understanding for those who are feeling vulnerable, and we know that as circumstances change, this could include any one of us at critical times in our life. We all need to learn to communicate with each other and listen to each other in a way that makes us free to voice our concerns and needs. This is an atmosphere that we would like to nurture and encourage in our fellowship and especially in the ministry.
God's ministry on the earth is made up of human beings, with a human nature prone to failure. However, this is a very serious calling and, by the grace of God given to us, we should be held accountable to a high standard of love, meekness and morality. Just as a faithful adherence to this example set by Jesus has the potential to help and encourage; anything less than this heavenly standard has the potential to cause hurt and discouragement in others. In spite of sometimes being greatly disappointed in individuals in this ministry; we still believe in our calling in this ministry and our greatest ambition is to be servants, with a faithfulness to this calling.
We know that our greatest responsibility is to keep our own life and spirit right before God, but we do feel the weight of the responsibility when making decisions about things that involve so many of you. We fear that we will sometimes fail to make the best decision, and looking back we acknowledge that sometimes this has been the case. We feel sorry for our failure in this way. We are certainly in need of your prayers, and appreciative of your mercy and understanding. Most of all, we are thankful that God is above all and sees all. If we Seek His Spirit and heed it, He will lead us in the way of truth and righteousness.
With brotherly greetings.
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Remember, the point of this letter is to clarify that the acts of abuse, harassment and assault were true as per Morgan's allegations and that they were mishandled, dismissed, and the victims were attacked, slandered, and shamed.
As far as Woodstock convention; The workers asked for a meeting with us to tell us that Woodstock Convention would be cancelled because Bob had said that there was corruption in the oversight. We were repeatedly told that they had prayed about it and this was the conclusion:
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Dear staff.
The last while we have been thinking about the Convention at Woodstock. We have prayed about it, and discussed it together. We feel like it would be better this year not to have the convention there. Hopefully it will be possible to have it there again next year. We have spoken to — and — and asked if we could have a 2nd Napan, from June 30-July 2. They are agreeable to that plan. It will follow the same format as 1st Napan, three days with two meetings per day. Could you please let everyone in your field know about this.
Your brothers, Dale, Ray, and Jonathan.
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Following this email, we received another from the workers, saying they are reconsidering. At this time Bob was asked how he felt about having a convention? Bob's reply to that was, "This convention is not ours it belongs to the friends, what do they want?" Bob stated that his vote was for a full convention but it was ultimately up to the friends who have put a lot of work and money into the grounds.
So now we go to the latest email regarding convention.
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Dear friends
We plan to have a three day convention at Woodstock Two meetings a day, no evening meetings We won't have sleeping arrangements and won't have meals arrangements So I plan to go next week for a few days The 19th of June a few of us will go to Woodstock to prepare, we'll have a couple of days to prepare the meeting shed, the washrooms, the mini home and cabins There will be lots of room and services for trailers as before.
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No explanation to us on why it is not a full convention. Still a warning, we’re not out of the woods yet?
As far as the workers that were the perpetrators towards Morgan: One is at her sister's home. No official word that she is "out of the work" but she was still exhibiting grooming behaviours at gatherings toward young girls. Two of our true sister workers have caught her exhibiting this behaviour and the true friends in the area have asked that she not attend their meetings as they have young children.
The other sister that was moved to Ontario has been removed from the work just in the last week or two, I believe because of a professional recommendation.
The overseer that was moved to AB is no longer an overseer but is still in the work. We wish the AB brothers would reach out to get the information because the brothers in AB probably haven't been told the extent of damage that he has done or even what it means to his victims for him to still be in the work. Step aside, get the help you need, and then see if you are fit for the work. It feels like there is no thought for the victims and how much that would go towards helping people heal.
- Bob and Stacy Bainbridge
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Post by Admin on May 21, 2023 1:17:08 GMT -5
Some comments from a letter circulated to WA N ID AK friends.
A few weeks ago, I was in a remote village in Asia when I received the first email regarding allegations against Mark. Immediately I was torn. Do I stay or do I volunteer to return? When I prayed about it, the answer was very clear: I needed to offer to return, at least temporarily. Since that time, Wayne, Brian and I have been working as a team. A new overseer for WA, N ID & AK hasn’t been chosen yet.
Since coming home, most of my time has been spent in conversations where workers and friends have been pouring out their hearts. The difficulties we are facing are more serious and far-reaching than I could have ever imagined. I’m simultaneously trying to understand the problem and envision a solution. One important resource has been the friends who have engaged us in point-blank, constructive dialogue. Some solutions are especially elusive. For instance, what is the best way for us to report a concern if we witness inappropriate behavior? Of course, if we are aware of child abuse, we immediately call a hotline or police, but what about other things? We are spending a lot of time and thought on this matter.
Usually when we have a crisis, it only involves a few people — maybe a person, a family, a church, or a field. This crisis involves all of us. Everyone needs help at the same time. Many people are envisioning a different solution at the same time. All of us want change now. That’s one thing that makes our present distress so overwhelming.
One of the workers recently asked the friends in her field, “What do you need from us?” One of the replies was, “We need to see the fruit of the Spirit.” I don’t have the answers for some things, I don’t have the strength for some things, I don’t have the ability' for some things, but I can have the fruit of the Spirit in every situation. The fruit of the Spirit is a benefit to everyone at the same time, both to us and to everyone around us. “Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, temperance' (Gal 5:22-23).
Thanks for welcoming me home and holding me accountable. I pray desperately that I will be true to the responsibility I am given in the challenges and opportunities that are ahead of us. - Darryl Doland
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Post by fixit on May 21, 2023 4:22:35 GMT -5
Thanks for welcoming me home and holding me accountable. I pray desperately that I will be true to the responsibility I am given in the challenges and opportunities that are ahead of us. - Darryl Doland A worker asking to be held accoutable? That's progress.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 21, 2023 14:19:56 GMT -5
Woodstock convention – update May 20, 2023 May 20, 2023 From: Bob and Stacy Bainbridge Bob and I want to draw attention again to the letter that Darryl Doland shared in April and the letter that was shared to the friends in Atlantic Canada yesterday. We asked that the workers send out a letter to all the friends here in Atlantic Canada to stop the false rumours that they were spreading against Morgan. We asked them to clarify that the accusations brought forward by Morgan and others were validated. The letter was vague and confusing and left a lot of room for interpretation We would like to highlight some parts of the letter in particular. “....inappropriate and disrespectful interpersonal behaviour” What was happening was psychological abuse, sexual misconduct, and hateful malicious behaviour. “Inappropriate" is dearly a euphemism to downplay what was actually happening. Does any parent want their child to offer for a ministry where they could be forced to share a room or a bed with someone who is aroused by them? Does any parent think it's ok to have their son or daughter brow-beaten to the point of considering suicide? Does any parent want their child to join a ministry where they visit friend's homes and are sexually assaulted or leered at by "trusted elders"? It is no surprise that this behaviour exists. It is appalling that it is not dealt with properly, “The changes made regarding these workers were made with the intention to address this behaviour and to stop it going forward.” These workers were simply moved around. The removal of these workers only occurred because it became obvious that Morgan was right about them. So much hurt and confusion could have been avoided if they had simply did what she asked back in 2020. She simply asked that they take a break from the work and get some psychiatric help. Here is the full letter from the workers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear all, We would like to write to you today to be open and clear about inappropriate and disrespectful interpersonal behaviour that has existed and subsequently been reported in our ministry. Recently there were changes made on this staff because of behaviour that was considered inappropriate, especially for responsible workers in a field towards their younger companions. The changes made regarding these workers were made with the intention to address this behaviour and to stop it going forward There was no intention to cast any blame or doubt on the victims of this behaviour. We have moved after thorough deliberation on these issues, wanting to gather as much balanced information as possible. In seeking the guidance of God and wanting to move prayerfully and carefully, we believe that appropriate action has been taken in each case and that all involved will be wiser and kinder going into the future. We feel that there needs to be an extra amount of compassion and understanding for those who are feeling vulnerable, and we know that as circumstances change, this could include any one of us at critical times in our life. We all need to learn to communicate with each other and listen to each other in a way that makes us free to voice our concerns and needs. This is an atmosphere that we would like to nurture and encourage in our fellowship and especially in the ministry. God's ministry on the earth is made up of human beings, with a human nature prone to failure. However, this is a very serious calling and, by the grace of God given to us, we should be held accountable to a high standard of love, meekness and morality. Just as a faithful adherence to this example set by Jesus has the potential to help and encourage; anything less than this heavenly standard has the potential to cause hurt and discouragement in others. In spite of sometimes being greatly disappointed in individuals in this ministry; we still believe in our calling in this ministry and our greatest ambition is to be servants, with a faithfulness to this calling. We know that our greatest responsibility is to keep our own life and spirit right before God, but we do feel the weight of the responsibility when making decisions about things that involve so many of you. We fear that we will sometimes fail to make the best decision, and looking back we acknowledge that sometimes this has been the case. We feel sorry for our failure in this way. We are certainly in need of your prayers, and appreciative of your mercy and understanding. Most of all, we are thankful that God is above all and sees all. If we Seek His Spirit and heed it, He will lead us in the way of truth and righteousness. With brotherly greetings. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Remember, the point of this letter is to clarify that the acts of abuse, harassment and assault were true as per Morgan's allegations and that they were mishandled, dismissed, and the victims were attacked, slandered, and shamed. As far as Woodstock convention; The workers asked for a meeting with us to tell us that Woodstock Convention would be cancelled because Bob had said that there was corruption in the oversight. We were repeatedly told that they had prayed about it and this was the conclusion:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear staff. The last while we have been thinking about the Convention at Woodstock. We have prayed about it, and discussed it together. We feel like it would be better this year not to have the convention there. Hopefully it will be possible to have it there again next year. We have spoken to — and — and asked if we could have a 2nd Napan, from June 30-July 2. They are agreeable to that plan. It will follow the same format as 1st Napan, three days with two meetings per day. Could you please let everyone in your field know about this. Your brothers, Dale, Ray, and Jonathan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Following this email, we received another from the workers, saying they are reconsidering. At this time Bob was asked how he felt about having a convention? Bob's reply to that was, "This convention is not ours it belongs to the friends, what do they want?" Bob stated that his vote was for a full convention but it was ultimately up to the friends who have put a lot of work and money into the grounds. So now we go to the latest email regarding convention.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear friends We plan to have a three day convention at Woodstock Two meetings a day, no evening meetings We won't have sleeping arrangements and won't have meals arrangements So I plan to go next week for a few days The 19th of June a few of us will go to Woodstock to prepare, we'll have a couple of days to prepare the meeting shed, the washrooms, the mini home and cabins There will be lots of room and services for trailers as before. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No explanation to us on why it is not a full convention. Still a warning, we’re not out of the woods yet? As far as the workers that were the perpetrators towards Morgan: One is at her sister's home. No official word that she is "out of the work" but she was still exhibiting grooming behaviours at gatherings toward young girls. Two of our true sister workers have caught her exhibiting this behaviour and the true friends in the area have asked that she not attend their meetings as they have young children. The other sister that was moved to Ontario has been removed from the work just in the last week or two, I believe because of a professional recommendation. The overseer that was moved to AB is no longer an overseer but is still in the work. We wish the AB brothers would reach out to get the information because the brothers in AB probably haven't been told the extent of damage that he has done or even what it means to his victims for him to still be in the work. Step aside, get the help you need, and then see if you are fit for the work. It feels like there is no thought for the victims and how much that would go towards helping people heal. - Bob and Stacy Bainbridge I do not understand why the Bainbridge's would even consider inviting the workers and friends to have a convention on their place.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 21, 2023 14:48:11 GMT -5
Thanks for welcoming me home and holding me accountable. I pray desperately that I will be true to the responsibility I am given in the challenges and opportunities that are ahead of us. - Darryl Doland A worker asking to be held accoutable? That's progress. Darryl is a good person and has his head on straight.
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