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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 14:05:53 GMT -5
I said you are far better then that! That was my point! It comes off as cynicism! Well I am definitely skeptical if that helps any. How can I not be? I’ve known atheists off and on during my life time; but I have never known any like the bitter ex2x2 atheists on TMB, seek to rebut, deny, castigate, or belittle Christians like TMB atheists do. Fact is, I’ve only known of ONE atheists who public ally sought to point out his so called wisdom. He used to write a “How I See It” letter for the local newspaper about every 3-6 months. Then he just quit after getting tired of doing such. If there’s things you’re skeptical about, just don’t get into such things ; that way you don’t have to be negative so much.
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Post by fixit on Jan 23, 2020 14:07:00 GMT -5
a lot of young folks in the 2x2s rush at the last minute to find something to speak about. I know. I’ve watched them come into meeting and open their bibles and hunt frantically for something to speak on. There’s no mistaking what they’re doing. That seems rather judgmental.
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Post by nathan on Jan 23, 2020 14:10:01 GMT -5
His alien theories are his Christian talk. Jesus, heaven and Pastor Strange are his Christian talk and claims that they are in the Bible. My understanding is The Catholic trinity is that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one being. The other or mostly Protestant Trinity belief is that these 3 are separate parts which make up God. Is that what you mean? I believe the later. I don't feel comfortable with calling Jesus God the Son because I believe he is only one part of God and I have not heard people say God the Son athough I attended Trinity believing churches for years. For over 20 yrs I have discussed MANY topics about the Bible, not only Stranges, ET, and Valiant Thor. You must have read and pay attentions to Frank Stranges, ET, and Valiant Thor posts only. I have been posting Frank Stranges, ET, hollow earth/Paradise on earth only 10 yrs ago.
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Post by fixit on Jan 23, 2020 14:11:08 GMT -5
Well I am definitely skeptical if that helps any. How can I not be? I’ve known atheists off and on during my life time; but I have never known any like the bitter ex2x2 atheists on TMB, seek to rebut, deny, castigate, or belittle Christians like TMB atheists do. Fact is, I’ve only known of ONE atheists who public ally sought to point out his so called wisdom. He used to write a “How I See It” letter for the local newspaper about every 3-6 months. Then he just quit after getting tired of doing such. If there’s things you’re skeptical about, just don’t get into such things ; that way you don’t have to be negative so much. I think Snow is just trying to figure stuff out. Like the rest of us. I don't find her posts offensive. Frankly, I think TMB "Christians" could do with more of Snow's compassion.
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Post by snow on Jan 23, 2020 14:13:04 GMT -5
Well I am definitely skeptical if that helps any. How can I not be? I’ve known atheists off and on during my life time; but I have never known any like the bitter ex2x2 atheists on TMB, seek to rebut, deny, castigate, or belittle Christians like TMB atheists do. Fact is, I’ve only known of ONE atheists who public ally sought to point out his so called wisdom. He used to write a “How I See It” letter for the local newspaper about every 3-6 months. Then he just quit after getting tired of doing such. If there’s things you’re skeptical about, just don’t get into such things ; that way you don’t have to be negative so much. Iow, don't question. It's not a negative to question and state how I see things STR. You just don't like me questioning because I usually don't agree with your beliefs. But that doesn't make it bad. Your judgmental attitude about us is okay, but we can't state how we think and feel without being told we're negative, cynical and 'an ugly picture'? Isn't that a double standard? Also, how does our questioning hurt you? Does it somehow test your faith? I don't understand why Christians have such a hard time with other beliefs. I just don't.
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Post by nathan on Jan 23, 2020 14:15:08 GMT -5
I’ve known atheists off and on during my life time; but I have never known any like the bitter ex2x2 atheists on TMB, seek to rebut, deny, castigate, or belittle Christians like TMB atheists do. Fact is, I’ve only known of ONE atheists who public ally sought to point out his so called wisdom. He used to write a “How I See It” letter for the local newspaper about every 3-6 months. Then he just quit after getting tired of doing such. If there’s things you’re skeptical about, just don’t get into such things ; that way you don’t have to be negative so much. I think Snow is just trying to figure stuff out. Like the rest of us. I don't find her posts offensive. Frankly, I think TMB "Christians" could do with more of Snow's compassion. ** I agree Snow is one of the most level head atheists on TMB. She doesn't have too much of mean and nastiness of spirit in her.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 14:16:54 GMT -5
You don’t get it either! There’s times people don’t have the Holy Spirit. There’s times even for people the Holy Spirit doesn’t reveal and it generally has to do with the condition of the individuals. When a person is already out preaching they need to start with basic bible intelligence. Most young workers go out in the work because they see the reverence workers receive by the other workers and friends. Or they’re pressured into it. So they are little prepared. All they end up doing is mimicking the older workers. And now after several generations of this that’s why there’s little real bible teaching frim the workers. ** What in the world are you talking about? the Holy Spirit has been on earth for almost 2000 yr as the overseer of Jesus gospel work with the apostles and His people. You don't fully understand how it works,STR. The younger workers can learn many things from many companions they have been with, just take the good and don't repeat the unsound doctrines. Mostly, the workers are taught by the Spirit as Like Paul learned about the life and teachings of Jesus from the apostles who lived and taught by Jesus but the deeper revelation came to him through Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit. I learned many good/sound teachings/doctrine from many of the senior workers BUT most of my deeper revelation come from Christ and the Holy Spirit. I had been taught a few doctrines by the workers were not so good like Anti-Trinity; Jesus is not God and we worship ONLY God the Father and NOT Jesus... These teachings I throw in the garbage. The workers want the friends to rely on God and Holy Spirit IN all things first! The Holy is their TEACHER. I know how IT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. But it doesn’t always work that way. Not all people have the indwelling Spirit. Not all people are actually called by God to be a minister. They’re in it for the wrong reasons. I can think of some right off the bat. We had a young girl they let go out into the work right out of high school, so to speak. Why? She had an uncle in the work who was highly revered/adored/worshipped. All she’d ever seen about the work was how he was so reverence’s and worshipped. She had NO IDEA what was really the ministry. She wanted to make him proud of her, her parents proud of her. Now she’s not the only one, for a majority of young workers go out in similar thoughts. But that poor girl got to where everytime she spake in mtg her voice got more and more shrieking. She sounded like an overtightened violin string about to pop. She finally did break and had to leave the work. But as I said she’s just one out of hundreds in similar fashion. There was no evidence she had indwelling Spirit. If she ever had had, she’d forced him out with her reasons for being where she was. I felt sorry for her and I’ve felt very sorry for many others.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 14:20:26 GMT -5
I’ve known atheists off and on during my life time; but I have never known any like the bitter ex2x2 atheists on TMB, seek to rebut, deny, castigate, or belittle Christians like TMB atheists do. Fact is, I’ve only known of ONE atheists who public ally sought to point out his so called wisdom. He used to write a “How I See It” letter for the local newspaper about every 3-6 months. Then he just quit after getting tired of doing such. If there’s things you’re skeptical about, just don’t get into such things ; that way you don’t have to be negative so much. I think Snow is just trying to figure stuff out. Like the rest of us. I don't find her posts offensive. Frankly, I think TMB "Christians" could do with more of Snow's compassion. Fix it, Snow has lost a lot of her sweet compassion. Ever since before Christmas there’s been a drastic change in her tenor. I don’t like it, Bob is another that’s taken on the hard bite of the atheists. I don’t think they’re trying to figure anything out for they think they’ve already got it figured out and are so wise in that. They’re portraying omnipotence in their wisdom.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 14:22:24 GMT -5
I think Snow is just trying to figure stuff out. Like the rest of us. I don't find her posts offensive. Frankly, I think TMB "Christians" could do with more of Snow's compassion. ** I agree Snow is one of the most level head atheists on TMB. She doesn't have too much of mean and nastiness of spirit in her. She’s changed drastically in the last two months. She and Bob both.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 14:35:28 GMT -5
I’ve known atheists off and on during my life time; but I have never known any like the bitter ex2x2 atheists on TMB, seek to rebut, deny, castigate, or belittle Christians like TMB atheists do. Fact is, I’ve only known of ONE atheists who public ally sought to point out his so called wisdom. He used to write a “How I See It” letter for the local newspaper about every 3-6 months. Then he just quit after getting tired of doing such. If there’s things you’re skeptical about, just don’t get into such things ; that way you don’t have to be negative so much. Iow, don't question. It's not a negative to question and state how I see things STR. You just don't like me questioning because I usually don't agree with your beliefs. But that doesn't make it bad. Your judgmental attitude about us is okay, but we can't state how we think and feel without being told we're negative, cynical and 'an ugly picture'? Isn't that a double standard? Also, how does our questioning hurt you? Does it somehow test your faith? I don't understand why Christians have such a hard time with other beliefs. I just don't. Judgmental? Who’s been judgmental, the atheists can’t complain about anything without saying it’s the Christians’ fault or the Christians are the ones doing it, when the truth is it’s just people period not doing or doing wrong. Snow, you’ve changed drastically in the last two months. You used to never bash Christians in general. No you don’t make me question my faith. Fact is you’ve made me cry desperately that I’d never lose my faith and become so cold and cynical about the Bible and God and what other people believe. I pray desperately that God would do something to make you atheists sit up and repent before you do so much damage it’s irreparable. I’ve sit quietly for a long, long time letting atheists alone to believe as they do well want to believe; but when atheists go to bashing the Bible and my God, I’m duty bound to call their hand on it. It won’t go well for any Christian who sits quietly like I have and let you continue to bash God. Bible and Christians. Lately anytime there’s something atheists don’t like, they say they don’t understand how the Christians can be so and so, when the truth is, it isn’t all Christians who do the wrong. ATHEISTS ARE JUST AS WRONG AS THE NEXT PERSON! But do I ever see any of you say I’m sorry or I was wrong or Mea culpa? No! Not one!!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 14:38:43 GMT -5
a lot of young folks in the 2x2s rush at the last minute to find something to speak about. I know. I’ve watched them come into meeting and open their bibles and hunt frantically for something to speak on. There’s no mistaking what they’re doing. That seems rather judgmental. So be it, but watching them week after week after month after month after year after year, usnt it about time to get judgmental. It pathetic they aren’t taught better. And if they were, then it’s pathetic that it’s that difficult for them to follow teachings.
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Post by speak on Jan 23, 2020 14:46:56 GMT -5
If it agrees with Christs Spirit. Anyone can agree, accept false teaching that is why there is the Holy Spirit to help one to decern right from wrong. On things to do with Christ yes. Are you saying you are "in one accord" with both nathan and fixit , speak ? If you read what I posted you have the answer to your question.
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Post by speak on Jan 23, 2020 14:48:50 GMT -5
If it agrees with Christs Spirit. Anyone can agree, accept false teaching that is why there is the Holy Spirit to help one to decern right from wrong. On things to do with Christ yes. So.. you believe Speak, that Christ lives in the middle of the planet Venus. And the good looking nice smelling Angels.....and commander Thor etc They have been stated by Nathan, all to do with Christ. Does what you post agree with Christ? There in is the answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 14:57:07 GMT -5
well one of two things are occuring when that happens either nathan is offbase or someone is trying to get away with a sin or two....i suspect the latter Can you explain what kind of sin you think people are trying to get away with? any kind it varies by person....
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Post by mountain on Jan 23, 2020 15:26:47 GMT -5
Not good enough for you, huh? John 6
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Sounds like that's every follower of Christ, not just the twelve. Sooner or later the penny is going to drop. Nathan is steadfastly correct on this point. This is one occasion where Nathan founds himself on the rock, not the shifting sand of Catholicism, Protestantism,etc. Is it any wonder we have so much diversity in Christian teaching? We lean towards our own or another's understanding, rather that waiting on God to reveal to us little by little. Do you want to be like the apostle Paul or like the guy behind the pulpit? Your choice! Galatians 1 11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: 14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, 16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Where did I say the Holy Spirit died NOT teach? You’re getting a bit high and mighty trying to preach to me. I know about the indwelling a Holy Spirit. You’ve not taken what Uve said with a note of decency. We were talking about a minister standing up preaching something they were not literate on. I’ve seen and heard several. All they know to do is mimic what they’ve heard. And often in repeating they miss the lesson themselves. NOT ALL MINISTERS HAVE THE INDWELLING HOLY SPIRIT. Not all ministers are ministers because God called them. They’re there because they’ve been pressured to do so. Or they’re there because all they’ve seen is the reverence given to other ministers/workers. And they want that. They have little to NO basic bible knowledge. Starting out in the ministry without basic bible knowledge is not recommendable. It causes a lot of problems which a majority for the illiterate minister. This is why a Bible college is the least requirement for a lot of churches. That way the amateur minister at least knows a bit about what’s in the Bible. Sure, if such persons had spent any amount of time reading and praying, they would not have been Bible illiterate. But a lot of young folks in the 2x2s rush at the last minute to find something to speak about. I know. I’ve watched them come into meeting and open their bibles and hunt frantically for something to speak on. There’s no mistaking what they’re doing. Then two or three years later they’re in the work. You think that’s a goid minister material. They haven’t learned how to feed themselves, so how can they be expected to feed the sheep? I'm sorry Shaz but you have said nothing which could alter the fact that Nathan is bang on the button on this occasion. Look....sometimes he is right.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 15:32:09 GMT -5
Where did I say the Holy Spirit died NOT teach? You’re getting a bit high and mighty trying to preach to me. I know about the indwelling a Holy Spirit. You’ve not taken what Uve said with a note of decency. We were talking about a minister standing up preaching something they were not literate on. I’ve seen and heard several. All they know to do is mimic what they’ve heard. And often in repeating they miss the lesson themselves. NOT ALL MINISTERS HAVE THE INDWELLING HOLY SPIRIT. Not all ministers are ministers because God called them. They’re there because they’ve been pressured to do so. Or they’re there because all they’ve seen is the reverence given to other ministers/workers. And they want that. They have little to NO basic bible knowledge. Starting out in the ministry without basic bible knowledge is not recommendable. It causes a lot of problems which a majority for the illiterate minister. This is why a Bible college is the least requirement for a lot of churches. That way the amateur minister at least knows a bit about what’s in the Bible. Sure, if such persons had spent any amount of time reading and praying, they would not have been Bible illiterate. But a lot of young folks in the 2x2s rush at the last minute to find something to speak about. I know. I’ve watched them come into meeting and open their bibles and hunt frantically for something to speak on. There’s no mistaking what they’re doing. Then two or three years later they’re in the work. You think that’s a goid minister material. They haven’t learned how to feed themselves, so how can they be expected to feed the sheep? I'm sorry Shaz but you have said nothing which could alter the fact that Nathan is bang on the button on this occasion. Look....sometimes he is right. I didn’t say he wasn’t. Except he thinks everybody that professes gets the Holy Spirit but they don’t. Even in Acts we read about that. There are many people go on will power only. They are will worshippers. It doesn’t reach their spirit. So they don’t worship in spirit and in truth. And note I’m not naming anyone. I don’t always know either until it proves out. Paul spoke about will worshipping and he said there’s a wisdom in it. But it’s only man’s wisdom.
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Post by snow on Jan 23, 2020 15:36:12 GMT -5
Well certainly not the church as it was when I left it. That's for sure. And the worker that posted here for awhile last year also was not a representative of the Truth group as it was when I left it. His manner shocked me to be honest. One might suggest he is worshipping something else? Definitely not the kingdom of the Son!. For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, - Colossians 1:13 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians1:13&version=NIVTrouble is he was quite convinced he was just following what the Holy spirit was telling him, like so many others here claim to be doing. Trouble is the holy spirit apparently isn't too consistent and seems to tell everyone something just a tad different. So confusing...
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Post by snow on Jan 23, 2020 15:45:30 GMT -5
I think Snow is just trying to figure stuff out. Like the rest of us. I don't find her posts offensive. Frankly, I think TMB "Christians" could do with more of Snow's compassion. Fix it, Snow has lost a lot of her sweet compassion. Ever since before Christmas there’s been a drastic change in her tenor. I don’t like it, Bob is another that’s taken on the hard bite of the atheists. I don’t think they’re trying to figure anything out for they think they’ve already got it figured out and are so wise in that. They’re portraying omnipotence in their wisdom. Exactly how have I changed STR. I've always questioned on here and stated what I believed. What is different? I still care about everyone the same as ever, I know that. You kept saying I called Christians psychotic when I didn't. So maybe it's you that's changed and started to be more easily offended and misinterpreting things others say on here. Because I tried to tell you over and over that I never said any such thing, even quoted what I said a couple of times and you still persisted with accusing me of calling Christians psychotic. I haven't changed. And I don't see Bob as having changed either. I do care and I don't set out to offend. In fact I try hard not to in my wording. But I don't know how to disagree without you taking offense. I just don't know why you seem to be so quick to think I am talking down to you when all I'm doing is what I've always done on here. Maybe others can tell me if they see a difference in me since Christmas? It would be interesting for me to know.
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Post by snow on Jan 23, 2020 15:47:13 GMT -5
Iow, don't question. It's not a negative to question and state how I see things STR. You just don't like me questioning because I usually don't agree with your beliefs. But that doesn't make it bad. Your judgmental attitude about us is okay, but we can't state how we think and feel without being told we're negative, cynical and 'an ugly picture'? Isn't that a double standard? Also, how does our questioning hurt you? Does it somehow test your faith? I don't understand why Christians have such a hard time with other beliefs. I just don't. Judgmental? Who’s been judgmental, the atheists can’t complain about anything without saying it’s the Christians’ fault or the Christians are the ones doing it, when the truth is it’s just people period not doing or doing wrong. Snow, you’ve changed drastically in the last two months. You used to never bash Christians in general. No you don’t make me question my faith. Fact is you’ve made me cry desperately that I’d never lose my faith and become so cold and cynical about the Bible and God and what other people believe. I pray desperately that God would do something to make you atheists sit up and repent before you do so much damage it’s irreparable. I’ve sit quietly for a long, long time letting atheists alone to believe as they do well want to believe; but when atheists go to bashing the Bible and my God, I’m duty bound to call their hand on it. It won’t go well for any Christian who sits quietly like I have and let you continue to bash God. Bible and Christians. Lately anytime there’s something atheists don’t like, they say they don’t understand how the Christians can be so and so, when the truth is, it isn’t all Christians who do the wrong. ATHEISTS ARE JUST AS WRONG AS THE NEXT PERSON! But do I ever see any of you say I’m sorry or I was wrong or Mea culpa? No! Not one!! STR lately it seems that you are telling everyone they are wrong. If someone says something you don't agree with that is your custom response lately. So how much of it is me changing and how much of it is you? And, it was just yesterday that I did apologize for coming across in a way that offended you, so where do you get off on saying I don't apologize?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 15:51:55 GMT -5
So.. you believe Speak, that Christ lives in the middle of the planet Venus. And the good looking nice smelling Angels.....and commander Thor etc They have been stated by Nathan, all to do with Christ. Does what you post agree with Christ? There in is the answer. Avoiding the point of ‘intermingling’. But you have a good day.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 15:57:11 GMT -5
Fix it, Snow has lost a lot of her sweet compassion. Ever since before Christmas there’s been a drastic change in her tenor. I don’t like it, Bob is another that’s taken on the hard bite of the atheists. I don’t think they’re trying to figure anything out for they think they’ve already got it figured out and are so wise in that. They’re portraying omnipotence in their wisdom. Exactly how have I changed STR. I've always questioned on here and stated what I believed. What is different? I still care about everyone the same as ever, I know that. You kept saying I called Christians psychotic when I didn't. So maybe it's you that's changed and started to be more easily offended and misinterpreting things others say on here. Because I tried to tell you over and over that I never said any such thing, even quoted what I said a couple of times and you still persisted with accusing me of calling Christians psychotic. I haven't changed. And I don't see Bob as having changed either. I do care and I don't set out to offend. In fact I try hard not to in my wording. But I don't know how to disagree without you taking offense. I just don't know why you seem to be so quick to think I am talking down to you when all I'm doing is what I've always done on here. Maybe others can tell me if they see a difference in me since Christmas? It would be interesting for me to know. You are two grounded, intelligent people. Hard to have sweet compassion for a lot of the stuff on here. Snow, I enjoy your posts immensely. They are always thought provoking. Three cheers for Snow. Hip hip hooray.!!
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Post by fixit on Jan 23, 2020 16:00:36 GMT -5
That seems rather judgmental. So be it, but watching them week after week after month after month after year after year, usnt it about time to get judgmental. It pathetic they aren’t taught better. And if they were, then it’s pathetic that it’s that difficult for them to follow teachings. If you're judging these young people week after week after month after month after year after year that is not helping. Authentic Christianity is not about learning theological theory. It's about having the spirit of Christ in your heart. Authentic Christian fellowship is not about Bible-bashing others to "follow teachings". It's about sharing the love of God that is in our hearts. If you're worried about young people flicking through their Bible for something to say, encourage them to speak from their heart instead. I'd rather see a sermon than hear one any day; I'd rather one should walk with me than merely tell the way. The eye is a better pupil, more willing than the ear; Fine counsel is confusing, but example is always clear, And the best of all the preachers are the men who live their creeds, For to see a good put in action is what everybody needs. I can soon learn how to do it if you will let me see it done; I can watch your hand in action, but your tongue too fast may run. And the lectures you deliver may be very wise and true, But I'd rather get my lesson by observing what you do. For I may misunderstand you and the high advice you give, But there is no misunderstanding how you act and how you live. When I see a deed of kindness, I am eager to be kind. When a weaker brother stumbles, and a strong man stands behind Just to see if he can help him, then the wish grows strong in me To become as big and thoughtful as I know that friend to be. And all travelers can witness that the best of guides today Is not the one who tells them, but the one who shows the way. One good man teaches many; men believe what they behold; One deed of kindness noted is worth forty that are told. Who stands with men of honor learns to hold his honor dear, For right living speaks a language which to everyone is clear. Though an able speaker charms me with his eloquence, I say, I'd rather see a sermon than hear one any day.
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Post by nathan on Jan 23, 2020 16:03:09 GMT -5
** What in the world are you talking about? the Holy Spirit has been on earth for almost 2000 yr as the overseer of Jesus gospel work with the apostles and His people. You don't fully understand how it works,STR. The younger workers can learn many things from many companions they have been with, just take the good and don't repeat the unsound doctrines. Mostly, the workers are taught by the Spirit as Like Paul learned about the life and teachings of Jesus from the apostles who lived and taught by Jesus but the deeper revelation came to him through Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit. I learned many good/sound teachings/doctrine from many of the senior workers BUT most of my deeper revelation come from Christ and the Holy Spirit. I had been taught a few doctrines by the workers were not so good like Anti-Trinity; Jesus is not God and we worship ONLY God the Father and NOT Jesus... These teachings I throw in the garbage. The workers want the friends to rely on God and Holy Spirit IN all things first! The Holy is their TEACHER. I know how IT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. But it doesn’t always work that way. Not all people have the indwelling Spirit. Not all people are actually called by God to be a minister. They’re in it for the wrong reasons. I can think of some right off the bat. We had a young girl they let go out into the work right out of high school, so to speak. Why? She had an uncle in the work who was highly revered/adored/worshipped. All she’d ever seen about the work was how he was so reverence’s and worshipped. She had NO IDEA what was really the ministry. She wanted to make him proud of her, her parents proud of her. Now she’s not the only one, for a majority of young workers go out in similar thoughts. But that poor girl got to where everytime she spake in mtg her voice got more and more shrieking. She sounded like an overtightened violin string about to pop. She finally did break and had to leave the work. But as I said she’s just one out of hundreds in similar fashion. There was no evidence she had indwelling Spirit. If she ever had had, she’d forced him out with her reasons for being where she was. I felt sorry for her and I’ve felt very sorry for many others. ** This is NOT always the case, sometimes the humans overseers make mistakes. The ex-overseer Howard M. allowed Brad Lewis in the work but MANy workers on the staff objected because he was only 18 yrs and just graduated from high school. Brad Lewis lasted only 6 months in the work. I know of some workers in the early days in the work at a young age and they kept true to the end.
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Post by nathan on Jan 23, 2020 16:14:31 GMT -5
I'm sorry Shaz but you have said nothing which could alter the fact that Nathan is bang on the button on this occasion. Look....sometimes he is right. I didn’t say he wasn’t. Except he thinks everybody that professes gets the Holy Spirit but they don’t. Even in Acts we read about that. There are many people go on will power only. They are will worshippers. It doesn’t reach their spirit. So they don’t worship in spirit and in truth. And note I’m not naming anyone. I don’t always know either until it proves out. Paul spoke about will worshipping and he said there’s a wisdom in it. But it’s only man’s wisdom. *** I didn't say everyone who professes get the Spirit. We know from Jesus teachings about the tares vs the wheat; the 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins; the goats and the sheep. Not every professing person has the Holy Spirit. Jesus said YE SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUIT!
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Post by fixit on Jan 23, 2020 16:18:41 GMT -5
Exactly how have I changed STR. I've always questioned on here and stated what I believed. What is different? I still care about everyone the same as ever, I know that. You kept saying I called Christians psychotic when I didn't. So maybe it's you that's changed and started to be more easily offended and misinterpreting things others say on here. Because I tried to tell you over and over that I never said any such thing, even quoted what I said a couple of times and you still persisted with accusing me of calling Christians psychotic. I haven't changed. And I don't see Bob as having changed either. I do care and I don't set out to offend. In fact I try hard not to in my wording. But I don't know how to disagree without you taking offense. I just don't know why you seem to be so quick to think I am talking down to you when all I'm doing is what I've always done on here. Maybe others can tell me if they see a difference in me since Christmas? It would be interesting for me to know. You are two grounded, intelligent people. Hard to have sweet compassion for a lot of the stuff on here. Snow, I enjoy your posts immensely. They are always thought provoking. Three cheers for Snow. Hip hip hooray.!! I don't place much value on theory, I look for fruit. In that sense, Snow seems more "Christian" than the people who condemn her.
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Post by chuck on Jan 23, 2020 16:33:52 GMT -5
Trouble is he was quite convinced he was just following what the Holy spirit was telling him, like so many others here claim to be doing. Trouble is the holy spirit apparently isn't too consistent and seems to tell everyone something just a tad different. So confusing... Pretty simple really. Love your lord, Love your Neighbor, Love your Enemies. Anything else is religion.
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Post by nathan on Jan 23, 2020 16:37:05 GMT -5
So be it, but watching them week after week after month after month after year after year, usnt it about time to get judgmental. It pathetic they aren’t taught better. And if they were, then it’s pathetic that it’s that difficult for them to follow teachings. If you're judging these young people week after week after month after month after year after year that is not helping. Authentic Christianity is not about learning theological theory. It's about having the spirit of Christ in your heart. Authentic Christian fellowship is not about Bible-bashing others to "follow teachings". It's about sharing the love of God that is in our hearts. If you're worried about young people flicking through their Bible for something to say, encourage them to speak from their heart instead. I'd rather see a sermon than hear one any day; I'd rather one should walk with me than merely tell the way. The eye is a better pupil, more willing than the ear; Fine counsel is confusing, but example is always clear, And the best of all the preachers are the men who live their creeds, For to see a good put in action is what everybody needs. I can soon learn how to do it if you will let me see it done; I can watch your hand in action, but your tongue too fast may run. And the lectures you deliver may be very wise and true, But I'd rather get my lesson by observing what you do. For I may misunderstand you and the high advice you give, But there is no misunderstanding how you act and how you live. When I see a deed of kindness, I am eager to be kind. When a weaker brother stumbles, and a strong man stands behind Just to see if he can help him, then the wish grows strong in me To become as big and thoughtful as I know that friend to be. And all travelers can witness that the best of guides today Is not the one who tells them, but the one who shows the way. One good man teaches many; men believe what they behold; One deed of kindness noted is worth forty that are told. Who stands with men of honor learns to hold his honor dear, For right living speaks a language which to everyone is clear. Though an able speaker charms me with his eloquence, I say, I'd rather see a sermon than hear one any day. ** Nice post. My 1st yr. in the work it took me 5-6 day to prepare for 5 min. Gospel meeting a week. I put alot of ennergy, efforts and praying in the gospel message. I had many good older companions teachers who taught me, when you present the message what is your theme? Have scriptures to back it up first, have some stories so people can relate with the message and the theme should always focus on Jesus and God. It got a little easier my last yr in the work, public speaking isn't my cup of tea. It stresses me out a lot, I do much better teaching on line. Less stressful than standing in front of an audience.
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Post by snow on Jan 23, 2020 17:05:08 GMT -5
Exactly how have I changed STR. I've always questioned on here and stated what I believed. What is different? I still care about everyone the same as ever, I know that. You kept saying I called Christians psychotic when I didn't. So maybe it's you that's changed and started to be more easily offended and misinterpreting things others say on here. Because I tried to tell you over and over that I never said any such thing, even quoted what I said a couple of times and you still persisted with accusing me of calling Christians psychotic. I haven't changed. And I don't see Bob as having changed either. I do care and I don't set out to offend. In fact I try hard not to in my wording. But I don't know how to disagree without you taking offense. I just don't know why you seem to be so quick to think I am talking down to you when all I'm doing is what I've always done on here. Maybe others can tell me if they see a difference in me since Christmas? It would be interesting for me to know. You are two grounded, intelligent people. Hard to have sweet compassion for a lot of the stuff on here. Snow, I enjoy your posts immensely. They are always thought provoking. Three cheers for Snow. Hip hip hooray.!! Thank you Olea. I don't know that I've change drastically since Christmas, but it sure would be good to know if it's true because it's obviously something to do with medication and not a personality change that just all of a sudden happened. So now I am concerned because I haven't felt any change in the way I interact here. I still try not to be abrasive, but if I'm failing and don't know it, that is concerning.
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