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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 3:12:54 GMT -5
What is a 6-dozen if not 72? the hyphen between two numbers generally means "to" so 6-dozen reads as 6 to a dozen....
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 24, 2020 4:05:40 GMT -5
What is a 6-dozen if not 72? the hyphen between two numbers generally means "to" so 6-dozen reads as 6 to a dozen.... Then it really should be like this: 6 - a dozen; or 6 - 12. You need a space before and after the hyphen, otherwise it makes for a hyphenated word.
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Post by mountain on Jan 24, 2020 4:34:50 GMT -5
the hyphen between two numbers generally means "to" so 6-dozen reads as 6 to a dozen.... Then it really should be like this: 6 - a dozen; or 6 - 12. You need a space before and after the hyphen, otherwise it makes for a hyphenated word. This sounds like something the Pope should arbitrate on? After all, it can make a huge difference to Catholic numbers!
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Post by nathan on Jan 24, 2020 9:06:38 GMT -5
It was widely accepted to be non-married among the apostles because of traveling lifestyle as preachers for them! NOT wise to have a wife and bring along with 6 dozen kids, and let the followers take care of them. Widely accepted doesn't mean it was the required practice Mandatory celibacy was largely a Catholic invention. It was invented/started by Jesus Christ/God NOT by the RCC invention.... NOT mandatory but practical.
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Post by nathan on Jan 24, 2020 9:11:06 GMT -5
just missing a hyphen don't get too excited... Thanks, Wally.... Yes, children! more than one. Jesus said in Matthew 19:27-29 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Was Jesus married or having any children with him in the ministry? Who do you think the apostles/workers today follow the example Jesus or Peter? or the apostles married with children along in the ministry?
God and Jesus allowed Peter who was a married man, but with no children to be in the ministry. Please, follow Jesus example and NOT man example, because it makes life a lot more complicated and stressful to their families.
The RCC copied the unmarried or celibacy preacher pattern or method from Jesus.
The Protestant preachers copied their married with children fRom Peter and some of the married apostles pattern examples.
Most of the workers today follow Jesus unmarried pattern, some early days workers follow peter married example and some had children in the work and it was very difficult life for their children.
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 24, 2020 12:13:23 GMT -5
just missing a hyphen don't get too excited... Thanks, Wally.... Yes, children! more than one. Jesus said in Matthew 19:27-29 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Was Jesus married or having any children with him in the ministry? Who do you think the apostles/workers today follow the example Jesus or Peter? or the apostles married with children along in the ministry?
God and Jesus allowed Peter who was a married man, but with no children to be in the ministry. Please, follow Jesus example and NOT man example, because it makes life a lot more complicated and stressful to their families.
The RCC copied the unmarried or celibacy preacher pattern or method from Jesus.
The Protestant preachers copied their married with children fRom Peter and some of the married apostles pattern examples.
Most of the workers today follow Jesus unmarried pattern, some early days workers follow peter married example and some had children in the work and it was very difficult life for their children.“The Church was a thousand years old before it definitively took a stand in favor of celibacy in the twelfth century at the Second Lateran Council held in 1139, when a rule was approved forbidding priests to marry. In 1563, the Council of Trent reaffirmed the tradition of celibacy.” Marriage is honorable in ALL...... Hebrews 13
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Post by snow on Jan 24, 2020 13:27:04 GMT -5
Exactly how have I changed STR. I've always questioned on here and stated what I believed. What is different? I still care about everyone the same as ever, I know that. You kept saying I called Christians psychotic when I didn't. So maybe it's you that's changed and started to be more easily offended and misinterpreting things others say on here. Because I tried to tell you over and over that I never said any such thing, even quoted what I said a couple of times and you still persisted with accusing me of calling Christians psychotic. I haven't changed. And I don't see Bob as having changed either. I do care and I don't set out to offend. In fact I try hard not to in my wording. But I don't know how to disagree without you taking offense. I just don't know why you seem to be so quick to think I am talking down to you when all I'm doing is what I've always done on here. Maybe others can tell me if they see a difference in me since Christmas? It would be interesting for me to know. In the last two months, everytime Paul is brought up in simeone’s post, you’ve been overly quick to negate anything as far as Paul is concerned. Also between you and one other atheist, you both have blamed Christians for not being charitable to natives, down and out people etc. as if the Christians are the only people who feel that handing out money has ruined some people of their incentives to provide for themselves. Anytime something a believer has said in disagreement about some political governmental issue, it’s been “the Christians this and the Christians that.” The only reason I’ve said anything is because this is NOT SNOW. It’s the bitterness of atheism against Christianity. Bob is showing the same thing. Sarcasm and cynicism just don’t go with Snow and Bob. I know you think you’re being skeptical, but your tenor has changed. I’m sorry I don’t mean to hurt you, but it hurts me to see the changes in two of the people that I’ve valued the most. EDIT: You did tell me I was too trusting to believe everything in the Bible. Then you turned around and said you didn’t. What am I supposed to think. Either Im too trusting in your opinion or I’m not. Sure, I admit, I trust the Bible but to a certain point. I realize first there’s been too many transcriptions between original to present bibles. Number two, I also realize that in the Bible things were recorded according to the amount of knowledge and understanding that was average in that day. Then in the other hand, I’ve come to realize there are God’s mysteries hidden in the Bible so very wisely. Okay. I never turned around and said you weren't too trusting. You are as I see it. I'm not bitter towards Christians and I seem to get along with all the ones I know. You have accused me of saying a few things on here that I never said. I proved it to you and you still kept on saying the same thing over and over. I truly do believe everything I talk about with Paul because I know the history better than some. He isn't who Christians say he was and it's quite evident if you know more about the entity called the Christos. I can't help what I know. However, I promise I will not reply to any of your posts anymore. If you think I'm nothing but a bitter atheist then block me. It's probably better for you to do that because I don't see what you're talking about and if I don't see it, I can't change it.
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Post by nathan on Jan 24, 2020 14:04:53 GMT -5
Thanks, Wally.... Yes, children! more than one. Jesus said in Matthew 19:27-29 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Was Jesus married or having any children with him in the ministry? Who do you think the apostles/workers today follow the example Jesus or Peter? or the apostles married with children along in the ministry?
God and Jesus allowed Peter who was a married man, but with no children to be in the ministry. Please, follow Jesus example and NOT man example, because it makes life a lot more complicated and stressful to their families.
The RCC copied the unmarried or celibacy preacher pattern or method from Jesus.
The Protestant preachers copied their married with children fRom Peter and some of the married apostles pattern examples.
Most of the workers today follow Jesus unmarried pattern, some early days workers follow peter married example and some had children in the work and it was very difficult life for their children. “The Church was a thousand years old before it definitively took a stand in favor of celibacy in the twelfth century at the Second Lateran Council held in 1139, when a rule was approved forbidding priests to marry. In 1563, the Council of Trent reaffirmed the tradition of celibacy.” Marriage is honorable in ALL...... Hebrews 13 ** You are talking about the RCC, right. There are TRUE and FALSE churches exist in the world the last 2000 yrs. So, don't get the FALSE churches teachings mix up with the teachings of Jeus and His true church teachings exist for 2000 yrs. The TRUE church of Christ Always keep TRUE to His teachings, the Holy Spirit will guide them to stay true to it.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 24, 2020 14:23:44 GMT -5
In the last two months, everytime Paul is brought up in simeone’s post, you’ve been overly quick to negate anything as far as Paul is concerned. Also between you and one other atheist, you both have blamed Christians for not being charitable to natives, down and out people etc. as if the Christians are the only people who feel that handing out money has ruined some people of their incentives to provide for themselves. Anytime something a believer has said in disagreement about some political governmental issue, it’s been “the Christians this and the Christians that.” The only reason I’ve said anything is because this is NOT SNOW. It’s the bitterness of atheism against Christianity. Bob is showing the same thing. Sarcasm and cynicism just don’t go with Snow and Bob. I know you think you’re being skeptical, but your tenor has changed. I’m sorry I don’t mean to hurt you, but it hurts me to see the changes in two of the people that I’ve valued the most. EDIT: You did tell me I was too trusting to believe everything in the Bible. Then you turned around and said you didn’t. What am I supposed to think. Either Im too trusting in your opinion or I’m not. Sure, I admit, I trust the Bible but to a certain point. I realize first there’s been too many transcriptions between original to present bibles. Number two, I also realize that in the Bible things were recorded according to the amount of knowledge and understanding that was average in that day. Then in the other hand, I’ve come to realize there are God’s mysteries hidden in the Bible so very wisely. Okay. I never turned around and said you weren't too trusting. You are as I see it. I'm not bitter towards Christians and I seem to get along with all the ones I know. You have accused me of saying a few things on here that I never said. I proved it to you and you still kept on saying the same thing over and over. I truly do believe everything I talk about with Paul because I know the history better than some. He isn't who Christians say he was and it's quite evident if you know more about the entity called the Christos. I can't help what I know. However, I promise I will not reply to any of your posts anymore. If you think I'm nothing but a bitter atheist then block me. It's probably better for you to do that because I don't see what you're talking about and if I don't see it, I can't change it. How is it different when you say you know the history better but by reading antibiblical books and articles then it is for believers to read the articles/films/books that back up the biblical narrative. But you call all that backing up stuff just that, false stuff. When what you read and see can be the very same thing though in an antibiblical fashion? I’m sorry if I didn’t make my question clear!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 24, 2020 14:30:26 GMT -5
Snow, to be honest; since leaving the 2x2s, I’ve started taking Paul’s viewpoints as being colored by the culture that was in society at the time. I also look at Peter much differently. He’s too much like some of the rest of us, speaks before he thinks. That’s a common human failure. If seems. So I try hard to stick to Jesus as close as I can; but I’m only human and Id been well indoctrinated as a 2x2. The legalistic business sneaks up here and then.
And I feel the “liberty” the atheists have spoken about; is simply that freedom from that severe legalistic 2x2isms. Simply because ex 2x2s have said the same thing, though they’re still believers.
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Post by James on Jan 25, 2020 3:02:21 GMT -5
Well the Workers' Convention wrapped up last Sunday at the convention grounds near Sydney and everybody went back to their fields.
I have heard that on the last day of the Convention, the NSW staff attended a meeting where the leadership changes in that state (as mentioned by others on this thread) were announced.
Many elders and friends are happy that Allan Kitto is no longer the overseer in NSW. No doubt some believe he has been treated unfairly.
It was nice to hear that on the day after the Convention finished, two younger workers (from Qld and Western Australia) were married in Sydney. In a note issued by family members announcing the occasion it was stated that they will need everyone's love, prayers and support.
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Post by openingact34 on Jan 25, 2020 15:25:31 GMT -5
It was nice to hear that on the day after the Convention finished, two younger workers (from Qld and Western Australia) were married in Sydney. In a note issued by family members announcing the occasion it was stated that they will need everyone's love, prayers and support. Are they being allowed to continue in the work? Or is it really two ex workers getting married?
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Post by James on Jan 25, 2020 17:04:19 GMT -5
It was nice to hear that on the day after the Convention finished, two younger workers (from Qld and Western Australia) were married in Sydney. In a note issued by family members announcing the occasion it was stated that they will need everyone's love, prayers and support. Are they being allowed to continue in the work? Or is it really two ex workers getting married? They became ex-workers the moment they married. Unfortunately they don’t accept married workers. I think they like to believe that most of the 12 apostles were not married - Paul indicates in 1 Cor 9 that it was the norm for the apostles to be married.
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Post by mountain on Jan 25, 2020 17:08:20 GMT -5
Are they being allowed to continue in the work? Or is it really two ex workers getting married? They became ex-workers the moment they married.
Unfortunately they don’t accept married workers. I think they like to believe that most of the 12 apostles were not married - Paul indicates in 1 Cor 9 that it was the norm for the apostles to be married. A divorce and marriage at the same time?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 25, 2020 17:12:14 GMT -5
They became ex-workers the moment they married.
Unfortunately they don’t accept married workers. I think they like to believe that most of the 12 apostles were not married - Paul indicates in 1 Cor 9 that it was the norm for the apostles to be married. A divorce and marriage at the same time? But there's still the bride of christ in the mix so this is truly a trinity.
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Post by mountain on Jan 25, 2020 17:18:11 GMT -5
A divorce and marriage at the same time? But there's still the bride of christ in the mix so this is truly a trinity. Goodness me, I never thought of that my dear Enzedder friend. It's not often that Nathan is wrong, but he's right again. As the old Eritrean saying goes....'Unto those who dine, hunger is staved!' Such wise, wise words.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Feb 3, 2020 18:04:25 GMT -5
I hope that Australian saints and servants can get a grip on the CSA problem. It took 60 minutes to bring it to light.
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Post by chuck on Feb 3, 2020 18:29:50 GMT -5
I hope that Australian saints and servants can get a grip on the CSA problem. It took 60 minutes to bring it to light. So long as people protect what they think is "God's Kingdom"(The Truth, The Way, The Friends, The Workers) the problem will remain. Im sure many know of cases currently that should be dealt with but cannot be because saints and servants are protecting "The Kingdom". Sad!, and severly misguided!.
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Post by Pragmatic on Feb 3, 2020 19:31:38 GMT -5
Well the Workers' Convention wrapped up last Sunday at the convention grounds near Sydney and everybody went back to their fields. I have heard that on the last day of the Convention, the NSW staff attended a meeting where the leadership changes in that state (as mentioned by others on this thread) were announced. Many elders and friends are happy that Allan Kitto is no longer the overseer in NSW. No doubt some believe he has been treated unfairly. It was nice to hear that on the day after the Convention finished, two younger workers (from Qld and Western Australia) were married in Sydney. In a note issued by family members announcing the occasion it was stated that they will need everyone's love, prayers and support. They kind of overdid the Smoke from the Chimney thing in announcing the new Pope over there.....we got the haze here!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 19:49:08 GMT -5
Pragmatic, the smoke was the wrong colour, it should have been as white as snow. I would say the smoke that you got over in NZ, was all the four day talk going up in smoke. There have not been any earth shattering announcements since the Convention. Sounds like a normal Worker's meeting, "Up in Smoke".
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Post by nathan on Feb 3, 2020 21:41:57 GMT -5
Are they being allowed to continue in the work? Or is it really two ex workers getting married? They became ex-workers the moment they married. Unfortunately they don’t accept married workers. I think they like to believe that most of the 12 apostles were not married - Paul indicates in 1 Cor 9 that it was the norm for the apostles to be married. *** No, it was NOT the norm for the apostles to be maried... The RCC adopted unmarried priests, Cardinals, and popes, they copied the pattern from Jesus, Paul, Barnabas, and others like them and NOT follow peter as married apostles and a few like them. Most of the Vaudois apostles were unmarried preachers for 1800 yrs like Jesus and Paul, very few of them were married or had any children with them because of their constant travelling lifestyle as preachers of the gospel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 0:17:43 GMT -5
Workers should be married, they would be far more practical and much happier. Would be able to relate to laity in a better way. There were many married Workers in the past, why did it change. One of the most sensible Workers I ever met was Bill Carroll, married with family. They didn't come any better than Bill Carroll. Main stream Protestant Church Ministers are mostly married with family. They are much more understanding, and give better pastoral care, much more proficient in dealing with personal difficulties.
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Post by fixit on Feb 4, 2020 0:31:49 GMT -5
Pragmatic, the smoke was the wrong colour, it should have been as white as snow. I would say the smoke that you got over in NZ, was all the four day talk going up in smoke. There have not been any earth shattering announcements since the Convention. Sounds like a normal Worker's meeting, "Up in Smoke". Anyway, thanks for the red sun and beautiful sunsets. Also, the haze helps to lower our summer temperatures (not today though).
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 4, 2020 0:52:04 GMT -5
I hope that Australian saints and servants can get a grip on the CSA problem. It took 60 minutes to bring it to light. So long as people protect what they think is "God's Kingdom"(The Truth, The Way, The Friends, The Workers) the problem will remain. Im sure many know of cases currently that should be dealt with but cannot be because saints and servants are protecting "The Kingdom". Sad!, and severly misguided!. How can they be misguided when they have a personal relationship with God and are constantly getting detailed guidance through prayer?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 3:36:31 GMT -5
So long as people protect what they think is "God's Kingdom"(The Truth, The Way, The Friends, The Workers) the problem will remain. Im sure many know of cases currently that should be dealt with but cannot be because saints and servants are protecting "The Kingdom". Sad!, and severly misguided!. How can they be misguided when they have a personal relationship with God and are constantly getting detailed guidance through prayer? golly gosh, how indeed!? 😂 Maybe the "detailed guidance" is the problem. After all, haven't we heard that these Devil's in the details?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 3:41:04 GMT -5
So long as people protect what they think is "God's Kingdom"(The Truth, The Way, The Friends, The Workers) the problem will remain. Im sure many know of cases currently that should be dealt with but cannot be because saints and servants are protecting "The Kingdom". Sad!, and severly misguided!. How can they be misguided when they have a personal relationship with God and are constantly getting detailed guidance through prayer? your forgetting the other side of the equation, satan....
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Post by Admin on Feb 4, 2020 6:03:57 GMT -5
It was nice to hear that on the day after the Convention finished, two younger workers (from Qld and Western Australia) were married in Sydney. In a note issued by family members announcing the occasion it was stated that they will need everyone's love, prayers and support. Married to each other, or was it two weddings? Did they attend the Workers Convention, and are they still in the work? Can you give us names for prayer support.
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Post by Admin on Feb 4, 2020 6:11:10 GMT -5
Sorry, I see you answered part of this "They became ex-workers the moment they married." To each other, presumably.
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