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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 7, 2020 20:01:07 GMT -5
No one said you were. You don't need to be omnipotent to make good decisions about yourself. And not all decisions you do make turn out to be the best, that's a fact of life for everyone. So if you depend on God to tell you want is best for you, why hasn't all your decisions not been absolutely the best ones. I'm sure you've messed up sometimes, right? Well join the club. All humans do that. I think you mistake the answers I seek from God. It’s mire of the spiritual realm. Yes, I do run what I’m thinking about things of everyday life and kind of leave it there. But my questions are biblical/spiritual, and those are answered maybe not always right away, but sometimes no answer makes me think it through for myself. It works that way also. STR: "those are answered maybe not always right away, but sometimes no answer makes me think it through for myself. It works that way also."
That is exactly what I have said before about believing our "prayers" are answered. As I said, at one time I believed the same myself.
If "GOD" was silent and my "prayers" were NOT being answered, -I had a reason for that!
1. What I had prayed for wasn't for the best. 2. It didn't happen because it wasn't the right time. 3. It wasn't God's purpose.
All that time I had been the one doing all the talking; "god" wasn't saying one word. Not only that, but I had even been giving "god" excuses for NOT answering !
Finally, -it dawned on me that all of the talking was being done by myself! There really wasn't even anyone called a "god" there! I was just talking to myself!
We mortals can really fool ourselves into believing a lot of stuff, -mostly because it makes us feel better.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 7, 2020 20:35:24 GMT -5
You’ve completely misrepresented what I’ve said! What’s your beef! No beef. I'm just commenting on the distinct impression you leave with your certainty that the rest of us don't know enough to appreciate your spirituality. As I’ve said before, for the atheists own sake I’m hoping none have tasted of that being born again in the spirit by the Spirit. I don’t even want to think about it.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 7, 2020 20:36:44 GMT -5
I think you mistake the answers I seek from God. It’s mire of the spiritual realm. Yes, I do run what I’m thinking about things of everyday life and kind of leave it there. But my questions are biblical/spiritual, and those are answered maybe not always right away, but sometimes no answer makes me think it through for myself. It works that way also. STR: "those are answered maybe not always right away, but sometimes no answer makes me think it through for myself. It works that way also."
That is exactly what I have said before about believing our "prayers" are answered. As I said, at one time I believed the same myself.
If "GOD" was silent and my "prayers" were NOT being answered, -I had a reason for that!
1. What I had prayed for wasn't for the best. 2. It didn't happen because it wasn't the right time. 3. It wasn't God's purpose.
All that time I had been the one doing all the talking; "god" wasn't saying one word. Not only that, but I had even been giving "god" excuses for NOT answering !
Finally, -it dawned on me that all of the talking was being done by myself! There really wasn't even anyone called a "god" there! I was just talking to myself!
We mortals can really fool ourselves into believing a lot of stuff, -mostly because it makes us feel better.
Then there’s the case God gave us brains and that was to use them but not to doubtful disputations.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 7, 2020 20:43:55 GMT -5
THATS WHERE I GOT THAT GOD INTENDED TO MAke THEM JEALOUS But no! You had to put all that garbage in about Greek/Catholic etc. as if I don’t know what I’m talking about No. That's not where you got all that. You've been thoroughly and indoctrinated in Christian theology to the point where you treat it like the state of the cosmos. You know so little about the origins of your belief system. That's not an insult -- it's an extremely common situation with the vast majority of Christians. I'm sorry if this offends, but from a historical aspect it's all quite amateur. I’m not of the vast majority of Christians. I see you still don’t believe that what I’ve learned about the Bible is more from what I’ve studied in the Bible then what I’ve heard from any ministerial helps. That’s the reason I’ve found the workers in the average stunted in their understandings if the Bible. They repeat what they’ve heard others preach. But there have been a few that have grasped it just like I have by reading it and really studying it. Evan Jones from New Zealand was perhaps one of the first I knew of. Leslie White had been getting there. There were a few others but they are few and far between. But you still think I’m Catholic in my beliefs. Not entirely. But what I’ve come to was entirely in my own. You said yourself you couldn’t believe that was so but I tell you it is.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 7, 2020 20:45:15 GMT -5
You’re show a lot of not knowing Jesus. He came to fulfill all biblical prophecies and in dying for all sinners he did just exactly what Moses said God would do. It doesn't matter how much I know about Jesus. What I do know is that what you say about the NT fulfilling OT prophesies is absolutely, totally, exclusively, Christian doctrine and Christian fundamentalist theology. It explains zilch about any other understanding of the cosmos. I'm not the expert, but I know your limitations. You THINK you know my limitations. I’m learning all the time, so my limitations don’t exist.
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Post by reborn on Jan 7, 2020 20:54:39 GMT -5
Bob, weren’t you a former elder? Now that is scary.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 7, 2020 21:23:45 GMT -5
No beef. I'm just commenting on the distinct impression you leave with your certainty that the rest of us don't know enough to appreciate your spirituality. As I’ve said before, for the atheists own sake I’m hoping none have tasted of that being born again in the spirit by the Spirit. I don’t even want to think about it. Why not?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 7, 2020 21:28:58 GMT -5
No. That's not where you got all that. You've been thoroughly and indoctrinated in Christian theology to the point where you treat it like the state of the cosmos. You know so little about the origins of your belief system. That's not an insult -- it's an extremely common situation with the vast majority of Christians. I'm sorry if this offends, but from a historical aspect it's all quite amateur. But you still think I’m Catholic in my beliefs. Not entirely. But what I’ve come to was entirely in my own. You said yourself you couldn’t believe that was so but I tell you it is. Not Catholic in name, for sure. But there is no Christian scripture that is NOT Catholic that I am aware of -- except possibly the Book of Mormon.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 7, 2020 21:34:53 GMT -5
It doesn't matter how much I know about Jesus. What I do know is that what you say about the NT fulfilling OT prophesies is absolutely, totally, exclusively, Christian doctrine and Christian fundamentalist theology. It explains zilch about any other understanding of the cosmos. I'm not the expert, but I know your limitations. You THINK you know my limitations. I’m learning all the time, so my limitations don’t exist. You've just given me your limitations. You confine yourself to the scriptures provided to you by the Catholic church -- period. And you don't even accept why the Church selected those scriptures. It's you, God, and Catholic scripture.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 7, 2020 21:53:08 GMT -5
No. That's not where you got all that. You've been thoroughly and indoctrinated in Christian theology to the point where you treat it like the state of the cosmos. You know so little about the origins of your belief system. That's not an insult -- it's an extremely common situation with the vast majority of Christians. I'm sorry if this offends, but from a historical aspect it's all quite amateur. I’m not of the vast majority of Christians. I see you still don’t believe that what I’ve learned about the Bible is more from what I’ve studied in the Bible then what I’ve heard from any ministerial helps. That’s the reason I’ve found the workers in the average stunted in their understandings if the Bible. They repeat what they’ve heard others preach. But there have been a few that have grasped it just like I have by reading it and really studying it. Evan Jones from New Zealand was perhaps one of the first I knew of. Leslie White had been getting there. There were a few others but they are few and far between. But you still think I’m Catholic in my beliefs. Not entirely. But what I’ve come to was entirely in my own. You said yourself you couldn’t believe that was so but I tell you it is. Please reread your words STR.
Then ask yourself what you would think about anyone else who might claim the same thing about themselves that you have just said about yourself.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 7, 2020 22:05:15 GMT -5
Bob, weren’t you a former elder? Now that is scary. Not elder, but four times appointed alternate elder. I saw to it that I never got asked to be elder.
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Post by nathan on Jan 7, 2020 22:59:54 GMT -5
Bob, weren’t you a former elder? Now that is scary. Not elder, but four times appointed alternate elder. I saw to it that I never got asked to be elder. Alternated elder is an elder if the elder NOT there to take the meeting! Yes, That is scary, reborn. He was NOT that bad 2x2, reborn. I knew him when he was supposedly a good 2x2.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 7, 2020 23:10:37 GMT -5
You THINK you know my limitations. I’m learning all the time, so my limitations don’t exist. You've just given me your limitations. You confine yourself to the scriptures provided to you by the Catholic church -- period. And you don't even accept why the Church selected those scriptures. It's you, God, and Catholic scripture. You never consider that the indwelling Holy Spirit is the best teacher of all truths. I can’t expect you to understand that for you’ve certainly shown you don’t. There’s NO LIMITATIONS when the Holy Spirit is involved.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 7, 2020 23:12:57 GMT -5
I’m not of the vast majority of Christians. I see you still don’t believe that what I’ve learned about the Bible is more from what I’ve studied in the Bible then what I’ve heard from any ministerial helps. That’s the reason I’ve found the workers in the average stunted in their understandings if the Bible. They repeat what they’ve heard others preach. But there have been a few that have grasped it just like I have by reading it and really studying it. Evan Jones from New Zealand was perhaps one of the first I knew of. Leslie White had been getting there. There were a few others but they are few and far between. But you still think I’m Catholic in my beliefs. Not entirely. But what I’ve come to was entirely in my own. You said yourself you couldn’t believe that was so but I tell you it is. Please reread your words STR.
Then ask yourself what you would think about anyone else who might claim the same thing about themselves that you have just said about yourself.I know what and where I’m talking about and from. Because you don’t get it I can’t help that. Just quit assuming you do know because as it stands at present you will never know!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 7, 2020 23:21:00 GMT -5
Not elder, but four times appointed alternate elder. I saw to it that I never got asked to be elder. Alternated elder is an elder if the elder NOT there to take the meeting! Yes, That is scary, reborn. He was NOT that bad 2x2, reborn. I knew him when he was supposedly a good 2x2. Yes, I remember. That was before Jesus moved to Venus. hahahaha
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 7, 2020 23:32:43 GMT -5
Please reread your words STR.
Then ask yourself what you would think about anyone else who might claim the same thing about themselves that you have just said about yourself. I know what and where I’m talking about and from. Because you don’t get it I can’t help that. Just quit assuming you do know because as it stands at present you will never know! I believe that I do "get it"
If you could get out of yourself a bit & take a look at what you believe about yourself, -I think that you would discover how every other person who decided that they also know "god's" will so much better than any other person, -that they started another Christian church.
Most were men of course, -but a few were women. Good luck.
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Post by nathan on Jan 7, 2020 23:39:49 GMT -5
Alternated elder is an elder if the elder NOT there to take the meeting! Yes, That is scary, reborn. He was NOT that bad 2x2, reborn. I knew him when he was supposedly a good 2x2. Yes, I remember. That was before Jesus moved to Venus. hahahaha Yep, back then ALL I knew Jesus lived in heaven with His heavenly Father.... Now, I understand and KNOW God the Father, Christ/Jesus and the Holy Spirit have been living inside Interior planet of Venus for millions or billions of years or more.
Job 38:1-7 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
~~ Jesus The Great " I AM " God (From The Dead Sea Scrolls found in caves 1947) I, the Lord God of creation, who was and who is and who shall always be the one true God, the mind, the very center of the Universe, speaks to your own heart. The words that I have spoken to my prophets Moses and others were that he should recognize that the great “I Am.” filled his being with the power and the authority to open his mouth in my name and to proclaim his words as a living words that I placed deeply within him. I have in times past spoken through the mouths of my prophets and then through the mouths of my apostles. Now the times and seasons are approaching, as are the reasons, when my words shall again be spoken by my obedient prophets and apostles. Their words shall be my words and their deeds that shall be my deeds, because I have spoken this thing before the World was ever formed. Those words that I now speak shall be hidden for a season and then shall be revealed in the last times I shall cause the Earth to quake and the sunlight, which represents the new dawning, shall shine brightly upon those who are appointed to carry my words from the darkness of the caves to the bright sunlight of my new revelation to all mankind ... and mankind shall read and they shall study those words and they shall find that they are the words that will cause an awakening to occur in the minds of mankind. It has been said in times past that I am in the wind and I am in the fire and I am into the waters. These words are not true. The truth of this matter is that I am the wind. I am the fire. I am the water. I am in everything and in everything that exists. When you touch the mountain, you touch me. When you are touching the water, you are touching me. When you touch the fire, you are touching me. I am the Lord of the Universe and there is not one place that I am not. I am not in the flowers, the plants, the fruit of the land, but I am the flowers. I am the plants. I am the fruit of the land. Mankind will climb into the heavens. I am not in the heavenly, but I am the heavenly. When I created man from the dust of the Earth, I was the dust of the Earth and I was and am the breath of life that causes mankind to live. Say not that the Lord your God is in the heavens or on the Earth. I am the heavens and I am the Earth. Now you have received the true revelation of my word, which was spoken to you in times past. The word said that I am everywhere present. I am omnipresent. I am not part of myself, but rather I am the whole of the Universe. Wherever you look, wherever you come or go, whatever you do or say, I am there in the midst of you because I am not only in, but rather I am you! It shall be written in the future that man is the universe. I say to you that I do not dwell in the universe of mankind, but I am that Universe of Mankind, and there is no separation whatsoever. These words that I have spoken to you at this time and in this place are that you might believe the truth of the message that as my Father is one with me so is the Spirit one with me. Now I am likewise in you and you are in me and that means I am one and you are with me. Have I not spoken these words in the past that I am in you and you are in me? (John 17:21) Jesus said, " That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Let this testimony be with you forever and forever, as we together traverse the streets of that sojourn from dawn to night. Be at peace and look deeply within yourself and you will find me. Again I have spoken the words in the past that you are indeed gods. I am your God. This revelation is of utmost importance and you must believe the whole truth as I have spoken it in your pure hearing. I say to you, allow the vibrations of your spirit, your inner ear, be unstopped and hear what the Spirit says to you at this hour. I am the center of your universe, because I am the whole of your universe. Know this, for this is the word of the living God, the Creator of all things which are. In time and seasons to come this word will be revealed to you and you shall behold the brightness of this truth, and you shall say, “This is the light for which I have long awaited. This is the revelation that will hold and maintain me through every experience of life.” Beware, there are those who would destroy this truth, but they shall not be able to destroy this truth because the truth abides in you and you abide in the truth. I have spoken in times past. And I have said that the truth shall cause many to walk in freedom, out of darkness and satanic bondage. And they shall have no further influence or rule over you. I have spoken these truths by the words of my lips and these words are true. Accept them and you shall live in peace, in joy and in victory over all things. Amen! You are invited to share this information with others, but kindly acknowledge copyright and keep this article intact. © Dr. Frank E. Stranges
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Post by benar on Jan 8, 2020 0:24:31 GMT -5
But according to each religion, you are either going to Christian Hell for not accepting Jesus or you're going to Islamic Hell for not praying 5 times a day. Which hell are you going to? Neither! Can you explain your reasoning please. It seems pretty clear to me - what have I missed?
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Post by benar on Jan 8, 2020 0:26:19 GMT -5
I think if you really understood how hard it is to die, you might change your mind about not fearing death. I think some believers just think atheists are being stupid for not using wise judgement I know I do. Jetmech, are you referring to Pascal's wager here?
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Post by Grant on Jan 8, 2020 1:12:12 GMT -5
Again Nathan, that's not from the Dead Scrolls, it's what Stranges claimed the Angel revealed to him. Angels also revealed scripture to Mohammad and Joseph Smith, difference is plenty of people believed them, compared to Stranges half dozen or so followers including yourself.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 8, 2020 1:17:33 GMT -5
How much warning did your god give you that the Chch earthquakes were going to happen? Why would He give specific warning about that? He has given general warning of things to come and time to be ready. I see!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 8, 2020 1:21:59 GMT -5
Can you explain your reasoning please. It seems pretty clear to me - what have I missed? I’m not going to hell
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 8, 2020 1:22:16 GMT -5
Not elder, but four times appointed alternate elder. I saw to it that I never got asked to be elder. Alternated elder is an elder if the elder NOT there to take the meeting! Yes, That is scary, reborn. He was NOT that bad 2x2, reborn. I knew him when he was supposedly a good 2x2. Is there such a thing as a "good" 2x2?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 8, 2020 1:41:05 GMT -5
Can you explain your reasoning please. It seems pretty clear to me - what have I missed? I’m not going to hell Read it again. He clearly did NOT say you were going to hell.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 8, 2020 1:42:06 GMT -5
Alternated elder is an elder if the elder NOT there to take the meeting! Yes, That is scary, reborn. He was NOT that bad 2x2, reborn. I knew him when he was supposedly a good 2x2. Is there such a thing as a "good" 2x2? A dead one -- as an old worker I knew would say.
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Post by nathan on Jan 8, 2020 1:58:27 GMT -5
Is there such a thing as a "good" 2x2? A dead one -- as an old worker I knew would say. Yes, A Dead Faith for now... There is still hope for you, BobW. While there is life, there is hope.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 8, 2020 2:55:38 GMT -5
A dead one -- as an old worker I knew would say. Yes, A Dead Faith for now... There is still hope for you, BobW. While there is life, there is hope.You missed the point altogether. The worker said a dead 2x2, nothing about a dead faith at all.
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Post by benar on Jan 8, 2020 3:05:26 GMT -5
Can you explain your reasoning please. It seems pretty clear to me - what have I missed? I’m not going to hell Hmm, that's a restatement of your original statement, not an explanation. Islamic doctrine says you will go to hell for not praying toward Mecca five times a day. Can you please explain why you believe that will not be the case.
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