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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 3, 2019 20:50:15 GMT -5
We all know that the reason the word trinity is not used is beacause of the preaching by Workers of it being a "false doctrine" and from the Catholic church. The Workers maybe be saying the Godhead....but not the Trinity ! The ones I have spoken with totally understand Godhead and Trinity. Some use one , some use both, some believe they are excactly the same. It is beautiful to fellowship with them. But is it the same ? Are you in the US reborn ?
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Post by reborn on Dec 3, 2019 20:52:35 GMT -5
The ones I have spoken with totally understand Godhead and Trinity. Some use one , some use both, some believe they are excactly the same. It is beautiful to fellowship with them. But is it the same ? Are you in the US reborn ? Yes, I am a US citizen. I believe from my own personal prayer, and revelation from God that they are the same.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 3, 2019 20:57:36 GMT -5
But is it the same ? Are you in the US reborn ? Yes, I am a US citizen. I believe from my own personal prayer, and revelation from God that they are the same. Thank you. But the thing is just because you believe that, doesn't mean that is what the 2x2s believe. Sure there are those that are on the "outer edges" of the 2x2s that have a different view,but the majority of them do not believe or use the word trinity. The reason I started this thread was because nathan had called Sunday meeting "Sunday Trinity Worship meeting" on another thread.
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Post by reborn on Dec 3, 2019 20:59:45 GMT -5
Yes, I am a US citizen. I believe from my own personal prayer, and revelation from God that they are the same. Thank you. But the thing is just because you believe that, doesn't mean that is what the 2x2s believe. Sure there are those that are on the "outer edges" of the 2x2s that have a different view,but the majority of them do not believe or use the word trinity. The reason I started this thread was because nathan had called Sunday meeting "Sunday Trinity Worship meeting" on another thread. As long as we are seeking out accuracy’s- The friends call themselves friends, and not 2x2’s
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 3, 2019 21:02:26 GMT -5
Godhead means much more than that. I encourage you to study it out further. I don’t use the word Trinity personally, but believe in what it is. I’ve learned in recent times that God, Divine, Godhead are not persons names; it is their nature. This came to me when I accidentally read the NIV version of Phillipians 2:6. Where it say “Whom(Jesus) is in very nature God, thinking it not robbery to be equal to God...” The verse that says Jesus possessed the Godhead bodily just means he possessed the God nature bodily.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 3, 2019 21:08:31 GMT -5
Thank you. But the thing is just because you believe that, doesn't mean that is what the 2x2s believe. Sure there are those that are on the "outer edges" of the 2x2s that have a different view,but the majority of them do not believe or use the word trinity. The reason I started this thread was because nathan had called Sunday meeting "Sunday Trinity Worship meeting" on another thread. As long as we are seeking out accuracy’s- The friends call themselves friends, and not 2x2’s I am well aware that the F&Ws call themselves "The Friends and Workers" So if it fits better for you change 2x2s to F&Ws ! But that doesn't change what the majority of them believe.
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Post by reborn on Dec 3, 2019 21:11:40 GMT -5
You can not state what the majority of them believe. You don’t have that information. Only God does!
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 3, 2019 22:05:10 GMT -5
You can not state what the majority of them believe. You don’t have that information. Only God does! reborn we know what our own experiences are, we also know that no Worker is going to get up and preach using the "word" trinity !!
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 3, 2019 22:07:44 GMT -5
You can not state what the majority of them believe. You don’t have that information. Only God does! reborn we know what our own experiences are, we also know that no Worker is going to get up and preach using the "word" trinity !! You only have to go onto some of the FB Groups and start saying "trinity" and you see the response. So it comes down to the difference between Godhead and Trinity.
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Post by Grant on Dec 3, 2019 22:11:01 GMT -5
We all know that the reason the word trinity is not used is beacause of the preaching by Workers of it being a "false doctrine" and from the Catholic church. The Workers maybe be saying the Godhead....but not the Trinity ! The ones I have spoken with totally understand Godhead and Trinity. Some use one , some use both, some believe they are excactly the same. It is beautiful to fellowship with them. Understanding it and believing it are two different things. Do they believe that Jesus is God? We have professing people on this board, including a worker. They believe Jesus is divine but not God.
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Post by reborn on Dec 3, 2019 22:13:56 GMT -5
Yes, it has been studied out and is believed by many of the friends and workers now.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 3, 2019 22:20:12 GMT -5
Yes, it has been studied out and is believed by many of the friends and workers now. So the F&Ws now believe Jesus is God ? The Workers are now preaching Jesus is God reborn ? But are they using the word "trinity" ?
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Post by reborn on Dec 3, 2019 22:23:19 GMT -5
You can not state what the majority of them believe. You don’t have that information. Only God does! reborn we know what our own experiences are, we also know that no Worker is going to get up and preach using the "word" trinity !! Ghey don’t have to use the word Trinity- Msny use the word Godhead interchangeably. The workers that I know believe that to be true are able to freely and openly speak and pray.
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Post by reborn on Dec 3, 2019 22:23:57 GMT -5
reborn we know what our own experiences are, we also know that no Worker is going to get up and preach using the "word" trinity !! They don’t have to use the word Trinity- Many use the word Godhead interchangeably. The workers that I know believe that to be true are able to freely and openly speak and pray.
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Post by reborn on Dec 3, 2019 22:24:55 GMT -5
reborn we know what our own experiences are, we also know that no Worker is going to get up and preach using the "word" trinity !! They don’t have to use the word Trinity- Many use the word Godhead interchangeably. The workers that I know believe that to be true are able to freely and openly speak and pray.
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Post by reborn on Dec 3, 2019 22:30:31 GMT -5
Yes, it has been studied out and is believed by many of the friends and workers now. So the F&Ws now believe Jesus is God ? The Workers are now preaching Jesus is God reborn ? But are they using the word "trinity" ? I don’t make wide and sweeping statements about all the friends and workers. Many that I personally know do believe that Jesus is a part of the Godhead- During my own personal discussions with them, it is quite clear that they understand and believe that this is what is commonly known or referred to as the Trinity. You don’t find the word Trinity in the Bible, so it is a personal choice of some to not use that word.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 3, 2019 23:14:17 GMT -5
So the F&Ws now believe Jesus is God ? The Workers are now preaching Jesus is God reborn ? But are they using the word "trinity" ? I don’t make wide and sweeping statements about all the friends and workers. Many that I personally know do believe that Jesus is a part of the Godhead- During my own personal discussions with them, it is quite clear that they understand and believe that this is what is commonly known or referred to as the Trinity. You don’t find the word Trinity in the Bible, so it is a personal choice of some to not use that word. Is believing Jesus us part of the Godhead the same as believing Jesus is God reborn ? Do you believe Jesus is God ?
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Post by reborn on Dec 3, 2019 23:19:07 GMT -5
Yes- interchangeably
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Post by nathan on Dec 3, 2019 23:22:04 GMT -5
We all know that the reason the word trinity is not used is beacause of the preaching by Workers of it being a "false doctrine" and from the Catholic church. The Workers maybe be saying the Godhead....but not the Trinity ! The ones I have spoken with totally understand Godhead and Trinity. Some use one , some use both, some believe they are excactly the same. It is beautiful to fellowship with them. Amen! me too, Reborn because many of the friends in our Sunday and Wed. meetings came in the 2x2 fellowship from other churches and they believed in the TRINITY and Jesus is God.
The FRIENDS are beginning to THINK! for themselves now... They search these things out and NOT to believe everything from the platform is the gospel TRUTH like in the past... Look what happened to the workers who taught them were anti-Trinity believers and looked at the MESS they had created for the fellowship! Now, the 2x2s branded as non-believers and Anti-Christ/God.
These workers taught the friends for 70 yrs that the TRINITY is heresy and the devil's doctrine. They excommunicated the 2x2 Trinity workers and believers but when THEY themselves STILL worship the TRINITY every Sunday morning for 120 yrs, and they DON'T EVEN KNOW it. That is so SAD.
~~ John Wegter (ex-worker ) wrote: I heard a fairly young -- but already quite influential -- sister worker speak a message at a large convention in 2009 something that I considered to be quite in error in doctrine, regarding the nature of the Lord Jesus, in which she over-emphasized His humanity, very much at the expense of His divinity. I was quite distressed with the message, and not knowing this particular lady personally at all, had no idea if it's something she preaches all the time, or if she just happened to be misunderstood in her emphasis in that particular meeting.
Whatever the case, in the very next meeting, two individuals -- an older lady in testimony and the brother worker who had the longest part in the meeting -- both made some very explicit statements, not mentioning her or her message, but making it clear that our Lord was both fully human AND fully divine, and presenting sound teaching to back up their points. I hope someone who knew her well (and I wouldn't be surprised that the brother worker did so, knowing his approach) helped her see the error of teaching one side without presenting the other. I was grateful for the sake of everyone present that a more complete message was presented, because otherwise it would have been a very discordant and lopsided impression given of our Savior.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 3, 2019 23:27:09 GMT -5
Are you saying yes you believe Jesus is God reborn. Would you get up in a Sunday meeting and say Jesus is God ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 3, 2019 23:27:57 GMT -5
The ones I have spoken with totally understand Godhead and Trinity. Some use one , some use both, some believe they are excactly the same. It is beautiful to fellowship with them. Amen! me too, Reborn because many of the friends in our Sunday and Wed. meetings came in the 2x2 fellowship from other churches and they believed in the TRINITY and Jesus is God.
The FRIENDS are beginning to THINK! for themselves now... They search these things out and NOT to believe everything from the platform is the gospel TRUTH like in the past... Look what happened to the workers who taught them were anti-Trinity believers and looked at the MESS they had created for the fellowship! Now, the 2x2s branded as non-believers and Anti-Christ/God.
These workers taught the friends for 70 yrs that the TRINITY is heresy and the devil's doctrine. They excommunicated the 2x2 Trinity workers and believers but when THEY themselves STILL worship the TRINITY every Sunday morning for 120 yrs, and they DON'T EVEN KNOW it. That is so funny!
So why do you still go to meetings nathan ?
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 3, 2019 23:28:34 GMT -5
You can not state what the majority of them believe. You don’t have that information. Only God does! Certainly what the "friends" apparently believe NOW differs a lot from what we believed when I was still professing.
Probably one of the reasons for the difference is the "outing" of the beginnings of the F&Ws, -as well as information itself is more easily made world wide at present.
I never even heard the word Trinity or "godhead" back then.
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Post by reborn on Dec 3, 2019 23:34:06 GMT -5
Are you saying yes you believe Jesus is God reborn. Would you get up in a Sunday meeting and say Jesus is God ? yes! Always wise to speak what the Holy Spirit has placed on your heart to share.
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Post by nathan on Dec 3, 2019 23:40:42 GMT -5
Are you saying yes you believe Jesus is God reborn . Would you get up in a Sunday meeting and say Jesus is God ? This is what I have done in the past 5 yrs in my Sunday morning meetings, Union meetings, and Wed. nights Bible studies while the workers in the meetings! I just quoted verses where it said Jesus is God and LORD and the workers listened what I had to say and they nod their heads in agreement.John the apostle wrote the Word is God/Christ and the Word made flesh/Jesus. John 1:1-3;14 Jesus Christ confirmed he is the Word/God. Rev. 19:11-13
Jesus said he is the God Almighty Rev. 1:8 Jesus said he is God and we are His children Rev. 21:6-7
God the Father called the Son/Christ God and LORD Heb. 1:8-12 Mary the mother of Jesus called Him My God and Savior The apostle Thomas called Jesus My LORD and MY God.
Paul wrote in Col 2:9 For in him/Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
There are more verses/scriptures, where it shows us Jesus is the I AM that I AM God. Just point out these verses in the meetings! The workers can't DENY Jesus is NOT God/the Son.
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Post by nathan on Dec 3, 2019 23:57:13 GMT -5
Hi Reborn,
I wish all believers can READ this article. It's an eye opener! of WHO Jesus is, God the Co-Creator with God the Father in ALL things we have in the Universe, seen/visible and unseen/invisible.
~~ Jesus The Great " I AM " God (From The Dead Sea Scrolls found in caves 1947)
I, the Lord God of creation, who was and who is and who shall always be the one true God, the mind, the very center of the Universe, speaks to your own heart. The words that I have spoken to my prophets Moses and others were that he should recognize that the great “I Am.” filled his being with the power and the authority to open his mouth in my name and to proclaim his words as a living words that I placed deeply within him.
I have in times past spoken through the mouths of my prophets and then through the mouths of my apostles. Now the times and seasons are approaching, as are the reasons, when my words shall again be spoken by my obedient prophets and apostles. Their words shall be my words and their deeds that shall be my deeds, because I have spoken this thing before the World was ever formed. Those words that I now speak shall be hidden for a season and then shall be revealed in the last times
I shall cause the Earth to quake and the sunlight, which represents the new dawning, shall shine brightly upon those who are appointed to carry my words from the darkness of the caves to the bright sunlight of my new revelation to all mankind ... and mankind shall read and they shall study those words and they shall find that they are the words that will cause an awakening to occur in the minds of mankind.
It has been said in times past that I am in the wind and I am in the fire and I am into the waters. These words are not true. The truth of this matter is that I am the wind. I am the fire. I am the water. I am in everything and in everything that exists. When you touch the mountain, you touch me. When you are touching the water, you are touching me. When you touch the fire, you are touching me. I am the Lord of the Universe and there is not one place that I am not. I am not in the flowers, the plants, the fruit of the land, but I am the flowers. I am the plants. I am the fruit of the land. Mankind will climb into the heavens. I am not in the heavenly, but I am the heavenly. When I created man from the dust of the Earth, I was the dust of the Earth and I was and am the breath of life that causes mankind to live.
Say not that the Lord your God is in the heavens or on the Earth. I am the heavens and I am the Earth. Now you have received the true revelation of my word, which was spoken to you in times past. The word said that I am everywhere present. I am omnipresent. I am not part of myself, but rather I am the whole of the Universe. Wherever you look, wherever you come or go, whatever you do or say, I am there in the midst of you because I am not only in, but rather I am you!
It shall be written in the future that man is the universe. I say to you that I do not dwell in the universe of mankind, but I am that Universe of Mankind, and there is no separation whatsoever. These words that I have spoken to you at this time and in this place are that you might believe the truth of the message that as my Father is one with me so is the Spirit one with me. Now I am likewise in you and you are in me and that means I am one and you are with me. Have I not spoken these words in the past that I am in you and you are in me? (John 17:21) Jesus said, " That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Let this testimony be with you forever and forever, as we together traverse the streets of that sojourn from dawn to night. Be at peace and look deeply within yourself and you will find me.
Again I have spoken the words in the past that you are indeed gods. I am your God. This revelation is of utmost importance and you must believe the whole truth as I have spoken it in your pure hearing. I say to you, allow the vibrations of your spirit, your inner ear, be unstopped and hear what the Spirit says to you at this hour. I am the center of your universe, because I am the whole of your universe. Know this, for this is the word of the living God, the Creator of all things which are. In time and seasons to come this word will be revealed to you and you shall behold the brightness of this truth, and you shall say, “This is the light for which I have long awaited. This is the revelation that will hold and maintain me through every experience of life.”
Beware, there are those who would destroy this truth, but they shall not be able to destroy this truth because the truth abides in you and you abide in the truth. I have spoken in times past. And I have said that the truth shall cause many to walk in freedom, out of darkness and satanic bondage. And they shall have no further influence or rule over you. I have spoken these truths by the words of my lips and these words are true. Accept them and you shall live in peace, in joy and in victory over all things. Amen!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 4, 2019 0:00:34 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think Nathan was one of the workers who were booted out of the work about the time all the other workers were kicked out of the work for talking about the Trinity. ** Haha.. I didn't KNOW or understand the Doctine and history of the Trinity when I was in the work from 1986-93. I began studying the Trinity doctrine and history in great depth about 15 yrs ago. I studied why, when the 2x2 workers became anti-Trinity. I didnt get kicked out of the work but I left it on my own free will to become the internet worker on TMB. The deluded leads the deluded
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 4, 2019 0:29:40 GMT -5
Are you saying yes you believe Jesus is God reborn. Would you get up in a Sunday meeting and say Jesus is God ? yes! Always wise to speak what the Holy Spirit has placed on your heart to share. But you wouldn't use the word trinity reborn ?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 4, 2019 0:59:25 GMT -5
yes! Always wise to speak what the Holy Spirit has placed on your heart to share. But you wouldn't use the word trinity ? You know, I don’t care for the word Trinity either though have to admit what I believe is what the Trinity concept says. I don’t care for the word Trinity because people want to say that’s 3gods.
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