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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 30, 2019 22:57:40 GMT -5
Who has ever heard the Sunday fellowship meeting ever referred to as "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" ? Just to clarify, this is what nathan has called the Sunday meeting on another thread and seems to think that is what they should be called now !!!
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Post by nathan on Dec 1, 2019 1:12:58 GMT -5
Who has ever heard the Sunday fellowship meeting ever referred to as "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" ? Just to clarify, this is what nathan has called the Sunday meeting on another thread and seems to think that is what they should be called now !!! ~~ an ex-2x2 wrote in 8/3/2017 on TMB. I have an e-mail from Barb Hofer/Worker from Oregon, when I was writing back and forth to her and she put in writing that yes what I was revealed on my own through the holy spirit she also agrees with on the topic of who God is. One God who consists of 3 individual entities the father, the son, the holy spirit. She told me many friends don't get it but to not stop worshiping in spirit and in truth. I couldn't sit around the emblems with a people who worship Jesus, yet claim that he isn't God and we know that our Bible tells us to only worship one God so it contradicted itself when everyone was worshiping Jesus. They didn't get it and they didn't put Jesus in his fullness. meeting goers claim that it's the same everywhere. Doctrine is not sound when they're not even on the same page though and it was so saddening to me. John Long's Journal in 1899 wrote:
William Irvine's Doctrines & Leaderships: "Concerning the principals of the Doctrine of Christ, he [Wm Irvine] was sound. He believed in the fall of man, in the Atonement, in the Trinity, in the Divinity of our Lord, in the immortality of the soul, in the resurrection of the body, the inspiration of the Bible, in Heaven for the saved, and in Hell for the lost. He believed in a personal Devil, the enemy of God and man. He believed and taught Repentance and that every person can be saved and know it, and that the conditions of Salvation were "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9. He taught that every saved soul is indwelt by the Spirit of Christ; and that the life of Jesus, is the pattern for everyone to imitate and follow; and that the life of forsaking all for Christ's sake was the best to live. The fruits of that teaching resulted in farmers, shop keepers, domestic servants, school teachers, police, soldiers, and persons of every occupation forsaking all that they had to follow Jesus; and to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God." 2) Jack Carroll ( ex-overseer in Oregon, USA) - Sidney, Manitoba Convention - Monday Evening, November 9, 1914 "God is a trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Man is a trinity: body, soul, and spirit."
3) George Walker (1899 worker) www.trutharchive.net/george-walker---mccordsville-indiana---september-6-1975
You can't separate between the three persons in the Trinity because they are all one. They are used in this language to help our finite minds to understand Christ, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit suggests what a mother does for her children. He says, "When they put me on the cross, I will send the Holy Spirit, and He will be in you, teaching you, comforting you, and will be all that a mother could be to you. He can be closer to you than I can be in the flesh." God has made us in three parts, too. We say it is the body, soul, and the spirit. The Bible says sanctify spirit, soul, and body. The spirit is the part that God breathed in. You can't separate them. 4) Sam Charlton - The Word of God - Tacoma, Washington - 1958
God is a trinity and man is a trinity - body, soul, and spirit. It has been very wisely planned by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Heaven. They had a private conference and the subject was, “Let us create man in Our image and in Our Likeness.” 5) Leslie White (ex-overseer from Colorado, USA) 1st Oak Lodge Convention - Sunday morning, 2005
"One of the great mysteries that we have in our country and some of our Friends have been silly enough to have got involved in it, and that is that some try to explain the Trinity - The Father, Son and Holy Ghost, nobody can explain or understand that; none of us can understand that. No one can really, fully understand that, but we believe in those three and that they are one, but He is with God. He is God; He's not man; He's not an Angel; He's God-kind. He's like His Father; He's the Son. Just like a natural boy is like his dad, but he's not the dad, but he's got those qualities. He's God the Son; God the Father and God the Holy Ghost. " 6) elizabethcoleman said: 9/1/2015 This might do a few heads in: I have this from a recent convention attendee... "Barry Barkley (Overseer of overseers in the east coast of USA) emphasized that Jesus was fully God but came to earth to become human to enable the lowly sinners such as ourselves to be justified through Him and be with Him in heaven. Barry spoke of the relationship between "God the Father and God the Son." He tied Psalm 22 -- the prophesied words and experience of Jesus -- with passages in the New Testament. These thoughts, perhaps, are nothing "new" to the Bible-believing Christian, but I appreciated the spirit and illumination with which Barry presented elements of our hope in the gospel -- and our need and joyous privilege to make Christ the focal point of all our living." Elizabeth wrote: If you now have workers talking this way about God the Son, and Jesus being fully God, where does that leave F&W who strenuously oppose these "doctrines"?
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 1, 2019 1:19:11 GMT -5
Who has ever heard the Sunday fellowship meeting ever referred to as "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" ? Just to clarify, this is what nathan has called the Sunday meeting on another thread and seems to think that is what they should be called now !!! ~~ an ex-2x2 wrote in 8/3/2017 I have an e-mail from Barb Hofer/Worker from Oregon, when I was writing back and forth to her and she put in writing that yes what I was revealed on my own through the holy spirit she also agrees with on the topic of who God is. One God who consists of 3 individual entities the father, the son, the holy spirit. She told me many friends don't get it but to not stop worshiping in spirit and in truth. I couldn't sit around the emblems with a people who worship Jesus, yet claim that he isn't God and we know that our Bible tells us to only worship one God so it contradicted itself when everyone was worshiping Jesus. They didn't get it and they didn't put Jesus in his fullness. meeting goers claim that it's the same everywhere. Doctrine is not sound when they're not even on the same page though and it was so saddening to me. So just to clarify do you have a copy of it nathan ? Or does an "ex 2x2 wrote" have a copy of this email ? Also if you read what I actually wrote you will see that I asked has anyone ever heard a Worker or any of the friends refer to the Sunday meeting as "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" ? Its a simple question nathan !
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Post by nathan on Dec 1, 2019 1:34:38 GMT -5
~~ an ex-2x2 wrote in 8/3/2017 I have an e-mail from Barb Hofer/Worker from Oregon, when I was writing back and forth to her and she put in writing that yes what I was revealed on my own through the holy spirit she also agrees with on the topic of who God is. One God who consists of 3 individual entities the father, the son, the holy spirit. She told me many friends don't get it but to not stop worshiping in spirit and in truth. I couldn't sit around the emblems with a people who worship Jesus, yet claim that he isn't God and we know that our Bible tells us to only worship one God so it contradicted itself when everyone was worshiping Jesus. They didn't get it and they didn't put Jesus in his fullness. meeting goers claim that it's the same everywhere. Doctrine is not sound when they're not even on the same page though and it was so saddening to me. So just to clarify do you have a copy of it nathan ? Or does an "ex 2x2 wrote" have a copy of this email ? Also if you read what I actually wrote you will see that I asked has anyone ever heard a Worker or any of the friends refer to the Sunday meeting as "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" ? Its a simple question nathan ! An ex-2x2 posted the email on TMB in 2017.
Read what the early workers and some current workers Believe who the TRINITY is! God the Father, Christ/God and Holy Spirit. What do you think the 2x2 friends and current workers do when they go to Sunday morning worship meeting around the world. Who Do they WORSHIP, RT? God the Father ONLY, you think? Or Father, Christ/Jesus and Holy Spirit. This should NOT be a hard question for you. RT.
6) elizabethcoleman said: 9/1/2015 This might do a few heads in: I have this from a recent convention attendee...
"Barry Barkley (Overseer of overseers in the east coast of USA) emphasized that Jesus was fully God but came to earth to become human to enable the lowly sinners such as ourselves to be justified through Him and be with Him in heaven. Barry spoke of the relationship between "God the Father and God the Son." He tied Psalm 22 -- the prophesied words and experience of Jesus -- with passages in the New Testament. These thoughts, perhaps, are nothing "new" to the Bible-believing Christian, but I appreciated the spirit and illumination with which Barry presented elements of our hope in the gospel -- and our need and joyous privilege to make Christ the focal point of all our living."
~~ I believe the Trinity, Jesus is God the Son will make a come back, it might be the workers from back east starting this trend! And they will see the Sunday morning is a TRINITY worship meeting! for over 120 yrs.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 1, 2019 2:04:05 GMT -5
So just to clarify do you have a copy of it nathan ? Or does an "ex 2x2 wrote" have a copy of this email ? Also if you read what I actually wrote you will see that I asked has anyone ever heard a Worker or any of the friends refer to the Sunday meeting as "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" ? Its a simple question nathan ! An ex-2x2 posted the email on TMB in 2017.
Read what the early workers and some current workers Believe who the TRINITY is! God the Father, Christ/God and Holy Spirit. What do you think the 2x2 friends and current workers do when they go to Sunday morning worship meeting around the world. Who Do they WORSHIP, RT? God the Father ONLY, you think? Or Father, Christ/Jesus and Holy Spirit. This should NOT be a hard question for you. RT.
So really you personally don't have an email from any Worker !!! Once again you are not reading what I have said....the issue is NOT about what I believe the F&Ws are doing every Sunday morning in the meeting nathan !!! We all know what the F&Ws views are on the trinity....the issue I have is YOU calling the Sunday meeting "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" as if all the F&Ws say this .....this is another example of how you change things to suit what YOU believe not what 2x2s believe !! Of course there maybe Workers who believe in the Trinity....but they sure will not be preaching it !!
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Post by nathan on Dec 1, 2019 2:46:49 GMT -5
An ex-2x2 posted the email on TMB in 2017.
Read what the early workers and some current workers Believe who the TRINITY is! God the Father, Christ/God and Holy Spirit. What do you think the 2x2 friends and current workers do when they go to Sunday morning worship meeting around the world. Who Do they WORSHIP, RT? God the Father ONLY, you think? Or Father, Christ/Jesus and Holy Spirit. This should NOT be a hard question for you. RT.
So really you personally don't have an email from any Worker !!! Once again you are not reading what I have said....the issue is NOT about what I believe the F&Ws are doing every Sunday morning in the meeting nathan !!! We all know what the F&Ws views are on the trinity....the issue I have is YOU calling the Sunday meeting "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" as if all the F&Ws say this .....this is another example of how you change things to suit what YOU believe not what 2x2s believe !! Of course there maybe Workers who believe in the Trinity....but they sure will not be preaching it !! I believe more and more workers will preach the TRINITY once they realized they overseers in 1960-2019 have lead them off the tracks on this subject for years! and many denominations have branded them ANTI-Trinity Cultist group. ONCE the current 2x2 workers and friends realized when they come to the Sunday morning meetings they are WORSHIPING the TRINITY for over 100 years and hardly anyone explains this to them! The overseers, senior workers in 1970s to now have deceived them for teaching the Trinity is heresy or the pagans doctrine because they don't know or understand it themselves. The current workers just believe their older companions had taught them without question.
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Post by chuck on Dec 1, 2019 5:23:41 GMT -5
Who has ever heard the Sunday fellowship meeting ever referred to as "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" ? Just to clarify, this is what nathan has called the Sunday meeting on another thread and seems to think that is what they should be called now !!! Never and the trinity is openly denied. And the workers reinforced this openly at our last convention by saying " we dont believe this do we".
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Post by nathan on Dec 1, 2019 9:21:17 GMT -5
Who has ever heard the Sunday fellowship meeting ever referred to as "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" ? Just to clarify, this is what nathan has called the Sunday meeting on another thread and seems to think that is what they should be called now !!! Never and the trinity is openly denied. And the workers reinforced this openly at our last convention by saying " we dont believe this do we". It is incorrect to say all the workers NEVER believe the TRINITY and denied it. Many of the early 2x2 workers belief and teaching say the opposite to the current workers and friends. Most of The current workers and the friends have strayed from the teachings of Christ, the apostles and the early 2x2 workers.
If the current workers and the friends denied the TRINITY these days, THEN WHY, are the current workers and friends STILL having Sunday morning meeting every Sunday around the world for 120 yrs? Who do they WORSHIP? when they sing hymns, pray, and give thanks to in their Sunday morning meeting?
RossB wrote: Nate - if the first workers didn't believe in the Trinity there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY they would have included the last verse of "Our blest Redeemer" in the first Go-Preachers hymn book of 1909.
First and last verses of the hymn: 1 Our blest Redeemer, ere He breathed His tender, last farewell, A Guide, a Comforter bequeathed With us to dwell. 6 O praise the Father; praise the Son: Blest Spirit, praise to Thee: All praise to God, the three in One, The One in Thee.If most of them didn't believe in the Trinity in 1951 the "Cease not to praise God would not have been included". But between 1951 belief in God as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit diminished as the early workers died out and by 1987 the vast, vast majority had elevated Jesus' humanity at the expense of His divinity."Cease not to praise God" was dumped and "Christ, my God" was changed to "Christ, my Lord" in the hymn we know well. And not surprisingly from the mid 1980's the group has been in serious decline - people are not only leaving because of major deceitfulness over the history of the group but because of poor doctrine. While the early workers differentiated themselves from established churches and ministers on Matt 10, the claim to apostleship, baptism, "Jesus was a common man" they accepted core Christian doctrine including the Trinity. There was absolutely no issue with it. When these early days workers leaders died out and were replaced by others, belief in the one God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit was gradually abandoned, as evidenced by the change in hymns between the 1951 and 1987 books. Barry Barkley the overseer back east coast is clearly trying to address this issue in 2015. If the 2x2 church can't get basic doctrine right on who Jesus is, there is not much hope for it in my opinion. Elizabethcoleman said: 9/1/2015 This might do a few heads in: I have this from a recent convention attendee...
"Barry Barkley (Overseer of overseers in the east coast of USA) emphasized that Jesus was fully God but came to earth to become human to enable the lowly sinners such as ourselves to be justified through Him and be with Him in heaven. Barry spoke of the relationship between "God the Father and God the Son." He tied Psalm 22 -- the prophesied words and experience of Jesus -- with passages in the New Testament. These thoughts, perhaps, are nothing "new" to the Bible-believing Christian, but I appreciated the spirit and illumination with which Barry presented elements of our hope in the gospel -- and our need and joyous privilege to make Christ the focal point of all our living." Elizabeth wrote: If you now have workers talking this way about God the Son, and Jesus being fully God, where does that leave F&W who strenuously oppose these "doctrines"?
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 1, 2019 10:27:23 GMT -5
Who has ever heard the Sunday fellowship meeting ever referred to as "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" ? Just to clarify, this is what nathan has called the Sunday meeting on another thread and seems to think that is what they should be called now !!! Never ever heard it referred to as that . Never ever. Would sound blasphemous in the group , IMO You would not be accepted , and risk excommunication, unless things have changed dramatically , unawares . Alvin
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Post by nathan on Dec 1, 2019 10:34:08 GMT -5
Who has ever heard the Sunday fellowship meeting ever referred to as "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" ? Just to clarify, this is what nathan has called the Sunday meeting on another thread and seems to think that is what they should be called now !!! Never ever heard it referred to as that . Never ever. Would sound blasphemous in the group , IMO You would not be accepted , and risk excommunication, unless things have changed dramatically, unawares . Alvin The current workers and friends NEVER heard it referred to as the Sunday morning TRINITY worship, BUT if it walks and quacks like a DUCK, it's a DUCK! it doesn't matter whether you or any 2x2 believes it or NOT... It's still a DUCK!
Things are changing just like with CSA, no tolerance! no more sweeping under the carpet. Once they study the past early days workers belief and teachings on the Trinity, Jesus is God.... Which workers and when did they become anti-trinity believers and WHY? Did they do on purpose or because their ignorance and lack in understanding of the true TRINITY doctrine.
The Sunday morning that the early days workers set up in 1902 was the TRINITY- God the Father, Christ/God (emblems) and Holy Spirit foundation! of worship, the current workers and the friends became anti-Trinity back in 1950 and most of them today, don't even know or understand that.
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 1, 2019 10:38:41 GMT -5
Never ever heard it referred to as that . Never ever. Would sound blasphemous in the group , IMO You would not be accepted , and risk excommunication, unless things have changed dramatically , unawares . Alvin The current workers and friends NEVER heard it referred to as the Sunday morning TRINITY worship, BUT if it walks and quacks like a DUCK it's a DUCK! To clarify then , nobody has EVER heard of meetings being referred to as such either . Thankyou and that answers the question. Alvin
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Post by mountain on Dec 1, 2019 11:07:13 GMT -5
Sunday Trinity Worship Meetings? Don't you recollect being told 'we take no name,' but if someone pressed us we were to simply say 'we are Sunday Trinity Worship Meetings?'
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Post by reborn on Dec 1, 2019 11:53:13 GMT -5
It is very important to understand that we are to Glorify/ Worship the God of heaven. We need to have a revelation from God on this or we perhaps may be void of understanding.
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Post by reborn on Dec 1, 2019 11:58:13 GMT -5
Who has ever heard the Sunday fellowship meeting ever referred to as "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" ? Just to clarify, this is what nathan has called the Sunday meeting on another thread and seems to think that is what they should be called now !!! Never and the trinity is openly denied. And the workers reinforced this openly at our last convention by saying " we dont believe this do we".
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Post by reborn on Dec 1, 2019 11:59:18 GMT -5
We don’t believe this do we? Since it was asked in the form of a question- the answer would have been yes I do in many a heart.
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Post by reborn on Dec 1, 2019 12:56:03 GMT -5
Who has ever heard the Sunday fellowship meeting ever referred to as "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" ? Just to clarify, this is what nathan has called the Sunday meeting on another thread and seems to think that is what they should be called now !!! Never ever heard it referred to as that . Never ever. Would sound blasphemous in the group , IMO You would not be accepted , and risk excommunication, unless things have changed dramatically , unawares . Alvin
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Post by reborn on Dec 1, 2019 12:57:21 GMT -5
Yikes- be careful how you use that B word there- And it actually is preached and received openly by those who have revelation.
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Post by snow on Dec 1, 2019 14:40:30 GMT -5
Never ever heard it referred to as that . Never ever. Would sound blasphemous in the group , IMO You would not be accepted , and risk excommunication, unless things have changed dramatically, unawares . Alvin The current workers and friends NEVER heard it referred to as the Sunday morning TRINITY worship, BUT if it walks and quacks like a DUCK, it's a DUCK! it doesn't matter whether you or any 2x2 believes it or NOT... It's still a DUCK!
Things are changing just like with CSA, no tolerance! no more sweeping under the carpet. Once they study the past early days workers belief and teachings on the Trinity, Jesus is God.... Which workers and when did they become anti-trinity believers and WHY? Did they do on purpose or because their ignorance and lack in understanding of the true TRINITY doctrine.
The Sunday morning that the early days workers set up in 1902 was the TRINITY- God the Father, Christ/God (emblems) and Holy Spirit foundation! of worship, the current workers and the friends became anti-Trinity back in 1950 and most of them today, don't even know or understand that.
Nathan, I think part of your problem is that you don't seem to understand the difference about what you think it should be called and what people actually call it. That's all the question was asking. Have you ever heard the Sunday Morning meeting referred to as the Sunday Trinity meeting? Answer that question only and then you will have answered it and not included a whole bunch of what you think it should be instead of what actually is what happens. I have never heard the meeting referred to as the Sunday Trinity Meeting and my parents had that meeting in their home.
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Post by snow on Dec 1, 2019 14:42:45 GMT -5
Yikes- be careful how you use that B word there- And it actually is preached and received openly by those who have revelation. So let's be clear here. When you talk to people about Sunday meetings you actually say that you are going to a Sunday Trinity Meeting? That's the question after all.
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Post by reborn on Dec 1, 2019 14:47:48 GMT -5
No one has stated that a Sunday Morning Meeting is called a Trinity Meeting, nor has anyone suggested that it be changed to that name. The worship of God must be the central focus of a Sunday Morning Meeting, and we must receive a true revelation from God to be doing just that.
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Post by speak on Dec 1, 2019 16:38:29 GMT -5
Sunday Trinity Worship Meetings? Don't you recollect being told 'we take no name,' but if someone pressed us we were to simply say 'we are Sunday Trinity Worship Meetings?' No no no nono .
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 1, 2019 16:43:55 GMT -5
The current workers and friends NEVER heard it referred to as the Sunday morning TRINITY worship, BUT if it walks and quacks like a DUCK it's a DUCK! To clarify then , nobody has EVER heard of meetings being referred to as such either . Thankyou and that answers the question. Alvin I'm beginning to think Nathan was one of the workers who were booted out of the work about the time all the other workers were kicked out of the work for talking about the Trinity.
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Post by nathan on Dec 1, 2019 16:46:19 GMT -5
The current workers and friends NEVER heard it referred to as the Sunday morning TRINITY worship, BUT if it walks and quacks like a DUCK, it's a DUCK! it doesn't matter whether you or any 2x2 believes it or NOT... It's still a DUCK!
Things are changing just like with CSA, no tolerance! no more sweeping under the carpet. Once they study the past early days workers belief and teachings on the Trinity, Jesus is God.... Which workers and when did they become anti-trinity believers and WHY? Did they do on purpose or because their ignorance and lack in understanding of the true TRINITY doctrine.
The Sunday morning that the early days workers set up in 1902 was the TRINITY- God the Father, Christ/God (emblems) and Holy Spirit foundation! of worship, the current workers and the friends became anti-Trinity back in 1950 and most of them today, don't even know or understand that.
Nathan, I think part of your problem is that you don't seem to understand the difference about what you think it should be called and what people actually call it. That's all the question was asking. Have you ever heard the Sunday Morning meeting referred to as the Sunday Trinity meeting? Answer that question only and then you will have answered it and not included a whole bunch of what you think it should be instead of what actually is what happens. I have never heard the meeting referred to as the Sunday Trinity Meeting and my parents had that meeting in their home. ** If you THINK! about it will sink in... It doesn't matter what kind of name you have, the 2x2s come to worship God the Father, Christ/God Jesus (the emblems), and the Holy Spirit that is called the Trinity/Tiune God. That was why the early 2x2 workers believed and taught the Trinity; Jesus if God the Son and NOT God/the Father. The workers want people God the Father and God the Son Christ are TWO different beings and NOT as ONE person. God the Father is NOT the Son/Christ and the Son is NOT the Holy Spirit either. They are ONE Godhead consists 3 Supreme beings/Persons, their own individuality and characters! They have Minds of their own.
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Post by nathan on Dec 1, 2019 16:52:58 GMT -5
To clarify then , nobody has EVER heard of meetings being referred to as such either . Thankyou and that answers the question. Alvin I'm beginning to think Nathan was one of the workers who were booted out of the work about the time all the other workers were kicked out of the work for talking about the Trinity. ** Haha.. I didn't KNOW or understand the Doctine and history of the Trinity when I was in the work from 1986-93. I began studying the Trinity doctrine and history in great depth about 15 yrs ago. I studied why, when the 2x2 workers became anti-Trinity. I didnt get kicked out of the work but I left it on my own free will to become the internet worker on TMB.
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Post by chuck on Dec 1, 2019 17:00:51 GMT -5
Never and the trinity is openly denied. And the workers reinforced this openly at our last convention by saying " we dont believe this do we". It is incorrect to say all the workers NEVER believe the TRINITY and denied it. Many of the early 2x2 workers belief and teaching say the opposite to the current workers and friends. Most of The current workers and the friends have strayed from the teachings of Christ, the apostles and the early 2x2 workers.
If the current workers and the friends denied the TRINITY these days, THEN WHY, are the current workers and friends STILL having Sunday morning meeting every Sunday around the world for 120 yrs? Who do they WORSHIP? when they sing hymns, pray, and give thanks to in their Sunday morning meeting?
RossB wrote: Nate - if the first workers didn't believe in the Trinity there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY they would have included the last verse of "Our blest Redeemer" in the first Go-Preachers hymn book of 1909.
First and last verses of the hymn: 1 Our blest Redeemer, ere He breathed His tender, last farewell, A Guide, a Comforter bequeathed With us to dwell. 6 O praise the Father; praise the Son: Blest Spirit, praise to Thee: All praise to God, the three in One, The One in Thee.If most of them didn't believe in the Trinity in 1951 the "Cease not to praise God would not have been included". But between 1951 belief in God as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit diminished as the early workers died out and by 1987 the vast, vast majority had elevated Jesus' humanity at the expense of His divinity."Cease not to praise God" was dumped and "Christ, my God" was changed to "Christ, my Lord" in the hymn we know well. And not surprisingly from the mid 1980's the group has been in serious decline - people are not only leaving because of major deceitfulness over the history of the group but because of poor doctrine. While the early workers differentiated themselves from established churches and ministers on Matt 10, the claim to apostleship, baptism, "Jesus was a common man" they accepted core Christian doctrine including the Trinity. There was absolutely no issue with it. When these early days workers leaders died out and were replaced by others, belief in the one God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit was gradually abandoned, as evidenced by the change in hymns between the 1951 and 1987 books. Barry Barkley the overseer back east coast is clearly trying to address this issue in 2015. If the 2x2 church can't get basic doctrine right on who Jesus is, there is not much hope for it in my opinion. Elizabethcoleman said: 9/1/2015 This might do a few heads in: I have this from a recent convention attendee...
"Barry Barkley (Overseer of overseers in the east coast of USA) emphasized that Jesus was fully God but came to earth to become human to enable the lowly sinners such as ourselves to be justified through Him and be with Him in heaven. Barry spoke of the relationship between "God the Father and God the Son." He tied Psalm 22 -- the prophesied words and experience of Jesus -- with passages in the New Testament. These thoughts, perhaps, are nothing "new" to the Bible-believing Christian, but I appreciated the spirit and illumination with which Barry presented elements of our hope in the gospel -- and our need and joyous privilege to make Christ the focal point of all our living." Elizabeth wrote: If you now have workers talking this way about God the Son, and Jesus being fully God, where does that leave F&W who strenuously oppose these "doctrines"? Nathan your Zeal is clouding your mind. Re read the question. Roslyn: "Who has heard?" Me: "Never" I have never hear this and I have always! heard it denied by workers and deeply rooted friends. It is what the 2x2 beleive/denied as long as I have been able to remembered. I did not say the early workers never said this!.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 1, 2019 17:20:15 GMT -5
Actually, -in all the years that I was professing, I never even heard the word "trinity."
When I hear it now, -it just seems to me that all the hullabaloo for & against the idea is like trying to make a hurricane out of 'poot in the wind'!
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Post by mountain on Dec 1, 2019 17:40:57 GMT -5
Actually, -in all the years that I was professing, I never even heard the word "trinity."
When I hear it now, -it just seems to me that all the hullabaloo for & against the idea is like trying to make a hurricane out of 'poot in the wind'! However, you still believed in the trinity and worshipped it, even though you didn't know it at the time!
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Post by reborn on Dec 1, 2019 17:43:20 GMT -5
It is very, very important that we know God if we are seeking to worship him.
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