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Post by nathan on Oct 3, 2019 11:57:33 GMT -5
Who is the 'Someone' as in 'Someone Wrote', Nathan? Where do we see 'God the Son' term in the Bible? How many times? Are we exhorted to believe in the Son of God (a human term), or God the Son, as part of our Salvation? ** I didn't write the artical but some unnkown Christians wrote it. I believe they are correct because that is how the early days workers believed and taught and I agree with their understanding. I believe Jesus is BOTH God/the Son who came down from heaven to be live in the Person jesus, who is the Son of God. Christ is BOTH God and Man/Jesus in ONE body.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 3, 2019 12:14:07 GMT -5
It's Hebrews 10:26 that talks about no more sacrifice. And it says that if we sin wilfully after we have received knowledge of the truth, then there is no more sacrifice for sin. And sinning wilfully is living by the lusts of the flesh and putting this world before God when we know it is wrong to do so before God. Not having a disbelief in the trinity. Nowhere in the Bible does it tell us that we must believe that Jesus is God to be saved, but rather that we are to believe that Jesus is the son of God. So if that's what it says that we are to believe in, in the Bible, then that's what we are to believe and judgement should be left to God. Hebrews 1:8 and Psalms “BUT UNTO THE SON he saith, THY throne, OGOD, is for ever and ever : a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. Next verse again calls the Son “GOD”. “Thou hast lived righteousness and hated iniquity; therefore GOD(SON), thy GOD( Father), hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness ABOVE thy Fellows. For me to purposefully say those verses do not say the Father is calling his Son “GOD” is me making the Father a liar and the Bible is clear that is a grave sin and is blasphemy against the Father! There are other sins besides that of lusts. I’ve explained to you that I John 5:10 plainly says that if we don’t believe what God has left on record about his Son we are making God a liar. That IS A SIN FAR WORSE then sins of the flesh. IT IS BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD! And when we are told about those records God has left and we purposefully disregard them and continue to deny what the Father has said about his Son, then we are committing blasphemy against the Father. There are NO IFS or BUTS about it. And since you have no knowledge of what my relative has been informed of you have inserted your inadequate beliefs into the equation. I know what the Bible says and I know the situation. The thing is, we are not told to believe that Jesus is God in the Bible, but believe that Jesus is the son of God. And according to the Bible, that's enough to be saved!
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Post by maryhig on Oct 3, 2019 12:18:08 GMT -5
Keep wriggling Shaz. There are many Lords. We have a whole upper Parliament full of them in the UK. Do you want some? We're trying to get rid of them. Lord Jesus Christ and Lord God Almighty are two different persons. Context MUST always be observed. Yes, and the following verses show us this. They show us that God exalted Jesus, and made him both Lord and Christ. Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
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Post by mountain on Oct 3, 2019 12:22:27 GMT -5
Who is the 'Someone' as in 'Someone Wrote', Nathan? Where do we see 'God the Son' term in the Bible? How many times? Are we exhorted to believe in the Son of God (a human term), or God the Son, as part of our Salvation? ** I didn't write it butsome unnkown Christians who wrote it. I believe Jesus is BOTH God/the Son who came down from heaven to be live in the Person jesus, who is the Son of God. Christ is BOTH God and Man/Jesus in ONE body. Once more Nathan. Where does the term God the Son appear in the Bible. I am not interested in any beliefs other than what the Bible clearly states. We are told to believe in Jesus the (human being) son of God, which is a necessary part of salvation. That is abundantly clear. We are not told to believe in God the Son or that Jesus is God. These are additions to, or distractions from the Truth! No one, never mind a trinitarian believer, can honestly dispute that.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 3, 2019 13:52:20 GMT -5
Hebrews 1:8 and Psalms “BUT UNTO THE SON he saith, THY throne, OGOD, is for ever and ever : a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. Next verse again calls the Son “GOD”. “Thou hast lived righteousness and hated iniquity; therefore GOD(SON), thy GOD( Father), hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness ABOVE thy Fellows. For me to purposefully say those verses do not say the Father is calling his Son “GOD” is me making the Father a liar and the Bible is clear that is a grave sin and is blasphemy against the Father! There are other sins besides that of lusts. I’ve explained to you that I John 5:10 plainly says that if we don’t believe what God has left on record about his Son we are making God a liar. That IS A SIN FAR WORSE then sins of the flesh. IT IS BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD! And when we are told about those records God has left and we purposefully disregard them and continue to deny what the Father has said about his Son, then we are committing blasphemy against the Father. There are NO IFS or BUTS about it. And since you have no knowledge of what my relative has been informed of you have inserted your inadequate beliefs into the equation. I know what the Bible says and I know the situation. The thing is, we are not told to believe that Jesus is God in the Bible, but believe that Jesus is the son of God. And according to the Bible, that's enough to be saved! Mary, you and many others do not understand what the phrase “Son of God” entails. And as I John 5:10 says if you don’t believe what the Father has left on record you are not a believer. We ARE told to believe Jesus is God! I’ve given that verse in I John many times now but for some dead reason some are not getting the importance of what the Apostle John said. He said “he that believeth NOT God hath made him a liar; because HE BELIEVETH NOT THE RECORD THAT GOD GAVE OF HIS SON.” In Hebrews 1:8 and Psalm 45 it is recorded that the FATHER SAITH to HIS SON, “Thy throne, ‘O GOD’, is for ever and ever...”. This is the record the Father has given about his Son! We must believe it simply because the Father said it! Not to believe it is MAKING the FATHER a LIAR! And is evidence we are NOR believing on the “Son of God”. If anybody should know who Jesus is, it should by all rights be his Father. To say Jesus is the “Son of God” is meaning he is as the Father has left record of him. To say Jesus Christ is to say he is Divine, Deity, possesses the Godhead bodily, is the express image of the Father, he is God. It’s very apparent people can use these phrases and have NO idea what they’re talking about.
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Post by nathan on Oct 3, 2019 17:02:26 GMT -5
** I didn't write it butsome unnkown Christians who wrote it. I believe Jesus is BOTH God/the Son who came down from heaven to be live in the Person jesus, who is the Son of God. Christ is BOTH God and Man/Jesus in ONE body. Once more Nathan. Where does the term God the Son appear in the Bible. I am not interested in any beliefs other than what the Bible clearly states. We are told to believe in Jesus the (human being) son of God, which is a necessary part of salvation. That is abundantly clear. We are not told to believe in God the Son or that Jesus is God. These are additions to, or distractions from the Truth! No one, never mind a trinitarian believer, can honestly dispute that. ** Yes, I agree with you that Jesus is the Son of God = God's Son or God the Son. in the book of HEB 1:8-12 God/the Father called His Son "God and LORD/Yahweh." In Rev. 1:8; Rev. 21:5-8 Jesus said he is Almighty and God. According to these verses Jesus is God and he is the Son of God. Therefore, Jesus is God and he is also God's Son.
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Post by nathan on Oct 3, 2019 17:10:29 GMT -5
The thing is, we are not told to believe that Jesus is God in the Bible, but believe that Jesus is the son of God. And according to the Bible, that's enough to be saved! Mary, you and many others do not understand what the phrase “Son of God” entails. And as I John 5:10 says if you don’t believe what the Father has left on record you are not a believer. We ARE told to believe Jesus is God! I’ve given that verse in I John many times now but for some dead reason some are not getting the importance of what the Apostle John said. He said “he that believeth NOT God hath made him a liar; because HE BELIEVETH NOT THE RECORD THAT GOD GAVE OF HIS SON.” In Hebrews 1:8 and Psalm 45 it is recorded that the FATHER SAITH to HIS SON, “Thy throne, ‘O GOD’, is for ever and ever...”. This is the record the Father has given about his Son! We must believe it simply because the Father said it! Not to believe it is MAKING the FATHER a LIAR! And is evidence we are NOR believing on the “Son of God”. If anybody should know who Jesus is, it should by all rights be his Father. To say Jesus is the “Son of God” is meaning he is as the Father has left record of him. To say Jesus Christ is to say he is Divine, Deity, possesses the Godhead bodily, is the express image of the Father, he is God. It’s very apparent people can use these phrases and have NO idea what they’re talking about. *** STR, You were on Ram and MaryH and the 2x2s side and how some of us/Trinity tried to help you to see the light and you fought with all your strength! Hehe.... So, you know how they think... Hopefully, God and you can help them to see the light like you did from your own personal experience.
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Post by mountain on Oct 3, 2019 17:16:05 GMT -5
Nathan, I will apply your logic. Admittedly you were correct about the Germans being called Germans during the Second World War, but they were called other things as well.
How you can suggest that a belt buckle is actually God, is another matter. The mind boggles?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 3, 2019 17:42:58 GMT -5
Once more Nathan. Where does the term God the Son appear in the Bible. I am not interested in any beliefs other than what the Bible clearly states. We are told to believe in Jesus the (human being) son of God, which is a necessary part of salvation. That is abundantly clear. We are not told to believe in God the Son or that Jesus is God. These are additions to, or distractions from the Truth! No one, never mind a trinitarian believer, can honestly dispute that. ** Yes, I agree with you that Jesus is the Son of God = God's Son or God the Son. in the book of HEB 1:8-12 God/the Father called His Son "God and LORD/Yahweh." In Rev. 1:8; Rev. 21:5-8 Jesus said he is Almighty and God. According to these verses Jesus is God and he is the Son of God. Therefore, Jesus is God and he is also God's Son. The problem is that some don’t understand/ believe that the Father begat his Son before the world ever became. Thus they cannot begin to do reasonable thinking to know that the Father begat His Son entirely alone, thus the Father being a spirit, his Son is going to be a spirit. The Father begetting his Son alone has to be known that Son is going to be exactly the same as the Father, because there were no other persons involved in the begetting if the Father’s Son. Thus the Bible says the Son(Jesus) is the “express image” of the Father. Or perhaps interpret that to be an exact replica. So thus if the Father is God so would the EXPRESS IMAGE Son be God! Seems some figure that the Father had sex with Mary and this is when his Son was begotten. Again not understanding the term “incarnation” or embodiment of a deity in a human body.” As to yes, I was just as blind and misled as the best of them and I’m so thankful that I was given the privilege to know the difference before it was to late and find myself outside the body of Christ! I also did not know until very recently that I was making the Father a liar and essentially not a “believer” because I did not heed the record the Father gave record of his Son. The verses in Hebrews 1:8 and Psalms 45 clearly states the Father called his Son “God”. And I should have caught that even before the Trinity was introduced to me and simply believed what the Father said about his Son. I didn’t have to know or believe the Trinity to believe Jesus is God; the bible’s Record of the Father calling his Son “God” was to have been more then enough. According to I John 5:10, I wasn’t even a real believer due to not believing what the Father gave record of his Son; thus I wasn’t even saved.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 3, 2019 17:43:56 GMT -5
Nathan, I will apply your logic. Admittedly you were correct about the Germans being called Germans during the Second World War, but they were called other things as well. How you can suggest that a belt buckle is actually God, is another matter. The mind boggles? Please read my post to Nathan just below yours.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 3, 2019 18:31:08 GMT -5
Keep wriggling Shaz. There are many Lords. We have a whole upper Parliament full of them in the UK. Do you want some? We're trying to get rid of them. Lord Jesus Christ and Lord God Almighty are two different persons. Context MUST always be observed. Yes, and the following verses show us this. They show us that God exalted Jesus, and made him both Lord and Christ. Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. He didn’t exactly “exalt him”, he anointed him above his fellows.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 3, 2019 18:39:33 GMT -5
Keep wriggling Shaz. There are many Lords. We have a whole upper Parliament full of them in the UK. Do you want some? We're trying to get rid of them. Lord Jesus Christ and Lord God Almighty are two different persons. Context MUST always be observed. That is not wiggling, Mountain. That is biblical. Jesus said he was “the Almighty “ in Revelations 1:8. “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord(Kupioc), which is, and which was, and which is to come, “THE ALMIGHTY.” Prophecy about Jesus by Isaiah “For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given(he was already begot): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be CALLED Wonderful, Counselor, THE MIGHTY GOD, the everlasting FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
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Post by nathan on Oct 3, 2019 18:39:34 GMT -5
** Yes, I agree with you that Jesus is the Son of God = God's Son or God the Son. in the book of HEB 1:8-12 God/the Father called His Son "God and LORD/Yahweh." In Rev. 1:8; Rev. 21:5-8 Jesus said he is Almighty and God. According to these verses Jesus is God and he is the Son of God. Therefore, Jesus is God and he is also God's Son. The problem is that some don’t understand/ believe that the Father begat his Son before the world ever became. Thus they cannot begin to do reasonable thinking to know that the Father begat His Son entirely alone, thus the Father being a spirit, his Son is going to be a spirit. The Father begetting his Son alone has to be known that Son is going to be exactly the same as the Father, because there were no other persons involved in the begetting if the Father’s Son. Thus the Bible says the Son(Jesus) is the “express image” of the Father. Or perhaps interpret that to be an exact replica. So thus if the Father is God so would the EXPRESS IMAGE Son be God! Seems some figure that the Father had sex with Mary and this is when his Son was begotten. Again not understanding the term “incarnation” or embodiment of a deity in a human body.” As to yes, I was just as blind and misled as the best of them and I’m so thankful that I was given the privilege to know the difference before it was to late and find myself outside the body of Christ! I also did not know until very recently that I was making the Father a liar and essentially not a “believer” because I did not heed the record the Father gave record of his Son. The verses in Hebrews 1:8 and Psalms 45 clearly states the Father called his Son “God”. And I should have caught that even before the Trinity was introduced to me and simply believed what the Father said about his Son. I didn’t have to know or believe the Trinity to believe Jesus is God; the bible’s Record of the Father calling his Son “God” was to have been more then enough. According to I John 5:10, I wasn’t even a real believer due to not believing what the Father gave record of his Son; thus I wasn’t even saved. Many can't understand Jesus beyond the Son of God that He was God like unto the Father before the world was created, STR. All they can it that Jesus begotten by the Father 2000 yrs ago as the Son of God and they are happy with that and making fun of those who understand Him as God just like unto the Father prior to his earthly birth. They don't know much prior of His existence through the Old Testament as the Second Person of the Godhead with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
It seems the veils covered their faces and they can't see or understand that Christ is the everlasting God/FIRST & BEFORE the time he begotten as the Son of God and man/Jesus to die for our sins 2000 yrs ago.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 3, 2019 18:55:55 GMT -5
The problem is that some don’t understand/ believe that the Father begat his Son before the world ever became. Thus they cannot begin to do reasonable thinking to know that the Father begat His Son entirely alone, thus the Father being a spirit, his Son is going to be a spirit. The Father begetting his Son alone has to be known that Son is going to be exactly the same as the Father, because there were no other persons involved in the begetting if the Father’s Son. Thus the Bible says the Son(Jesus) is the “express image” of the Father. Or perhaps interpret that to be an exact replica. So thus if the Father is God so would the EXPRESS IMAGE Son be God! Seems some figure that the Father had sex with Mary and this is when his Son was begotten. Again not understanding the term “incarnation” or embodiment of a deity in a human body.” As to yes, I was just as blind and misled as the best of them and I’m so thankful that I was given the privilege to know the difference before it was to late and find myself outside the body of Christ! I also did not know until very recently that I was making the Father a liar and essentially not a “believer” because I did not heed the record the Father gave record of his Son. The verses in Hebrews 1:8 and Psalms 45 clearly states the Father called his Son “God”. And I should have caught that even before the Trinity was introduced to me and simply believed what the Father said about his Son. I didn’t have to know or believe the Trinity to believe Jesus is God; the bible’s Record of the Father calling his Son “God” was to have been more then enough. According to I John 5:10, I wasn’t even a real believer due to not believing what the Father gave record of his Son; thus I wasn’t even saved. Many can't understand Jesus beyond the Son of God that He was God like unto the Father before the world was created, STR. All they can it that Jesus begotten by the Father 2000 yrs ago as the Son of God and they are happy with that and making fun of those who understand Him as God just like unto the Father prior to his earthly birth. They don't know much prior of His existence through the Old Testament as the Second Person of the Godhead with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
It seems the veils covered their faces and they can't see or understand that Christ is the everlasting God/FIRST & BEFORE the time he begotten as the Son of God and man/Jesus to die for our sins 2000 yrs ago.
It seems sacrilegious to me to think or say that the Father “begot” his Son with Mary! That here the Father is doing the same thing as some of the angels did back in Genesis in mating with the daughters of man! They think of God in the human image and why they’d worship a God in the human image is even beyond what I would have thought before I learned of the Trinity. The advent of Jesus being the Son of God was prophesied in Isaiah where Isaiah said “unto us a Son is given”! Meaning that the Son already existed. John 3:16 backs that up in saying “God so loved the world that he GAVE his only begotten Son,...”. Does this lack not find its roots in the failures of pastors/ ministers in not teaching the everlasting God?
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Post by nathan on Oct 3, 2019 19:01:27 GMT -5
Many can't understand Jesus beyond the Son of God that He was God like unto the Father before the world was created, STR. All they can it that Jesus begotten by the Father 2000 yrs ago as the Son of God and they are happy with that and making fun of those who understand Him as God just like unto the Father prior to his earthly birth. They don't know much prior of His existence through the Old Testament as the Second Person of the Godhead with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
It seems the veils covered their faces and they can't see or understand that Christ is the everlasting God/FIRST & BEFORE the time he begotten as the Son of God and man/Jesus to die for our sins 2000 yrs ago.
Does this lack not find its roots in the failures of pastors/ ministers in not teaching the everlasting God? Yes, the ministers/pastors/workers have a very important role in teaching people the correct doctrine of Christ, the Father and Holy Spirit the Everlasting Godhead.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 3, 2019 19:02:54 GMT -5
Does this lack not find its roots in the failures of pastors/ ministers in not teaching the everlasting God? Yes, the ministers/pastors/workers have a very important role in teaching people the correct doctrine of Christ, the Father and Holy Spirit the Everlasting Godhead.
I’m sorry, I added more to the post! 😋
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Post by openingact34 on Oct 3, 2019 23:08:54 GMT -5
Who is the 'Someone' as in 'Someone Wrote', Nathan? Where do we see 'God the Son' term in the Bible? How many times? Are we exhorted to believe in the Son of God (a human term), or God the Son, as part of our Salvation? "For all the gods of the people are idols: but the Lord made the heavens." - 1 Chronicles 16:26. "God the Son" is a man-made idol which is never found in the Bible. All Trinitarians are IDOLATORS for worshiping this invention. Of course the idolatry has a tendency to spread even further in these churches. The next thing you know, you have a leader sitting on a golden throne, clutching a crucifix, and wearing a more elaborate gown than Miss America.
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Post by Dennis J on Oct 4, 2019 0:13:58 GMT -5
“It” is not an idol to me. HE is a complete manifestation of the Father and Holy Spirit in humanity. Having seen the account of the Lord’s words regarding seeing Him and thus seeing the Father, is sufficient for me,
Yes, there is lots more that can be expressed. Having tried that in this forum, I know it will not suffice. So... not going to complete a repeat performance. To claim now He is an idol stands alone in my reasoning.
Dennis
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Post by nathan on Oct 4, 2019 0:17:16 GMT -5
Who is the 'Someone' as in 'Someone Wrote', Nathan? Where do we see 'God the Son' term in the Bible? How many times? Are we exhorted to believe in the Son of God (a human term), or God the Son, as part of our Salvation? "For all the gods of the people are idols: but the Lord made the heavens." - 1 Chronicles 16:26. "God the Son" is a man-made idol which is never found in the Bible. All Trinitarians are IDOLATORS for worshiping this invention. Of course the idolatry has a tendency to spread even further in these churches. The next thing you know, you have a leader sitting on a golden throne, clutching a crucifix, and wearing a more elaborate gown than Miss America. openingact34, God the Father said the Son/Jesus created the heavens in Hebrews 1:8-12... How can Jesus created the heavens, when he was born 2000 yrs ago, the heavens created billions of years ago or longer. Can you explain that if Jesus was NOT God.
Do you think God the Father was a LIAR when he said the Son Created the heavens and all things, the angels and humans in the Universe?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 4, 2019 0:22:45 GMT -5
Who is the 'Someone' as in 'Someone Wrote', Nathan? Where do we see 'God the Son' term in the Bible? How many times? Are we exhorted to believe in the Son of God (a human term), or God the Son, as part of our Salvation? "For all the gods of the people are idols: but the Lord made the heavens." - 1 Chronicles 16:26. "God the Son" is a man-made idol which is never found in the Bible. All Trinitarians are IDOLATORS for worshiping this invention. Of course the idolatry has a tendency to spread even further in these churches. The next thing you know, you have a leader sitting on a golden throne, clutching a crucifix, and wearing a more elaborate gown than Miss America. This is not Trinity this is the Father’s own words. Hebrews 1:8. “But unto the Son the Father saith, ‘THY THRONE, O GOD,’ is for ever and ever...”
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Post by mountain on Oct 4, 2019 2:58:02 GMT -5
Who is the 'Someone' as in 'Someone Wrote', Nathan? Where do we see 'God the Son' term in the Bible? How many times? Are we exhorted to believe in the Son of God (a human term), or God the Son, as part of our Salvation? "For all the gods of the people are idols: but the Lord made the heavens." - 1 Chronicles 16:26. "God the Son" is a man-made idol which is never found in the Bible. All Trinitarians are IDOLATORS for worshiping this invention. Of course the idolatry has a tendency to spread even further in these churches. The next thing you know, you have a leader sitting on a golden throne, clutching a crucifix, and wearing a more elaborate gown than Miss America. The simplicity of the Gospel defies many. (Virgs)
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Post by mountain on Oct 4, 2019 3:05:19 GMT -5
"For all the gods of the people are idols: but the Lord made the heavens." - 1 Chronicles 16:26. "God the Son" is a man-made idol which is never found in the Bible. All Trinitarians are IDOLATORS for worshiping this invention. Of course the idolatry has a tendency to spread even further in these churches. The next thing you know, you have a leader sitting on a golden throne, clutching a crucifix, and wearing a more elaborate gown than Miss America. This is not Trinity this is the Father’s own words. Hebrews 1:8. “But unto the Son the Father saith, ‘THY THRONE, O GOD,’ is for ever and ever...” Shaz , you keep taking this passage out of context time and time again. You are quite simply not seeing the woods for the trees. I have explained this several times in recent posts but you choose to ignore it. Sit back and study the chapter and try, just try, and see what is going on there. Quite simply, the Almighty God is crowning the human being Jesus, giving him all authority to reign on behalf of God as his inheritance. Jesus is a God today, not because he is the Almighty God, but simply because of his authority and position. One day he will return that authority to his heavenly Father. As things stand, God is still controlling the human being Jesus. In scriptures, those human beings to whom God gave authority to speak on his behalf, were in fact Gods, because they were representing the one true God and speaking his words. The trin has a lot to answer for. As Virgs says...'Bin the Trin!' Then start learning the truth! (Virgs)
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Post by mountain on Oct 4, 2019 3:10:37 GMT -5
Yes, and the following verses show us this. They show us that God exalted Jesus, and made him both Lord and Christ. Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. He didn’t exactly “exalt him”, he anointed him above his fellows. Are we going to debate the pedantic differences between exalt and anoint? The woman anointed Jesus with the alabaster box. Did this make Jesus God?
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Post by mountain on Oct 4, 2019 3:12:17 GMT -5
Nathan, I will apply your logic. Admittedly you were correct about the Germans being called Germans during the Second World War, but they were called other things as well. How you can suggest that a belt buckle is actually God, is another matter. The mind boggles? Please read my post to Nathan just below yours. So you too believe that a belt buckle is God?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 4, 2019 8:26:19 GMT -5
Please read my post to Nathan just below yours. So you too believe that a belt buckle is God? You’re being totally ridiculous!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 4, 2019 8:29:43 GMT -5
He didn’t exactly “exalt him”, he anointed him above his fellows. Are we going to debate the pedantic differences between exalt and anoint? The woman anointed Jesus with the alabaster box. Did this make Jesus God? He didn’t have to exalt him! He already was exalted from the time the Father begat him before the world ever began. John 17:5. Now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world ever was. Reference: John 1:1,2
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 4, 2019 8:31:23 GMT -5
This is not Trinity this is the Father’s own words. Hebrews 1:8. “But unto the Son the Father saith, ‘THY THRONE, O GOD,’ is for ever and ever...” Shaz , you keep taking this passage out of context time and time again. You are quite simply not seeing the woods for the trees. I have explained this several times in recent posts but you choose to ignore it. Sit back and study the chapter and try, just try, and see what is going on there. Quite simply, the Almighty God is crowning the human being Jesus, giving him all authority to reign on behalf of God as his inheritance. Jesus is a God today, not because he is the Almighty God, but simply because of his authority and position. One day he will return that authority to his heavenly Father. As things stand, God is still controlling the human being Jesus. In scriptures, those human beings to whom God gave authority to speak on his behalf, were in fact Gods, because they were representing the one true God and speaking his words. The trin has a lot to answer for. As Virgs says...'Bin the Trin!' Then start learning the truth! (Virgs) It is you and others who are making God a liar by not believing the record he gave of his Son.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 4, 2019 8:32:49 GMT -5
"For all the gods of the people are idols: but the Lord made the heavens." - 1 Chronicles 16:26. "God the Son" is a man-made idol which is never found in the Bible. All Trinitarians are IDOLATORS for worshiping this invention. Of course the idolatry has a tendency to spread even further in these churches. The next thing you know, you have a leader sitting on a golden throne, clutching a crucifix, and wearing a more elaborate gown than Miss America. The simplicity of the Gospel defies many. (Virgs) Who IS Jesus? Do you believe he is Lord and Saviour?
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