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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 27, 2019 11:36:55 GMT -5
Are you saying that you agree with these observations, or that you disagree with them? In part, or in whole? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. What I’m saying that when or if my observations about scriptures being similar to recorded Catholic observations have nothing to do with whatever they teach or practice. The Catholic priests are highly educated men who have studied scriptures and other media and come up with their observations, however they may or may not teach those observations and or practice them for they have their traditions and rites which is their typical form of church service/teaching. Whereas my scriptural observations become my way of worshipping the Lord. And I seek to teach them to others as I see Gods Word as being the final say-so on the matters.
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Post by mountain on Sept 27, 2019 12:52:52 GMT -5
Are you saying that you agree with these observations, or that you disagree with them? In part, or in whole? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. What I’m saying that when or if my observations about scriptures being similar to recorded Catholic observations have nothing to do with whatever they teach or practice. The Catholic priests are highly educated men who have studied scriptures and other media and come up with their observations, however they may or may not teach those observations and or practice them for they have their traditions and rites which is their typical form of church service/teaching. Whereas my scriptural observations become my way of worshipping the Lord. And I seek to teach them to others as I see Gods Word as being the final say-so on the matters. Basically, where your observations are similar to recorded Catholic observations (doctrine and/or practices I presume?), this is purely coincidental? I'm not sure of your point about Catholic priests being highly educated men who have studied scriptures and other media to come up with their observations (strange use of term here?). Such a status attained by this means is easily dismissed from scriptures.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 27, 2019 13:33:55 GMT -5
What I’m saying that when or if my observations about scriptures being similar to recorded Catholic observations have nothing to do with whatever they teach or practice. The Catholic priests are highly educated men who have studied scriptures and other media and come up with their observations, however they may or may not teach those observations and or practice them for they have their traditions and rites which is their typical form of church service/teaching. Whereas my scriptural observations become my way of worshipping the Lord. And I seek to teach them to others as I see Gods Word as being the final say-so on the matters. Basically, where your observations are similar to recorded Catholic observations (doctrine and/or practices I presume?), this is purely coincidental? I'm not sure of your point about Catholic priests being highly educated men who have studied scriptures and other media to come up with their observations (strange use of term here?). Such a status attained by this means is easily dismissed from scriptures. Purely coincidental on my part. As to them teaching their observations as doctrine or practices, they don’t all of their observations. It’s as I said, the Catholic have their written standards of traditions and rites. That said that would mean not all of their wise observations would necessarily have to be what that taught or practiced. It’s not too much unlike that there are or were workers and friends who have known and believed the Trinity doctrine but by pressure from the other workers they have had to agree not to teach about it or excommunicated. It will not fit into the traditions and practices of the ruling workers.. Thus Holy Spirit revealing the triune God to someone and by pressure or ignorance end up not speaking about it commits a lie against God! After all the key of scriptural knowledge is Jesus is God the Son. For it brings all into unity of faith, it brings all into the knowledge of Son of God, It brings all into the knowledge of the Son of God unto his fullness in stature so that we may grow up to his head, the head of his bodycwhich we are!
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Post by mountain on Sept 27, 2019 14:24:16 GMT -5
Basically, where your observations are similar to recorded Catholic observations (doctrine and/or practices I presume?), this is purely coincidental? I'm not sure of your point about Catholic priests being highly educated men who have studied scriptures and other media to come up with their observations (strange use of term here?). Such a status attained by this means is easily dismissed from scriptures. Purely coincidental on my part. As to them teaching their observations as doctrine or practices, they don’t all of their observations. It’s as I said, the Catholic have their written standards of traditions and rites. That said that would mean not all of their wise observations would necessarily have to be what that taught or practiced. It’s not too much unlike that there are or were workers and friends who have known and believed the Trinity doctrine but by pressure from the other workers they have had to agree not to teach about it or excommunicated. It will not fit into the traditions and practices of the ruling workers.. Thus Holy Spirit revealing the triune God to someone and by pressure or ignorance end up not speaking about it commits a lie against God! After all the key of scriptural knowledge is Jesus is God the Son. For it brings all into unity of faith, it brings all into the knowledge of Son of God, It brings all into the knowledge of the Son of God unto his fullness in stature so that we may grow up to his head, the head of his bodycwhich we are! I will say this. The Holy Spirit has NEVER revealed trinity doctrine as being correct to anyone.
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Post by Grant on Sept 27, 2019 14:52:43 GMT -5
Purely coincidental on my part. As to them teaching their observations as doctrine or practices, they don’t all of their observations. It’s as I said, the Catholic have their written standards of traditions and rites. That said that would mean not all of their wise observations would necessarily have to be what that taught or practiced. It’s not too much unlike that there are or were workers and friends who have known and believed the Trinity doctrine but by pressure from the other workers they have had to agree not to teach about it or excommunicated. It will not fit into the traditions and practices of the ruling workers.. Thus Holy Spirit revealing the triune God to someone and by pressure or ignorance end up not speaking about it commits a lie against God! After all the key of scriptural knowledge is Jesus is God the Son. For it brings all into unity of faith, it brings all into the knowledge of Son of God, It brings all into the knowledge of the Son of God unto his fullness in stature so that we may grow up to his head, the head of his bodycwhich we are! I will say this. The Holy Spirit has NEVER revealed trinity doctrine as being correct to anyone. Others would say otherwise. Does the Holy Spirit reveal that the Trinity is not true? Many would say it does not.
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Post by mountain on Sept 27, 2019 15:14:42 GMT -5
I will say this. The Holy Spirit has NEVER revealed trinity doctrine as being correct to anyone. Others would say otherwise. Does the Holy Spirit reveal that the Trinity is not true? Many would say it does not. It is my opinion that it does! The Holy Spirit cannot lie!
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Post by Grant on Sept 27, 2019 16:13:51 GMT -5
Others would say otherwise. Does the Holy Spirit reveal that the Trinity is not true? Many would say it does not. It is my opinion that it does! The Holy Spirit cannot lie! So who is listening to the Holy Spirit and who is not? Those who believe the Holy Spirit has revealed the Trinity to them or those who say it's not true.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 27, 2019 16:17:26 GMT -5
The major problem you seem to think that is there is simply people relying on the Bible to lead them into all truths. However, just the other day, Bob W. Asked me if Id been to Catholic seminary. I could honestly say no, I had not! That I knew nothing about the Catholic religion and had no desire to. Then I admitted to Bob that Im not surprised that I’ve come away from studying the Bible with some observations that the Catholics have had, because, after all, they compiled the Bible. But then in studying further, the compilation of the Bible pretty closely matches other scriptures from Jesus’ Times as well as what I’ve heard Israeli Christians observe. And as the Jews have notably been considered foes by every nation at some time or other and yet their Christianity matches what the Israeli Christians say, one has to believe there is more then a smattering of truth in the common observations done by Catholics and by people like myself, that are found in the Bible. I feel it’s erroneous for me to waysay any observations commonly found in the Bible simply just to say I don’t believe like the Catholics is being adverse just to be different. I regret to say that I have found very few things taught and practised by the Catholic Church to be compatible with the King James Bible. However, that is just my opinion and experience. And the Catholic church does recognize that. They believe that the Bible is only part of their "doctrine". Tradition and ongoing revelations count just as importantly to them.
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Post by mountain on Sept 27, 2019 16:38:04 GMT -5
It is my opinion that it does! The Holy Spirit cannot lie! So who is listening to the Holy Spirit and who is not? Those who believe the Holy Spirit has revealed the Trinity to them or those who say it's not true. We are told to discern the spirits. There are many deceiving spirits out there.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 28, 2019 11:36:46 GMT -5
Others would say otherwise. Does the Holy Spirit reveal that the Trinity is not true? Many would say it does not. It is my opinion that it does! The Holy Spirit cannot lie! No, he wouldn’t lie. Especially wouldn’t contradict the Father’s words. As in Hebrews 1:8. “But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: thy scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.” Plainly the Father is calling His Son “God”.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 28, 2019 11:40:27 GMT -5
Purely coincidental on my part. As to them teaching their observations as doctrine or practices, they don’t all of their observations. It’s as I said, the Catholic have their written standards of traditions and rites. That said that would mean not all of their wise observations would necessarily have to be what that taught or practiced. It’s not too much unlike that there are or were workers and friends who have known and believed the Trinity doctrine but by pressure from the other workers they have had to agree not to teach about it or excommunicated. It will not fit into the traditions and practices of the ruling workers.. Thus Holy Spirit revealing the triune God to someone and by pressure or ignorance end up not speaking about it commits a lie against God! After all the key of scriptural knowledge is Jesus is God the Son. For it brings all into unity of faith, it brings all into the knowledge of Son of God, It brings all into the knowledge of the Son of God unto his fullness in stature so that we may grow up to his head, the head of his bodycwhich we are! I will say this. The Holy Spirit has NEVER revealed trinity doctrine as being correct to anyone. You’re very wrong! The Holy Spirit assured me that Jesus is God by making me catch what Hebrews1:8 is really saying. It is saying the Father called His Son “God” and if the Father says Jesus is God, then there is no question about it as the Father’s word is truth and is final!
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Post by Dan on Sept 30, 2019 22:14:55 GMT -5
You’re very wrong! The Holy Spirit assured me that Jesus is God by making me catch what Hebrews1:8 is really saying. It is saying the Father called His Son “God” and if the Father says Jesus is God, then there is no question about it as the Father’s word is truth and is final!
Also consider that when the devil tempted Jesus in the wilderness, "If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down", Jesus responded with, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" (Matthew 4:6&7).
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Post by nathan on Oct 1, 2019 0:38:16 GMT -5
I will say this. The Holy Spirit has NEVER revealed trinity doctrine as being correct to anyone. You’re very wrong! The Holy Spirit assured me that Jesus is God by making me catch what Hebrews1:8 is really saying. It is saying the Father called His Son “God” and if the Father says Jesus is God, then there is no question about it as the Father’s word is truth and is final! Right on, One of the Holy Spirit responsibilities is to REVEAL the Godhead- God the Father, Christ and himself to people and especially to the believers on this side of eternity. Jesus mentioned this in John chapters 13-17 when he came to take His place, He will reveal Jesus is God the Christ/Son and who God Father is to us/believers.
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Post by nathan on Oct 1, 2019 0:45:59 GMT -5
You’re very wrong! The Holy Spirit assured me that Jesus is God by making me catch what Hebrews1:8 is really saying. It is saying the Father called His Son “God” and if the Father says Jesus is God, then there is no question about it as the Father’s word is truth and is final!
Also consider that when the devil tempted Jesus in the wilderness, "If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down", Jesus responded with, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" (Matthew 4:6&7).
"Thou/Satan shall NOT tempt the Lord thy God is Christ/Jesus Himself." Jesus was telling Satan you should NOT tempt the LORD thy God, Jesus/Christ is Satan's God. Christ and God the Father are Creators of ALL angels including, Satan himself and he KNEW Christ, the Holy Spirit and God the Father are his God.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 1, 2019 0:53:24 GMT -5
You’re very wrong! The Holy Spirit assured me that Jesus is God by making me catch what Hebrews1:8 is really saying. It is saying the Father called His Son “God” and if the Father says Jesus is God, then there is no question about it as the Father’s word is truth and is final! Also consider that when the devil tempted Jesus in the wilderness, "If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down", Jesus responded with, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" (Matthew 4:6&7).
Yes, thank you! Very evident that Jesus was talking about himself by the letters used in “Lord”.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 1, 2019 3:39:17 GMT -5
I wasn't contradicting what you claim you heard. I only explained why you may never have heard such things. Most 2x2's actually develop some skill at avoiding exposure to some of these more untenable situations. I have a relative who simply refuses to even hear the truth about the truth. She refuses to listen to anything that is remotely possibly true so how can she ever face up to the truth? Likely when she dies and nothing or no one is there to take her home? OH! how I pray not! Wow, that's a terrible thing to say about your relative, that's so judgmental! I don't think like that about anyone, I have hope for everyone and leave that judgement to God!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 1, 2019 9:48:41 GMT -5
I have a relative who simply refuses to even hear the truth about the truth. She refuses to listen to anything that is remotely possibly true so how can she ever face up to the truth? Likely when she dies and nothing or no one is there to take her home? OH! how I pray not! Wow, that's a terrible thing to say about your relative, that's so judgmental! I don't think like that about anyone, I have hope for everyone and leave that judgement to God! What do you think I said “I pray not!” for? That’s not judgmental at all, that’s knowing that if we don’t take what God has left in record about his Son as truth and believe it, whether we understand it or not; we are definitely making God a liar. I John 5:10
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Post by maryhig on Oct 1, 2019 10:53:22 GMT -5
Wow, that's a terrible thing to say about your relative, that's so judgmental! I don't think like that about anyone, I have hope for everyone and leave that judgement to God! What do you think I said “I pray not!” for? That’s not judgmental at all, that’s knowing that if we don’t take what God has left in record about his Son as truth and believe it, whether we understand it or not; we are definitely making God a liar. I John 5:10 Quote: Likely when she dies and nothing or no one is there to take her home? OH! how I pray not! You said LIKELY when she dies and NOTHING or NO ONE is there to take her home? Why will it be "likely" nothing or no one will be there to take her home? Just because she doesn't believe as you do? God is her judge as he is mine and yours also. And God looks at the heart. Those who belong to God judge by the word of God, and leave God to judge the hearts.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 1, 2019 12:27:50 GMT -5
What do you think I said “I pray not!” for? That’s not judgmental at all, that’s knowing that if we don’t take what God has left in record about his Son as truth and believe it, whether we understand it or not; we are definitely making God a liar. I John 5:10 Quote: Likely when she dies and nothing or no one is there to take her home? OH! how I pray not! You said LIKELY when she dies and NOTHING or NO ONE is there to take her home? Why will it be "likely" nothing or no one will be there to take her home? Just because she doesn't believe as you do? God is her judge as he is mine and yours also. And God looks at the heart. Those who belong to God judge by the word of God, and leave God to judge the hearts. I do use and believe the Father’s word! I’ve had great grief and guilt because in ignorance I did not catch or see Hebrews 1:8 or Psalms 45:6-7. Making God a liar. I then read I John 5:10 which says “He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that BELIEVETH NOT GOD hath MADE HIM a LIAR; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.” So if my relative does the same thing and continues to do so even after being told, then great fearful looking forward to wrath can be had, for there is no more sacrifice. Hebrews 10:20
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Post by maryhig on Oct 2, 2019 6:26:13 GMT -5
Quote: Likely when she dies and nothing or no one is there to take her home? OH! how I pray not! You said LIKELY when she dies and NOTHING or NO ONE is there to take her home? Why will it be "likely" nothing or no one will be there to take her home? Just because she doesn't believe as you do? God is her judge as he is mine and yours also. And God looks at the heart. Those who belong to God judge by the word of God, and leave God to judge the hearts. I do use and believe the Father’s word! I’ve had great grief and guilt because in ignorance I did not catch or see Hebrews 1:8 or Psalms 45:6-7. Making God a liar. I then read I John 5:10 which says “He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that BELIEVETH NOT GOD hath MADE HIM a LIAR; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.” So if my relative does the same thing and continues to do so even after being told, then great fearful looking forward to wrath can be had, for there is no more sacrifice. Hebrews 10:20 It's Hebrews 10:26 that talks about no more sacrifice. And it says that if we sin wilfully after we have received knowledge of the truth, then there is no more sacrifice for sin. And sinning wilfully is living by the lusts of the flesh and putting this world before God when we know it is wrong to do so before God. Not having a disbelief in the trinity. Nowhere in the Bible does it tell us that we must believe that Jesus is God to be saved, but rather that we are to believe that Jesus is the son of God. So if that's what it says that we are to believe in, in the Bible, then that's what we are to believe and judgement should be left to God.
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Post by mountain on Oct 2, 2019 7:13:33 GMT -5
Also consider that when the devil tempted Jesus in the wilderness, "If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down", Jesus responded with, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" (Matthew 4:6&7).
Yes, thank you! Very evident that Jesus was talking about himself by the letters used in “Lord”. The above is an absolute classic example of not reading the passages correctly and totally misunderstanding what is written. Here are the correct passages in full. Matthew 4 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. You my dear Shaz left out the all important verses. The devil was tempting Jesus by asking him to cast himself down, in the belief that God via his angels would save him. Ultimately this would be tempting God to save him and this is what Jesus was referring to. I doubt even the most hardened trinitarian would disagree with that. (Virgs)
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 2, 2019 9:51:17 GMT -5
I do use and believe the Father’s word! I’ve had great grief and guilt because in ignorance I did not catch or see Hebrews 1:8 or Psalms 45:6-7. Making God a liar. I then read I John 5:10 which says “He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that BELIEVETH NOT GOD hath MADE HIM a LIAR; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.” So if my relative does the same thing and continues to do so even after being told, then great fearful looking forward to wrath can be had, for there is no more sacrifice. Hebrews 10:20 It's Hebrews 10:26 that talks about no more sacrifice. And it says that if we sin wilfully after we have received knowledge of the truth, then there is no more sacrifice for sin. And sinning wilfully is living by the lusts of the flesh and putting this world before God when we know it is wrong to do so before God. Not having a disbelief in the trinity. Nowhere in the Bible does it tell us that we must believe that Jesus is God to be saved, but rather that we are to believe that Jesus is the son of God. So if that's what it says that we are to believe in, in the Bible, then that's what we are to believe and judgement should be left to God. Hebrews 1:8 and Psalms “BUT UNTO THE SON he saith, THY throne, OGOD, is for ever and ever : a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. Next verse again calls the Son “GOD”. “Thou hast lived righteousness and hated iniquity; therefore GOD(SON), thy GOD( Father), hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness ABOVE thy Fellows. For me to purposefully say those verses do not say the Father is calling his Son “GOD” is me making the Father a liar and the Bible is clear that is a grave sin and is blasphemy against the Father! There are other sins besides that of lusts. I’ve explained to you that I John 5:10 plainly says that if we don’t believe what God has left on record about his Son we are making God a liar. That IS A SIN FAR WORSE then sins of the flesh. IT IS BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD! And when we are told about those records God has left and we purposefully disregard them and continue to deny what the Father has said about his Son, then we are committing blasphemy against the Father. There are NO IFS or BUTS about it. And since you have no knowledge of what my relative has been informed of you have inserted your inadequate beliefs into the equation. I know what the Bible says and I know the situation.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 2, 2019 10:09:41 GMT -5
Yes, thank you! Very evident that Jesus was talking about himself by the letters used in “Lord”. The above is an absolute classic example of not reading the passages correctly and totally misunderstanding what is written. Here are the correct passages in full. Matthew 4 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. You my dear Shaz left out the all important verses. The devil was tempting Jesus by asking him to cast himself down, in the belief that God via his angels would save him. Ultimately this would be tempting God to save him and this is what Jesus was referring to. I doubt even the most hardened trinitarian would disagree with that. (Virgs) You’re fail to notice the letters used in “Lord”. Just as I said in my original post. Note the difference in the letters in “LORD” in Deuteronomy www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Deuteronomie_6_1611/Compare to Matthew 4:6 “ Lord” www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-4-7/Kupioc is the word used where “Lord” is in that verse is assigned to Christ. www.blueletterbible.org/lang/trench/section.cfm?sectionID=28
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Post by mountain on Oct 2, 2019 10:17:11 GMT -5
The above is an absolute classic example of not reading the passages correctly and totally misunderstanding what is written. Here are the correct passages in full. Matthew 4 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. You my dear Shaz left out the all important verses. The devil was tempting Jesus by asking him to cast himself down, in the belief that God via his angels would save him. Ultimately this would be tempting God to save him and this is what Jesus was referring to. I doubt even the most hardened trinitarian would disagree with that. (Virgs) You’re fail to notice the letters used in “Lord”. Just as I said in my original post. Note the difference in the letters in “LORD” in Deuteronomy www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Deuteronomie_6_1611/Compare to Matthew 4:6 “ Lord” www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-4-7/Kupioc is the word used where “Lord” is in that verse is assigned to Christ. www.blueletterbible.org/lang/trench/section.cfm?sectionID=28Keep wriggling Shaz. There are many Lords. We have a whole upper Parliament full of them in the UK. Do you want some? We're trying to get rid of them. Lord Jesus Christ and Lord God Almighty are two different persons. Context MUST always be observed.
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Post by nathan on Oct 2, 2019 16:01:16 GMT -5
Keep wriggling Shaz. There are many Lords. We have a whole upper Parliament full of them in the UK. Do you want some? We're trying to get rid of them. Lord Jesus Christ and Lord God Almighty are two different persons. Context MUST always be observed. *** The Lord Jesus Christ and the Lord Almighty are the same person read Rev. 1:7-8.
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Post by mountain on Oct 3, 2019 4:24:51 GMT -5
Keep wriggling Shaz. There are many Lords. We have a whole upper Parliament full of them in the UK. Do you want some? We're trying to get rid of them. Lord Jesus Christ and Lord God Almighty are two different persons. Context MUST always be observed. *** The Lord Jesus Christ and the Lord Almighty are the same person read Rev. 1:7-8. Read it slowly and studiously Nathan. You will clearly see that they are two different persons. It's good to start by remembering that Jesus got the revelation from God in the first place. Jesus was representing his God. (Virgs) By the way, you were right. I meant to tell you this ages ago. The Germans did have tanks and very big artillery pieces during the last war. It's amazing what a little research can reveal! It seems the 18th Artillery Division (Wehrmacht) was the battalion that was planned to set up a large battery on the Moon for long distance shelling of the UK and USA late in the last war. After suffering severe losses during 1943 on the Eastern Front the Battalion was disbanded in 1944, but many of its members were secretly retained for the top secret Lunar project. The 1st Lunar Artillery Division (Wehrmacht) was secretly formed and was being prepared for its space mission in Northern Germany, having set up trial batteries near Peenemünde Army Research Center in Pomerania, but were largely hindered by the Allied landings in Normandy, requiring most of the personnel to be redirected. The artillery pieces which had been set up on the Moon were ultimately abandoned and never retrieved. In Stan D. Legweak's autobiography he states...... 'It was galling to step onto that surface, thinking that no man had ever set foot there before us, that we were pioneers, only to discover fifteen giant guns, all mounted on huge platforms, with more gun positions in the making. The German flags and NAZI insignia was a clear giveaway as to their origin. There they were, abandoned and eerie, in pristine condition, just as they had been left about a quarter of a century beforehand, preserved by the lack of atmosphere on the Moon. Huge piles of undecomposed bodies of slave workers lay in natural craters, used as burial pits, lying open, either because they were left in a hurry, or it had been considered unnecessary to cover them over. We all felt deflated by the discovery, somehow thinking our great achievement was little more than a routine visit instead of the incredible feat it was being portrayed to be. Neil was in tears when he communicated the discovery back to base. They came back telling us to forget what we had seen and that is when we got instructions to do our 'One small step for man, but one giant leap for mankind' scene. It became clear that our Government knew all along about the German wartime activities on the Moon and had deliberately sent us to the very place where the Nazis had had a moon base. Remember, the great German rocket scientist, Werner von Braun was now a leading figure in our own country's space programme. We were then asked to look for and retrieve a small sealed cabinet, under strict instructions not to open it. We later learned from colleagues that the cabinet contained many of von Braun's wartime research papers which were to prove invaluable during the Cold War. Later, some of us agreed never to give lectures on our visit because we would have had to tell lies, lies and more lies!'(Nathan)
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Post by nathan on Oct 3, 2019 7:59:57 GMT -5
*** The Lord Jesus Christ and the Lord Almighty are the same person read Rev. 1:7-8. Read it slowly and studiously Nathan. You will clearly see that they are two different persons. It's good to start by remembering that Jesus got the revelation from God in the first place. Jesus was representing his God. (Virgs) Here is something for you to think about Ram. Yahweh God (the Son) and Jesus are one the same Person/Savior.
Someone wrote: The Son of God in the Old Testament: Any time the Old Testament Scriptures state that someone saw God, they saw the preincarnate Christ, Jesus himself, before he was born and lived as a human being through the virgin birth. John 1:18 states that "no man hath seen God (the Father) at any time' the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared (revealed) him." Appearances of Jesus in the Old Testament are theologically called "Christophanies". Jesus walked in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve. The word "God" in the book of Genesis speaks of "Elohim" (Plural/the Trinity) but "the LORD, and "the LORD God", who spoke personally to Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham and many of the Old Testament prophets, is the personal and visible manifestation of God, which is Jesus.The personal name of God in the Old Testament is "Yahweh", translated "LORD" (All Capitol letters) In the KJV, 1 Cor. 15:47 states that Jesus is "The Lord" from heaven, (Note:) the title "Lord" in this verse has the Greek article "the" Meaning that "The LORD", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left His home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth. Jesus Christ of the New Testament, and "Yahweh" of the Old Testament are one and the same! Jesus appeared personally, face to face with Moses and the Old Testament prophets of God. Ex. 33:11 where "the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." Exodus 24:9-11 Moses and seventy elders of Israel "saw the God of Israel" Jesus is the visible manifestation of "The God of Israel God, in the person of Jesus, and two angels walked up to Abraham's tent and had dinner with him before they destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Genesis ch. 18 and 19. Jesus in the "Ancient of Days", in Daniel 7:9-14 (Notice the description is basically the same as the glorified Christ in Rev. 1:12-18. Jesus was in the cloud that followed the children of Israel through the Red Sea. 1 Cor. 10:4 - Ex. 14:14, 19 & 25. The "angel of God" literally means "the appearance of God" The Scriptures clearly teach that "Jesus", of the New Testament, and "Yahweh", translated "LORD", of the Old Testament, are the same person - the Second Person of the Trinity, the "revealed", or "manifest" Person of Almighty God. 1 Cor. 15:47 states that Jesus is "THE Lord" from heaven, (Note: the name "Jesus" has the Greek article "the"). 1 Cor. 15:47 is stating that the "Lord", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left his home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth. Jesus Christ, of the New Testament, and "Yahweh"/God the Son of the Old Testament are one and the same:
Yahweh is The Creator: Isa.40:28 (Yahweh/God) Jesus is The Creator: John 1:3 (Jesus) Yahweh is the First and Last: Isa. 41:4 44:6 (Yahweh) Jesus is the First and Last: Rev. 1:17 2:8 & 22:13 (Jesus) Yahweh is The Lord of Lords: Deut. 10:17 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Lord of Lords: 1 Tim. 6:15 (Jesus) Yahweh is the Savior: Isa 45:21 43:11 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Saviour. John 4:42 (Jesus) Yahweh is The Light: Psa. 27:1, Isa. 60: 19-20 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Light. John 1:1-9 & 8:12 (Jesus) Yahweh is The Shepherd: Ps. 23:1 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Shepherd: John 10:11 (Jesus) Yahweh is The Glory of God: Isa. 42:8 48:11 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Glory of God: John 17:1, 5 (Jesus) Yahweh is The Redeemer: Isa. 41:14, Jer. 50:34, (Yahweh) Jesus is The Redeemer: Rev. 5:9 (Jesus) Yahweh is The Rock: Ps. 18:2 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Rock: 1 Cor. 10:4 (Jesus) Yahweh is the Creator of angels: Psa. 148:5 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Creator of Angels: Col. 1:16 (Jesus) Yahweh is The I AM: Ex. 3:14 (Yahweh) Jesus is The I AM: John 8:58 18:5,6 (Jesus) Yahweh is The Bridegroom: Isa. 62:5 Hosea 2:16 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Bridegroom: Rev. 21: 2, Matt. 25:11 (Jesus) Yahweh is The Judge: Joel 3:12 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Judge: John 5:27 Matt. 25:31-46 (Jesus) Yahweh is The Forgiver of sins: Jer. 31:34 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Forgiver of sins: Mark 2:7, 10 (Jesus) Yahweh is The Holy One: Isa. 43:3 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Holy One: Acts 3:14 (Jesus)
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Post by mountain on Oct 3, 2019 8:30:29 GMT -5
Who is the 'Someone' as in 'Someone Wrote', Nathan?
Where do we see 'God the Son' term in the Bible? How many times?
Are we exhorted to believe in the Son of God (a human term), or God the Son, as part of our Salvation?
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