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Post by Dennis J on Sept 12, 2019 21:50:56 GMT -5
This is to list things learned about the group since professing feel free to add to it,
1. The group, friends and Sunday a.m. meetings have not been since the beginning.
2. Everything told me about the truth has not been the truth.
3. Most of That which I have been taught about the workers has been untrue.
4. Uniformity is not unity.
5. Scripture is frequently mis-quoted mis-applied in the doctrine.
6. Doctrine is not universal.
7. Workers are not God manifest in flesh.
8. Obedience to workers does not bring life.
9. Workers are not pure and many are hypocrites.
The correction to all these things in myself or another is a matter of being born again, or not. Years in the group for all are not the answer. The true answer for me has been my Lord and Savior, Yahu’shuah ha Meshiach, (Jesus Christ) the name by which none else are saved.
He, alone, offers everlasting life.
Sincerely,
Dennis Jacobsen, (dying of renal failure at age 76.)
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Post by Dan on Sept 13, 2019 1:00:32 GMT -5
1. The group, friends and Sunday a.m. meetings have not been since the beginning. I personally never had anyone claim that it was. 7. Workers are not God manifest in flesh. I've never heard one claim that they were?
8. Obedience to workers does not bring life. Again, I've never heard a Worker express such a thing.
9. Workers are not pure and many are hypocrites. Don't know about hypocrites, but I've never heard a Worker say they were pure? In fact, I've heard many of them say that we are all sinners.
He, alone, offers everlasting life. That's pretty much the message I always heard preached/taught.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 13, 2019 16:14:22 GMT -5
1. The group, friends and Sunday a.m. meetings have not been since the beginning. I personally never had anyone claim that it was. 7. Workers are not God manifest in flesh. I've never heard one claim that they were?
8. Obedience to workers does not bring life. Again, I've never heard a Worker express such a thing.
9. Workers are not pure and many are hypocrites. Don't know about hypocrites, but I've never heard a Worker say they were pure? In fact, I've heard many of them say that we are all sinners.
You obviously either (1) haven't been around that much, or (2) you brownnose enough.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 13, 2019 18:54:09 GMT -5
1. The group, friends and Sunday a.m. meetings have not been since the beginning. I personally never had anyone claim that it was. 7. Workers are not God manifest in flesh. I've never heard one claim that they were?
8. Obedience to workers does not bring life. Again, I've never heard a Worker express such a thing.
9. Workers are not pure and many are hypocrites. Don't know about hypocrites, but I've never heard a Worker say they were pure? In fact, I've heard many of them say that we are all sinners.
He, alone, offers everlasting life. That's pretty much the message I always heard preached/taught.
Since the real truth about the history of the two by twos has become generally known, the answer nowadays is”I don’t know what the beef is all about the history, for this way has been since before the world ever became.” By older sister worker. “The Bible only becomes alive through the workers.” Taking away from the Holy Spirit’s powers! Living witness doctrine. If one doesn’t do as workers say and expect, you’re either bad spirited, or on the edge going out or they excommunicate you. “The workers are the ones who we know will have eternal life, it’s still unknown about the friends.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 22:22:09 GMT -5
"We have to remember the beautiful children that are following on, and the best heritage you can give them is to love God, to love the meetings, to love the workers. It is far better than any natural inheritance." They do have a trinity then... God, Meetings and Workers. www.trutharchive.net/kathy-hoare---visiting-worker-to-maroota---2012-1Reading through Truth Archive (the actual words that apparently nobody has ever heard) is very helpful. Jack Carroll as well has some special gems about the 'true servant' phrase apparently nobody has ever heard either. Pay close attention to the first two paragraphs - he starts with a contrast of "true vs false" preachers, and then subtly changes it to "our vs their" ministers. Neat trick Jack. Be a pity if someone caughted it... www.trutharchive.net/jack-carroll---the-true-ministersWillie Jamison is also helpful in reminding us that nobody thinks the fellowship is the exclusive family of God. His delightful sermon is full gems to make the most contented cat burglar twitch, including, "If the door is typical of Jesus, the walls round about the door might typify us, the workers. It is true that the people of God are inside, in one sense, of the fellowship of the servants of God." He also makes it clear that nobody uses the term "false prophets" to describe everyone except the workers, by explaining so even a fool like myself can understand... "The longer I preach, the more I feel how easy it is to be a false preacher, even after knowing a great lot about what it means to be a true preacher. In former years, I used to apply this tenth chapter of John to the men in the world whom we call the false prophets, but I have ceased from doing that in the same sense I did before, because all false preachers in the world will never hinder us very much as long as they are all outside of the family and Kingdom of God." www.trutharchive.net/willie-jamieson---true-and-false-teachersSo, I guess the question I have to wonder... are these just more "lies on the internet"?
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Post by snow on Sept 14, 2019 12:39:25 GMT -5
"We have to remember the beautiful children that are following on, and the best heritage you can give them is to love God, to love the meetings, to love the workers. It is far better than any natural inheritance." They do have a trinity then... God, Meetings and Workers. www.trutharchive.net/kathy-hoare---visiting-worker-to-maroota---2012-1Reading through Truth Archive (the actual words that apparently nobody has ever heard) is very helpful. Jack Carroll as well has some special gems about the 'true servant' phrase apparently nobody has ever heard either. Pay close attention to the first two paragraphs - he starts with a contrast of "true vs false" preachers, and then subtly changes it to "our vs their" ministers. Neat trick Jack. Be a pity if someone caughted it... www.trutharchive.net/jack-carroll---the-true-ministersWillie Jamison is also helpful in reminding us that nobody thinks the fellowship is the exclusive family of God. His delightful sermon is full gems to make the most contented cat burglar twitch, including, "If the door is typical of Jesus, the walls round about the door might typify us, the workers. It is true that the people of God are inside, in one sense, of the fellowship of the servants of God." He also makes it clear that nobody uses the term "false prophets" to describe everyone except the workers, by explaining so even a fool like myself can understand... "The longer I preach, the more I feel how easy it is to be a false preacher, even after knowing a great lot about what it means to be a true preacher. In former years, I used to apply this tenth chapter of John to the men in the world whom we call the false prophets, but I have ceased from doing that in the same sense I did before, because all false preachers in the world will never hinder us very much as long as they are all outside of the family and Kingdom of God." www.trutharchive.net/willie-jamieson---true-and-false-teachersSo, I guess the question I have to wonder... are these just more "lies on the internet"? It was Willie Jamison that stayed with my grandfather on his ranch in 1915 approximately. If he taught him this stuff, I have to wonder why an otherwise intelligent man would fall for it. They helped him on the ranch and likely he liked Willie and his companion so he just decided it was as good as any belief and here we are today. Only two out of 7 of his children ever professed. Same happened to my maternal grandmother. She was at a vulnerable time in her life when the workers showed up in her town. She and my mother were the only ones that ever professed in that family of 6. Her husband never did either.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Sept 14, 2019 13:32:53 GMT -5
The workers may not say some of these things about themselves. But some of their friends say and believe that the workers are a higher class of human beings.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 14, 2019 16:10:24 GMT -5
The workers may not say some of these things about themselves. But some of their friends say and believe that the workers are a higher class of human beings. And not all the workers like that. I know a few good workers who resent this kind of treatment from the friends.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Sept 14, 2019 16:59:52 GMT -5
i have had a few who felt like the friends were elevating them too highly.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 14, 2019 17:08:01 GMT -5
"We have to remember the beautiful children that are following on, and the best heritage you can give them is to love God, to love the meetings, to love the workers. It is far better than any natural inheritance." They do have a trinity then... God, Meetings and Workers. www.trutharchive.net/kathy-hoare---visiting-worker-to-maroota---2012-1Reading through Truth Archive (the actual words that apparently nobody has ever heard) is very helpful. Jack Carroll as well has some special gems about the 'true servant' phrase apparently nobody has ever heard either. Pay close attention to the first two paragraphs - he starts with a contrast of "true vs false" preachers, and then subtly changes it to "our vs their" ministers. Neat trick Jack. Be a pity if someone caughted it... www.trutharchive.net/jack-carroll---the-true-ministersWillie Jamison is also helpful in reminding us that nobody thinks the fellowship is the exclusive family of God. His delightful sermon is full gems to make the most contented cat burglar twitch, including, "If the door is typical of Jesus, the walls round about the door might typify us, the workers. It is true that the people of God are inside, in one sense, of the fellowship of the servants of God." He also makes it clear that nobody uses the term "false prophets" to describe everyone except the workers, by explaining so even a fool like myself can understand... "The longer I preach, the more I feel how easy it is to be a false preacher, even after knowing a great lot about what it means to be a true preacher. In former years, I used to apply this tenth chapter of John to the men in the world whom we call the false prophets, but I have ceased from doing that in the same sense I did before, because all false preachers in the world will never hinder us very much as long as they are all outside of the family and Kingdom of God." www.trutharchive.net/willie-jamieson---true-and-false-teachersSo, I guess the question I have to wonder... are these just more "lies on the internet"? It was Willie Jamison that stayed with my grandfather on his ranch in 1915 approximately. If he taught him this stuff, I have to wonder why an otherwise intelligent man would fall for it. They helped him on the ranch and likely he liked Willie and his companion so he just decided it was as good as any belief and here we are today. Only two out of 7 of his children ever professed. Same happened to my maternal grandmother. She was at a vulnerable time in her life when the workers showed up in her town. She and my mother were the only ones that ever professed in that family of 6. Her husband never did either. The same happened to my maternal grandmother. There was a lot of strife in her backwoods Kentucky woods with people killing one another and she said she had prayed for something to happen, then the sister workers came along.
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Post by Dan on Sept 14, 2019 22:45:47 GMT -5
You obviously either (1) haven't been around that much, or (2) you brownnose enough.
Neither is correct... No need for insults, I think I know what I have and haven't heard.
All Workers I know have encouraged me to follow the example of Christ, and that putting our faith in others can be a stumbling block since we are all fallible.
No Worker has ever claimed to be perfect or claimed to be God manifested in the flesh either. All the ones I know would consider that to be blasphemy. And every Worker I've ever met have only professed and taught that salvation comes only through Christ, and I've never heard one of them deviate from that fundamental message.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 14, 2019 22:55:54 GMT -5
You obviously either (1) haven't been around that much, or (2) you brownnose enough. Neither is correct... No need for insults, I think I know what I have and haven't heard. All Workers I know have encouraged me to follow the example of Christ, and that putting our faith in others can be a stumbling block since we are all fallible.
No Worker has ever claimed to be perfect or claimed to be God manifested in the flesh either. All the ones I know would consider that to be blasphemy. And every Worker I've ever met have only professed and taught that salvation comes only through Christ, and I've never heard one of them deviate from that fundamental message.
I wasn't contradicting what you claim you heard. I only explained why you may never have heard such things. Most 2x2's actually develop some skill at avoiding exposure to some of these more untenable situations.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 26, 2019 12:18:15 GMT -5
Neither is correct... No need for insults, I think I know what I have and haven't heard. All Workers I know have encouraged me to follow the example of Christ, and that putting our faith in others can be a stumbling block since we are all fallible.
No Worker has ever claimed to be perfect or claimed to be God manifested in the flesh either. All the ones I know would consider that to be blasphemy. And every Worker I've ever met have only professed and taught that salvation comes only through Christ, and I've never heard one of them deviate from that fundamental message.
I wasn't contradicting what you claim you heard. I only explained why you may never have heard such things. Most 2x2's actually develop some skill at avoiding exposure to some of these more untenable situations. I have a relative who simply refuses to even hear the truth about the truth. She refuses to listen to anything that is remotely possibly true so how can she ever face up to the truth? Likely when she dies and nothing or no one is there to take her home? OH! how I pray not!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 26, 2019 12:23:46 GMT -5
You obviously either (1) haven't been around that much, or (2) you brownnose enough. Neither is correct... No need for insults, I think I know what I have and haven't heard. All Workers I know have encouraged me to follow the example of Christ, and that putting our faith in others can be a stumbling block since we are all fallible.
No Worker has ever claimed to be perfect or claimed to be God manifested in the flesh either. All the ones I know would consider that to be blasphemy. And every Worker I've ever met have only professed and taught that salvation comes only through Christ, and I've never heard one of them deviate from that fundamental message.
How can one follow Christ if the teaching is incomplete? When the workers decided to not teach Jesus is God the Son, they lost the key of knowledge. And for what reason? All because other Christian churches believe and teach it! If they wanted to be something different, just don’t use the Christian Bible! Make their own bible like some of the newer sects of religion has done. As it is now according to an overseer’s explanation to a young man; “You don’t understand that the itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home are what is very important to us.” So thus losing the key of knowledge, they preach the itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home and that is not the true gospel!
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Post by janj on Sept 26, 2019 12:38:10 GMT -5
I wasn't contradicting what you claim you heard. I only explained why you may never have heard such things. Most 2x2's actually develop some skill at avoiding exposure to some of these more untenable situations. I have a relative who simply refuses to even hear the truth about the truth. She refuses to listen to anything that is remotely possibly true so how can she ever face up to the truth? Likely when she dies and nothing or no one is there to take her home? OH! how I pray not! So she is happy with what she has. Of you are so worried about her you must have decided that she is not 'saved'? That makes you the judge.That puts YOU in a more dangerous position than her IMO.
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Post by janj on Sept 26, 2019 12:41:21 GMT -5
Neither is correct... No need for insults, I think I know what I have and haven't heard. All Workers I know have encouraged me to follow the example of Christ, and that putting our faith in others can be a stumbling block since we are all fallible.
No Worker has ever claimed to be perfect or claimed to be God manifested in the flesh either. All the ones I know would consider that to be blasphemy. And every Worker I've ever met have only professed and taught that salvation comes only through Christ, and I've never heard one of them deviate from that fundamental message.
How can one follow Christ if the teaching is incomplete? When the workers decided to not teach Jesus is God the Son, they lost the key of knowledge. And for what reason? All because other Christian churches believe and teach it! If they wanted to be something different, just don’t use the Christian Bible! Make their own bible like some of the newer sects of religion has done. As it is now according to an overseer’s explanation to a young man; “You don’t understand that the itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home are what is very important to us.” So thus losing the key of knowledge, they preach the itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home and that is not the true gospel! I have always enjoyed your post and have got of help from them, but lately with your obsession about the trinity you are beginning to sound very like Nathan!!
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Post by nathan on Sept 26, 2019 15:31:32 GMT -5
How can one follow Christ if the teaching is incomplete? When the workers decided to not teach Jesus is God the Son, they lost the key of knowledge. And for what reason? All because other Christian churches believe and teach it! If they wanted to be something different, just don’t use the Christian Bible! Make their own bible like some of the newer sects of religion has done. As it is now according to an overseer’s explanation to a young man; “You don’t understand that the itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home are what is very important to us.” So thus losing the key of knowledge, they preach the itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home and that is not the true gospel! I have always enjoyed your post and have got of help from them, but lately with your obsession about the trinity you are beginning to sound very like Nathan!! STR, I enjoy reading and marvel at your understanding on the Trinity, Jesus is God... You have come a long way! I wish the workers have your kind of knowledge so they can teach the friends. If they had these kinds of understanding then their gospel meetings will NOT be so boring for sure. They will liven up the friends knowledge on the Godhead and scriptures will open up to them in a different light!
Keep up, the good work and don't be afraid to share your understanding about our Lord God Jesus and Savior deity/Divine nature.
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Post by janj on Sept 26, 2019 17:46:39 GMT -5
I have always enjoyed your post and have got of help from them, but lately with your obsession about the trinity you are beginning to sound very like Nathan!! STR, I enjoy reading and marvel at your understanding on the Trinity, Jesus is God... You have come a long way! I wish the workers have your kind of knowledge so they can teach the friends. If they had these kinds of understanding then their gospel meetings will NOT be so boring for sure. They will liven up the friends knowledge on the Godhead and scriptures will open up to them in a different light!
Keep up, the good work and don't be afraid to share your understanding about our Lord God Jesus and Savior deity/Divine nature.
Nathan, it is not STR understanding of the trinity that I commented on,she has come up with some great explanations which I appreciate, it's the obsession that if you dont think like her on the topic the you cant be saved and are doomed. THAT is the part that is like you. "If you dont think like me then you havent got it" Judgemental much!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 19:22:18 GMT -5
Neither is correct... No need for insults, I think I know what I have and haven't heard. All Workers I know have encouraged me to follow the example of Christ, and that putting our faith in others can be a stumbling block since we are all fallible.
No Worker has ever claimed to be perfect or claimed to be God manifested in the flesh either. All the ones I know would consider that to be blasphemy. And every Worker I've ever met have only professed and taught that salvation comes only through Christ, and I've never heard one of them deviate from that fundamental message.
I wasn't contradicting what you claim you heard. I only explained why you may never have heard such things. Most 2x2's actually develop some skill at avoiding exposure to some of these more untenable situations. I have heard someone who I respect highly deny ever hearing something they heard just months ago from the last speaker in our special meetings. I've been told, 'if that's what you want to hear, that's what you will hear.', which to a certain extent is true. This is one reason why I have read so much of former sermons. To try to get a handle on the doctrine that was taught to previous generations, so that I might be able to make sense of the logical and seemingly sometimes irrational patterns of behavior amongst friends today. Many that I know will say that they do not believe in exclusivity, but the overall reaction to us not going to meetings suggests something different. I don't blame them for the overreaction, as it makes perfect sense given the little things that they have heard their entire lives in the meetings. However, I admit that it is likely that I see things through the bias that the friends do not. I would submit that it is also likely that the friends see things through a bias that other people do not. While it is true that you hear what you want to hear, it is also just as true that you do not hear what you do not wish to hear.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 26, 2019 22:03:18 GMT -5
How can one follow Christ if the teaching is incomplete? When the workers decided to not teach Jesus is God the Son, they lost the key of knowledge. And for what reason? All because other Christian churches believe and teach it! If they wanted to be something different, just don’t use the Christian Bible! Make their own bible like some of the newer sects of religion has done. As it is now according to an overseer’s explanation to a young man; “You don’t understand that the itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home are what is very important to us.” So thus losing the key of knowledge, they preach the itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home and that is not the true gospel! I have always enjoyed your post and have got of help from them, but lately with your obsession about the trinity you are beginning to sound very like Nathan!! Thank you and I’m sorry Ive not helped you gain insight to the heavenly sacrifice that was paid for our salvation. I’ve come to regret years of essentially calling the Father a liar even though by ignorance, by not catching the importance of Hebrews 1:8 where the Father called the Son “GOD”. If I can help someone else not to have to feel the horribleness of that realization, I want to do that. To NOT HEED what the Father has said, to me is a grievous sin! We sing a hymn that says “at the cost at which he came”. In John 17, Jesus prayed to be restored to the glory he had with the Father before the world ever became. John 3:16 says that God’s so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life. God cannot die, so a body was prepared for God the Son in Mary’s womb, so that the Son could die for our sins. God the Son did not die because he’d committed his spirit into the Father’s keeping. As God is a spirit So was God the Son. It is really very daunting to think that not only an innocent perfect man was crucified for our sins, but God the Son was crucified also(the “his own received him not) all for the sins of the world. The Father’s gift of eternal life was indeed heavenly priceless, not just measured by the suffering of an innocent man but by the pure abuse, scorn, humiliation that was put upon God the Son. The spilling of his blood cleanses us, but the being made a curse made God the Son our Holy Redeemer. Psalms says no man can redeem his brother. That’s why we must look on Jesus to be more then just a perfect man! Until we learn to accept that we cannot measure unto the fullness of the stature of Jesus Christ growing up unto him as the head of us the body. Ephesians 4:13
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 26, 2019 22:17:14 GMT -5
I have a relative who simply refuses to even hear the truth about the truth. She refuses to listen to anything that is remotely possibly true so how can she ever face up to the truth? Likely when she dies and nothing or no one is there to take her home? OH! how I pray not! So she is happy with what she has. Of you are so worried about her you must have decided that she is not 'saved'? That makes you the judge.That puts YOU in a more dangerous position than her IMO. I explained in the answer to you other comment about the realization how horrible it is to essentially call the Father a liar, even by ignorance! I have no idea what happens if we have secret faults and fail to account for them somehow but to me to call the Father a liar by refusing to acknowledge that Jesus is God the Son is a very grievous sin. I’ve felt that grief lately and if I can help others not to have to feel that then maybe Ive done something for God. Psalmist said ,”Oh Father, please forgive me for my secret faults.” But I believe God will reveal to us those things when he realizes we would not want to be sinning against him! That way we maybe can not only get around to grieving over those sins and asking God to forgive us, but in time forgive ourselves!
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Post by Dan on Sept 27, 2019 1:46:15 GMT -5
How can one follow Christ if the teaching is incomplete? As it is now according to an overseer’s explanation to a young man; “You don’t understand that the itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home are what is very important to us.” So thus losing the key of knowledge, they preach the itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home and that is not the true gospel!
The bible is not incomplete, people just have different opinions of what's important and what's required. The apostles were in fact itinerant preachers, and they didn't settle in one place, build a church building, and invent a name for it.. So in that respect, Workers believe they are spreading the gospel as prescribed in the new testament, and they believe that those who ignore the example of Christ and the apostles are in error of how the gospel was to be carried forth. And the fact is, for the first three centuries of the church, Christians typically met in homes.
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Post by mountain on Sept 27, 2019 5:52:37 GMT -5
How can one follow Christ if the teaching is incomplete? As it is now according to an overseer’s explanation to a young man; “You don’t understand that the itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home are what is very important to us.” So thus losing the key of knowledge, they preach the itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home and that is not the true gospel!
The bible is not incomplete, people just have different opinions of what's important and what's required. The apostles were in fact itinerant preachers, and they didn't settle in one place, build a church building, and invent a name for it.. So in that respect, Workers believe they are spreading the gospel as prescribed in the new testament, and they believe that those who ignore the example of Christ and the apostles are in error of how the gospel was to be carried forth. And the fact is, for the first three centuries of the church, Christians typically met in homes.
One major problem with people is that when confronted with the term 'church,' they imagine or form their understanding on what general church structure and practice is nowadays and what has been for centuries. They do not seek out nor are willing to find out the structure and practice of the 1st-2nd century church, and thereby base their beliefs or understandings. Everything nowadays is based upon Catholic structure and practices, or those of the reformed Catholic Church, i.e. the Protestant movement and its many divergencies. And we wonder why there are so many different denominations? (Virgs)
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 27, 2019 10:01:54 GMT -5
The bible is not incomplete, people just have different opinions of what's important and what's required. The apostles were in fact itinerant preachers, and they didn't settle in one place, build a church building, and invent a name for it.. So in that respect, Workers believe they are spreading the gospel as prescribed in the new testament, and they believe that those who ignore the example of Christ and the apostles are in error of how the gospel was to be carried forth. And the fact is, for the first three centuries of the church, Christians typically met in homes.
One major problem with people is that when confronted with the term 'church,' they imagine or form their understanding on what general church structure and practice is nowadays and what has been for centuries. They do not seek out nor are willing to find out the structure and practice of the 1st-2nd century church, and thereby base their beliefs or understandings. Everything nowadays is based upon Catholic structure and practices, or those of the reformed Catholic Church, i.e. the Protestant movement and its many divergencies. And we wonder why there are so many different denominations? (Virgs) The major problem you seem to think that is there is simply people relying on the Bible to lead them into all truths. However, just the other day, Bob W. Asked me if Id been to Catholic seminary. I could honestly say no, I had not! That I knew nothing about the Catholic religion and had no desire to. Then I admitted to Bob that Im not surprised that I’ve come away from studying the Bible with some observations that the Catholics have had, because, after all, they compiled the Bible. But then in studying further, the compilation of the Bible pretty closely matches other scriptures from Jesus’ Times as well as what I’ve heard Israeli Christians observe. And as the Jews have notably been considered foes by every nation at some time or other and yet their Christianity matches what the Israeli Christians say, one has to believe there is more then a smattering of truth in the common observations done by Catholics and by people like myself, that are found in the Bible. I feel it’s erroneous for me to waysay any observations commonly found in the Bible simply just to say I don’t believe like the Catholics is being adverse just to be different.
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Post by mountain on Sept 27, 2019 10:17:56 GMT -5
One major problem with people is that when confronted with the term 'church,' they imagine or form their understanding on what general church structure and practice is nowadays and what has been for centuries. They do not seek out nor are willing to find out the structure and practice of the 1st-2nd century church, and thereby base their beliefs or understandings. Everything nowadays is based upon Catholic structure and practices, or those of the reformed Catholic Church, i.e. the Protestant movement and its many divergencies. And we wonder why there are so many different denominations? (Virgs) The major problem you seem to think that is there is simply people relying on the Bible to lead them into all truths. However, just the other day, Bob W. Asked me if Id been to Catholic seminary. I could honestly say no, I had not! That I knew nothing about the Catholic religion and had no desire to. Then I admitted to Bob that Im not surprised that I’ve come away from studying the Bible with some observations that the Catholics have had, because, after all, they compiled the Bible. But then in studying further, the compilation of the Bible pretty closely matches other scriptures from Jesus’ Times as well as what I’ve heard Israeli Christians observe. And as the Jews have notably been considered foes by every nation at some time or other and yet their Christianity matches what the Israeli Christians say, one has to believe there is more then a smattering of truth in the common observations done by Catholics and by people like myself, that are found in the Bible. I feel it’s erroneous for me to waysay any observations commonly found in the Bible simply just to say I don’t believe like the Catholics is being adverse just to be different. I regret to say that I have found very few things taught and practised by the Catholic Church to be compatible with the King James Bible. However, that is just my opinion and experience.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 27, 2019 10:21:02 GMT -5
How can one follow Christ if the teaching is incomplete? As it is now according to an overseer’s explanation to a young man; “You don’t understand that the itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home are what is very important to us.” So thus losing the key of knowledge, they preach the itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home and that is not the true gospel!
The bible is not incomplete, people just have different opinions of what's important and what's required. The apostles were in fact itinerant preachers, and they didn't settle in one place, build a church building, and invent a name for it.. So in that respect, Workers believe they are spreading the gospel as prescribed in the new testament, and they believe that those who ignore the example of Christ and the apostles are in error of how the gospel was to be carried forth. And the fact is, for the first three centuries of the church, Christians typically met in homes.
I didn’t say the Bible is incomplete. The Apostles had homes. They travelled the world over but they had homes to come back to. When Jesus was taken by the chief priests, the Apostles scattered back to their homes. Jesus told John to take Mary home with him. Matthew 10, the chapter that the first workers used to set their ministry was a short commission. It was to be within Judea, only. And as was custom in that day, Judeans were hospitable to fellow Judeans that were traveling as by foot was the most method of traveling. In so much that great mileages couldn’t be covered in a day. If they got from one town to another they were doing good. Thus open homes were always there for the Judean traveler. It also was customary for a lot of the homes to have an upper room always prepared for guests, renting or otherwise. In the first two generations, the Christian converts still went to the temple and synagogues as per the law. That did not stop until after Nero and his mother killed many Christians, especially Jews in later first century and the destruction of the temple . After Nero started killing the Christians Jews, they scattered throughout the regions all around Italy and Israel. Thus just after Jesus was crucified, they met in homes for fear of the Jews that persecuted them, then they lived a number of years in a common enclave as in Acts sure the Lord was returning soon; then when Nero begin having so many killed the Apostles then dispersed throughout the earth as Jesus had instructed them in Matthew 28, the greater commission. Just recently archeologists have discovered Peter and Andrew’s home near Bethsaida close to the Sea of Galilee. There’d been modernizations of the upper room where the church had met for a number of centuries. Each modernization of course, dating the centuries the home that’d been turned into a church.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 27, 2019 10:21:42 GMT -5
The major problem you seem to think that is there is simply people relying on the Bible to lead them into all truths. However, just the other day, Bob W. Asked me if Id been to Catholic seminary. I could honestly say no, I had not! That I knew nothing about the Catholic religion and had no desire to. Then I admitted to Bob that Im not surprised that I’ve come away from studying the Bible with some observations that the Catholics have had, because, after all, they compiled the Bible. But then in studying further, the compilation of the Bible pretty closely matches other scriptures from Jesus’ Times as well as what I’ve heard Israeli Christians observe. And as the Jews have notably been considered foes by every nation at some time or other and yet their Christianity matches what the Israeli Christians say, one has to believe there is more then a smattering of truth in the common observations done by Catholics and by people like myself, that are found in the Bible. I feel it’s erroneous for me to waysay any observations commonly found in the Bible simply just to say I don’t believe like the Catholics is being adverse just to be different. I regret to say that I have found very few things taught and practised by the Catholic Church to be compatible with the King James Bible. However, that is just my opinion and experience. I said “observations “.
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Post by mountain on Sept 27, 2019 10:32:41 GMT -5
I regret to say that I have found very few things taught and practised by the Catholic Church to be compatible with the King James Bible. However, that is just my opinion and experience. I said “observations “. Are you saying that you agree with these observations, or that you disagree with them? In part, or in whole? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
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