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Jul 27, 2019 7:39:56 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jul 27, 2019 7:39:56 GMT -5
To be honest, I have never heard this in my 40+ years in the church. I am not saying others haven't, and, and if workers were preaching this somewhere, then they were on a very slipper slope, to say the least. So, now you have a transcript to READ it. Just because you didn't "hear it" is no excuse any longer - workers still teach that they are "the word made flesh" in whatever ambiguity they can achieve to cover up that very OLD 2x2 doctrine. Workers are indeed making themselves God.
I agree with you that the doctrine placed workers on a very slippery slope, and the doctrine can be traced right back to the first workers, including the founder. Of course transcript proof of their doctrine is a very recent production to put a dead stop on their dishonest DENIAL of what they have taught from the get go.There is always a need for the original source when available. Not long ago someone posted the following from a creationist site to support their argument: H. J. Mueller, who won the Nobel Prize for his work on mutations, said:
"It is entirely in line with the accidental nature of mutations that extensive tests have agreed in showing the vast majority of them detrimental to the organism in its job of surviving and reproducing— good ones are so rare we can consider them all bad" (Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists 11:331). It would be very credible support for the argument except that the quoted journal ( Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists) does not contain that paragraph. So desperate were the creationists for some scientific supporting data that they made it up. Anyone can create a space to share files on google drives. Even @gratu. Or use dropbox. Or any of the many file shraring services. Let @wally hear it for himself.
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Jul 27, 2019 7:45:19 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jul 27, 2019 7:45:19 GMT -5
Don't like it when on the receiving end as I have from you many a time. Don't forget you are not perfect like your lap companion. Just in case you think you have successfully diverted the thread off the testimony of two witnesses with your posts, you have failed -- workers have taught that they are Jesus come in the flesh historically and still teach it today.You could also say that workers have sexually abused children in the past and still do today. Some have. Some probably are. What does it prove? That all workers abuse children?
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Jul 27, 2019 7:54:36 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jul 27, 2019 7:54:36 GMT -5
Attn, ADMIN! Please address this issue forthwith!
Gene! Nothing is more offensive in my opinion than to be publicly ridiculed as a liar. That is what you have just done to a couple of us!
What you have just expressed is undoubtedly true for you. It is not true for me. Either retract your assertion or be prepared for its consequences! If you stand by your assertion this will be the very first time I have ever lost ALL respect for you.
The verses, I John 4:1-3, were those being used to justify that teaching. I can even remember where I first was taught it applied to me as a worker, thus proving we also came from God! This is not even disputable for me. Now please retract your so very unreasonable post. I CAN prove what I HAVE ASSERTED HERE!, when and where! (Olympia II convention, late 60’s) Surely you cannot. So who is off base here?
BTW, I AM VERY GLAD YOU WERE NOT SUBJECT TO THE TEACHING!
Sincerely,
Dennis Alan Jacobsen
Dennis you have stated there is a god.
Should I reprimand you for calling me a liar?
Seems like Gene is saying that, based on his experiences and understanding, he does not believe your claim.
Your proof to Gene is as verifiable as your proof to me, in the past, that there is a god.
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Jul 27, 2019 8:02:24 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jul 27, 2019 8:02:24 GMT -5
I have heard it all in my day. I have heard a few strange things spoken that most of you would swear that I was making it up. Without a unified doctrine this is inevitable. To claim what someone heard at sometime is universal is a difficult position to support.
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Jul 27, 2019 8:09:51 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jul 27, 2019 8:09:51 GMT -5
I also possess the audio record in mp3, in which the inflection of voice shows that the 'interpretation' (aka TRANSCRIPT) is what was meant - but posting mp3s seems impossible on this board. And due to such 'possible' denial of audio record in transcript by this very 'interpretation' suggestion, some have taken now to doing video records of workers sermons so as to see the body inflections that accompany the audio inflections.
But please, do feel welcome to continue beating the wind - that teaching is documented very solidly such that the record would stand as sound evidence in a court of law.. Posting a link to an MP3 file, like any other file type, is possible. Google Drive will allow the sharing of 15 GB for free.
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Jul 29, 2019 0:20:43 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Jul 29, 2019 0:20:43 GMT -5
"And I gratu, - I have a 9" x 12" metal box ..."
So scan all that evidence, do optical character recognition on the scan-images and post your evidence - I have posted plenty of the evidence in worker's words long ago.
repeat - And with this info provided, frankly I am done wasting my time on this thread. Why would I go to all that trouble to "scan" that material just to show you anything?
Besides I never said that you had never heard what you claim to have heard, -only that I had never heard or read it from any worker.
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Jul 29, 2019 0:42:18 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jul 29, 2019 0:42:18 GMT -5
"And I gratu, - I have a 9" x 12" metal box ..."
So scan all that evidence, do optical character recognition on the scan-images and post your evidence - I have posted plenty of the evidence in worker's words long ago.
repeat - And with this info provided, frankly I am done wasting my time on this thread. Paper is probably the safe way to preserve whatever it is you are preserving. Most recording media has a 1/ 2 life of less than 15 years...
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Jul 29, 2019 2:00:45 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Jul 29, 2019 2:00:45 GMT -5
"And I gratu, - I have a 9" x 12" metal box ..."
So scan all that evidence, do optical character recognition on the scan-images and post your evidence - I have posted plenty of the evidence in worker's words long ago.
repeat - And with this info provided, frankly I am done wasting my time on this thread. Paper is probably the safe way to preserve whatever it is you are preserving. Most recording media has a 1/ 2 life of less than 15 years... Thanks, Rational, -they have lasted for many years already. My son doesn't want me to get rid of them.
he might use some in an art project.
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Post by snow on Aug 8, 2019 9:41:57 GMT -5
No one ever said that gratu and Dennis never heard it. In fact they said they likely did hear it. What people did say was that it wasn't as universal as stated as many of us here never heard of it. It seems that there is no common doctrine in the F&W so it stands to reason that many things taught in one area or by some workers won't be taught in other areas or by other workers. Doesn't make anyone a liar. It just shows how little common experience is experienced in the 'Truth'.
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Aug 8, 2019 11:00:19 GMT -5
Post by rational on Aug 8, 2019 11:00:19 GMT -5
I also possess the audio record in mp3, in which the inflection of voice shows that the 'interpretation' (aka TRANSCRIPT) is what was meant - but posting mp3s seems impossible on this board. And due to such 'possible' denial of audio record in transcript by this very 'interpretation' suggestion, some have taken now to doing video records of workers sermons so as to see the body inflections that accompany the audio inflections.
But please, do feel welcome to continue beating the wind - that teaching is documented very solidly such that the record would stand as sound evidence in a court of law.. Posting a link to an MP3 file, like any other file type, is possible. Google Drive will allow the sharing of 15 GB for free. And yet, the MP3 recording has never appeared. I have a feeling perhaps it is just the wind. Words are easy, like the wind; Faithful friends are hard to find. The Passionate Pilgrim - Shakespeare?/Probably Barnfield
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