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you'll have to narrow it down to a specific page please i'm not gonna wade through 100 pages.... Sorry Wally - if you want to see it alone, you do your own homework - I have already done my job on this thread by quoting that specific statement above - in the PDF you can perform a digital search and find it yourself really easily but you may have to download that pdf before a digital search of it is made available to you in the actual PDF file. By the way, PDF files do not necessarily contain printed page numbers - (big smile) PDF files contain the entire text and graphics in exact copy of the digital source and only if printed page numbers are included in the source will they show up in the PDF file. In this case there are no page numbers, but each sermon has its own page, titled by the title given by workers' public advertisement, and each worker is on separate page in speaking order - you won't need to read much to come across the above quotation of that specific statement because it is in note form recorded and transcribed AFTER the workers' first subject, "Who Jesus is and his relationship to God." Now your homework has been made very easy for you hasn't it? But by your performance on this thread so far, I doubt that YOU will bother doing your own homework.i found it....in us too... its so small you could miss it....too bad those mp3's are not available it would help with the confirmation process to actually hear joe say that....and it is off base to say that....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 0:16:04 GMT -5
Wally, there is just no “maybe” about it. Why is my word not good enough for you? I don’t need this kind of crap! Yeah, just get over it! You guys reveal so much about yourselves by your inability to accept what another relates as true, here!
Other fine people have simply left the forum, rather than try to help people like you, i’m Thinking they were the wise ones.
Dennis i thought i was somewhat agreeing with you by using may have not to be confused with maybe.....color me surprised....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 0:18:57 GMT -5
To be honest, I have never heard this in my 40+ years in the church. I am not saying others haven't, and, and if workers were preaching this somewhere, then they were on a very slipper slope, to say the least. So, now you have a transcript to READ it. Just because you didn't "hear it" is no excuse any longer - workers still teach that they are "the word made flesh" in whatever ambiguity they can achieve to cover up that very OLD 2x2 doctrine. Workers are indeed making themselves God.
I agree with you that the doctrine placed workers on a very slippery slope, and the doctrine can be traced right back to the first workers, including the founder. Of course transcript proof of their doctrine is a very recent production to put a dead stop on their dishonest DENIAL of what they have taught from the get go.
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Post by Dennis J on Jul 25, 2019 0:20:00 GMT -5
Wally, there is just no “maybe” about it. Why is my word not good enough for you? I don’t need this kind of crap! Yeah, just get over it! You guys reveal so much about yourselves by your inability to accept what another relates as true, here!
Other fine people have simply left the forum, rather than try to help people like you, i’m Thinking they were the wise ones.
Dennis i thought i was somewhat agreeing with you by using may have not to be confused with maybe.....color me surprised.... OK Wally, thank you. However there still is no “may” involved here. DAJ
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Post by nathan on Jul 25, 2019 0:20:53 GMT -5
Just as a significant observation, that worker who said workers (or all 2x2s for that matter) are God manifest in the flesh is fortunate he made THAT claim in 1996, Lynden Washington - if he made THAT claim in the First Century, Jerusalem, he would have caused any workers that existed in that time be lined up for crucifixion beside Jesus for blasphemy, i.e.,making themselves God. It is no wonder the believing lady (stranger) immediately 'ran' out the door - as if being chased by a demon!!! This is so baloney! If the 2x2 current workers don't believe Jesus is God, then HOW can they believe and teach they are Jesus/God in the flesh? THINK about it.
The current workers and the friends are so confuse who is Jesus, and about the Godhead/Father and Holy Spirit. Most of their teachings on the Deity of Christ is only 50% correct, that Jesus is the Son of God. They need to pray and study this subject with much prayers and mediation. The early days 2x2 workers got it right on Jesus is God/NOT the Father but the Christ. Jesus is BOTH God/the Christ and Man. We 2x2 do worship the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit every Sunday morning meetings around the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 0:22:51 GMT -5
To be honest, I have never heard this in my 40+ years in the church. I am not saying others haven't, and, and if workers were preaching this somewhere, then they were on a very slipper slope, to say the least. So, now you have a transcript to READ it. Just because you didn't "hear it" is no excuse any longer - workers still teach that they are "the word made flesh" min whatever ambiguity they can achieve to cover up that very OLD 2x2 doctrine.actually its joe that said that is all we know....
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Just as a significant observation, that worker who said workers (or all 2x2s for that matter) are God manifest in the flesh is fortunate he made THAT claim in 1996, Lynden Washington - if he made THAT claim in the First Century, Jerusalem, he would have caused any workers that existed in that time be lined up for crucifixion beside Jesus for blasphemy, i.e.,making themselves God. It is no wonder the believing lady (stranger) immediately 'ran' out the door - as if being chased by a demon!!! This is so baloney! If the 2x2 current workers don't believe Jesus is God, then HOW can they believe and teach they are Jesus/God in the flesh? THINK about it. Ya, well for the one who has attempted to rewrite 2x2 historyonline for years on end, who cares WHAT you think is "baloney." (that is not a question)
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Post by speak on Jul 25, 2019 0:29:23 GMT -5
Wally, there is just no “maybe” about it. Why is my word not good enough for you? I don’t need this kind of crap! Yeah, just get over it! You guys reveal so much about yourselves by your inability to accept what another relates as true, here!
Other fine people have simply left the forum, rather than try to help people like you, i’m Thinking they were the wise ones.
Dennis And then there is your little lap companion who doesn't believe wally's word.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 25, 2019 0:30:18 GMT -5
So, now you have a transcript to READ it. Just because you didn't "hear it" is no excuse any longer - workers still teach that they are "the word made flesh" min whatever ambiguity they can achieve to cover up that very OLD 2x2 doctrine. actually its joe that said that is all we know.... If the workers start preaching that in my country, I will react appropriately. I will not react based on what some have done in other countries. When Willis Propp came to our country, I did not attend the convention meetings he spoke in. But the Canadian shenanigans did not stop me attending meetings he wasn't in. I was vocal about it at the time. That is how I roll.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 0:30:56 GMT -5
So, now you have a transcript to READ it. Just because you didn't "hear it" is no excuse any longer - workers still teach that they are "the word made flesh" min whatever ambiguity they can achieve to cover up that very OLD 2x2 doctrine. actually its joe that said that is all we know.... And now the testimony of Dennis and now the testimony of gratu - just how many would you like before you "HEAR" it. (that is not a question)
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Post by nathan on Jul 25, 2019 0:32:55 GMT -5
This is so baloney! If the 2x2 current workers don't believe Jesus is God, then HOW can they believe and teach they are Jesus/God in the flesh? THINK about it. Ya, well for the one who has attempted to rewrite 2x2 historyonline for years on end, who cares WHAT you think is "baloney." (that is not a question) I don't need to rewrite 2x2 history! I just study Cherie's website very carefully: John Long's Journal and Goodhand's writing about the early days of the 2x2, with a fine tooth comb for 15 yrs, and do some research on the 2x2 apostolic New Testament ministry and fellowship! through the centuries AND Wow! There is the answer BEFORE my eyes!
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actually its joe that said that is all we know.... And now the testimony of Dennis and now the testimony of gratu - just how many would you like before you "HEAR" it. (that is not a question)well more is always better....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 0:36:17 GMT -5
actually its joe that said that is all we know.... If the workers start preaching that in my country, I will react appropriately. I will not react based on what some have done in other countries. When Willis Propp came to our country, I did not attend the convention meetings he spoke in. But the Canadian shenanigans did not stop me attending meetings he wasn't in. I was vocal about it at the time. That is how I roll. i may have to agree with you...it would be a no no....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 0:37:40 GMT -5
Sorry Wally - if you want to see it alone, you do your own homework - I have already done my job on this thread by quoting that specific statement above - in the PDF you can perform a digital search and find it yourself really easily but you may have to download that pdf before a digital search of it is made available to you in the actual PDF file. By the way, PDF files do not necessarily contain printed page numbers - (big smile) PDF files contain the entire text and graphics in exact copy of the digital source and only if printed page numbers are included in the source will they show up in the PDF file. In this case there are no page numbers, but each sermon has its own page, titled by the title given by workers' public advertisement, and each worker is on separate page in speaking order - you won't need to read much to come across the above quotation of that specific statement because it is in note form recorded and transcribed AFTER the workers' first subject, "Who Jesus is and his relationship to God." Now your homework has been made very easy for you hasn't it? But by your performance on this thread so far, I doubt that YOU will bother doing your own homework. i found it....in us too... its so small you could miss it....too bad those mp3's are not available it would help with the confirmation process to actually hear joe say that....and it is off base to say that.... I am contacting the person who owns the Google Drive account to ask if the mp3 files can be included on that account. By the way, a few years after 1996, "Joe Lewis" disappeared from the workers' list - and I have not heard or read ANYTHING about his departure from the 2x2 work to this day. Maybe he WAS crucified 2x2 style for preaching what he was taught to preach, or maybe he too was (like I was) DRIVEN out of the 2x2 church by that doctrine along with the others that belong to Jesus ALONE.
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Post by Dennis J on Jul 25, 2019 0:40:26 GMT -5
Wally, there is just no “maybe” about it. Why is my word not good enough for you? I don’t need this kind of crap! Yeah, just get over it! You guys reveal so much about yourselves by your inability to accept what another relates as true, here!
Other fine people have simply left the forum, rather than try to help people like you, i’m Thinking they were the wise ones.
Dennis And then there is your little lap companion who doesn't believe wally's word. My two little lap companions (Dolly and Sophie) have nothing to do with it. Your attitude and spirit does. Save you sarcasm for those who appreciate it! I simply do not! DAJ
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Attn, ADMIN! Please address this issue forthwith!
Gene! Nothing is more offensive in my opinion than to be publicly ridiculed as a liar. That is what you have just done to a couple of us!
What you have just expressed is undoubtedly true for you. It is not true for me. Either retract your assertion or be prepared for its consequences! If you stand by your assertion this will be the very first time I have ever lost ALL respect for you.
The verses, I John 4:1-3, were those being used to justify that teaching. I can even remember where I first was taught it applied to me as a worker, thus proving we also came from God! This is not even disputable for me. Now please retract your so very unreasonable post. I CAN prove what I HAVE ASSERTED HERE!, when and where! (Olympia II convention, late 60’s) Surely you cannot. So who is off base here?
BTW, I AM VERY GLAD YOU WERE NOT SUBJECT TO THE TEACHING!
Sincerely,
Dennis Alan Jacobsen
Oh my goodness-the Drama Queen is at it again. He disagreed with you -so he must 'suffer the consequences'🤣🤣 If you cant handled being disagreed with you are in the wrong place. You should be just like anyone else on this board..no special treatment required...if you put something out there-be prepared to have someone disagree with it!! He actually did it quite mildly-not like the abuse some others are subject to on here.
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Post by Dennis J on Jul 25, 2019 0:57:12 GMT -5
Another current 2&2er heard from... How do you folks ever think to draw anyone back to your denomination with attitudes and spirits like yours?
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Post by janj on Jul 25, 2019 1:00:12 GMT -5
Another current 2&2er heard from... How do you folks ever think to draw anyone back to your denomination with attitudes and spirits like yours? Another 'ex' jumping to conclusions!!
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Ya, well for the one who has attempted to rewrite 2x2 historyonline for years on end, who cares WHAT you think is "baloney." (that is not a question) I don't need to rewrite 2x2 history! I just study Cherie's website very carefully: John Long's Journal and Goodhand's writing about the early days of the 2x2, with a fine tooth comb for 15 yrs, and do some research on the 2x2 apostolic New Testament ministry and fellowship! through the centuries AND Wow! There is the answer BEFORE my eyes! Nice try - this is just your rewrite of 2x2 history again - John Long was a believer before he met William Irvine and who became infatuated with William Irvine. And he attributed all kinds of biblical doctrines to William Irvine that do not match up with Irvine's own words. And John Long was CRUELLY publicly ridiculed and kicked out by William Irvine because Long refused to condemn publicly all other believers of church history. So your attempt to use John Long's Journal as Irvine's teachings is mixing apples with oranges in order to get peaches and cream - nothing more and nothing less than YOUR OWN interpretation of and rewrite of 2x2 history. Irvine yelled as he called believers "Calvary Ranters." And he demanded that his dupes preach that same venom against all believers or get kicked out by him -- after giving Irvine their whole estates to buy their way IN.
But you have been told this same thing so many times previously by all kinds of people online that it becomes obvious that you are BIASED in this regard and your dishonesty in online presentation also addressed by some pretty prominent Christians being simply ignored by you historically makes your word about as valuable as empty peanut shells today, to say NOTHING of your space Odyssey mixed into your own version of 2x2ism too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 1:42:54 GMT -5
Attn, ADMIN! Please address this issue forthwith!
Gene! Nothing is more offensive in my opinion than to be publicly ridiculed as a liar. That is what you have just done to a couple of us!
What you have just expressed is undoubtedly true for you. It is not true for me. Either retract your assertion or be prepared for its consequences! If you stand by your assertion this will be the very first time I have ever lost ALL respect for you.
The verses, I John 4:1-3, were those being used to justify that teaching. I can even remember where I first was taught it applied to me as a worker, thus proving we also came from God! This is not even disputable for me. Now please retract your so very unreasonable post. I CAN prove what I HAVE ASSERTED HERE!, when and where! (Olympia II convention, late 60’s) Surely you cannot. So who is off base here?
BTW, I AM VERY GLAD YOU WERE NOT SUBJECT TO THE TEACHING!
Sincerely,
Dennis Alan Jacobsen
Oh my goodness-the Drama Queen is at it again. He disagreed with you -so he must 'suffer the consequences'🤣🤣 If you cant handled being disagreed with you are in the wrong place. You should be just like anyone else on this board..no special treatment required...if you put something out there-be prepared to have someone disagree with it!! He actually did it quite mildly-not like the abuse some others are subject to on here. And who is your "Drama Queen"? very likely yourself in the mirror, projected onto your target. (this is not a question)
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Post by speak on Jul 25, 2019 1:43:56 GMT -5
And then there is your little lap companion who doesn't believe wally's word. My two little lap companions (Dolly and Sophie) have nothing to do with it. Your attitude and spirit does. Save you sarcasm for those who appreciate it! I simply do not! DAJ
Don't like it when on the receiving end as I have from you many a time. Don't forget you are not perfect like your lap companion.
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Post by nathan on Jul 25, 2019 1:48:27 GMT -5
I don't need to rewrite 2x2 history! I just study Cherie's website very carefully: John Long's Journal and Goodhand's writing about the early days of the 2x2, with a fine tooth comb for 15 yrs, and do some research on the 2x2 apostolic New Testament ministry and fellowship! through the centuries AND Wow! There is the answer BEFORE my eyes! Nice try - this is just your rewrite of 2x2 history again - John Long was a believer before he met William Irvine and who became infatuated with William Irvine. And he attributed all kinds of biblical doctrines to William Irvine that do not match up with Irvine's own words. And John Long was CRUELLY publicly ridiculed and kicked out by William Irvine because Long refused to condemn publicly all other believers of church history. So your attempt to use John Long's Journal as Irvine's teachings is mixing apples with oranges in order to get peaches and cream - nothing more and nothing less than YOUR OWN interpretation of and rewrite of 2x2 history. Irvine yelled as he called believers "Calvary Ranters." And he demanded that his dupes preach that same venom against all believers or get kicked out by him -- after giving Irvine their whole estates to buy their way IN.
But you have been told this same thing so many times previously by all kinds of people online that it becomes obvious that you are BIASED in this regard and your dishonesty in online presentation also addressed by some pretty prominent Christians being simply ignored by you historically makes your word about as valuable as empty peanut shells today, to say NOTHING of your space Odyssey mixed into your own version of 2x2ism too. Your understanding of 2x2 doctrines and history is so baloney and Pathetic! Like I told you before You jumped out of the FRYING pan/2x2 into the bigger MESS of FIRE! religious confusion 40,000 plus denominations and don't even KNOW it or understand it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 1:54:50 GMT -5
My two little lap companions (Dolly and Sophie) have nothing to do with it. Your attitude and spirit does. Save you sarcasm for those who appreciate it! I simply do not! DAJ
Don't like it when on the receiving end as I have from you many a time. Don't forget you are not perfect like your lap companion. Just in case you think you have successfully diverted the thread off the testimony of two witnesses with your posts, you have failed -- workers have taught that they are Jesus come in the flesh historically and still teach it today.
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Nice try - this is just your rewrite of 2x2 history again - John Long was a believer before he met William Irvine and who became infatuated with William Irvine. And he attributed all kinds of biblical doctrines to William Irvine that do not match up with Irvine's own words. And John Long was CRUELLY publicly ridiculed and kicked out by William Irvine because Long refused to condemn publicly all other believers of church history. So your attempt to use John Long's Journal as Irvine's teachings is mixing apples with oranges in order to get peaches and cream - nothing more and nothing less than YOUR OWN interpretation of and rewrite of 2x2 history. Irvine yelled as he called believers "Calvary Ranters." And he demanded that his dupes preach that same venom against all believers or get kicked out by him -- after giving Irvine their whole estates to buy their way IN.
But you have been told this same thing so many times previously by all kinds of people online that it becomes obvious that you are BIASED in this regard and your dishonesty in online presentation also addressed by some pretty prominent Christians being simply ignored by you historically makes your word about as valuable as empty peanut shells today, to say NOTHING of your space Odyssey mixed into your own version of 2x2ism too. Your understanding of 2x2 doctrines and history is so baloney and Pathetic! Like I told you before You jumped out of the FRYING pan/2x2 into the bigger MESS of FIRE! religious confusion 40,000 plus denominations and don't even KNOW it or understand it.
So, all you do is ignore your own online history AGAIN and continue to attempt to rewrite 2x2 history. Why don't you just hop into your spaceship and go for a trip way out there. Your posts are about as valuable as empty peanut shells and YOU have made it that way yourself online for years on end.
The workers have taught and still teach that they are the word made flesh.
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Post by speak on Jul 25, 2019 2:51:41 GMT -5
Don't like it when on the receiving end as I have from you many a time. Don't forget you are not perfect like your lap companion. Just in case you think you have successfully diverted the thread off the testimony of two witnesses with your posts, you have failed -- workers have taught that they are Jesus come in the flesh historically and still teach it today.And you think you are some kind know all in the flesh
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you have no idea how a forum works do you.... What does knowing how a forum works have to do with the testimony comtained in this thread with the sudden flood of denial of that testimony, Wally?
It seems YOU are just trying to divert from the testimony. Why not give us your view on the testimony - huh?
Edit - And here we go, the flood of 2x2 favorers trying to bury the testimony in diversion and now in RIDICULE (ad hominem) by speak (above post) I'll wait a bit to take second PDF copy for posterity - just so posterity can learn how forums work. gratu,
In answer to your post: "And here we go, the flood of 2x2 favorers trying to bury the testimony in diversion and now in RIDICULE (ad hominem) ….."
I am not "trying to bury any testimony," I was born & raised the 2x2's & am now 87 but I never heard workers ever say what you claim they said. Why can't you give us due respect for what WE say about WHAT we did or didn't hear about the natter?
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Post by speak on Jul 25, 2019 4:13:10 GMT -5
What does knowing how a forum works have to do with the testimony comtained in this thread with the sudden flood of denial of that testimony, Wally?
It seems YOU are just trying to divert from the testimony. Why not give us your view on the testimony - huh?
Edit - And here we go, the flood of 2x2 favorers trying to bury the testimony in diversion and now in RIDICULE (ad hominem) by speak (above post) I'll wait a bit to take second PDF copy for posterity - just so posterity can learn how forums work. gratu,
In answer to your post: "And here we go, the flood of 2x2 favorers trying to bury the testimony in diversion and now in RIDICULE (ad hominem) ….."
I am not "trying to bury any testimony," I was born & raised the 2x2's & am now 87 but I never heard workers ever say what you claim they said. Why can't you give us due respect for what WE say about WHAT we did or didn't hear about the natter?
Because he's a know all and perfect, nobody else can be right.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 25, 2019 4:20:56 GMT -5
Your understanding of 2x2 doctrines and history is so baloney and Pathetic! Like I told you before You jumped out of the FRYING pan/2x2 into the bigger MESS of FIRE! religious confusion 40,000 plus denominations and don't even KNOW it or understand it.
So, all you do is ignore your own online history AGAIN and continue to attempt to rewrite 2x2 history. Why don't you just hop into your spaceship and go for a trip way out there. Your posts are about as valuable as empty peanut shells and YOU have made it that way yourself online for years on end.
The workers have taught and still teach that they are the word made flesh.Have never heard that in our country in 50 plus years of listening and 40+ years of professing. The church might be international, but contrary to the ideals of some, not everything is universally preached.
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