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Post by Get off of TMB on Jul 25, 2019 14:55:35 GMT -5
I don't discount anyone's account of what they heard preached in a meeting or convention. In my life, I have heard a wide array of preaching. At the same time, I have heard it said that there are no contradictions from the platform.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 25, 2019 15:00:38 GMT -5
"Your statement is not true, " - I won't type that alias with my inclination to typos and spelling errors.
Foe your information, the testimony on page one WAS given in a court of law and it was not thrown out or stricken from the court record. So your opinion sadly lacks knowledge of actual court cases that involved 2x2s.
Edit - That court disallowed "religious" testimony at a lower court, which SILENCED the lawyer for plaintiff and therefore the case got raised to the highest court where case specific religious influences affecting the case were (perhaps reluctantly) accepted into evidence.
Edit 2 -If you like I will tell you which court to apply to to obtain its hundreds of pages of court transcript at $2.50 per page. But some of those court transcripts are posted on this board in the "To 2x2 With Love3" thread through the link in its opening post
And with this info provided, frankly I am done wasting my time on this thread. Gratu, your statement:
" testimony on page one WAS given in a court of law and it was not thrown out or stricken from the court record."
WHAT "testimony?" I couldn't find it.
The "testimony" of "specific religious influences affecting the case" of the one who was personally affected would NOT be Hearsay!
PS: "I am done wasting my time on this thread. " is the usual escape way out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 15:30:51 GMT -5
thats what i thought....you don't have anything but the two examples....back to ASSuming i guess.... And THAT is obvious - too lazy to go check it out for yourself. The two testimonies on this thread would be accepted evidence in a court of law, but not by YOU due to YOUR laziness to see for yourself. For your information, since I indicated where you could easily check it out for yourself, I opened the file and listed twenty statements by workers within 2 minutes that portray their belief that they are the word made flesh - of course, HIGH ABOVE all their followers.yeah right....only 980+ more to go....
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Post by speak on Jul 25, 2019 15:33:32 GMT -5
And now, for bonus points, here's a question for Gratu, Dennis and any other Christian who cares to answer: As a born-again Christian, do you believe that God is manifested in you? Yes
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Post by Grant on Jul 25, 2019 15:41:42 GMT -5
The workers preach that Jesus is our older brother so I guess it wouldn't seem to far off to say they believe they were his equal.
Don't remember but do remember them saying they are continuing the work he started.
The word made flesh can have different meanings to different people. They likely do believe they are bringing the word of God in the flesh. Not meaning that they are Jesus though.
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Post by speak on Jul 25, 2019 15:47:03 GMT -5
** WOW! The workers are Jesus in the FLESH? Jesus was tempted in ALL POINTS, yet without sin. Can any worker that you KNOW say they have no sin in their his/her life? If they Can't say they are perfect like Jesus then how can they say, believe and TEACH that They are Jesus in the FLESH? Come on you two! The workers do not believe The “Word” is Jesus. They believe that which is called the Word is God or a God’s Word. And they believe that they are the Word manifested in the flesh or more clearly stated is that they believe they are God’s Word manifested in the flesh. The workers have NO idea what they’re truly saying but think they do know that they are living Gods Word. It’s because they are very short on understanding who Jesus WAS before he came to earth in the form of Mary’s baby. They don’t believe Jesus was living with the Father before he came to earth. Why do you tell a lie? The workers do believe that Jesus is the word or the word is Jesus and i have heard many a time this verse spoken on 14 John And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. You know people like you who blatantly forward lies and make them true really gets my goat. I could post on here may a convention testimony sermon, Gosp meeting and I myself saying what you have said we don't say. So I don't know where you get this dumb idea from, maybe it's satan pushing your buttons who knows, but it's far from me why one who professes to be a Christian tells such blatant untruths.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jul 25, 2019 16:06:05 GMT -5
Come on you two! The workers do not believe The “Word” is Jesus. They believe that which is called the Word is God or a God’s Word. And they believe that they are the Word manifested in the flesh or more clearly stated is that they believe they are God’s Word manifested in the flesh. The workers have NO idea what they’re truly saying but think they do know that they are living Gods Word. It’s because they are very short on understanding who Jesus WAS before he came to earth in the form of Mary’s baby. They don’t believe Jesus was living with the Father before he came to earth. Why do you tell a lie? The workers do believe that Jesus is the word or the word is Jesus and i have heard many a time this verse spoken on 14 John And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. You know people like you who blatantly forward lies and make them true really gets my goat. I could post on here may a convention testimony sermon, Gosp meeting and I myself saying what you have said we don't say. So I don't know where you get this dumb idea from, maybe it's satan pushing your buttons who knows, but it's far from me why one who professes to be a Christian tells such blatant untruths. It is not an untruth! I’ve heard workers say that in John’s gospel , verse 1 of chapter 1 is Not talking about Jesus as the Word. The workers have plainly refuted any biblical evidence that Jesus is God. They preach he was a perfect human while on earth. And that if he is was so can anyone else. Some have said he didn’t become divine until after his death. I spoke maybe in too much generalization that understanding all said such, but of course, I don’t know that. That’s understood. The workers I’ve known and heard have completely denied Jesus is God. You’ve just said I have Satan, that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit! To a New Zealandrr worker’s credit, he preached about John 1:1 and said the Word is Jesus. He went on to say Jesus was half God and half man. Though many that heard him were totally confused about what he was talking about. They’d never heard John’s gospel preached that way! That is no lie. I couldn’t fault him with the half God and half man because I’d never heard anything but Jesus was a perfect man. He at least made John’s gospel to begin to make sense!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jul 25, 2019 16:14:52 GMT -5
Come on you two! The workers do not believe The “Word” is Jesus. They believe that which is called the Word is God or a God’s Word. And they believe that they are the Word manifested in the flesh or more clearly stated is that they believe they are God’s Word manifested in the flesh. The workers have NO idea what they’re truly saying but think they do know that they are living Gods Word. It’s because they are very short on understanding who Jesus WAS before he came to earth in the form of Mary’s baby. They don’t believe Jesus was living with the Father before he came to earth. This is a great example of how the ambiguity of workers covers up their blasphemy - on this thread there are two testimonies to being taught by workers that they are the word made flesh, not the word of God made flesh.
Edit - One worker is quoted saying that it is by the "power" of workers that people are saved. Workers from the founder onward have claimed that they copy the life of Jesus - they have long believed and taught that workers are messiahs in place of the only Messiah - while He is supposedly absent.I’m trying to say they aren’t intentionally committing blasphemy. It’s just someone who’s said something and others have taken it and perpetuated it. Very much like young Joseph Kerr’s living witness theory. It sounded unique and different to other churches and before time got through the door at that convention it was a winner for all the workers.
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Post by snow on Jul 25, 2019 16:51:14 GMT -5
Well, Dennis, the evidence now coming rapid-fire on this thread resembles the 'angry' denials I got from workers - even one who doesn't believe God exists is doing the most pounding on denial - BIG SMILE.
Some will never give up denying what WE BOTH WERE TAUGHT BY WORKERS. And both of us heard them teaching us for YEARS, not just by one transcript. The doctrine is THAT important that former 2x2s have no choice if they like 2x2 doctrines but to DENY those of this type until hell freezes over.
So, my friend, when their haze is completely fogging the facts in this thread, I will take PDF copy of this thread for storage for the benefit of posterity. THAT is the vivid importance of YOUR testimony regarding this particular teaching, Dennis - and a very special thank you for that TESTIMONY at this time. Your TESTIMONY will survive you Dennis.
Gratu, you post a lot like Dennis. Are you mimicking his style?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jul 25, 2019 17:01:06 GMT -5
Well, Dennis, the evidence now coming rapid-fire on this thread resembles the 'angry' denials I got from workers - even one who doesn't believe God exists is doing the most pounding on denial - BIG SMILE.
Some will never give up denying what WE BOTH WERE TAUGHT BY WORKERS. And both of us heard them teaching us for YEARS, not just by one transcript. The doctrine is THAT important that former 2x2s have no choice if they like 2x2 doctrines but to DENY those of this type until hell freezes over.
So, my friend, when their haze is completely fogging the facts in this thread, I will take PDF copy of this thread for storage for the benefit of posterity. THAT is the vivid importance of YOUR testimony regarding this particular teaching, Dennis - and a very special thank you for that TESTIMONY at this time. Your TESTIMONY will survive you Dennis.
Gratu, you post a lot like Dennis. Are you mimicking his style? It seems he’s doing that so Dennis can read it. He hasn’t thought about Dennis’ computer automatically sizing it up to Dennis’ needs.
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Post by snow on Jul 25, 2019 17:04:47 GMT -5
What does knowing how a forum works have to do with the testimony comtained in this thread with the sudden flood of denial of that testimony, Wally?
It seems YOU are just trying to divert from the testimony. Why not give us your view on the testimony - huh?
Edit - And here we go, the flood of 2x2 favorers trying to bury the testimony in diversion and now in RIDICULE (ad hominem) by speak (above post) I'll wait a bit to take second PDF copy for posterity - just so posterity can learn how forums work. gratu,
In answer to your post: "And here we go, the flood of 2x2 favorers trying to bury the testimony in diversion and now in RIDICULE (ad hominem) ….."
I am not "trying to bury any testimony," I was born & raised the 2x2's & am now 87 but I never heard workers ever say what you claim they said. Why can't you give us due respect for what WE say about WHAT we did or didn't hear about the natter?
It seems as though only THEY can be right. NO one else's experience is legitimate. I never heard it either. So if so many of us didn't hear it, it couldn't have been a very universal belief in the first place. I'm not saying that it was never said and that Dennis never heard it. I'm sure he likely did. But what I am saying is that it was a very limited belief by some of the workers that he had contact with. Gene should be allowed to talk of his experience and not be asked to 'suffer the consequences' for stating what his experience was. This is a forum where we all answer based on our experiences.
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Post by snow on Jul 25, 2019 17:06:07 GMT -5
Gratu, you post a lot like Dennis. Are you mimicking his style? It seems he’s doing that so Dennis can read it. He hasn’t thought about Dennis’ computer automatically sizing it up to Dennis’ needs. Not just the big print. But he has started having 'big smile' or 'sad smile' which is very like Dennis does when he has an emoticon but doesn't post it as one. So why is he mimicking Dennis I wonder?
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Post by Gene on Jul 25, 2019 17:42:07 GMT -5
And now, for bonus points, here's a question for Gratu, Dennis and any other Christian who cares to answer: As a born-again Christian, do you believe that God is manifested in you?
2 Corinthians 4:11
"For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh."
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Post by speak on Jul 25, 2019 18:29:58 GMT -5
It seems he’s doing that so Dennis can read it. He hasn’t thought about Dennis’ computer automatically sizing it up to Dennis’ needs. Not just the big print. But he has started having 'big smile' or 'sad smile' which is very like Dennis does when he has an emoticon but doesn't post it as one. So why is he mimicking Dennis I wonder? Or is he one and the same
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Post by speak on Jul 25, 2019 18:30:54 GMT -5
It seems he’s doing that so Dennis can read it. He hasn’t thought about Dennis’ computer automatically sizing it up to Dennis’ needs. Not just the big print. But he has started having 'big smile' or 'sad smile' which is very like Dennis does when he has an emoticon but doesn't post it as one. So why is he mimicking Dennis I wonder? Or could it be that he is learning from his master well
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 19:01:22 GMT -5
Snow -
“It seems as though only THEY can be right. NO one else's experience is legitimate. I never heard it either. So if so many of us didn't hear it, it couldn't have been a very universal belief in the first place. I'm not saying that it was never said and that Dennis never heard it. I'm sure he likely did. But what I am saying is that it was a very limited belief by some of the workers that he had contact with. Gene should be allowed to talk of his experience and not be asked to 'suffer the consequences' for stating what his experience was. This is a forum where we all answer based on our experiences.”
Since Dennis and I testified to having been taught by workers that they are the word (or in Dennis' case, “Jesus”) come in the flesh, this thread has already gone over three pages in vehement denial of what the two of us testified to – just who is it that has to have it their way regardless of two testimonies to the contrary. (that is not a question) In my time as a very young forced meeting attender the teaching was COMMON in meetings I attended. And that says nothing of the other teachings that workers preached backing that idea. Here here is its starting point - William Irvine.
Irvine claimed conversion under the teachings of John McNeil at Motherwell Town Hall. The message was “Believe on Jesus and thou shalt be saved” which is only a pinch of the full gospel (with His death for our sins, His burial and his resurrection missing from it). Irvine was taught that Jesus was the “model” for all Christians – that was the common teaching of Irvine's time in many churches all over this planet. And it is therefore no surprise that Irvine set out to copy his “model” Jesus.
All of Irvine's preachers of his new 2x2 sect came from other churches having heard the same partial gospel. (by the way as a “model” or “pattern” Jesus did not go out preaching 2x2 – Irvine's first abandonment of his pattern preacher, Jesus) No doubt Irvine's db level and mine-boss management of them through ridicule and or booting them out taught the surviving ones to preach in if not word for word Irvine sermons (just to survive) very much in accord with Irvine's absolute rule over them. And remember, each one of them had given Irvine their whole estate, so to get booted put them on the street with NOTHING whatsoever.
Cooney began allowing none-preaching members early in his workerhood in spite of Irvine's rule to the contrary – probably getting away with it due to his abundant popularity nand the fortune he gave to Irvine – and all of a sudden homeless preachers had homes again; free board and lodgings whoopee. And it still took until 1908 for Irvine to sanction the addition of “meetings in homes” to his former “homeless preachers” gospel.
One of the best in depth studies of the beginnings is posted on this board, a very large PDF file called William Irvine Religious Environment – through the link in the opening post of “To 2x2s With Love3.”
The doctrine taught Dennis and I was common in our early years – obviously in our locations, and since then has been masked in ambiguity for obvious reasons. Neither of us are saying that those who claim they never heard the specific claim as the word made flesh are wrong or telling stories – the doctrine was MASKED in ambiguity but remains as has been shown in transcript and lots of quotations of workers MASKING it.
But the fact remains before you all, Dennis and I were taught by workers that they are the word made flesh. And no 'I never heard that' claims will change what we were taught. I have little doubt that Dennis was booted cruelly on fabricated charges to MASK the fact that he began preaching other than what he had been taught (the real reason). With me, I walked (rather ran) out on my own accord BEFORE they got the chance to pile the 2x2 gossip upon my name to force me out.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Jul 25, 2019 19:41:49 GMT -5
I have heard it all in my day. I have heard a few strange things spoken that most of you would swear that I was making it up.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Jul 25, 2019 19:49:19 GMT -5
Can't we disagree without personal attacks? I am getting annoyed with people accusing others of lying. Stop it, folks.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jul 25, 2019 19:49:57 GMT -5
I have heard it all in my day. I have heard a few strange things spoken that most of you would swear that I was making it up. I agree! Be careful they say that Satan makes you say such things! That really isn’t much difference then when the scribes and Pharisees said Jesus was casting out demons because he had Beelzebub. And he had the Holy Spirit without measure. And Jesus said they done blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.
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Post by Dennis J on Jul 25, 2019 20:03:39 GMT -5
Thank you, Gratu.
FOR ANY RECORD!
Declining, when asked, to be admin in this forum when it resulted at the end of another similar forum, I did become a member. In doing so, it was my expressed desire to consider everyone posting here as not only my friend, but like a brother, or sister. Now, rethinking that, I know it just is not possible as I read a number of you posting falsehoods as “fact.”
Being attacked and accused of being a “drama queen,” I now conclude it is time for it to end, and for me to follow the example of others I have respected in leaving this forum. If any of you know yourself completely innocent of this “crap heaping,” please understand this has not been written to address you. My numerous mini strokes have made it impossible for me to emotionally cope taking the abuse constantly being heaped upon me here. This does not include the number of kind ones who have not entered into this forums pecking order.
So, it is time for me to just say “adjur” and end posting here, also! Admin has repeatedly asked me to remain here which is one of the reasons I have done so.
I am nearly 77 years old, have paid a great price in standing true to my God and convictions of and regarding Him! Alan, I greatly respect you and your belief in our God also. Gratu, thank YOU for defending me by expressing your proof of the teaching I first heard in the Late 60’s and sought to realign with what I perceived true! I know my scholastic record since has proven I was not practicing selective hearing. Now, enough is enough!
Hasta la vista!
Most sincerely,
Dennis Alan Jacobsen
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Post by fixit on Jul 25, 2019 20:56:26 GMT -5
So sorry to see you do this Dennis - but YOUR HEALTH must come first. I suggest that before you delete your registry if that is your intention, FIRST delete your email address for your own privacy sake, not to mention the open door it provides for you to continue to be abused by those prone to doing so on this board. Alternately, you have the tools in gmail to block any sender who violates your privacy - so if the attack squad on here should use you email address to continue their 'fun' as soon as you recognize any such in your inbox, got to settings and past its source address into a block of that address.
But I still suggest you delete your email address because there are hackers who love using, collecting and selling email addresses. Attack squad on here? I haven't noticed anyone who would be disrespectful to Denis.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 25, 2019 21:08:51 GMT -5
So sorry to see you do this Dennis - but YOUR HEALTH must come first. I suggest that before you delete your registry if that is your intention, FIRST delete your email address for your own privacy sake, not to mention the open door it provides for you to continue to be abused by those prone to doing so on this board. Alternately, you have the tools in gmail to block any sender who violates your privacy - so if the attack squad on here should use you email address to continue their 'fun' as soon as you recognize any such in your inbox, got to settings and past its source address into a block of that address.
But I still suggest you delete your email address because there are hackers who love using, collecting and selling email addresses. You need not worry about Dennis.
After all Dennis was the one that attacked Gene. Not Gene or anyone else attacked Dennis.
Here is Dennis's post: (in case you forgot) "Attn, ADMIN! Please address this issue forthwith!
Gene! Nothing is more offensive in my opinion than to be publicly ridiculed as a liar. That is what you have just done to a couple of us!
What you have just expressed is undoubtedly true for you. It is not true for me. Either retract your assertion or be prepared for its consequences! If you stand by your assertion this will be the very first time I have ever lost ALL respect for you."
Dennis does this kind of thing from time to time. Then he gets upset if someone calls HIM to task!
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Post by nathan on Jul 25, 2019 21:30:14 GMT -5
So sorry to see you do this Dennis - but YOUR HEALTH must come first. I suggest that before you delete your registry if that is your intention, FIRST delete your email address for your own privacy sake, not to mention the open door it provides for you to continue to be abused by those prone to doing so on this board. Alternately, you have the tools in gmail to block any sender who violates your privacy - so if the attack squad on here should use you email address to continue their 'fun' as soon as you recognize any such in your inbox, got to settings and past its source address into a block of that address.
But I still suggest you delete your email address because there are hackers who love using, collecting and selling email addresses. Attack squad on here? I haven't noticed anyone who would be disrespectful to Denis. ** For years it seems Dennis can't handle when people disagree with him that he gets so upset and goes ballistic and attacks the persons. If you agree with what he posted then you are his friends until you diagree/ cross. Dennis must learn to let the negative remarks roll off like the water rolls off the ducks back to keep his sanity on TMB. IF he doesn't it can put a lot of stress on his nerves and give him strokes. Take care, Dennis. Thanks, for all you have shared through the yrs.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 25, 2019 23:45:59 GMT -5
Please people - just breathe through the nose, and sip the Kool Aid.
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Post by speak on Jul 26, 2019 3:37:32 GMT -5
Please people - just breathe through the nose, and sip the Kool Aid. Kool aid? Beer
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Again, with no official doctrines, you get a wide array of beliefs. There are a couple confounding factors as well. Individual workers have different beliefs about who they are, and how far their Authority reaches. Likewise, the members have different ideas about the authority of the workers, and how far are their Authority should be taking.
So imagine three workers speak at convention. The first worker believes that he or she is called to seek lost souls, and has the attitude of humility and of service. This worker preaches from the Gospels and includes observations or lessons that he or she has taken from them that they think might be helpful. But this person doesn't claim any special insight into the scriptures above anyone else. I know many workers who have this attitude, and many former workers who are of this mind as well. Very interested in The lost world, and very interested in being useful in the fellowship.
Worker B believes that the position of worker elevates him or her above other people. This worker doesn't necessarily think themselves special, but holds the place of worker as a place of authority and privileged right. This individual is very careful about what he/she says, because if it comes "from the platform", and thus has the authority of God behind it. Sad about the lost world, but sees the responsibilities of the workers more as shepherding the Saints.
The third believes he or she is a special, True servant. Deserving of special treatment, respect and honor. Not quite as careful in speech, willing to elevate him/herself, eager to condemn the false preachers, churches and world, and delighting in ways to 'set people straight' in the fellowship. For them, the line between Jesus In the Flesh and themselves is fairly blurry. Polished speaker, not interested in the world, not terribly interested in the Saints, very interested in the T/truth and God's Kingdom on Earth.
Now, imagine that each of these are speaking to a group of people whose attitudes range from "just opinions of the workers", to "literally every word I hear from the platform is inspired and divine." Is it anyone's surprised that there are going to be a variety of competing beliefs?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jul 26, 2019 10:29:44 GMT -5
Again, with no official doctrines, you get a wide array of beliefs. There are a couple confounding factors as well. Individual workers have different beliefs about who they are, and how far their Authority reaches. Likewise, the members have different ideas about the authority of the workers, and how far are their Authority should be taking. So imagine three workers speak at convention. The first worker believes that he or she is called to seek lost souls, and has the attitude of humility and of service. This worker preaches from the Gospels and includes observations or lessons that he or she has taken from them that they think might be helpful. But this person doesn't claim any special insight into the scriptures above anyone else. I know many workers who have this attitude, and many former workers who are of this mind as well. Very interested in The lost world, and very interested in being useful in the fellowship. Worker B believes that the position of worker elevates him or her above other people. This worker doesn't necessarily think themselves special, but holds the place of worker as a place of authority and privileged right. This individual is very careful about what he/she says, because if it comes "from the platform", and thus has the authority of God behind it. Sad about the lost world, but sees the responsibilities of the workers more as shepherding the Saints. The third believes he or she is a special, True servant. Deserving of special treatment, respect and honor. Not quite as careful in speech, willing to elevate him/herself, eager to condemn the false preachers, churches and world, and delighting in ways to 'set people straight' in the fellowship. For them, the line between Jesus In the Flesh and themselves is fairly blurry. Polished speaker, not interested in the world, not terribly interested in the Saints, very interested in the T/truth and God's Kingdom on Earth. Now, imagine that each of these are speaking to a group of people whose attitudes range from "just opinions of the workers", to "literally every word I hear from the platform is inspired and divine." Is it anyone's surprised that there are going to be a variety of competing beliefs? Pretty close to hitting it on the head! Thanks!
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Again, with no official doctrines, you get a wide array of beliefs. There are a couple confounding factors as well. Individual workers have different beliefs about who they are, and how far their Authority reaches. Likewise, the members have different ideas about the authority of the workers, and how far are their Authority should be taking. So imagine three workers speak at convention. The first worker believes that he or she is called to seek lost souls, and has the attitude of humility and of service. This worker preaches from the Gospels and includes observations or lessons that he or she has taken from them that they think might be helpful. But this person doesn't claim any special insight into the scriptures above anyone else. I know many workers who have this attitude, and many former workers who are of this mind as well. Very interested in The lost world, and very interested in being useful in the fellowship. Worker B believes that the position of worker elevates him or her above other people. This worker doesn't necessarily think themselves special, but holds the place of worker as a place of authority and privileged right. This individual is very careful about what he/she says, because if it comes "from the platform", and thus has the authority of God behind it. Sad about the lost world, but sees the responsibilities of the workers more as shepherding the Saints. The third believes he or she is a special, True servant. Deserving of special treatment, respect and honor. Not quite as careful in speech, willing to elevate him/herself, eager to condemn the false preachers, churches and world, and delighting in ways to 'set people straight' in the fellowship. For them, the line between Jesus In the Flesh and themselves is fairly blurry. Polished speaker, not interested in the world, not terribly interested in the Saints, very interested in the T/truth and God's Kingdom on Earth. Now, imagine that each of these are speaking to a group of people whose attitudes range from "just opinions of the workers", to "literally every word I hear from the platform is inspired and divine." Is it anyone's surprised that there are going to be a variety of competing beliefs? Good hypothetical - this is most often the case in fact - BUT, then let's extend that hypothetical into the reality that those three very different hypothetical workers all later preach that they hear the "same message the world over, see the same spirit the world over, all the samie, all the samie, etc. etc. etc." - something doesn't fit - right?
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