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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 24, 2019 2:21:29 GMT -5
I am perfectly in my right to say it happens the other way around too. No need to get upset by that. If it's written on a public board it's for anyone to comment. I have spoken out about how Nathan condemns people who do not believe as he does and athiests. I don't see Snow or anyone else getting "upset" about your saying this: "it happens the other way around too."
You also said this: "There's enough ridicule on this board from atheists about those who believe. Trying to make out theists are less than intelligent, believe in fairy tales and so on and this is only a board."
You have a right to say whatever your want but I think it was the last part of your statement that Snow was answering not the first part.
I can't speak for all atheists, of course, - but I don't believe most of us here on this board have "ridiculed" theists nearly to the degree that theists have lambasted we atheists.
One thing I am very glad for in the our country is that we all do have a right to freedom of religion including "freedom from religion."
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 24, 2019 9:03:30 GMT -5
Also it’s just as traumatic when one leaves an only way Church but not Christ belief. Fact is, quitting because you no longer believe in God, is sometimes easier because you’re not being judgmental against the church per se plus your family thinks oh well they’ll be back because they never embraced another belief or church. But 2x2s take it and make it a sure sign you’re going to hell if you change churches! STR. How can you possibly know that it would have been "easier" for those of us who left because we "no longer believe in God?"
Not having been in our shoes, but in fact you have held on to a belief that had always been comforting to you, -you can't possibly know what we went through! I’ve heard the 2x2s say that when ex2x2s leave and claim no belief or go to no other church are better off. They are denying any other church in their behaviors and they’ll eventually return to the 2x2s. I’ve also witnessed the treatment of said such exes. I’m not saying for the ex 2x2 internally that it’s easier I’m talking about the persecution against exes that go to other faiths or churches in comparison by 2x2s.. It’s just something Ive noticed all my life.
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Post by Grant on Oct 24, 2019 10:05:46 GMT -5
Yes, that was my experience too. It was better to leave and not go anywhere than to go to another church.
Better to go out into 'the world'. Going to another church was like we were being a traitor. The enemy seemed to be another church. They talked about people having gone religious. The world was not seen as a threat like going to another church was.
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Post by snow on Oct 24, 2019 11:08:50 GMT -5
STR. How can you possibly know that it would have been "easier" for those of us who left because we "no longer believe in God?"
Not having been in our shoes, but in fact you have held on to a belief that had always been comforting to you, -you can't possibly know what we went through! I’ve heard the 2x2s say that when ex2x2s leave and claim no belief or go to no other church are better off. They are denying any other church in their behaviors and they’ll eventually return to the 2x2s. I’ve also witnessed the treatment of said such exes. I’m not saying for the ex 2x2 internally that it’s easier I’m talking about the persecution against exes that go to other faiths or churches in comparison by 2x2s.. It’s just something Ive noticed all my life. That's interesting. When I quit professing of course I still had to attend until I left home. But after that I never joined another church. I had a tough time of it while I still lived at home and had to attend I know that. But after I left home they seemed to accept me easier. Interesting. Maybe it is the fact that you still believe but just are rejecting their version of belief?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 24, 2019 12:51:11 GMT -5
I’ve heard the 2x2s say that when ex2x2s leave and claim no belief or go to no other church are better off. They are denying any other church in their behaviors and they’ll eventually return to the 2x2s. I’ve also witnessed the treatment of said such exes. I’m not saying for the ex 2x2 internally that it’s easier I’m talking about the persecution against exes that go to other faiths or churches in comparison by 2x2s.. It’s just something Ive noticed all my life. That's interesting. When I quit professing of course I still had to attend until I left home. But after that I never joined another church. I had a tough time of it while I still lived at home and had to attend I know that. But after I left home they seemed to accept me easier. Interesting. Maybe it is the fact that you still believe but just are rejecting their version of belief? They feel like you’ve judged them and found them less then desirable! They see it as putting them down, not as someone who has the right to chose or not chose what to believe It worship. So they react with bitter shunning and nasty gossip about you one with another. Now I need to clarify, not all 2x2s do that and it used to be worse then it is now.
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Post by snow on Oct 25, 2019 12:43:57 GMT -5
That's interesting. When I quit professing of course I still had to attend until I left home. But after that I never joined another church. I had a tough time of it while I still lived at home and had to attend I know that. But after I left home they seemed to accept me easier. Interesting. Maybe it is the fact that you still believe but just are rejecting their version of belief? They feel like you’ve judged them and found them less then desirable! They see it as putting them down, not as someone who has the right to chose or not chose what to believe It worship. So they react with bitter shunning and nasty gossip about you one with another. Now I need to clarify, not all 2x2s do that and it used to be worse then it is now. Well I think it's safe to say there will always be those who are far more critical of anyone leaving. At least that was my experience. But I also had really good people that stuck by me, included me in things etc. I think over time they realized it wasn't them I was rejecting because throughout life while my parents were still alive and I had contact with the friends, many seemed to come around and were quite friendly. At my parents funerals I was treated with upmost respect and how much of that was for my parents I don't know, but I had no complaints whatsoever about how I was received at either funeral and I was asked by the workers to have some input into what they said at their funerals. I also spent the last night by my mom's bedside and one of the younger workers came in to see mom and when he saw me sitting in a wooden chair he asked if I was spending the night in that. I said yes, I was staying. He went away and came back carrying a recliner and set it there for me so I would be more comfortable. So my experience after I left home was quite different than when I was still at home. It was quite tough while I still lived at home, and after that I had a good relationship with many. The friends helped me clean out my parents home and so many more really helpful things that I appreciated so much.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 25, 2019 15:33:09 GMT -5
They feel like you’ve judged them and found them less then desirable! They see it as putting them down, not as someone who has the right to chose or not chose what to believe It worship. So they react with bitter shunning and nasty gossip about you one with another. Now I need to clarify, not all 2x2s do that and it used to be worse then it is now. Well I think it's safe to say there will always be those who are far more critical of anyone leaving. At least that was my experience. But I also had really good people that stuck by me, included me in things etc. I think over time they realized it wasn't them I was rejecting because throughout life while my parents were still alive and I had contact with the friends, many seemed to come around and were quite friendly. At my parents funerals I was treated with upmost respect and how much of that was for my parents I don't know, but I had no complaints whatsoever about how I was received at either funeral and I was asked by the workers to have some input into what they said at their funerals. I also spent the last night by my mom's bedside and one of the younger workers came in to see mom and when he saw me sitting in a wooden chair he asked if I was spending the night in that. I said yes, I was staying. He went away and came back carrying a recliner and set it there for me so I would be more comfortable. So my experience after I left home was quite different than when I was still at home. It was quite tough while I still lived at home, and after that I had a good relationship with many. The friends helped me clean out my parents home and so many more really helpful things that I appreciated so much. Your parents were still professing? Though mom was professing the workers didn’t avail themselves to see how I was doing at all! They slipped in to see her early in admission to hospital, but after she went into a coma I didn’t see hide nor hair. My professing sister came the very last day she lived very huffily and begrudgingly. She stayed with mom so I could go sleep but her husband took me home to take a nap. Also. But in two hours he was up and demanded I go back and relieve my sis. My husband told him to leave me alone cause I hadn’t been home to sleep in five days but no he wouldn’t hear off it. So rush back we did and they left me with mom to go get breakfast! It didn’t matter I hadn’t had a full meal in days. But before they got back one of the nurses brought me a cup of coffee and a biscuit with sausage. She’d ordered it up on mom’s ticket. They sa me eating and said, “ Oh? You hadn’t breakfast yet?” How stupid. They’d come in at 2am and we left and got back at 6 am! Mom’s temperature went up over 104 degrees so they put cooling blanket under her and I bathed her with tepid alcohol water. For over 3 hours until we got the temp down to 101defrees because it caused her pain to be unbearable! My sis got up the last hour and helped bathe her. These are hard lined professing people! My husband was very offended at them, my sis would not have come at all if our aunt had not told her she just had to get down here to help me. So she essentially was at mom’s bedside from 2am to about 2:45pm the same day. To say the least, if not for my peers the nurses on that floor I’d been in a lot worse shape after mom died! I’d worked the first 3 days of her hospitalization but when she went into a coma I stayed with her night and day. True, workers were not exactly in the city but weren’t so far away about 59-75 miles if I remember right! Friends here and there.
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Post by snow on Oct 26, 2019 13:28:52 GMT -5
Well I think it's safe to say there will always be those who are far more critical of anyone leaving. At least that was my experience. But I also had really good people that stuck by me, included me in things etc. I think over time they realized it wasn't them I was rejecting because throughout life while my parents were still alive and I had contact with the friends, many seemed to come around and were quite friendly. At my parents funerals I was treated with upmost respect and how much of that was for my parents I don't know, but I had no complaints whatsoever about how I was received at either funeral and I was asked by the workers to have some input into what they said at their funerals. I also spent the last night by my mom's bedside and one of the younger workers came in to see mom and when he saw me sitting in a wooden chair he asked if I was spending the night in that. I said yes, I was staying. He went away and came back carrying a recliner and set it there for me so I would be more comfortable. So my experience after I left home was quite different than when I was still at home. It was quite tough while I still lived at home, and after that I had a good relationship with many. The friends helped me clean out my parents home and so many more really helpful things that I appreciated so much. Your parents were still professing? Though mom was professing the workers didn’t avail themselves to see how I was doing at all! They slipped in to see her early in admission to hospital, but after she went into a coma I didn’t see hide nor hair. My professing sister came the very last day she lived very huffily and begrudgingly. She stayed with mom so I could go sleep but her husband took me home to take a nap. Also. But in two hours he was up and demanded I go back and relieve my sis. My husband told him to leave me alone cause I hadn’t been home to sleep in five days but no he wouldn’t hear off it. So rush back we did and they left me with mom to go get breakfast! It didn’t matter I hadn’t had a full meal in days. But before they got back one of the nurses brought me a cup of coffee and a biscuit with sausage. She’d ordered it up on mom’s ticket. They sa me eating and said, “ Oh? You hadn’t breakfast yet?” How stupid. They’d come in at 2am and we left and got back at 6 am! Mom’s temperature went up over 104 degrees so they put cooling blanket under her and I bathed her with tepid alcohol water. For over 3 hours until we got the temp down to 101defrees because it caused her pain to be unbearable! My sis got up the last hour and helped bathe her. These are hard lined professing people! My husband was very offended at them, my sis would not have come at all if our aunt had not told her she just had to get down here to help me. So she essentially was at mom’s bedside from 2am to about 2:45pm the same day. To say the least, if not for my peers the nurses on that floor I’d been in a lot worse shape after mom died! I’d worked the first 3 days of her hospitalization but when she went into a coma I stayed with her night and day. True, workers were not exactly in the city but weren’t so far away about 59-75 miles if I remember right! Friends here and there. Wow, such a different experience you had from me. Yes my parents professed up until their deaths. When I visited some of the friends would make the effort to come by the house and say hi to me. A couple of elderly ladies like to give money to my kids. They even invited me to pot luck suppers in the park if they found out I was in town and my parents were too elderly to attend. I always enjoyed that.
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