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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 10, 2018 23:21:14 GMT -5
True, -reflection is one of the main differences between ourselves & lower animals.
It was when our brains evolved to the point that we could "reflect" on and remember our past that we could begin to ruminate on our present position and from that extrapolate what might happen in the future.
The big difference is the capacity to be rational.
Rationality is the main asset that sets us apart.
We have the capacity to think, -to investigate our surroundings, -to reason & try control our in environment.
But we think that being rational is the "holy spirit" and was instilled in mankind by some deity, -at what particular time in mankind's evolution do you think that "god" did it?
I don't think evolution is really evolution. It only appears to be. There's more meaning in the allegorical event that 'god created them male and female' than anything Darwin observed or conjectured. I think he was aware people would run away with his observations, and conclude more than was merited from them, absolutely and metaphysically, about the origins of the species. That is wishful thinking on your part and has no scientific basis. There is huge amounts of evidence about evolution. Check out the next turkey or chicken you eat.
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Post by Lee on Dec 11, 2018 0:13:17 GMT -5
You mean it has no physically empirical basis. Right. It's us theists and Christians who are actually doing science. We don't suppose the only things we see are the only things that exist. It's a question of ego. Are you your ego, or should your ego defer to a conceptual greater?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 11, 2018 0:28:36 GMT -5
You mean it has no physically empirical basis. Right. It's us theists and Christians who are actually doing science. We don't suppose the only things we see are the only things that exist. It's a question of ego. Are you your ego, or should your ego defer to a conceptual greater? Your writings mirror your confusion.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2018 2:21:09 GMT -5
Well, people have been trying to find a utopia for a long time and so far believing in a "god" and allowing "religious belief" to control our lives hasn't helped any.
In fact, such a belief has often been a horrible plague on mankind's existence, let alone any ability to progress!
It wasn't until we were able to leave behind the shackles of religion and god and instead concentrate on what would be better for MANKIND that we have prospered to the point that we have.
Notice in our Preamble to U.S. Constitution it is the PEOPLE that we are caring about, -not some farfetched deity that has so far not been seen as caring much.
Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
That was your reaction to religion. Yes, it is, -so what makes YOUR belief any better?
What do YOU accredit for the progress that we have made for the betterment of mankind?
We have certainly improved life for the average citizen since the age of enlightenment, also know as the age of Reason. The use of reason helped to obtain truth about the whole of reality instead the cloying tangles of religion pursuing our every step.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2018 2:36:03 GMT -5
Yes, Lee, -we are aware that you have a (medical ) condition called "diabetes."
BUT NO, you ARE NOT able to just "suck it up" in order to handle your diabetes!
You probably wouldn't even have lived this long had you lived before 1920 and didn't have INSULIN! Taking insulin means that you aren't having to "suck it up!"
Had there not been a couple of doctors, -Frederick Banting and Charles Best, -who were able to create insulin in 1924, you wouldn't be here. Before then diabetes was a death sentence.
So how dare you be so damned sanctimonious about other peoples "conditions" and tell them to just "Suck it up! Nurse Rachet, in the flesh. The pangender movement has gone to far. I was getting pre-qualified for a home loan several weeks ago. At the end of our interview I was asked, do I identify bas a male, this after I'd pretty much given her the resume of my life. She said she had to ask me that lest she get into trouble with the law. I suppose there'll be a day when teachers are required to ask their four and five years old how do you identify. Wouldn't want to assume anything. That evil Christian religion might have labeled some child. It's up to state run education to level everything. Sexual distinction be damned, as if kids should be burdened with this. Fools, the moderns are. Nurse Mildred Ratched (also known as "Big Nurse") is a fictional character and the main antagonist of Ken Kesey's 1962 novel One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest as well as the 1975 film.
A cold, heartless, and passive-aggressive tyrant, Nurse Ratched became the stereotype of the nurse as a battleaxe. She has also become a popular metaphor for the corrupting influence of power and authority in bureaucracies such as the mental institution in which the novel is set. Lee, do you know that I AM a nurse? A Registered Nurse in the state of Illinois since 1953.
Now, -can you tell me just why you think that I fit the description of "Nurse Rachet" in the flesh? "A cold, heartless, and passive-aggressive tyrant?"
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2018 4:02:12 GMT -5
. True, -reflection is one of the main differences between ourselves & lower animals.
It was when our brains evolved to the point that we could "reflect" on and remember our past that we could begin to ruminate on our present position and from that extrapolate what might happen in the future.
The big difference is the capacity to be rational.
Rationality is the main asset that sets us apart.
We have the capacity to think, -to investigate our surroundings, -to reason & try control our in environment.
But we think that being rational is the "holy spirit" and was instilled in mankind by some deity, -at what particular time in mankind's evolution do you think that "god" did it?
I don't think evolution is really evolution. It only appears to be. There's more meaning in the allegorical event that 'god created them male and female' than anything Darwin observed or conjectured. I think he was aware people would run away with his observations, and conclude more than was merited from them, absolutely and metaphysically, about the origins of the species. It is obvious that you have not studied much about the Evolution of Life.
Also your "allegorical event that 'god created them male and female' idea doesn't hold up though out all species of life, -not even human life.newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/male-or-female Male or female? It's not always so simple
UCLA researchers are studying the biological origins of sexual orientation and gender identity Veronica Meade-Kelly | August 20, 2015
“It’s not just black or white” is an adage heard so often that it borders on cliché. It underscores life’s complexities; wherever a gray area exists between two opposing endpoints, it asks us to consider the diverse realities and experiences that make life both more interesting yet harder to comprehend.
When it comes to sex and gender, that “gray area” remains murky and mysterious — often undiscussed and even taboo. At UCLA, however, and elsewhere in the small but growing field of sex and gender biology, science is shedding light on this unfamiliar terrain.
People often are unaware of the biological complexity of sex and gender, says Dr. Eric Vilain, director of the Center for Gender-Based Biology at UCLA, where he studies the genetics of sexual development and sex differences. “People tend to define sex in a binary way — either wholly male or wholly female — based on physical appearance or by which sex chromosomes an individual carries. But while sex and gender may seem dichotomous, there are in reality many intermediates.”
Understanding this complexity is critical; misperceptions can affect the health and civil liberties of those who fall outside perceived societal norms, Dr. Vilain says. “Society has categorical views on what should define sex and gender, but the biological reality is just not there to support that.”
Even at the most basic physical level, there is a spectrum between male and female that often goes unrecognized and risks being obscured by stigma. Among his many lines of research, Dr. Vilain studies differences and disorders of sex development (DSDs), an umbrella term that encompasses genetic variation and developmental differences of “intersex” individuals — those whose physical characteristics are not completely male or female but somewhere in between.
This includes genetic variations in the complement of sex chromosomes — for example, a mix of XX (female) and XY (male) sex chromosomes in the same body, or an extra or missing sex chromosome.
DSDs also include variations in the development of the genitals or the gonads. Individuals can be born with both testicular and ovarian gonadal tissue or with ambiguous genitalia.
cont. @ newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/male-or-female
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2018 4:06:10 GMT -5
You mean it has no physically empirical basis. Right. It's us theists and Christians who are actually doing science. We don't suppose the only things we see are the only things that exist. It's a question of ego. Are you your ego, or should your ego defer to a conceptual greater? "It's us theists and Christians who are actually doing science?"
You are joking? -Surely!
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Post by Lee on Dec 11, 2018 14:47:40 GMT -5
Surely science wouldn't rule out an unperceived influence over emiricalism. If it did, it wouldn't be science, but a religion.
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Post by Lee on Dec 11, 2018 14:51:46 GMT -5
. I don't think evolution is really evolution. It only appears to be. There's more meaning in the allegorical event that 'god created them male and female' than anything Darwin observed or conjectured. I think he was aware people would run away with his observations, and conclude more than was merited from them, absolutely and metaphysically, about the origins of the species. It is obvious that you have not studied much about the Evolution of Life.
Also your "allegorical event that 'god created them male and female' idea doesn't hold up though out all species of life, -not even human life.newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/male-or-female Male or female? It's not always so simple
UCLA researchers are studying the biological origins of sexual orientation and gender identity Veronica Meade-Kelly | August 20, 2015
“It’s not just black or white” is an adage heard so often that it borders on cliché. It underscores life’s complexities; wherever a gray area exists between two opposing endpoints, it asks us to consider the diverse realities and experiences that make life both more interesting yet harder to comprehend.
When it comes to sex and gender, that “gray area” remains murky and mysterious — often undiscussed and even taboo. At UCLA, however, and elsewhere in the small but growing field of sex and gender biology, science is shedding light on this unfamiliar terrain.
People often are unaware of the biological complexity of sex and gender, says Dr. Eric Vilain, director of the Center for Gender-Based Biology at UCLA, where he studies the genetics of sexual development and sex differences. “People tend to define sex in a binary way — either wholly male or wholly female — based on physical appearance or by which sex chromosomes an individual carries. But while sex and gender may seem dichotomous, there are in reality many intermediates.”
Understanding this complexity is critical; misperceptions can affect the health and civil liberties of those who fall outside perceived societal norms, Dr. Vilain says. “Society has categorical views on what should define sex and gender, but the biological reality is just not there to support that.”
Even at the most basic physical level, there is a spectrum between male and female that often goes unrecognized and risks being obscured by stigma. Among his many lines of research, Dr. Vilain studies differences and disorders of sex development (DSDs), an umbrella term that encompasses genetic variation and developmental differences of “intersex” individuals — those whose physical characteristics are not completely male or female but somewhere in between.
This includes genetic variations in the complement of sex chromosomes — for example, a mix of XX (female) and XY (male) sex chromosomes in the same body, or an extra or missing sex chromosome.
DSDs also include variations in the development of the genitals or the gonads. Individuals can be born with both testicular and ovarian gonadal tissue or with ambiguous genitalia.
cont. @ newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/male-or-female
I rest my case. Our sex should be identified by our anatomies. If you have a sexual-cognitive or sexual anatomical dissonance condition, it behooves you to defer to the ideal of the man, the woman, and their reproductive relationship to one another.
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Post by Lee on Dec 11, 2018 14:56:54 GMT -5
Nurse Rachet, in the flesh. The pangender movement has gone to far. I was getting pre-qualified for a home loan several weeks ago. At the end of our interview I was asked, do I identify bas a male, this after I'd pretty much given her the resume of my life. She said she had to ask me that lest she get into trouble with the law. I suppose there'll be a day when teachers are required to ask their four and five years old how do you identify. Wouldn't want to assume anything. That evil Christian religion might have labeled some child. It's up to state run education to level everything. Sexual distinction be damned, as if kids should be burdened with this. Fools, the moderns are. Nurse Mildred Ratched (also known as "Big Nurse") is a fictional character and the main antagonist of Ken Kesey's 1962 novel One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest as well as the 1975 film.
A cold, heartless, and passive-aggressive tyrant, Nurse Ratched became the stereotype of the nurse as a battleaxe. She has also become a popular metaphor for the corrupting influence of power and authority in bureaucracies such as the mental institution in which the novel is set. Lee, do you know that I AM a nurse? A Registered Nurse in the state of Illinois since 1953.
Now, -can you tell me just why you think that I fit the description of "Nurse Rachet" in the flesh? "A cold, heartless, and passive-aggressive tyrant?"
If I were your patient I'd give you a ration of sh-, if you treated my diabetic condition like it was strictly a physical condition over which you the zoo keeper-atheist nurse had acquired mastery over.
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Post by rational on Dec 11, 2018 22:46:14 GMT -5
Nurse Rachet, in the flesh. The pangender movement has gone to far. I was getting pre-qualified for a home loan several weeks ago. At the end of our interview I was asked, do I identify bas a male, this after I'd pretty much given her the resume of my life. She said she had to ask me that lest she get into trouble with the law. I suppose there'll be a day when teachers are required to ask their four and five years old how do you identify. Wouldn't want to assume anything. That evil Christian religion might have labeled some child. It's up to state run education to level everything. Do you think the acceptance of people with different sexual identities is based on their belief/non-belief in a paranormal being? Much better than being burdened with the possibility of eternal damnation.
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Post by Lee on Dec 12, 2018 0:07:51 GMT -5
Reactionary much? You like your reaction rebellion very much. No need to be a fool though.
Atheist evolutionists are fools. A city might crowd up to two billion. Half of them will die to pollution. The atheist evolutionist will concur naturalism is working right on spot.
Fools, you are.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 12, 2018 1:22:07 GMT -5
Reactionary much? You like your reaction rebellion very much. No need to be a fool though. Atheist evolutionists are fools. A city might crowd up to two billion. Half of them will die to pollution. The atheist evolutionist will concur naturalism is working right on spot. Fools, you are. That's alright Lee, you can call people names if it makes you happy and you feel better.
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Post by Lee on Dec 12, 2018 1:25:51 GMT -5
I wasn't calling you all names. I was describing.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 12, 2018 4:38:12 GMT -5
Nurse Mildred Ratched (also known as "Big Nurse") is a fictional character and the main antagonist of Ken Kesey's 1962 novel One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest as well as the 1975 film.
A cold, heartless, and passive-aggressive tyrant, Nurse Ratched became the stereotype of the nurse as a battleaxe. She has also become a popular metaphor for the corrupting influence of power and authority in bureaucracies such as the mental institution in which the novel is set. Lee, do you know that I AM a nurse? A Registered Nurse in the state of Illinois since 1953.
Now, -can you tell me just why you think that I fit the description of "Nurse Rachet" in the flesh? "A cold, heartless, and passive-aggressive tyrant?"
If I were your patient I'd give you a ration of sh-, if you treated my diabetic condition like it was strictly a physical condition over which you the zoo keeper-atheist nurse had acquired mastery over. Back to only ad hominems again are we?
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 12, 2018 4:43:42 GMT -5
. It is obvious that you have not studied much about the Evolution of Life.
Also your "allegorical event that 'god created them male and female' idea doesn't hold up though out all species of life, -not even human life.newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/male-or-female Male or female? It's not always so simple
UCLA researchers are studying the biological origins of sexual orientation and gender identity Veronica Meade-Kelly | August 20, 2015
“It’s not just black or white” is an adage heard so often that it borders on cliché. It underscores life’s complexities; wherever a gray area exists between two opposing endpoints, it asks us to consider the diverse realities and experiences that make life both more interesting yet harder to comprehend.
When it comes to sex and gender, that “gray area” remains murky and mysterious — often undiscussed and even taboo. At UCLA, however, and elsewhere in the small but growing field of sex and gender biology, science is shedding light on this unfamiliar terrain.
People often are unaware of the biological complexity of sex and gender, says Dr. Eric Vilain, director of the Center for Gender-Based Biology at UCLA, where he studies the genetics of sexual development and sex differences. “People tend to define sex in a binary way — either wholly male or wholly female — based on physical appearance or by which sex chromosomes an individual carries. But while sex and gender may seem dichotomous, there are in reality many intermediates.”
Understanding this complexity is critical; misperceptions can affect the health and civil liberties of those who fall outside perceived societal norms, Dr. Vilain says. “Society has categorical views on what should define sex and gender, but the biological reality is just not there to support that.”
Even at the most basic physical level, there is a spectrum between male and female that often goes unrecognized and risks being obscured by stigma. Among his many lines of research, Dr. Vilain studies differences and disorders of sex development (DSDs), an umbrella term that encompasses genetic variation and developmental differences of “intersex” individuals — those whose physical characteristics are not completely male or female but somewhere in between.
This includes genetic variations in the complement of sex chromosomes — for example, a mix of XX (female) and XY (male) sex chromosomes in the same body, or an extra or missing sex chromosome.
DSDs also include variations in the development of the genitals or the gonads. Individuals can be born with both testicular and ovarian gonadal tissue or with ambiguous genitalia.
cont. @ newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/male-or-female
I rest my case. Our sex should be identified by our anatomies. If you have a sexual-cognitive or sexual anatomical dissonance condition, it behooves you to defer to the ideal of the man, the woman, and their reproductive relationship to one another. Y es Sir! Absolutely, Sir! Yes sir, professor of all knowledge in every field of science! Sir! ~heel click~
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 12, 2018 4:47:42 GMT -5
I wasn't calling you all names. I was describing. Bah! Humbug! Calling someone a "fool" is not calling the names? What dictionary are you using?
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 12, 2018 4:51:14 GMT -5
Surely science wouldn't rule out an unperceived influence over emiricalism. If it did, it wouldn't be science, but a religion. You haven't even spelled it correctly.
There is no such word.
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Post by Grant on Dec 12, 2018 13:08:56 GMT -5
Dmmg wrote:
Lee, do you know that I AM a nurse? A Registered Nurse in the state of Illinois since 1953.
Now, -can you tell me just why you think that I fit the description of "Nurse Rachet" in the flesh?
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Dmmg, are you still working? I know of people in the health field who are in their 80s and still working.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 12, 2018 15:17:01 GMT -5
Dmmg wrote: Lee, do you know that I AM a nurse? A Registered Nurse in the state of Illinois since 1953.
Now, -can you tell me just why you think that I fit the description of "Nurse Rachet" in the flesh?
[/i][/b] Dmmg, are you still working? I know of people in the health field who are in their 80s and still working. [/quote] No, I am not still working, -but once a nurse, always a nurse. In Illinois -you are kept on the list as a RN (Registered Nurse)-registered but retired.
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Post by rational on Dec 12, 2018 21:50:20 GMT -5
I rest my case. Our sex should be identified by our anatomies. If you have a sexual-cognitive or sexual anatomical dissonance condition, it behooves you to defer to the ideal of the man, the woman, and their reproductive relationship to one another. While at first glance this is a wonderful word salad a closer look reveals it has the content of a leaf of iceberg lettuce. Given that people can be born with male, female, or some combination of sexual organs it is obvious that they can also be born with male, female, or a combination of both psychological attributes. The black and white world you crave is filled with many shades of grey and, at times, brilliant colors. Why should an individual need to be recolored. I find it interesting that those who are most opposed to a woman retaining her right to terminate a pregnancy and voice their opposition to most abortions are the first to turn their backs on the individuals that to not fit their ideal of what an individual should be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 23:20:16 GMT -5
I rest my case. Our sex should be identified by our anatomies. If you have a sexual-cognitive or sexual anatomical dissonance condition, it behooves you to defer to the ideal of the man, the woman, and their reproductive relationship to one another. While at first glance this is a wonderful word salad a closer look reveals it has the content of a leaf of iceberg lettuce. Given that people can be born with male, female, or some combination of sexual organs it is obvious that they can also be born with male, female, or a combination of both psychological attributes. The black and white world you crave is filled with many shades of grey and, at times, brilliant colors. Why should an individual need to be recolored. I find it interesting that those who are most opposed to a woman retaining her right to terminate a pregnancy and voice their opposition to most abortions are the first to turn their backs on the individuals that to not fit their ideal of what an individual should be. the right to life should extend to everyone but once your 18 who you are and what you do has consequences...choose wisely....
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Post by rational on Dec 13, 2018 10:21:31 GMT -5
While at first glance this is a wonderful word salad a closer look reveals it has the content of a leaf of iceberg lettuce. Given that people can be born with male, female, or some combination of sexual organs it is obvious that they can also be born with male, female, or a combination of both psychological attributes. The black and white world you crave is filled with many shades of grey and, at times, brilliant colors. Why should an individual need to be recolored. I find it interesting that those who are most opposed to a woman retaining her right to terminate a pregnancy and voice their opposition to most abortions are the first to turn their backs on the individuals that to not fit their ideal of what an individual should be. the right to life should extend to everyone but once your 18 who you are and what you do has consequences...choose wisely.... You need to brush up on you law. Acts committed prior to the magical age of 18 also have consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 15:31:10 GMT -5
the right to life should extend to everyone but once your 18 who you are and what you do has consequences...choose wisely.... You need to brush up on you law. Acts committed prior to the magical age of 18 also have consequences. before 18 its a slap on the wrist and time in juvy its after 18 when the real hard time occurs...you might want to update your knowledge of law....
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 13, 2018 17:17:11 GMT -5
You need to brush up on you law. Acts committed prior to the magical age of 18 also have consequences. before 18 its a slap on the wrist and time in juvy its after 18 when the real hard time occurs...you might want to update your knowledge of law.... "slap on the wrist ?"
Perhaps it is you, wally, -who should learn a bit more about juveniles in prison. Juvenile Solitary Confinement as a Form of Child Abuse Andrew B. Clark Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law Online September 2017, 45 (3) 350-357; Abstract Placing incarcerated juveniles into solitary confinement continues to occur in certain states of the United States, despite the accumulating evidence that it may cause substantial psychological damage to the teenagers who must endure it. The practice has been widely condemned by professional and human rights organizations, amid a growing appreciation of the immaturity and vulnerability of the adolescent brain.
cont. @ jaapl.org/content/45/3/350
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 20:08:49 GMT -5
before 18 its a slap on the wrist and time in juvy its after 18 when the real hard time occurs...you might want to update your knowledge of law.... "slap on the wrist ?"
Perhaps it is you, wally, -who should learn a bit more about juveniles in prison. Juvenile Solitary Confinement as a Form of Child Abuse Andrew B. Clark Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law Online September 2017, 45 (3) 350-357; Abstract Placing incarcerated juveniles into solitary confinement continues to occur in certain states of the United States, despite the accumulating evidence that it may cause substantial psychological damage to the teenagers who must endure it. The practice has been widely condemned by professional and human rights organizations, amid a growing appreciation of the immaturity and vulnerability of the adolescent brain.
cont. @ jaapl.org/content/45/3/350
not every kid goes into solitary...
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Post by rational on Dec 13, 2018 23:15:14 GMT -5
You need to brush up on you law. Acts committed prior to the magical age of 18 also have consequences. before 18 its a slap on the wrist and time in juvy its after 18 when the real hard time occurs...you might want to update your knowledge of law.... Really? 41 states and the District of Columbia) define age 17 as the highest age that an individual can have a case originate in juvenile court. Seven states use age 16 as the upper age for juvenile court jurisdiction. Two states use age 15 as the upper age of majority for juvenile court. In these states, if a person is above the ages listed and are charged with any criminal offense they are tried as adults, that is, the case is originated and tried in adult criminal court. Hard time comes when charged with a criminal offense when the person is at or above the upper age of majority. The proceedings is sometimes referred to as a direct filing. When a 16 year old is sent to prison for 10 years it is more than a slap on the wrist. It is not like it hasn't been in the news. Cyntoia Brown was 16 when she was convicted in 2006 and sentenced to life in prison. Quite the slap on the wrist. Perhaps you should take your own advice and "...you might want to update your knowledge of law...".
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 14, 2018 0:33:01 GMT -5
You mean it has no physically empirical basis. Right. It's us theists and Christians who are actually doing science. We don't suppose the only things we see are the only things that exist. It's a question of ego. Are you your ego, or should your ego defer to a conceptual greater? If the goatherders guide to the galaxy is the result of your research then there is absolutely no hope for humanity. It is a cracker example of the blind leading the blind.
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