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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 21:48:39 GMT -5
Are our choices moral or immoral? Choices, an extension of thoughts, are neither moral nor immoral. isn't that what psychopaths think? nothing is moral or immoral? amoral is the word i believe...
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Post by Lee on Dec 17, 2018 21:53:48 GMT -5
That our choices don't matter, is an anti social thing. Social things know choices matter.
They're my kind of women.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 17, 2018 23:20:50 GMT -5
A neurotic is a man who builds a castle in the air. A psychotic is the man who lives in it. A psychiatrist is the man who collects the rent. Thats a good quote for a zookeepeer. Jesus wasn't a zookeepeer. Jesus chose to empathise with our conditions. I'm a Jesus fan. How about you? I surmised that you are a Jesus fan, Lee.
But who is your zookeepeer?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 17, 2018 23:33:23 GMT -5
A neurotic is a man who builds a castle in the air. A psychotic is the man who lives in it. A psychiatrist is the man who collects the rent. Thats a good quote for a zookeepeer. Jesus wasn't a zookeepeer. Jesus chose to empathise with our conditions. I'm a Jesus fan. How about you? Jesus was a trick cyclist.
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Post by Lee on Dec 17, 2018 23:37:14 GMT -5
He healed people but he didn't heal everyone. The healing he did was more sign than commodity.
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Post by Lee on Dec 17, 2018 23:37:36 GMT -5
A neurotic is a man who builds a castle in the air. A psychotic is the man who lives in it. A psychiatrist is the man who collects the rent. Thats a good quote for a zookeepeer. Jesus wasn't a zookeepeer. Jesus chose to empathise with our conditions. I'm a Jesus fan. How about you? I surmised that you are a Jesus fan, Lee.
But who is your zookeepeer?<I have none. Theres that thing about freewill. Only god could express freewill, deliquents we are.... idolaters were are...idealists we are....in a poetic fashion.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 17, 2018 23:39:15 GMT -5
He healed people but he didn't heal everyone. The healing he did was more sign than commodity. Did you mean comedy?
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Post by Lee on Dec 17, 2018 23:40:46 GMT -5
Not at all. We need good news people. Why are you a bad news person?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 17, 2018 23:50:04 GMT -5
Comedy is good news. Except if it's USA comedy. It always seems a bit laugh when they tell you to type comedy.
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Post by Lee on Dec 18, 2018 0:15:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you're meaning.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 18, 2018 4:11:04 GMT -5
I surmised that you are a Jesus fan, Lee.
But who is your zookeepeer?< I have none. Theres that thing about freewill. Only god could express freewill, deliquents we are.... idolaters were are...idealists we are....in a poetic fashion. So, Lee you have no zookeepeer" yourself?
Why do you think that other people have a "zookeepeer?"
What are the characteristics of a "zookeepeer?"
What are the characteristics of someone who is being "kept" by a "zookeepeer?"
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 18, 2018 10:34:22 GMT -5
Choices, an extension of thoughts, are neither moral nor immoral. isn't that what psychopaths think? nothing is moral or immoral? amoral is the word i believe... Do psychopaths think about morality or do they just do their evil deeds without thought of what they are doing?
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Post by rational on Dec 18, 2018 14:59:24 GMT -5
Choices, an extension of thoughts, are neither moral nor immoral. isn't that what psychopaths think? nothing is moral or immoral? amoral is the word i believe... No one said nothing is moral or unmoral. Thoughts, ideas, choices, etc. are neither moral nor immoral. If you think about or even decide to kill someone it only becomes immoral when you take action. Since psychopath (or sociopath) is not defined in the current Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders a term to avoid ambiguity might be antisocial personality disorder.
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Post by Lee on Dec 18, 2018 16:12:50 GMT -5
I have none. Theres that thing about freewill. Only god could express freewill, deliquents we are.... idolaters were are...idealists we are....in a poetic fashion. So, Lee you have no zookeepeer" yourself?
Why do you think that other people have a "zookeepeer?"
What are the characteristics of a "zookeepeer?"
What are the characteristics of someone who is being "kept" by a "zookeepeer?"
Zoo keepers are self centric people of varying levels of authority who can't think in stereo. They only listen to the voice inside their own heads: I'm beautiful and forever will be. They exist as opposed to someone intune with multiple voices that resolve to "I'm not especially beautiful lord. Help me Lord, to be more beautiful!"
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 19, 2018 2:56:06 GMT -5
So, Lee you have no zookeepeer" yourself?
Why do you think that other people have a "zookeepeer?"
What are the characteristics of a "zookeepeer?"
What are the characteristics of someone who is being "kept" by a "zookeepeer?"
Zoo keepers are self centric people of varying levels of authority who can't think in stereo. They only listen to the voice inside their own heads: I'm beautiful and forever will be. They exist as opposed to someone intune with multiple voices that resolve to "I'm not especially beautiful lord. Help me Lord, to be more beautiful!" I had thought that you meant by that term Zoo keepers, -that they someone outside of ones self that was pulling the strings to keep the "animals" controlled and in their place.
I thought that people who heard multiple voices had schizophrenia?
Whatever, -it doesn't sound like a mentally healthy person.
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Post by Lee on Dec 20, 2018 13:01:47 GMT -5
By multiple voices I meant a nuanced self concept.
Pharasies don't have one they're too in love with themselves.
The flesh would be a 24 7 pharaisee, it's the oldest religion on Earth.
Eat drink and be merry, he says to himself.
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Post by Lee on Dec 23, 2018 22:26:39 GMT -5
By nature every economy is relative.
If twenty dollars an hour and benefits represents a living wage for an independent adult, why are independent adults habitually working for less? Because the socialistic salvation of government is supposed to supply the difference? And a socialist salvation we shall have.
But what would a real economy look like, where people were paid a living wage by design?
I have nothing against children working for less than it takes to supply their monetary needs, they're children after all. After all theyve benefited from the economic efforts of the fathers and mothers preceding them.
But a society that works old people for less than a subsistence living? That's an evil society. That's human sacrifice. That's child sacrifice. There's a child in every human regardless their age.
Merry Christmas everyone ( for those who're so Satan privileged).
Yeah.. it's a perverse world we're cutting our teeth on.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 23, 2018 22:42:14 GMT -5
By nature every economy is relative. If twenty dollars an hour and benefits represents a living wage for an independent adult, why are independent adults habitually working for less? Because the socialistic salvation of government is supposed to supply the difference? And a socialist salvation we shall have. But what would a real economy look like, where people were paid a living wage by design? I have nothing against children working for less than it takes to supply their monetary needs, they're children after all. After all theyve benefited from the economic efforts of the fathers and mothers preceding them. But a society that works old people for less than a subsistence living? That's an evil society. That's human sacrifice. That's child sacrifice. There's a child in every human regardless they're age. Merry Christmas everyone ( for those who're so Satan privileged). Yeah.. it's a perverse world we're cutting our teeth on. So why are independent adults habitually working for less?
Lee, -what do you believe causes a society to work old people for less than a subsistence living? -
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Post by Lee on Dec 26, 2018 21:35:05 GMT -5
Um..people who don't care?
People don't want to live in a super-responsible state. You'd have to be like dang, did I really pay what my meal was really worth if the people who made it were paid a living wage?
I guess people will live in some manner, in their cars, at their friends, under trees, behind dumpsters... But that's not dignified. You can get arrested for that, it's demoralizing, and it really doesn't help you get a job.
Seems like so called progressive states like California would have a minumum of wage crisis, but in fact homelessness and quasihomelessness is huge here, even in rural communities.
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Post by rational on Dec 27, 2018 17:36:48 GMT -5
Um..people who don't care? People don't want to live in a super-responsible state. You'd have to be like dang, did I really pay what my meal was really worth if the people who made it were paid a living wage? I guess people will live in some manner, in their cars, at their friends, under trees, behind dumpsters... But that's not dignified. You can get arrested for that, it's demoralizing, and it really doesn't help you get a job. Seems like so called progressive states like California would have a minumum of wage crisis, but in fact homelessness and quasihomelessness is huge here, even in rural communities. Have you worked with the homeless a lot?
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Post by Lee on Dec 27, 2018 20:29:27 GMT -5
In the sense of counseling them or helping them tie into support services? Not a lot. My church has a program for the homeless. I volunteered with them a couple years ago.
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Post by Lee on Dec 28, 2018 22:19:52 GMT -5
Moderns tend to associate homelessness with mental illness and malignment. Infact homelessness disproportionately extends from the excessive cost of home rental or ownership, in contrast to wages.
Wages should be tied to age and home ownership.
Don't tell me otherwise. I'm likely to start a new and better movement than MLK.
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Post by rational on Jan 1, 2019 8:32:45 GMT -5
In the sense of counseling them or helping them tie into support services? Not a lot. My church has a program for the homeless. I volunteered with them a couple years ago. What does you church offer the homeless if not a connection to available services or counseling?
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Post by Lee on Jan 1, 2019 22:54:32 GMT -5
My church is pretty much culturally passive. There's a lot of good messaging but the ambient culture pretty much absorbs and neutralizes its influence. It's not the churchs fault. The problem is the worlds a MF.
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Post by Grant on Jan 1, 2019 23:42:39 GMT -5
My church is pretty much culturally passive. There's a lot of good messaging but the ambient culture pretty much absorbs and neutralizes its influence. It's not the churchs fault. The problem is the worlds a MF. Our church has 23 different cultures in it. Many Sunday nights are held by a different cultural group. We also have shared lunches and home groups for those from different cultures. Great way for people to mix and connect with those from their own culture
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 2, 2019 3:33:03 GMT -5
Moderns tend to associate homelessness with mental illness and malignment. Infact homelessness disproportionately extends from the excessive cost of home rental or ownership, in contrast to wages. Wages should be tied to age and home ownership. Don't tell me otherwise. I'm likely to start a new and better movement than MLK. I agree. But you never answered my question.
What do you think is the basic CAUSE of homelessness?
Homelessness is a big problem everywhere, -but why do you blame a progressive political government as the problem?
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Post by Lee on Jan 2, 2019 14:02:08 GMT -5
My concept of heaven is where a symetry exists between people and their desires, their behaviors, and the world they want to live in.
This may take many years of evolution. If there's a parallel universe and an eternality of the souls, it could simply mean dying and waking, or being born again (literally, and most importantly, spiritually).
Socialism is like OT righteousness, whereas it was supposed that perfection could be obtained from the outside in (laws, rules, taxation, Robin Hood).
For all it's good intentions, socialism tends to deincentivize people. It usurps and displaces the soul connection to family and work, and a positive connection with righteousness, as a transcendent proposition.
I don't know of a BASIC cause of homelessness because from mental illness to poor life skills to disasters and the disentigration of the family ideal, each of these are causes.
I'm arguing housing prices are increasingly a factor. My ex and I financed a 3/2 new home for 130k when our son was conceived in 1995. We sold it in 2014 to settle our divorce. Today that home would sell for 300k or more.
In the mean time, my wages have not gone up significantly for the work I do.
I choose to live quasihomeless today, and have the means to do this while employed. It means the privilege of having discretionary income for the purpose of saving, helping my daughter, or spending on the poor. My son's doing quite well in the Navy
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Post by snow on Jan 2, 2019 17:12:48 GMT -5
My church is pretty much culturally passive. There's a lot of good messaging but the ambient culture pretty much absorbs and neutralizes its influence. It's not the churchs fault. The problem is the worlds a MF. Our church has 23 different cultures in it. Many Sunday nights are held by a different cultural group. We also have shared lunches and home groups for those from different cultures. Great way for people to mix and connect with those from their own culture That's nice isn't it. My atheist group is made up of many diverse cultures and we do that too. Have get togethers with a cultural theme sometimes. It's nice to get to know the other cultures better.
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