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Post by sauerkraut on Dec 20, 2018 23:09:35 GMT -5
if you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. that's the best we can expect to happen here and it doesn't matter who puts the lipstick on the pig
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 20, 2018 23:19:00 GMT -5
if you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. that's the best we can expect to happen here and it doesn't matter who puts the lipstick on the pig Considering the 2x2s frown on lipstick I think that the pig will not be wearing lipstick. Perhaps it will get it's hair in a bun.
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Post by magpie1 on Dec 21, 2018 0:06:36 GMT -5
Speak,G'day. The love of Jesus? Love your neighbour as yourself. The poor,homeless,prisoners,persecuted,war torn,raped(in war and domestic/local),(Worker Paedophile) & other paedophiles victims,those suffering injustice,the 2x2 excommunicated & ostracised,incest victims,etc,etc "ARE ALL YOUR NEIGHBOURS,NOT JUST THE GUY OVER THE FENCE. Magpie
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Post by speak on Dec 21, 2018 2:46:57 GMT -5
Speak,G'day. The love of Jesus? Love your neighbour as yourself. The poor,homeless,prisoners,persecuted,war torn,raped(in war and domestic/local),(Worker Paedophile) & other paedophiles victims,those suffering injustice,the 2x2 excommunicated & ostracised,incest victims,etc,etc "ARE ALL YOUR NEIGHBOURS,NOT JUST THE GUY OVER THE FENCE. Magpie So two wrongs make it right aye?
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Post by nathan on Dec 21, 2018 8:55:34 GMT -5
Is there any more info on the Victorian saga? The only additional thing I’ve heard is that Graham Snow, Allan Kitto (NSW Head) and Wayne Dean (South Australian Head) were there. The general view is that David Leitch would not have handed over willingly - hence, other state heads flying into Melbourne. I’ve also heard that Allan Mitchell’s appointment is for a year. There is talk that at the 2020 Australian Workers’ meeting in Sydney (mid January) that the Aussie workers will move towards more of a national structure rather than state-based teams doing their own thing. Numbers of friends are declining quite a bit so sounds logical. That is why they have overseers of overseers in USA and other places... So, they could remove any overseers doing things on their own without agreeing with the rest overseers. Australians workers have been KNOWN for doing their own things (stubborness) for years (partake the emblems at conventions, celebrate X-mas to the fullest with trees and all. ), and couldn't care less what others workers around the world are doing. They don't like to change on CSA, or fit in with the rest of the 2x2s world.
The changes will be good, because the friends in Australia and 2x2s friends around the world want the overseers to handle CSA in better manners by cooperating with the authority and eliminate/or get professional help for the abusers/victims.
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 21, 2018 10:35:38 GMT -5
Democracy would be a better direction , than dictatorship , as it is . Don’t expect dictators to give up their power too easily ,though . “Democracy is a very bad form of government but all the others are so much worse.” May the best man win . Alvin
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Post by openingact34 on Dec 21, 2018 10:52:16 GMT -5
The only additional thing I’ve heard is that Graham Snow, Allan Kitto (NSW Head) and Wayne Dean (South Australian Head) were there. The general view is that David Leitch would not have handed over willingly - hence, other state heads flying into Melbourne. I’ve also heard that Allan Mitchell’s appointment is for a year. There is talk that at the 2020 Australian Workers’ meeting in Sydney (mid January) that the Aussie workers will move towards more of a national structure rather than state-based teams doing their own thing. Numbers of friends are declining quite a bit so sounds logical. That is why they have overseers of overseers in USA and other places... So, they could remove any overseers doing things on their own without agreeing with the rest overseers. Australians workers have been KNOWN for doing their own things (stubborness) for years (partake the emblems at conventions, celebrate X-mas to the fullest with trees and all. ), and couldn't care less what others workers around the world are doing. They don't like to change on CSA, or fit in with the rest of the 2x2s world.
The changes will be good, because the friends in Australia and 2x2s friends around the world want the overseers to handle CSA in better manners by cooperating with the authority and eliminate/or get professional help for the abusers/victims.
The police say that Leitch wore a wire to help gather evidence on a notorious CSA predator in the work. He spoke openly to the press about how he cooperated with the police. www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/friends-and-enemies-truth-and-lies-20130922-2u7t4.htmlThe other overseers may view this as finally getting rid of a rat and restoring a code of silence.
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Post by nathan on Dec 21, 2018 16:12:15 GMT -5
That is why they have overseers of overseers in USA and other places... So, they could remove any overseers doing things on their own without agreeing with the rest overseers. Australians workers have been KNOWN for doing their own things (stubborness) for years (partake the emblems at conventions, celebrate X-mas to the fullest with trees and all. ), and couldn't care less what others workers around the world are doing. They don't like to change on CSA, or fit in with the rest of the 2x2s world.
The changes will be good, because the friends in Australia and 2x2s friends around the world want the overseers to handle CSA in better manners by cooperating with the authority and eliminate/or get professional help for the abusers/victims.
The police say that Leitch wore a wire to help gather evidence on a notorious CSA predator in the work. He spoke openly to the press about how he cooperated with the police. www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/friends-and-enemies-truth-and-lies-20130922-2u7t4.htmlThe other overseers may view this as finally getting rid of a rat and restoring a code of silence. ** Let us hope NOT will be the case or some of these overseers could spent time in jail like JF almost did in USA.
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Post by sauerkraut on Feb 12, 2019 21:23:47 GMT -5
curlywurlysammagee Royal Member **** curlywurlysammagee Avatar Posts: 5,272 4 hours ago BobWilliston likes this QuotelikePost Options Post by curlywurlysammagee on 4 hours ago amica1969 Avatar 14 hours ago amica1969 said: Seems David Leitch and Janette Briggs are to be married. I suppose this is a true story? In NZ workers like Leech would be termed to have a heart problem. ??
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Post by janj on Feb 13, 2019 5:41:24 GMT -5
The only additional thing I’ve heard is that Graham Snow, Allan Kitto (NSW Head) and Wayne Dean (South Australian Head) were there. The general view is that David Leitch would not have handed over willingly - hence, other state heads flying into Melbourne. I’ve also heard that Allan Mitchell’s appointment is for a year. There is talk that at the 2020 Australian Workers’ meeting in Sydney (mid January) that the Aussie workers will move towards more of a national structure rather than state-based teams doing their own thing. Numbers of friends are declining quite a bit so sounds logical. That is why they have overseers of overseers in USA and other places... So, they could remove any overseers doing things on their own without agreeing with the rest overseers. Australians workers have been KNOWN for doing their own things (stubborness) for years (partake the emblems at conventions, celebrate X-mas to the fullest with trees and all. ), and couldn't care less what others workers around the world are doing. They don't like to change on CSA, or fit in with the rest of the 2x2s world.
The changes will be good, because the friends in Australia and 2x2s friends around the world want the overseers to handle CSA in better manners by cooperating with the authority and eliminate/or get professional help for the abusers/victims.
Oh Nathan, they really do need sorting out if they have Christmas trees...that is terrible!!The trouble is they will have to send an American to do that -Graham Snow will be no help. He's a Kiwi so he will have been celebrating Christmas all his life -trees and all!!If an American came they could introduce celebrating Halloween instead. That would be much more acceptable wouldn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 4:29:58 GMT -5
Forget that Graham Snow is the Overseer of Australia. The official advice is that the position of "General Overseer of Australia" does not exist. Oh what a tricky mob that we have to do business with.
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Post by mountain on Feb 15, 2019 4:39:14 GMT -5
Democracy would be a better direction , than dictatorship , as it is . Don’t expect dictators to give up their power too easily ,though . “Democracy is a very bad form of government but all the others are so much worse.” May the best man win . Alvin It was dictatorship which sought to slay the new born Christ, but democracy which crucified him as an adult. Democracy succeeded where dictatorship failed.
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Post by mountain on Feb 15, 2019 4:48:33 GMT -5
Forget that Graham Snow is the Overseer of Australia. The official advice is that the position of "General Overseer of Australia" does not exist. Oh what a tricky mob that we have to do business with. Doth it not say.......'let not the left hand know what the right hand doeth?'
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 5:24:07 GMT -5
Matthew 6:3-4 New International Version (NIV)
3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
That applies to being anonymous when you donate to charity. Don't publicise what you have done.
But it certainly does not apply to the day to day running and organisation of a Church. We know that evasive tactic has been used by the 2x2's since they started 120 years ago. But it is certainly not to their credit.
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Post by mountain on Feb 15, 2019 5:31:59 GMT -5
Matthew 6:3-4 New International Version (NIV) 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. That applies to being anonymous when you donate to charity. Don't publicise what you have done. But it certainly does not apply to the day to day running and organisation of a Church. We know that evasive tactic has been used by the 2x2's since they started 120 years ago. But it is certainly not to their credit. Thou hast answered well my friend. My remark was a deliberate misappropriation of scripture to emphasise your earlier point!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 5:50:38 GMT -5
Thank you Mountain for your support. Very much appreciated.
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Post by fixit on Feb 15, 2019 15:04:13 GMT -5
Forget that Graham Snow is the Overseer of Australia. The official advice is that the position of "General Overseer of Australia" does not exist. Oh what a tricky mob that we have to do business with. Isn't the headquarters in heaven?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 15:44:48 GMT -5
Forget that Graham Snow is the Overseer of Australia. The official advice is that the position of "General Overseer of Australia" does not exist. Oh what a tricky mob that we have to do business with. Isn't the headquarters in heaven? Yes that is their take on it, and allows them to take a no care, no responsibility attitude toward the victims lives that they have ruined, who live on Earth.
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Post by fixit on Feb 15, 2019 17:14:52 GMT -5
I'm not aware of any trail of destruction left behind by Graham Snow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 17:26:43 GMT -5
Who said there was. All ex's are asking is that the Overseers get their head out of the clouds, come down to earth and take care of their responsibilities here and now. They need to be aware of their duty of care toward those who have been hurt by wrongdoings by members of the Church, in the past. And it should make no difference whether they are current or ex members, they all deserve the same level of support.
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Post by fixit on Feb 15, 2019 17:44:19 GMT -5
I have no argument with you Redback, but I'm not sure that I understand how you envisage this should be implemented:
"their duty of care toward those who have been hurt by wrongdoings by members of the Church, in the past".
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 15, 2019 17:55:48 GMT -5
That is why they have overseers of overseers in USA and other places... So, they could remove any overseers doing things on their own without agreeing with the rest overseers. Australians workers have been KNOWN for doing their own things (stubborness) for years (partake the emblems at conventions, celebrate X-mas to the fullest with trees and all. ), and couldn't care less what others workers around the world are doing. They don't like to change on CSA, or fit in with the rest of the 2x2s world.
The changes will be good, because the friends in Australia and 2x2s friends around the world want the overseers to handle CSA in better manners by cooperating with the authority and eliminate/or get professional help for the abusers/victims.
Oh Nathan, they really do need sorting out if they have Christmas trees...that is terrible!!The trouble is they will have to send an American to do that -Graham Snow will be no help. He's a Kiwi so he will have been celebrating Christmas all his life -trees and all!!If an American came they could introduce celebrating Halloween instead. That would be much more acceptable wouldn't it?
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Post by nathan on Feb 15, 2019 18:14:37 GMT -5
Oh Nathan, they really do need sorting out if they have Christmas trees...that is terrible!!The trouble is they will have to send an American to do that -Graham Snow will be no help. He's a Kiwi so he will have been celebrating Christmas all his life -trees and all!!If an American came they could introduce celebrating Halloween instead. That would be much more acceptable wouldn't it? haha NOT... all workers and the friends in USA celebrate Halloween... We just turn off the lights in the house, keep it dark, go to bed early. Once they know the house is dark they don't stop and ask for candies...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 19:08:27 GMT -5
I have no argument with you Redback, but I'm not sure that I understand how you envisage this should be implemented: "their duty of care toward those who have been hurt by wrongdoings by members of the Church, in the past". Make better use of Elders to give pastoral care where needed. There are many capable Elders, have families of their own, better equiped to handle day to day matters. Train them in counselling, so as they become Chaplains in their community where they live full time. Workers are even more itinerant than they used to be. They have found they can fly, so the World is now their stage. Not good for pastoral work, you need some consistency. Let the Workers spend full time on Heavenly business, and the Elders looking after Earthly stuff. Would work much better, the way it does in proper Churches.
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Post by fixit on Feb 15, 2019 21:31:25 GMT -5
How do you define "proper church"?
So overseers would delegate to elders "their duty of care toward those who have been hurt by wrongdoings by members of the Church, in the past"?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 23:05:42 GMT -5
How do you define "proper church"? So overseers would delegate to elders "their duty of care toward those who have been hurt by wrongdoings by members of the Church, in the past"? Proper Churches are established main stream Churches that have proper organisation structures in place. Just stay away from the cultish type ones. You have got it, let Overseers look after the Spiritual. and Elders look after the Natural.
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Post by fixit on Feb 16, 2019 0:33:46 GMT -5
The most main stream and well established church is the Catholic Church.
Is that not a cult?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 1:45:23 GMT -5
The most main stream and well established church is the Catholic Church. Is that not a cult? No. The first Christian Church. Everything else is a breakaway from that.
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