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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 4, 2018 1:19:25 GMT -5
Hi Ross, I cannot see any worker speaking about the abuse and incest. To do so would put his/her head on the block. Even if a group of them do so that would simply result in a mass guillotining. The best result would be if the group splinters into several factions with those that are dissatisfied with the top echelon moving on to do their own thing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 2:13:17 GMT -5
Think about the logistics of getting 157 Workers to Sydney, for a conference. Australia is a vast land, and if they fly, it will be a substantial cost. Maybe somebody should tell Graham Snow about Video Conferencing. Would be far more economical, the way to go nowadays.
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Post by Pragmatic on Nov 4, 2018 3:51:53 GMT -5
If he can effect any changes, then kudos to him, but Robbie Deans couldn’t do it with the Wallabies? Entrenched egos, outsider resentment, unused to being told what to do, resentment of higher authority.....all marks that should be foreign to “humble servants”
Anyway, the heavy hitter has been sent in, so it’s Front Row Seats, and pass the popcorn!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 4, 2018 11:44:45 GMT -5
Think about the logistics of getting 157 Workers to Sydney, for a conference. Australia is a vast land, and if they fly, it will be a substantial cost. Maybe somebody should tell Graham Snow about Video Conferencing. Would be far more economical, the way to go nowadays. They might be enticed with the promise of virgins.
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Post by nathan on Nov 4, 2018 12:08:38 GMT -5
Think about the logistics of getting 157 Workers to Sydney, for a conference. Australia is a vast land, and if they fly, it will be a substantial cost. Maybe somebody should tell Graham Snow about Video Conferencing. Would be far more economical, the way to go nowadays. They might be enticed with the promise of virgins. haha... This is better than SEX. Here is what Jesus has promised the 12 apostles/workers in Matthew 19:27-29 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Paul wrote about the followers of Christ in I Cor. 6:2-3 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
~~ I hope and pray the New Overseer can turn things around encouraging the workers over there to eradicate CSA within the ministry and fellowship by cooperate with the authority so they could help the abusers and victims to get professional help for their bodies, minds, and spirits.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 4, 2018 12:14:51 GMT -5
They might be enticed with the promise of virgins. haha... This is better than SEX. Here is what Jesus has promised the 12 apostles/workers in Matthew 19:27-29 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Paul wrote about the followers of Christ in I Cor. 6:2-3 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
~~ I hope and pray the New Overseer can turn things around encouraging the workers over there to eradicate CSA within the ministry and fellowship by cooperate with the authority so they could help the abusers and victims to get professional help for their bodies, minds, and spirits.
Religion and abuse have one thing in common, power and the abuse of it.
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Post by nathan on Nov 4, 2018 12:21:06 GMT -5
haha... This is better than SEX. Here is what Jesus has promised the 12 apostles/workers in Matthew 19:27-29 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Paul wrote about the followers of Christ in I Cor. 6:2-3 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
~~ I hope and pray the New Overseer can turn things around encouraging the workers over there to eradicate CSA within the ministry and fellowship by cooperate with the authority so they could help the abusers and victims to get professional help for their bodies, minds, and spirits.
Religion and abuse have one thing in common, power and the abuse of it. That is human natures... God is trying to help us to LOVE others than ourselves, and try NOT to ABUSE people for our own personal selfish gain by following the Life of Jesus examples.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 4, 2018 12:38:57 GMT -5
There is plenty of god sanctioned abuse documented in the bible.
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Post by openingact34 on Nov 4, 2018 13:01:29 GMT -5
Australian 2x2's are not used to an Australian Head Worker. They tend not to take too much notice of a local Head Worker, let alone an Australian Head Worker. The eastern states will not take too much notice of a Head Worker from the West and there is a long history of Victoria being quite independent so an "outsider" will not likely have any influence in that state. That is probably the main objective of putting Graham Snow over Australia - to implement the strict hierarchy that is found everywhere else. When Graham Thompson challenged the structure, Graham Snow dropped everything and flew halfway around the world to confront him and try to control the damage. Child sexual abuse and domestic violence are simply not issues that professing people are concerned about. Graham Thompson found zero allies after speaking out publicly, and a young lady who started a worldwide petition discovered that only ex-members would sign it. The hymn aptly summarizes the position of the fellowship: "I will leave it all to Jesus". The changes implemented after Graham Snow consolidates power will probably focus on: 1) Stopping the practice of taking bread and wine at conventions (outside a home). This is a disconnect with the rest of the world that some workers are very distressed about. 2) Reinforcing the standards on hair, dress, and appearance. Some friends from Australia and the US are causing a great deal of controversy when they visit other countries 3) Social media ban for friends and workers. This is starting in other countries like the Phillipines first. But one the overseer reveals, this will eventually go worldwide "We want to be in unity with our brethren around the world in our stand on matters such as this."
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Post by Grant on Nov 4, 2018 13:38:33 GMT -5
If your post is correct, openingact, the workers church is becoming more 'man' controlled, not Christ controlled. A worrying sign in more ways than one.
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Post by nathan on Nov 4, 2018 15:07:01 GMT -5
There is plenty of god sanctioned abuse documented in the bible. Yes, MANY of the killing sanctions by God= the demigods/Nephilim giant race mixed blood of fallen angels and humans, the children of the wicked ones, were GOOD and necessary to SAVE human race from Extinction or ETERNAL damnation. If you were God you would be doing the same thing! to SAVE your own children from extinction.
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Post by nathan on Nov 4, 2018 15:13:08 GMT -5
If your post is correct, openingact, the workers church is becoming more 'man' controlled, not Christ controlled. A worrying sign in more ways than one. The New Testament Church is control by the Holy Spirit and He is in charge, and looked the oversight of things on the earth until Jesus returns as KING of kings and LORD of Lords. Don't worry, things will turn around eventually.... God is purifying the Ministry and His people just like He cleansed the 7 churches in Revelation.
The Fire of God doesn't harm the gold. The gold is NOT afraid of the fire! The Fire purify the gold, and it brings the DROSS, the unclean things to the surface.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 4, 2018 16:17:03 GMT -5
There is plenty of god sanctioned abuse documented in the bible. Yes, MANY of the killing sanctions by God= the demigods/Nephilim giant race mixed blood of fallen angels and humans, the children of the wicked ones, were GOOD and necessary to SAVE human race from Extinction or ETERNAL damnation. If you were God you would be doing the same thing! to SAVE your own children from extinction.Rubbish. It was a bunch of goat herders justifying their murderous actions.
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Post by nathan on Nov 4, 2018 17:15:18 GMT -5
Yes, MANY of the killing sanctions by God= the demigods/Nephilim giant race mixed blood of fallen angels and humans, the children of the wicked ones, were GOOD and necessary to SAVE human race from Extinction or ETERNAL damnation. If you were God you would be doing the same thing! to SAVE your own children from extinction. Rubbish. It was a bunch of goat herders justifying their murderous actions. You atheists don't KNOW everything you know... You think you KNOW from a few verses in the Old Testament Bible, and taken things out of context and you condemn God about it. You atheists will get an earful from God in the day of Judgement like Job and his friends... Job 40: 1-14
Moreover the Lord answered Job, and said, Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.
Then Job answered the Lord, and said, Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.
Then answered the Lord unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me. Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?
Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him? Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty. Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret. Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee.
This was foretold 5000 yrs ago, by Enoch the Great grand father of Noah, Jude 14-15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 17:29:49 GMT -5
Ross I agree with your comments re GS. Over the years a number of Mr. Fixits have come to our great country, to straighten us out. Most have left after a short time, with their tail between their legs. We are a spirited bunch, it comes from our colonial past. We do not put up with crap, and play the game with a straight bat. Ross as you say there are still a few old timers of my vintage who worship Workers and do not see them as human like ourselves. But they are dying out, and the current generation will not fall into line the way we did. And there is no reason why they should, you have to live with the prevailing time. That is the the way it has always been.
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Post by alistairhenderson on Nov 4, 2018 17:53:52 GMT -5
Interesting days,
I have professing members of my own family, particularly nieces and nephews and their partners, who just do their own thing, including telly in the home, the odd beer and wine, off to the movies, wear whatever, and who for the most part see through the one way thing (even though doctrine is not a thing with many of them), and they are very active on social media...
I think if the things listed such as dress and social media are challenged in a significant way, they will lose a lot of young people and possibly their parents. It really will become a 'grey area'
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Post by openingact34 on Nov 4, 2018 20:01:03 GMT -5
Many will be watching with interest how he exercises his leadership of the 2x2 church in Australia. The overseer playbook would say to make some examples by excommunicating a few dissenters and consigning them to hell. Then everyone else will fall in line. I know some think this overseer is more politically sophisticated, but it is hard to bet against what keeps happening in Vietnam, Canada, Sri Lanka, etc.
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Post by openingact34 on Nov 4, 2018 20:10:41 GMT -5
Feedback from those who know him well is quite mixed. He is seen as a good communicator but like all human beings has a fair amount of baggage. His intervention in the Graham Thompson issue indicates that preserving an appearance of unity by removing workers who don't toe the party line is more important than standing up for the vulnerable and abused and dealing with underlying sickness in the 2x2 ministry. Some have expressed disappointment in his lack of willingness to get involved and sort out issues relating to Child Sexual Abuse. This pattern indicates that it is easy for him to get involved in sorting out issues when he wants to, or it is political expedient to do so, but also easy for him to stand back and take no action when that is also convenient. This sermon also provides an interesting benchmark for how things might be handled.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 20:13:30 GMT -5
Feedback from those who know him well is quite mixed. He is seen as a good communicator but like all human beings has a fair amount of baggage. His intervention in the Graham Thompson issue indicates that preserving an appearance of unity by removing workers who don't toe the party line is more important than standing up for the vulnerable and abused and dealing with underlying sickness in the 2x2 ministry. Some have expressed disappointment in his lack of willingness to get involved and sort out issues relating to Child Sexual Abuse. This pattern indicates that it is easy for him to get involved in sorting out issues when he wants to, or it is political expedient to do so, but also easy for him to stand back and take no action when that is also convenient. This sermon also provides an interesting benchmark for how things might be handled. life is about choices and consequences becareful how you choose it might affect others....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 20:37:16 GMT -5
If GS tries to push the line that victims should just suffer injustice, he will soon find out that the Australian Government will not accept it. The Government is stepping in and making sure that the Church can no longer protect unjust persons within its ranks. Those who try to practice that will also be locked up.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 4, 2018 20:40:54 GMT -5
Ross I agree with your comments re GS. Over the years a number of Mr. Fixits have come to our great country, to straighten us out. Most have left after a short time, with their tail between their legs. We are a spirited bunch, it comes from our colonial past. We do not put up with crap, and play the game with a straight bat. Ross as you say there are still a few old timers of my vintage who worship Workers and do not see them as human like ourselves. But they are dying out, and the current generation will not fall into line the way we did. And there is no reason why they should, you have to live with the prevailing time. That is the the way it has always been. Sounds like there is a few players on the team with some sandpaper in their pocket.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 20:47:34 GMT -5
Curly, some of us use an angle grinder instead of sandpaper.
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Post by Pragmatic on Nov 4, 2018 20:57:32 GMT -5
Feedback from those who know him well is quite mixed. He is seen as a good communicator but like all human beings has a fair amount of baggage. His intervention in the Graham Thompson issue indicates that preserving an appearance of unity by removing workers who don't toe the party line is more important than standing up for the vulnerable and abused and dealing with underlying sickness in the 2x2 ministry. Some have expressed disappointment in his lack of willingness to get involved and sort out issues relating to Child Sexual Abuse. This pattern indicates that it is easy for him to get involved in sorting out issues when he wants to, or it is political expedient to do so, but also easy for him to stand back and take no action when that is also convenient. This sermon also provides an interesting benchmark for how things might be handled. If he starts trotting this stuff out, he will become unglued very quickly.
Leity are not called to do what Jesus did, otherwise, there would have been no need for him to do what he did. Leity have every right to want Justice to not only be done, but seen to be done. To think otherwise is to give license to anyone to perpetrate and/or commit acts that are not just. Simple.
And this sort of stuff does not need Bible based stuff to back it up, just an IQ greater than 70!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 23:06:26 GMT -5
Spot on Pragmatic. Just nonsense to say a person must suffer an injustice. The law of the land does not accept that, nor should it.
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Post by alistairhenderson on Nov 4, 2018 23:18:49 GMT -5
I still maintain that we may see a massive 'Snow' job!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 4, 2018 23:42:43 GMT -5
Curly, some of us use an angle grinder instead of sandpaper. That's just not cricket.
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Post by openingact34 on Nov 5, 2018 0:06:29 GMT -5
This sermon also provides an interesting benchmark for how things might be handled. If he starts trotting this stuff out, he will become unglued very quickly.
Leity are not called to do what Jesus did, otherwise, there would have been no need for him to do what he did. Leity have every right to want Justice to not only be done, but seen to be done. To think otherwise is to give license to anyone to perpetrate and/or commit acts that are not just. Simple.
And this sort of stuff does not need Bible based stuff to back it up, just an IQ greater than 70!
There is a convention gem in there somewhere...."False religions need people with IQs over 70. God's people just need to be willing forgive a child predator 70 times 7."
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Post by speak on Nov 5, 2018 0:20:24 GMT -5
If your post is correct, openingact, the workers church is becoming more 'man' controlled, not Christ controlled. A worrying sign in more ways than one. How would you know you are not even there.
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